EDGE: MGS4 Review 8/10 (Scans)

Click below for scans of EDGE's controversial 8/10 review of Metal Gear Solid 4. Page 1 is linked and Page 2 has been added as an alternative source.

[pharmd]

wow.... and they gave GTA4 a 10/10?

are you kidding me?

[Violater]

wow just wow, thats it I'm out before the sh!tstorm starts.

[el_bandito]

Bad reviews, low scores, or whatsoever. They won't stop me from getting the game day 1.

[Time Lord]

Bishock and gear of war got 8, Mario Kart got SIXfrom Edge! So to fan this mean jack S..t

[Fishy Fingers]

To everyone says... "they gave GTA 10/10 ZOMG!!!" Remember that they have played both GTA and MGS, have you?

While I'm super hyped for MGS, slagging off a reviewer that's played the game when you have NOT is ridiculous.

It's opinion... nothing more.

[CrazzyMan]

Eurogamer:
MGS4 - 8
GRID - 9
EDGE:
MGS4 - 8
GRID - 9

GRID brings more to a genre, then MGS4? LOL.

THEY, PROBABLY, JUST DON`T LIKE MGS.
MGS 2 - 8
MGS 3 - 8
MGS THE TWIN SNAKES - 7

[pharmd]

yeah, you make a good point, my whole thing is... i didnt think GTA4 deserved a 10/10 so....

a. i question their cred as compared to my own opinion

b. i just cant fathom Kojima making something worse than GTA4

@violater
LOL

[Violater]

looks like I need to go back and play grid.

[Alcohog]

Its Edge, they are a joke!

[Fishy Fingers]

Well there's the opinion.

After you have played both, and you give GTA 8/10 and MGS 10/10 will that make you right and EDGE wrong? Nope, that's just your opinion and at the end of the day, it is only your opinion that should truly hold weight with you.

Edge have always been harsh and hard to please, that's why I like them, because they don't buy into hype. But regarding scores, some of my favorite games have been canned by the reviewers, I don't care, give it 5/10 or give it 10/10, doesn't effect what you get in the box.

MGS4 has been made for the fans, not everyone's going to like that, but fans will love it.

@Superfragilistic, Thank You :)

[Superfragilistic]

I agree wholeheartedly.

You deserves bubbles for a reasoned and sensible argument. If I could give you more I would. :)

[AllroundGamer]

whoever pays the reviewers more - wins, don't you know that?

[HighDefinition]

10 for GTAIV
9 for GRID

From edge is rubbish.

8 from EDGE seems realistic, considering normally a 8 from them is a 11 from someone else.

[theKiller]

Reviews have changed. ID-tagged journalists carry ID-tagged websites, use ID-tagged review scores. Illogical opinions inside their minds enhance and regulate their actions

[LastDance]

this is what happens when they dont buy out reviews....another gaming trait the east is yet to pick up...

[callahan09]

Yeah all these "critics" who give a game like MGS an 8 are a bunch of ignoramuses (ignorami?). Game development is a high-risk business, criticism is extremely low-risk. The people who poured their hearts & souls into making MGS 4 a competent game that runs smooth and is fun to play, the powerful & creative minds who invented this story and tell it with such cinematic flair... these people are the real heroes of our industry. The critics who undermine their creativity and efforts are just jealous weaklings. They exercise all the creativity of a rat, if that much.

I find it personally offensive how they mistreat the fruits of these brilliant peoples' labor. MGS4 has had more put into it than any game coming out this year, with a deeper and more meaningful story and running on an incredible technology that never slows down and always looks pretty. It's a fun game with high replay value. These critics need to learn to appreciate the efforts of their biological superiors (and by that I don't mean Japanese versus European... I mean literally that the folks who developed this game have powerful, intelligent, intuitive creative minds the likes of which these critics couldn't even dream of having)

[Gamingisfornerds]

It's nice to see some gamers in here with a common sense of reality.

@kindi_boy, lol...that's just pathetic, seriously.

I see people from all sides whining about reviews. And it always boils down to the same thing, whichever "camp" you're on:

If the review score doesn't match your expectations, the reviewer/reviewing site is rubbish and are biased/payed off. Once the score does meet your expectations, they're the holy grail of reviewers!

I'm not a MGS4 fan and am not impressed with what I've seen of this game so far, not one bit. Perhaps I decided to play it anyway and came to the conclusion that I recognize the quality present in the game, but just didn't enjoy it. In that case I could give it an 8. I'm I wrong then? Should I give it a 10 because others do enjoy it a lot? No. It's my opinion and that's all that matters.

[PistolPumptMonk]

HA totally just made my day. best comment ever.

[theKiller]

REVIEWS is not based on personal opinions!!!

it should be professional, the game should get scores based on these aspects

1: graphics
2: gameplay for its genre (whether u like that genre or not it should not effect the review)
3: sound(the soundtracks that used int he game and soud effect)
4: duration
5: value(whether u can play it again again and still enjoy it, and if it has online feature)

based on those aspects a person should give a professional review, if u did like violence does that give u the right to give GTA4 1/10?? i think my point is clear!

[Gamingisfornerds]

You can review a game by set aspects, but even then the score can differ greatly from review to review.

Graphics is highly subjective. One game can have all the technical bla bla, but may have horrible art-direction and design. Should the reviewer then just say: It has that much AA, good AF and high draw distance and give it a 10? That's just silly.

2 different reviewers can for instance point out 5 aspects of a game in their review. But one reviewer will put more weight into one aspect than the other. One might think graphics are more important than the other. Another reviewer might think story is where it's all at. I myself almost always agree with Gametrailers.com reviews. I mostly agree with their points and arguments in their reviews. Except, I often totally disagree with the score...see where I'm getting at?

You see, it doesn't make sense to go by each and every aspect of a game and determine the score by the sum of those parts. It's about the overal experience...FUN...you know? I think that's something gamers tend to forget, expecially this generation. It's all about "my d*ck is bigger than yours" and completely overlooking what games are all about in the end.

[illizit]

@fishy fingers
If they didn't buy into the hype, then why did they give GTA IV a 10/10? IMO, NO GAME should EVER get a 10/10 unless its absolutely perfect. GTA IV is not one of those games; it's not perfect. It has bugs, etc. It has been the best game this year however it still doesn't make it perfect nor a 10/10.

[LJWooly]

This is the same EDGE that gave Halo 3 10/10. Hard to please, my arse.

[theKiller]

yes the story should be included i forgot that one

let me repeat but more detailed this time

1: graphics (it should include the animation, art, framerate and the most important thing is they should always judge it by the the system has to offer and what the maximum graphics achievement in that particular system, if it pushes the limits of the graphics for its time then it should get 10/10, e.g. gears of war 1 pushed the limit at that time so it deserves a 10/10 in graphics, but if
gears of war 2 has the same graphics as GOW1 then it should get 9/10 because there is other games that is better, graphics should always be compared to what the best graphical games out in the market of that specific console)
2: story line
3: gameplay for its genre (whether u like that genre or not it should not effect the review)
4: sound(the soundtracks that used int he game and soud effect)
5: duration
6: value(whether u can play it again again and still enjoy it, and if it has online feature)

the different in opinion should be so huge between professional reviewer if all reviewers take out their preferences and stick to the rule.

they can have their own view on some points which r the following-

1: art of the game
2: the sound track, they might not like it
3: the story
4: and gameplay

so the different in those 4 point and the above 1 to 6 rules, it shouldn't make a review give a game 10/10 and the other 8/10, this is a huge difference, its a difference from a AAA title and an epic game to and average good game!! i agree that there is no perfect games but if someone will get a 10/10 like GTA4 then MGS4 deserves it more!!

[vickers500]

@theKiller

Hey, you stole krackchaps comment.

[JD_Shadow]

How do you figure that MGS4 got more hype than GTA4? GTA4 had the entire DLC argument attached to it and Microsoft wouldn't shut up about it. It had ALL news outlets talking about EVERYTHING about GTA4.

Has anyone done THAT kind of thing with MGS4 just yet. Yeah, it's being hyped, but not as much as GTA4 was. So your argument fails, and how Superfrag could blindly think that was a good argument is beyond me.

[BISHOP-BRASIL]

We all know MGS is a love or hate case.

Some people hate the long cutscenes, the stealth gameplay (you can't just go out of cover shooting without die sometimes...) while many others just love all of it.

I can understand people that like more GTA than this, so for one side I can understand those rates. But, looking for the other way, they should make the review showing the qualities of the game, not their personal opnion.

Said that, I don't have read. I can't say if they made a good or a bad review without reading it... The rate? It's just opnion, taste, personal.

[Mark 1]

Be happy that EDGE gave it an 8. I would have given a 5 for the cutscenes, framerate and load times.

[JD_Shadow]

So...you've already played the entire game before it comes out on June 12th? Wow, Kojima must've been EXTRA nice to you!

[heyheyhey]

OMG, is there ANY game that pleases EDGE?

these fools and Microsoftgamer are going to look so moronic standing next to all the 95+ reviews

[resistance100]

Give Edge a Zelda game and they are happy lol.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Halo 3 and GTA IV

Bioshock - 8
GeoW - 8
GoW - 8
BEYOND GOOD & EVIL - 4
MGS4 - 8

Then, Halo 3 and GTA IV - 10. When all above games are x20 times better

[ice_prophecy]

I am re-posting what I did in News Zone

"Eurogamer contributors include PC Gamer, Games TM and Edge magazine writers such as Oliver Welsh (Edge), Kieron Gillen (PC Gamer/ Edge), Jim Rossignol (PC Gamer/ Edge), John Walker (PC Gamer), Simon Parkin (Edge), Alec Meer (PC Gamer), Richard Leadbetter (Mean Machines), Dan Whitehead, Keza MacDonald (Games TM), and David McCarthy (Edge, MCV), as well as former GamesIndustry.biz editor Rob Fahey. Additionally, a number of regular contributors to the site write under pseudonyms (such as Egon Superb)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

credit goes to Euphrate for prompting me to look it up.

[Aquanox]

Another 8/10.

Lets see what Gamespot has to say. I trust their reviews the most. For good and bad.

[Mr PS3]

They renamed thier site's to
EuroBots and Edgebox

God Damn BABOONS wouldn't know a Class game if one bit them in thier Stupid Retarded Xbot Ass

Not that GTA4 aint a class game and Halo 3 is as good as its get's on the 3 dollar's 60 and we all know how crap that game is !!!!

The fact alone that this game cant be done on the 360 is proof enough that this is a true next gen game and a benchmark for years to come and should not score less than a 9.5 on any site regardless of them being Jealous sore assed bots

But any site that does not put MGS4 in the same league as these game's are proving them selves to be very unprofessional hater's and have absolutely no clue what a class game is and like some of the BOT'S on here are really pissed in the knowledge that this game is Exclusive to the PS3 and is Impossible for the 360 and they also know that it's over for the Old Grey Xbox 3 dollar's 60

Well all i can say is

Suck it up BOT'S
It's gonna get a whole lot worse for the bots in the coming years !! The PS3 is just kicking off

So Eurobots and Edgebox you can Give all the forthcoming Exclusive's for the PS3 such as R2,Killzone and Grand Theft Auto 5 a big fat 8 it don't bother us
The PS3 owner's know what class is (That's why we bought a PS3)
And your Review's that aint worth a Damm won't stop the Mighty PS3

Just be honored that you got to play MGS4 you worthless piece's of BABOON CRAP

[LenHart]

Gayspot and 1up are ttypical MS dicriding TARDS

MGS2 and MGS3 got the same score as MGS4 from EDGE

No one trusts GAYSPOT

MGS4 will be getting 10 from most websites

[LeSouteneur]

I felt none of their scores ever factored in how I liked the game. Bioshock and Gears of War an 8, while Halo 3 and GRiD get 9s and 10s.\

Still, don't be discouraged, EDGE usually gives out the lowest score a game can get (Check out gamerankings, edge is normally found at the very bottom of a game). Bioshock had an 8, yet its average is still one of the highest any game could have

[solidt12]

Yeah that's just Crazy. They gave Gears and Halo 3 a 8 but a Racing game a 9. I wonder what they gave GT5 Prologue?

[morganfell]

who is discouraged? look what i had to say about ng2. mgs4 is not a mainstream game. it has had mainstream press but it is still a game, as has been repeatedly stated by kojima, made for the mgs fans. i am proud to say it is my favorite series. i did not be come a fan in the past 6 months. i am not a rpg gamer that is going to try it. i have been a gear head since 1987.

i have a hard time buying into a review and the first thing i see is the fact the release date in the article is the 16th. if you can't get a fact straight how can i trust your opinion.

regardless as a gear head i am far beyond the mere opinions of some rpg gamer writing a review in a booth half way round the world. this is what people do not get. as gear heads we could care less what some non gear head has to say about it. it isn't that i don't play rpgs. i have played a few. but gear heads know that the mg series is a genre unto itself and you either get it or you do not.

if you think people laugh at gear heads then you have no idea the ridicule and derision they have for people for whom the mg series is just quite beyond.

you can easily spot a gear head. when someone says 90 minute cutscene they say "great!"

[LTC]

I dont like Edge. There marks are so inconsitent. They gave GTA4 and Halo 3 10 when both these games dont deserve more than 7. They also gave GEOW and Bioshock 8 when these games deserve at least a 9. And Grid 9? WTF

[LenHart]

from EDGE

EDGE gave MGS2 and MGS3 an 8/10 too

so nothing unusual from these SONY haters

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Thats why i dont really pay attention to these ranking site's and statistics,hell,if i like the game.I like it.i dont need some overpaid deushbag to tell me if it's good or not based on HIS opinion.

Same goes to those movie & resturant critics

Didnt i read somewhere a year back that assasins creed got like a 9.somthing? one of the most boring game's i've ever played..

[ape007]

this is a complete consparacy against the ps3,no other way to figure this out

[urban bohemian]

Gears of war got the same score. We'll have to wait and play it before we can decide how good it is mate.

[ape007]

do think that gears of war can touch mgs

I know gears of war is great but nothing can beat the boss.

[Area_51]

i'm telling you -2 off the top for not being on the 3fixme
there is so much corruption in gaming buisness right now, it makes me sick to the stomach.

[SteveUrkel]

this is the same score they gave other MGS games in the past! not corruption/conspiracy; freedom of expressing opinion! can you honestly claim corruption when they have a history of rating the series as an 8? if you're a fan of the series its a 10/10 and day one buy already. screw the reviews : )

[ape007]

reviews should be a product review not an opinion review,the word review doesn't mean an opinion,it means how good is the product,for example:graphics quality,story,gameplay,lengh,o nline mode,any bugs,framerate issues,replay value,etc....

[ice_prophecy]

I dont really care anymore. MGS4 is a genre which some people may not like. I am ok with that. Super Smash Brawl, as much as people talk it up - to me its SSB /w different characters.

The game is pre-ordered and paid for in full. I am going to pick it up and play it regardless of what people think! Why? Snake is probably one of the very few, if not only, character that ages over the game's time period. That just happens to rock my world.

Edit: The monkey makes me laugh for some reason. I just have to know its story.

[solidt12]

You didn't know! the Monkey will be the main character in MGS5 with octo camo. LOL

[Organic_Chemistry]

What monkey? You mean the keropi frog in mgs3 ?

[Ghoul]

There is a hidden rule reading edge eviews

read the review ifnore the score, ecge reviews are great they way they write about the good and the bad in each game is very good, the scores have never been very good.

an 8 from edge is a 9 from massmedia.
a sure buy for me no matter what who when says you really gotta relax a little about review scores, me personaly couldnt care less what joen doe in chigao thinks about a game, its me who rates if he likes a game and how much.

[shine1396]

didn't they give halo a ten? so what what did mass media give halo then...eight means that its a good game, nothing special, i reckon...

[Ghoul]

yeah thats what i said didnt i ?

for get the 10 ratings i give a fl***g f**k about 10s they are mostly made out of hype i liked halo 3 and i love gta4 but they do not deserve a ten in normal criteria, maybe in momentum and style (for each customer class) but not in technical or gamedesign superiority

[rosebowl23]

"Controversial score"

its only controversial if we make it a big deal. too bad some other reviewers alrady tried this (eurogamer). its not controversial anymore.

[liquidsnake]

Isn't this the same magazine wich said that MGS4 would be the greates game ever made and so on?

[Veryangryxbot]

Dont you find it funny how Edge praises MGS4 like heaven on earth in a hands on preview but when the real thing comes out, they rate it an 8?

Samething happened with eurbotgamers. They praised the game to the heavens in their preview and with the real review, they wrote a hatemail to Konami.

Kinda ridiculous. Shows the inconsistency and pocket filling practises of these sites. How can there be such a difference between the hands on and the final product?! Its not like Kojima changed the game 180 degrees!

He just tweaked a little after the hands on!
I swear someone needs to dig up the hands on preview and the review and put them together for all to see.

[liquidsnake]

Yea I find it quite funny as well. If anything, the full game must be better than the hands on. Don't get this review at all. Anywas, It'll need a nuclear bomb written "0/10" on it and then that nuke will have to blow me into pieces if it's gonna stop me from buying this.

[kingOVsticks]

"shakes head" just "shakes head" -_-

[hotshot127]

before 360 fanatics come in here. remember.......they gave bioshock a 8 also.

so i could care less. it just sickens me that games like gta get 10's. oh man, it almost makes me not even want to go pick up gta anymore. i only rented it at first but i think im going to be sick knowing im playing overrated sh!t

[ape007]

am I dreaming or somthing,gta4=10,mgs4=8
????????????????????????????? ???????????

[shysun]

Sooooooo, Grid is ranked higher? That mag never agrees with me.

[The Wood]

they are not us. We know what we like and expecting them to be clones of us just wouldn't be right. Im sure i love some games that you hate and vice versa. Its just their opinion. grid on the other hand getting 9 is just corruption lol;) *wink wink*

[Infinite-Ammo]

Another 8, aint gonna stop me from buying it.

I think this just maybe a way of lowering the hype, we were all hyped up for GTA4, reviewers saying this is the best game in 10 years, but when it was released it didnt live up to it at all. Same with Haze, turned out dreadful after all the hype.

[jwatt]

I don't see why anyone would be persuaded not to buy this game because of this review. There is going to be many reviews from different sites and magazines we have to look at the reviewer that you think is more like yourself.

Obvioulsy Edge isn't one of them because I played both MGS2 and mgs3 and they both played like they they should be rated over a 90 ecspecially mgs3. Plus reading up now maybe realize how much I didn't completely undersatnd the story. I know it's for the hardcore but anybody can follow the basic plot and can still find enjoyment out of it. The boss battles alone are enough to warrant this purchase.

[P4KY B]

That does put me off a bit.

I find the stories in Jap games hard enough to follow.
(i.e. DMC4 story was utter rubbish, just like AC6)

Still, 8 for EDGE is a good score.

[perseus]

"Jap" isn't a nice word. Is it really that hard to add 5 more letters?

[pp]

Thats a great score for a over hyped game

[Xlll]

you mean like the 6 your little ninja got?

[LenHart]

EDGE gave the same score to MGS2 and MGS3 as well

MGS4 will be getting 10 from most websites

[gambare]

If that doesn't makes you think, then you don't see that they score the hype, not the games, GeoW is a better game than Halo3, and less hyped

[xboxftw]

@lenfart/nasim/xtrempro

"MGS4 will be getting 10 from most websites "

Yeah just you wait...b3yond for those sites to suddenly come up out of the blue sponsored by $ony.

Stop defending your greentinted game more people are finding it to be just a normal game and no one is in love with it as you sony hypnotised droid.

[End Of war 2]

its an avrage game guys gt\ 1v ( which is not great scored 10/10 from egde same with halo 3 which is very great) 8/10 for mgs4 to me makes it avrage.

[hotshot127]

ok.......yea.

still getting this june 12th. 12.00AM.

[Says you]

That this is the greatest game of all time if they give it 8

[Closing]

Never trusted their reviews anyhow. IGN is where it's at for me.

[Number 9]

*braces self*

[hotshot127]

ok, i usually stay away from saying these things but................

somebody getting some big checks........and it isnt bill gates........

[LTC]

Well two 8 marks are not really going to affect the Meta rating where most sites have given it a 9.5+

[hotshot127]

but they'll make sure to post this in a hurry.........

[jspc1989]

so it got an 8 lol. that means its a very good game, hey look on the bright side ud have been p!ssed if had got even lower lol.

im just waiting for everyone to start demanding why it didnt get a perfect 10 - reviewers reply....becus i gave it my honest judgement lol :-).

altho i do disagree with gta4 getting a 10. its bin out a month and i dont know many ppl that play it anymor lol. and people are still playin halo 3 on a regular basis so maybe that fact has some influence on the 9 or 10 that it got.

[pp]

Hahahaha loosers upset because it got a 8/10 mommy will wipe those tears away

[hotshot127]

you saying again?

[Ali_The_Brit]

and when NG2 flopped your mum breast fed you again, due to your low age

[Ali_The_Brit]

yeh your right 8/10 IS a great score :)

[LenHart]

so nothing unusual

we already knew that MGS4 would be getting scores like these from eurogamer,1up,gamespot and EDGE

However MGS4 has got 10 from many websites. It will be getting 10 from many websites as WELL

[codeazrael]

Nothing like getting Adam and Morgan's opinion on games.........not to mention getting to look at those massive milk bags of Morgan's!

[heyheyhey]

GRID 9 but MGS4 8?

no, just no

EDIT: im not saying that GRID doesn't deserve a 9, because it seems like a well-rounded racing game that rivals GT5

but to score higher than the most genius game this gen is just ridiculous

but EDGE reviews have always been controversial i guess

[n4gzz]

well some people like grid better than mgs4. Hell even dynasty warrior is better than mgs4 for some people. :D
I love dynasty warrior 3. I put that game on my ps2 and after 5 min i am sleep :D. It has proven very healthy sleeping tablet for me. I have been doing this for over 2 years now. Can't beat that
haha

[TheMART]

So heyheyhey

How do you know? Did you play both games? Probably not. Well EGM did.

Go buy the mag and read what they have to say. They might be right and didn't buy into too much hype. Who knows. I am buying EDGE a lot as some other mags also and they write pretty good articles/reviews you know.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

before you talk sh!t like usual thefart just try play the demo.

[butterfinger]

EGM did? You're probably right, what score did they give it?

[Beg For Mercy]

get the f@uack out dude your a xbox fanboy, but anyway its sad because on every pic they leave a caption complaining about this mk droid is useless textures really bad up close fu@k edge magazine

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Grid, medicore racer (check the demo it SUCKS) 9.

MGS4, Game of the Century according to Multiple sources, 8.

Something is fishy.

EDGE just lost the very little credibility they had.

The following is posted by Jenzo, a knows X360 supporter on this site
"One of a kind stealth adventure with a storyline better than most Hollywood movies + at least 30 hours of gameplay and a standalone online part - 8/10

Good looking racer with less options than other racers and controls that render it unplayable - 9/10

Ka-ching!"

Thank you for disagrees and probably gave me bubbles - like usual, arseholes. Stop sending PM to each other to give each other bubbles and you have 9 bubbles while you should have 1.

[hotshot127]

hahahahahaha oh man that was funny. bubbles.........

@mart. oh yea now all of a sudden there right and not buying into the hype. just because a game is hyped doesnt mean that reviewers have to give a game a 8 to show that there not buying into it.

you know they gave bioshock an 8 right? but im sure you think that it deserves that score................since its coming to ps3 now.

so you think grid brings more to the racing genre then mgs4 brings to........GAMES? oh please, dont make stupid comment.

its okay though, like i said before, this game will rank higher then any exclusive 360 game period and i know your going to hate that.

oh and did i mention they gave gears of war a 8 also mart?..........

EDIT:@mr. marbles. so then so did gears and bioshock right?

[TheMART]

Well depends. I think games that lack a multiplayer should get some points less indeed. Actually they should review the SP & MP seperately. Bioshock didn't have MP might have been a reason to rate it not so high. Can't remember exactly why it got an 8.

Well enjoy Bioshock 1.5 years after the 360 owners played it. I've seen a lot of 1 year after remakes on the PS3 right now. Lost Planet for example, you played it 1 year later and got a less game. NICE

This game might end higher then a 360 exclusive up till now. But you forgot to mention this is the only game hitting on or over 9.0 out of 10 on the PS3 1.5 years after its release. Which is kinda sad. The 360 has more of them.

MGS4, well I've heard that many reviews are talking about the fact that if you're not into MGS games up till now, MGS4 won't be for you. Which isn't a very good thing actually. It doesn't bring so much for games and especially all gamers that way.

A question for you: you say EDGE isn't doing their reviews well then?

Not only that, you can bet Gears 2 at the end of the year will hit high again, so don't worry, 360 owners will have their party soonish.

[butterfinger]

"Not only that, you can bet Gears 2 at the end of the year will hit high again"

GeOW got an 8 from EDGE as well, so I guess it will be hitting just as high as MGS4.

[gambare]

and they gave an 8 to it

[ATLRoAcH]

Actually, P:ToM said MGS4 will be appealing story and all to those who have never played or who didn't like the old metal gears. In the beginning of the review the reviewer states that he is NOT a Metal Gear fan. With that said he goes on to talk about how MGS4 has taken a spot in his top 10 list and how MGS4 will be remembered as a legendary mark in gaming even when we're all dust. These guys (EDGE) just didn't favor the game as much as everyone else will. The review is opinion. Also the reviewer for P:ToM beat the game twice. The first review copy wasn't a completely polished version so he played it again when he got the copy thats the quality of the retail version we'll all be playing. Metal Gear games always have people who go into the game hating on everything because they didn't care for a previous Metal Gear. Oh and it seems that an 8 out of 10 is pretty damn good for these guys.

Bioshock won't be like Lost Planet. All those bad port days are over. I will enjoy Bioshock why thank you.

That all being said I'm sure Gears of War 2 will be a great game and is something for you 360 guys to look forward to. Wow, did you see what I just did? I got my point across without being an immature fanboy jerk. You should try growing up and comment on news that pertains to you. You know you would look pretty smart if you never said anything at all.

[Jeppe]

@Mart
"I think games that lack a multiplayer should get some points less indeed"

Well, we are all different. I'm not into multiplayer games at all. I avoid them. I like good single player games like far cry. I can't see why games like that should deserve less points..

[juuken]

That's complete bullshit.
They gave GTA a 10/10 but gave MGS4 an 8/10?

Fail.
That is all.

GTA doesn't even deserve a perfect 10. It's more like a 9 or even an 8.
I'm still getting MGS4.

[butterfinger]

it's really annoying when mags like EDGE and Eurogamer try to get hits by giving a game a lower score just to draw attention. As soon as the description said "controversial" it should be obvious that they are just trying to look edgy (no pun intended). I, for one, will not be giving these sites any hits or purchasing any mags. I wish metacritic would throw out these obviously biased reviews, even if that meant they would have to get rid of Playstation magazine or website reviews. I'll stick with IGN, as usual.

[Zool 08]

I had respect for Edge as I thought they would be honest and tough with their reviews but after reading this and their recent reviews Halo 10, GTA 10 (in which they would have noway gives score to if they were PS3 exclusives) and then they score this one 8 goes to show that clearly they are and always have been biased towards all Playstation games no matter how good they are thus demonstrating they're another one of those anything but Sony brigade, whioh in my opinion is unindependent and un professional, so from now now on Edge alongside Gamespot will be ignored and i will no longer but their magazine nor visit their websites anymore

[shanbcn]

two scores of 8 and game rankings and meta are quick to put it. And forgot about countless 9.5+ scores.

[butterfinger]

doesn't have the EDGE review up yet. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to jump on the conspiracy theories:P

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

[butterfinger]

@ whoever disagreed with facts, you're pathetic.

[Fallen_Angel]

Guess ps3 fanboys where will now say edge isnt even creditible

[butterfinger]

360 fanboys were very pleased when they gave GeOW and Bioshock 8s as well. You're a joke.

[The Wood]

ive read and lived in uk for years and used to be a subscriber to edge. This is just how they are. an 9 in edge is a 10 everywhere else. Im suspicious about the grid score where as i feel the mgs score is fine for edge. People are making too much noise about the wrong thing. My personal grievance isn't with the 8 for mgs4 its the 9 for grid. I knew that 8 for bioshock and gears were gret scores but people who don't know edge think they were taking the piss.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Bioshock - 8
GeoW - 8
GoW - 8
BEYOND GOOD & EVIL - 4
MGS4 - 8

Then, Halo 3 and GTA IV - 10. When all above games are x20 times better

@Above, Fallen Angel. As you can see most people above are unbiased people with cretibility unlike you. and you magically went from 4 bubbles to 5 bubbles with the above comments. How many accounts you have? Or did you PM TheFart and Power of F4g for bubbles like they do?

The bubble system is totally broken and being abused, and people like me are the victims. I went from 5 to 1 bubbles in 1 day for saying itagaki is an arse (that was the only comment that whole day)

[JD_Shadow]

...Bubble for you, from me, because:

1. You made an excellent point. The comparison to other games (don't get me wrong, GTA4 held my interests, but something seems missing this time from this one, and no, it has nothing to do with DLC) to this score makes it suspicious. Personally, I think Gamepro really is THE creditable mag on this one, since they not only gave this a 5/5 (we will see if that held up to players eyes, looks like it will), but they also SLAUGHTERED that 90-minute cutscene crap.
2. I think that is wrong that so many people slam others just because they rag on the fanboy's cherished systems. N4G is a great site, and we don't need idiots like Mart, Bloodmask, etc. that want to do stuff like that, and those that try to HIDE their fanboyism (you know who you are that do that, you're the WORST of the bunch), ruining it.

[Euphrate]

Is Eurogamer in Magazine version. You guys didn't know that?

ahahhahahhahahah

[hotshot127]

bubbles for first person to answer me.........

[Superfragilistic]

They're seperate publications with the same scores but different opinions. lol :)

Eurogamer's review was written by Oli Welsh.

EDIT: Bubbles to ice prophecy! :)

[ice_prophecy]

"Eurogamer contributors include PC Gamer, Games TM and Edge magazine writers such as Oliver Welsh (Edge), Kieron Gillen (PC Gamer/ Edge), Jim Rossignol (PC Gamer/ Edge), John Walker (PC Gamer), Simon Parkin (Edge), Alec Meer (PC Gamer), Richard Leadbetter (Mean Machines), Dan Whitehead, Keza MacDonald (Games TM), and David McCarthy (Edge, MCV), as well as former GamesIndustry.biz editor Rob Fahey. Additionally, a number of regular contributors to the site write under pseudonyms (such as Egon Superb)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Euphrate]

they are, I guess the flamewar here is over huh lol

[The Wood]

you kind of told me what i kinda knew deep down

bubbles Euphrate + ice

[Mr Marbles]

the games deserves an 8, ever think of that fanb%tches?

[LarVanian]

Maybe you should play the game and see, you jackass. Ever think of that?

[Ali_The_Brit]

not really, considering it has got two 8/10's and what.. a bunch of 9.5/10s ?

[heyheyhey]

maybe........ the game got 9.9 from IGN

maybe........ these biased, dumbass mags and sites are getting biased MGS-haters to review the game

you WANT the game to deserve an 8, but unfortunately for you- it doesn't

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

You said - 'OMG, is there ANY game that pleases EDGE?'
Yeah 99% of Games that are on the xBox 360!!! ;-D

If GTA4 was PS3 only it would get 8/10

If GRID was PS3 only it would get 7/10

If HALO 3 was PS3 only it would get 7/10

Hmm...Never mind NOTHING will stop me and PS3 owners getting this MASTERPIECE!!! ;-P

[heyheyhey]

the extra two heyhey's are a nice touch

[STARS]

Lol, you couldn't be more on point, Sir Ken. Your posts are always fun to read, haha, cause the truth hurts. I honestly don't give a flying **** if MGS4 scores a 2 the rest of the way from these biased, bot sites, it's a day 1 purchase for me. Regardless of what anybody says about MGS4, it will go down as one of the best games I've ever played, period. EDGE is entitled to their opinion, and I'm entitled to mine, they can go to Hell.

[pwnmaster3000]

because they expect way to much of these console and i think it have done a good job, first year games are if not better but same in graphix.
outselling 360 every month

but there just haters

they gave halo 3 a 10 wen like 6 of my friends who hates ps3 said that game was garbage

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Sorry i got carried away @heyheyheyheyheyhey... ;)
@STARS ;) I always er sometimes try and make a funny comment;)
(tho my jokes can be terrible sometimes!) ;-D
Every MGS fan KNOWS that it will be a EPIC MASTERPIECE ;-P
@pwnmaster3000 Your right, their Haters

Can't wait to play it;)

[Irishrocket69]

Yeah, don't reviewers need to know by now, that if they give a PS3 game anything less than a 20A+++100.00% they are all imbeciles. I mean its not like they have already played the games or anything. The bastards!!

[zypher]

i usually never slam someone for their opinion, because opinions are subjective. my opinion is as subjective as the next persons, and my opinion that their opinion is right or wrong is the highest you can get in subjectivity. what i have a problem with is baseless opinions. for instance, Itagaki just said that its his opinion that the 360 is the most powerful hardware. fair enough. but then he gives us a games that don't demonstrate that the 360 is the most powerful hardware. in fact, his games look worse than the 360's best looking game (Gears of War) which has an equal counterpart on the PS3 (UTIII), which itself is not the PS3's best looking game. my gripe with EDGE's MGS4 review isn't that its low or that its someone's opinion. my gripe is that the reviewer (pretty much like the eurogamer reviewer) just doesn't seem like a fan of Metal Gear Solid at all, meaning that his opinion is naturally gonna be skewered. now there's nothing wrong with beind indifferent about MGS; however, if you are indifferent then your opinion is naturally gonna be slanted in ill-favor. i guess in cases like these its hard to judge either way.

[hotshot127]

bubbles.............as promised

[Euphrate]

I mean I was the first lol

[Euphrate]

http://www.n4g.com/up/20510...

[Bubble Buddy]

Sad how some reviewers are not as professional anymore or maybe they just gave it a low score to get people's attention; everyone ignore EDGE and Eurogamer please.

[Euphrate]

Bubble+

We have the power to destroy them, by not visiting their sites when they act clearly baised. I'm not visiting their site anymore. Plus nobody buys magazines anymore b/c of the internet. So they lose.

[Agent VX]

LOL, of course they must want everyone attention by scoring MGS 4 low... 'rolls eye's'

Or, maybe, just maybe.... MGS 4 just ain't that good of a game. Believe it or not, MGS series ain't the most popular title going.

This shouldn't be really an issue with PlayStation 3 users, they are quite used to big games flopping, I don't think I need to mention Lair or Haze. Nevermind other games like Resistance, Motorstorm and GT scoring rather poor also, good but not AAA material.

[The Dude]

Sadly none of us have played the game yet and have no idea if the game is an 8 or 9. A fanboy calling on a ban over an 8 what a joke...

[Bubble Buddy]

So u agree with them giving Gears an 8? Since they give great games bad scores to get attention, I'm pretty sure Gears deserved way more than an 8. Maybe you just hate good games too?

[bluecapone]

edge also gave

8/10 gears
8/10 bioshock
8/10 Me
and now

8/10 MGS4

seems like that mag doesn't like great games

[e-ray]

Anyone else think that EDGE just likes to get in the news for big games? They have given games that are crappy on metacritic high scores and games that are amazing low scores...

[buffonegypt]

well, If those mother F*** kers Mags think they're gonna make us not buy this game then they should think again ,, MGS4 is the best game ever made whatever some PS3 haters try to say .... All I can say is go put your stupid review in your dirty a s s ...Nothing is gonna stop MGS4

[Euphrate]

You could get your revenge, by ignoring their site ( EuroGamer) and magazine.

yeah, EuroGamer = EDGE for those who don't know it.

[etownone]

"MGS4 is the best game ever made "

hahahahaha... CLASSIS example of a sonydroid!!

(you haven't played the game yet)

[butterfinger]

- Classic example of xbox fanboy intelligence

[Amp]

Butterfinger+bubbs

[Agent VX]

WOW, another 8??? Looks like MGS 4 is showing signs of a huge flop. If MGS 4 doesn't score at least an Metacritic score of at least 95 or higher, MGS 4 will be one of the biggest flops in videogame history.

The FlagShip Title of the PS3, the one with the countless delays, and it's looking like they couldn't of saved it. With only a few other big titles exclusive for the PS3 coming up, it's looking pretty bleak? But then, "Disappointment" on the PS3 seems to be a common theme.

Then theres the technical difficulties of the game running on the PS3, with large amount of dropped frames, and all this with Sony's best working on the title. This really has to worry Sony about their underachieving PS3.

[jackdoe]

------> Wrong zone. Reported. And where the hell did anyone mention dropped framerates in MGS4? You are stretching.

[ice_prophecy]

No not really.

If you read some of the previous posts. You will learn that the writers of EDGE contribute to EUROGAMERS.

Credits to Euphrate for pointing that out.

here is source of evidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Eurogamer contributors include PC Gamer, Games TM and Edge magazine writers such as Oliver Welsh (Edge), Kieron Gillen (PC Gamer/ Edge), Jim Rossignol (PC Gamer/ Edge), John Walker (PC Gamer), Simon Parkin (Edge), Alec Meer (PC Gamer), Richard Leadbetter (Mean Machines), Dan Whitehead, Keza MacDonald (Games TM), and David McCarthy (Edge, MCV), as well as former GamesIndustry.biz editor Rob Fahey. Additionally, a number of regular contributors to the site write under pseudonyms (such as Egon Superb).

[ice_prophecy]

Unfortunately, I beg to differ.

I was responding directly to you

"WOW, another 8???"

I am aware that that may not be enough to persuade you otherwise.

EDIT : nevermind.... >.< so confused now

[butterfinger]

"If MGS 4 doesn't score at least an Metacritic score of at least 95 or higher, MGS 4 will be one of the biggest flops in videogame history."

I suppose by that notion we can all agree that Gears (94), Halo 3 (94), Mass Effect (91), and Forza 2 (90) are all amazingly large flops. I guess the only good 360 exclusive is Bioshock, but now the superior version is coming to PS3. lmao.

[mightydog01]

gear of war got an 8 so is that a flop. You come across as retarded and you need to go to the openzone the gamerzone is for mature gamers not brainless kiddies.....

[Blitzed]

So then every game other than Bioshock was a flop last year. I love how you didn't use 90%, I guess you're worried it will probably average higher, so 95% is now the cut off for a AAA ranking. LMAO!

Agent VX is a rabid 360 troll. Just take a peak at his/her comment history; 95% of the posts are trolling, anti PS3 comments. Although this site has somewhat desensitized me to the ramblings of fanboys, this one is more pathetic than POG.

[she00win99]

i'm just sad that mgs got low scores this early, it just proves that many people wants to bring down the ps3 by lowering the review scores of the ps3 exclusive games even though it's one of a kind like MGS4..

[b-fish]

I love how so many people in here point to the fact that edge gave GTA4 a 10 as 'proof' that their reviews aren't credible.GTA4 is an amazing game and I don't think giving it a 10 undermines edge at all.

Here's an idea- wait for Mgs4 to be released and play it and then compare it to GTA4 instead of deciding that it is such a superior game before you even play it.

[Euphrate]

So, HALO 3 got a 10 which means it's just as good huh?

Oh wait:

Gears of War 8/10
BIOSHOCK (GOTY) 8/10

Okay, HALO 3 was better then both...

[afghani]

hi boys and girls..the curious absconder from afghanistan is here.
well i was just shocked when i saw this review. and then i looked at the halo 3 review from this site and they gave it 10 out of 10! would u believe it? damn this guys must smoke grass!
i am not a fanboy but to give this game just 8 is a crime against the gaming industry! i mean i played the entire game with some journalist and really its a peace of art. i think kojima should be given a award for this game. but now u can give me some of your views

may god bless america and japan and may god forgive america for dropping nukes in kojimas native homeland

[etownone]

"may god bless america and japan and may god forgive america for dropping nukes in kojimas native homeland" .... why go there?!?

do i have to state facts of why certain events had to happen and turn this thread into a history lesson?

get outta here witht that bul1shit and crawl back to your cave.

[superman]

According to the people on this site, whenever a ps3 exclusive gets a score not to their liking its a conspiracy.

[buddyro]

f'ed up how can they give GTAIV 10 and MGS4 an 8 when MGS4's graphics alone proves how the line between video game and CG game play are being blurred.

[LinuxGuru]

I'm sorry, but you must have meant to say that about Killzone 2, because although MGS 4 looks good....it's no Killzone, that's for sure.

If there's one game to be compared to CG this gen, it should be Killzone.

[LinuxGuru]

I find it interesting how even 360 gamers are pissed at the stupid gaming sites giving a great franchise like MGS such low scores.

Afterall, they scored the genius of a game, BIOSHOCK, a motherf*cking EIGHT as well.

I BATTLED, and I mean BATTLED a faulty 360 DVD drive for WEEKS because I was DESPERATE to finish Bioshock, it was so good.

[jackdoe]

Edge has always give harsh review scores for a number of large titles. Earned a rep for it actually. The reason why a number of people expected a higher score from Edge was because of their INCREDIBLY positive preview of MGS4 (back when all those editors got to play through the complete game).

[bioshock]

MGS4 will be a universally acclaimed game on both gameranking and metacritic...and it will definaltly move hardware...they dont matter too much....both halo3 and gta4 are well hyped game and they went with the hype just like we did and bought the game day one....MGS4 will be getting couple of 8s nodoubt.most critics dont like the conversation, cutscenes and all but frankly i dont think gamers who are waiting for this game care about these scores.....even mighty GTA4 got 8 from destructoid( they are the only onces to give real score)...

[highdro]

y is every one so into this reviews....if u are dumb enough to not know what u like just by seeing direct feed gameplay, real ingame trailers, then u are not a gamer,.....by the game if u like it keep it and if u dont give it back its that simple,..every person has their own BRAIN damn....to much people follow the hype in this game industry!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[staub91]

are attention whores

[bioshock]

keeping in mind how fans will find it not what he thinks of the game...if u give some retard MGS4 and he doesnt knw anything about the game, def he gonna give it a score like this.....

[afghani]

well we dent live in caves anymore u see..the taliban era is over.
but i was just trying to make some gamers chuckle with that last line i wrote.

anyways..could u answer my main question please? i mean it is really shocking to give this game just 8? i have played through the whole game and it is just a piece of art. i even chatted with the man himself..kojima

[DexTh05]

Well im just gonna say this about GTA 4 first. GTA is a one of the best or the best open world games ever made, but with the graphics being what they are, and some of the controls, it doesn't deserve a perfect score. Im not gonna say MGS4 is gonna be perfect but it definitely did not deserve a damn 8 out of 10. Does the review break the game HELL NO, but i do think that reviewers are using different standards for different games which is not the right thing to do. Bottom line, MGS4 will be one of the greatest games ever made!!!!

[afghani]

this is just amazing!! how can they give this game 8 out of 10?!!
man..this is insane..i am not a sony fanboy..but i have been playing games for many years and know what quality is..i have played through the entire game and it is no ducking way a 8 score game!!

i also happened to check some 360 games this site had reviewed and they actually gave halo 3 10 out of 10!!

there might be some spelling mistakes here cuz my native language is not english..its pashto..

may the gaming world prosper in these harsh times the us economy is going through

[JokesOnYou]

basicly what the sony folks are saying is if any reviewer doesn't think MGS4 is gods gift to the world *after* they have played it then there review is one of the following:

hate sony
biased
its a conspiracy
they have no creditability
their opinion doesn't count
reviews are tainted, *except the ones who gave MGS4 a 10

While rational people (like me) always remind ourselves that reveiws are done by humans with different tastes, likes, dislikes, and personalities and therefore I find it easily believable that there are professional game journalists and *gamers who enjoy GRID or Halo3 more. Maybe its true that this game will most likely be very good to the usual MGS fans while being even more what the critics have always disliked about it= cutscene heavy, awkward storyline. Personally Iam one of the few who always hated these things about the series but in the end I still found MGS games enjoyable and MGS4 looks like a great game imo but for the sake of decency STOP CRYING BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT IN LOVE WITH THE GAME. -Its called LIFE, deal with it and move on.

JOY

[Superfragilistic]

Sometimes I strongly disagree with you and consider you a fanboy.

But so long as you stick to the same logic with 360 games, I'm in agreement with you and hence bubbles for a "nail on the head" post.

Reviews are opinions, not facts. Get over it and get gaming! :)

[JokesOnYou]

ha ha nah but really if you look at my comments even though they are sometimes harshly targeted at the sony folks, I still back up what I say with commons sense thinking and legitimate examples/data etc. and as far as reviews for 360 games are concerned I challenge anybody to quote one of my past comments where I attack the reviewer, in fact Halo3 a game I love had a few low scores and yet I didn't attack or hate on the reviewers, NO but if I disagree with a review I simply state why and I always add they have a right to their own opinion, because basicly thats what it is, an OPINION. Maybe its just me but it just seems sony loyalists try to tear down anything or anyone who doesn't speak 100% favorably of sony/ps3....and worst they pick and choose when to accept/not accept reviews/websites at their own convenience.

JOY

[Superfragilistic]

I completely agree. And NO it's not "just (you)" lol :)

[jackdoe]

Lol, Jokes. Most of your comments aren't backed with common sense,etc. They are Fanboy posts first and foremost. However, I have to commend you on this particular post. You shed your fanboy exterior (for the most part) for this post and delivered a rational comment about reviews. There are plenty of things about MGS that could turn off gamers (cutscenes, static camera from the first three MGS games) and it doesn't surprise me that some people might not like the game.

[pwnmaster3000]

wow look at these xbots celibrating. you know it wont change the way it sellds, it will still sell millions.
and anyway
this site gave
360
bioshock-8
gears of war 1-8
mass effect-7

ps3
uncharted-8
mgs4-8

i dont like this site

[thenickel]

Most of you guys are taking this review stuff way to serious. Just buy the games you want and don't let somebody's opinion effect yours period. I will take word of mouth any day over some guys opinion at a gaming site or mag.

[Milky Joe]

Why give the game to a reviewer that isn't a fan of the series? This game is the final entry in an extremely story driven saga that plays like no other game on the planet and is full of quirky in-jokes. This game is, without a doubt a game that only fans of the series are going to get the most from. It'd be like giving a wine critic a happy meal to review. They'd be looking in all the wrong places trying to get the aroma and stuff and completely miss what makes happy meals great(?)

Alright, maybe that is a bit of an extreme example but telling someone to review a game that they're just not going to be able to get the best out of is just irresponsible.

[spiderfish]

Cmon guys I too am somewhat a PS3 fanboy but it's just a goddam review, a piece of opinion about a game.
It seems that everyone is high on review scores like it's a competition, but it's not at all and an 8 is still way above average and an indication of a great game to try out.

[afghani]

this post is a response to jokesonyou
well mate..u did have some good points..but still..8 out of 10 is an average score..and this is by all means not an average game.
of course people are different and have other preferences and so on..
but when u are reviewing a game u must put aside your subjectivity and be as neutral as possible..cus this review is going to be read by millions of people...

but heck..lets just ignore this one silly review...lets enjoy this piece of art from a genius man.

may the gaming industry continue to flourish in these harsh times

best regards
hideo kojima jr;)

[jax07]

Do you guys realize that these scores hold no weight what so ever. Please stop fussing over them. It doesnt take a genius to see how vague his review is. Why is the game only for fans of the series? and what reason other than long cut scenes does this game not deliver. Is targeting off? are enemies dumb and unchallenging? Do the controls hinder the already highly praised gameplay?. You can see this is not a review it barely passess as a preview. Are you guys under mind control, really you sound rediculous, oh no I hate Edge and so on. How does what they say have so much power over your choice. Be a human not a robot and use your brain and the free will you were given.

[Surfman]

Who ever X360 fans says that the game deserve 8, bla bla bla, over hyped game, bla bla. Just shut up? You guys closed your eyes on everything else? There's like 15 other reviews with scores between 9.5 and 10. But you guys closed your eyes and only see the 8/10 and say that the game suck. No the game dont suck, YOU do.

Plus, the PS3 is hated by alot of reviewers, so if MGS4 gets a meta score of 90/100 at the end, well just add another 10 to this meta score, that will probably be the real objective score.

[jax07]

A review isnt suppossed to be you opinion as to whether or not you like the game or what youthink of it. It is a critique of the games ability to deliver on its gameplay mechanics and be fun in regards to the games premise, concept and target audience. Are you able to do what you are suppossed to as allowed by the gameplay? how well is this executed? Is there an aspect of the game that hinders another? Also since when does multiplayer have to be in every major title? Multiplayer this, multiplayer that, wayyyyyyy overrated and stupid for these reveiwers to take off points for it. I dont care if they wanted it, its not suppossed to be in certain games. If you have multiplayer the entire game should be designed around that, like WarHawk and pretty much any Halo game ( which are basically MP games with tacked on single player campaigns for some story).

[JokesOnYou]

Review=Opinion.....plain and simple.

Even your definition of what a review is suppose to be boils down to an opinion of those points.

"It is a critique of the games ability to deliver on its gameplay mechanics and be fun in regards to the games premise, concept and target audience."

hmmm, first of all you used the word "critique", everything about that word screams "opinion"

second, you talk about a games "ability to deliver on its gameplay mechanics and be fun in regards to the games premise, concept and target audience."
-well thats a *judgement call*=critique=opinion,....but also I like the fact you specific pointed out a target audience, uhm yes any sequel in a series *should aim first and foremost to please those who have become fans thats usually why the core gameplay/plot/storyline/main charachter is almost always the same, no sh!t its a sequel but a reviewer should also review a game with the knowledge in mind that alot of his readers(new gamers) will also be interested in the game, therefore he must mention anything that might be of concern to a wide range of gamers and if neccessary rate the game accordingly since this review is NOT ONLY for past MGS fans.

So basicly in a nutshell if you read the review and you as a longtime MGS fan *think it was reviewed lower or too low because of cutscenes, confusing story, or whatever and you actually love long cutscenes then cool, you should assume it will be a better experience for you rather than the next guy who would rather have less cutscences and more gameplay...last but not least you have to consider the timing and flow of the cutscences, because sometimes they make sense when done right in a game and sometimes a custscene turns out to be little more than an annoyance....really its not a black n white issue there are many factors that make game design work or not work well.

JOY

[Tmac]

Your wrong, reviews aren't suppose to be subjective, dependent on a factor of the person, only on their competency. Giving in to personal bias means you are incompetent to fit the job. It's been like this forever, all of a sudden it's 'OKAY' to bring subjectivity into this?

[JokesOnYou]

"reviews aren't suppose to be subjective"

-huh? what the hell are you talking about?, a *review where one individual or individuals have to judge content of a game is by its very nature *SUBJECTIVE, theres no set formula for grading a piece of creative work therefore the reviewer must determine *HOW good or bad the game is, based on its own merits.

Obviously everyone including journalist are somewhat biased, but that just means they like certain things and they dislike certain things, this fact however does not mean that same person has a pre-metated hatred for a game, I mean what do you want someone to say if they don't like a particular feature/aspect of a game? should they not mention it because some will be offended because they actually love that feature?...hell no, its his job to raise the point and let the readers decide whether they feel the same or not....journalists are not robots= they inform/provide insight into the makeup of a game *before you buy it.

Still no matter what they say ultimately its your choice to agree with his opinion or disagree, buy the game or not buy the game, hell its even possible to agree with him and STILL believe MGS4 is one helluva game and buy the game anyway....the problem with people now-a-days is they want to crush any idea different than their own, it seems they need re-assurance about what they believe and when someone challenges that view they freak out as if they are directly insulting them personally about their choice. damm, just stand up on your own two feet and buy the game if you want it, I can respect that but what I hate is those who attack/target people simply because they disagree with them, thats the sad part.

JOY

[Superfragilistic]

Wow Jokes you're talking an awful lot of sense in a mess of fanboy crazies.

Excellent explanation of why a review is subjective by definition. Unfortunately people complaining seem to not understand the lack of their own objective thoughts. :)

[N2NOther]

Oh my god...I'm ashamed to say I own a PS3...You people have to biggest collective persecution complex. Wow....It's really, really sad.

[solsub]

Although I agree that they shouldn't take these insignificant reviews all too seriously, you may remember that 360 fans b!tched at the same mag when they handed 8's to Bioshock, ME and Gears.

Just putting this into perspective.

[Blitzed]

While I agree with this comment for the most part, it can be said of both PS3 and 360 owners. Also, for a PS3 owner, you sure bash it a lot, from Blu ray adds nothing to GTAIV is better on the 360. At least you seem to have stopped spamming MGS4 threads with your disdain of the 'long cut scenes', I guess you figured we got it by now.

[N2NOther]

Sorry you see it as "spamming", but I wanted to get the point across that not all MGS fans want long cut scenes. It seems that with each medium Kojima lets his games get more and more bloated. But also, it was a retort against the hundreds of irrational posts on the matter accusing everyone who isn't on board with MGS 4 being the greatest game ever being a 360 fanboy. And there are several people who have posted this type of thing again and again and again. At least my posts have been teeming with rationality.

As for me bashing PS3....Well, let's say that in the 6 months I've owned the thing, I've played all of 4 games on it. And that's because they were exclusive. I've used it much more as a Bluray player than as a console. Thus far, with every game I played outputting 720p, none of them were enhanced by being Bluray, so no, Bluray, to this point, doesn't make the games better. And it's a proven fact that GTA is better on 360. Better resolution, better online connection, and exclusive dlc. If that doesn't make a game better, then I don't know what you need.

Again, nothing I said has been has been "fanboy" fueled. I think Sony fans should get a little perspective. These conspiracy theories are beyond ridiculous. I have a friend that actually said, outloud, that Infinity Ward is biased against PS3 because they won't be putting code into the game that allows for Dual Shock compatibilty. Seriously?

I'm looking forward to MGS4 (I pre-ordered the Limited Edition) very much, but I take every review with a grain of salt.

And if I read 360 fans saying the same types of things about 360 games, I'll call them on it too. Is rationale really an alien concept?

[Blitzed]

LOL You got it into this thread too.

[Rayko]

ooohh how sad, you bought a PS3 and none of your games get super hyper duper association sports club reviews. Please it is really really silly that everyone is Hitler when they give bad reviews to PS3 games. Stop being so fanboyish, and get a wii and a 360 instead so you guys don´t have to be so angry all the time.

[Aclay]

Edge magazine sounds like another GameSpot right now to me.

I don't need Edge magazine to tell me what kind of game MGS4 is because I already know that it's a 10/10 game and it's one of the best games coming out the entire year. MGS4 has gotten numerous 10/10 and 9.0+ scores, and MGS4 is perfection. I'm getting MGS4 on the day of release. Edge magazine is just jealous that it's not coming to the Xbox 360. Sorry Edge magazine but the 360 wasn't meant to have every game.

[N2NOther]

Wow. So let me get this straight. Even though you haven't played the game you know it's not only "perfection" but the best game of the year. And because you know this, any review that states otherwise is incorrect. How old are you? 12?

Thank God perspective and objectivity entered my life a long time ago. Other wise I would have loved Kane and Lynch.

[solsub]

Calm down Aclay, these guys aren't "Xbots". They handed 8/10's to Bioshock, Mass Effect and Gears. Those titles are now widely regarded as AAA titles and I'm sure the same will apply to MGS4 once it hits.

But hey, if you really do care for the reviews, check out gamerankings and metacritic. MGS4 is still averaging 94 and 97 respectively. That's damned impressive, regardless of franchise.

[da7dal]

They want to be controversial so that they get some attention. EDGE reviewer:give MGS 4 an 8/10 and Killzone an apple/10.

[LTC]

Edge previewed this game and said "it will blow you away"
What happened now has MS funds cleared? Twats gave GOW an 8 and GOW 2 a 7 do you believe that? They gave one of the best ps2 games a 7. Also giving Halo 3 and GTA4 a 10 proves just how ridiculuos they are.
I never take them seriously

[three11_mtl]

Games like GTA 4, Halo, Gears, God of war, are all games that made it to mainstream status because of their action packed easy to pickup gameplay mechanics. Metal Gear Solid has always been on the opposite side of the spectrum by being a more story driven STEALTH action game that doesn't appeal as much to the mainstream public. Not everybody will like it but I know I will pick up my LE version on day 1!!!

[PirateThom]

An 8 from Edge?

Amazing. Seriously.

[OOG]

and here we go again.........

[zephyr-chills]

It sounds like they don't have the patience to sneak around in the game like your supposed to. So the point is that this review isn't trustworthy because it's like if I was to review a Madden game for instance. I would give it a really low rating because I would rather play football outside than in a video, not a sports games fan.

[Hockey11]

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Eat it Bots.

[caffman]

taking it like that, at this stage bioshock had 100%

[stuntman_mike]

ive never been a fan of edge magazine ive said so in the past but this is thier opinion and wont stop it from becoming one of the top selling games this year (if not THE top selling game) garunteed.

i'll be getting it day one and i just cant wait.

[bioshock]

Fuvk off Edge

[Sephiroushin]

Look in metacritics they recollect all reviews from other website and calculate the percent to do a review. Looks they don't like mgs series at all.

[Michael Jackson]

EDGE
Extreme Douchebag Gamers Everywhere

[TheXgamerLive]

as stated, the video footage is 1/2 the game play time.

Some people don't wanna watch a movie w/very little game play, but again it makes sence as the only strength of the ps3 is it's video capabilities w/Blu Ray and not game play, so there had to be massive fillers.

Me, I'd rather have an ultimate gaming machine like the Xbox 360.
Don't get me wrong, MGS4 is a very good game I'm sure, it's just not what you all thought it would be, is it?
The others who have given it a higher score, lol, well that's for viewship/readership.

I guarantee, the highlights of the game that you'll all be talking about when it comes out will be the video's:)) Betcha!

[LTC]

Mate this game as 29 hours playtime minus cutscenes. It wouldnt be stated as the best game ever on some sites for no reason.

[Jeppe]

XGamer, why bother posting a comment on a game that will never come to your console?

[Apostle]

"RED ALERT!"

"Aye captain."

I'll be buying this whatever the score. It's the first PS3 game I've been interested in since, dunno actually, UT3? Now, that was money wasted.

[Ikanago]

get what they didn't like about the game. Other than the fact that there are long cut scenes and the story can be hard to grasp.

Oh wait...these two points have been consistent (love it or hate it) throughout all the MGS games.

Plus, I doubt MGS4 will have a worse or more convoluted story than Indy 4! Lol

[Apostle]

Now that was a crazy film! I mean, I loved it, but if it was any other film with the same story, and no Indy, I think I'd of given it a 3/10. Maybe that's a little harsh, but anyway, Harrison Ford kicks arse and saved the film.

[Tmac]

Giving the the MGS Saga an Invisible ceiling is a really dirty thing to do, especially because I was really hyped up from their preview which said that MGS4 is one of the most amazing games of this generation, and then comes this a 8/10 review. Whatever, Gaming Journalism is dead, it's hilarious how everything is subjective, and an opinion now, it used to never be like that, you'd rate the product not give into bias.

[avacadosnorkel]

some people don't like classic old movies either.

[Vitalogy]

the thing is, i'll not rate, low, an old movie just because i don't like it. i'd rather not even rate it

[Destructor]

LOL, this is a B quality game. Live with that people.

[jackdoe]

You enjoy spamming MGS reviews huh? Even used the same comment from the Eurogamer review. Sigh. Reported and hopefully banned this time.

[bioshock]

they only give 10 to those who bribe them......

[Mikey Mike]

GTA IV deserved a ten. How many Next Gen Games offer so much in one package. Anyhoo, Metal Gear has always been driven by a huge amount of cut scenes and little game play since it came to the PS One. Konomi even went as far to ask reviewers not to mention the length of the cut scenes, I wonder why? I am a huge Metal Gear fan, but it was never really about the game play, its always been the story, so maybe they gave it an 8 because it lacks depth in the gaming aspect.

[n00bPwner]

Even I know an 8 is too low for an MGS game. 8 would be considered a HIGH score for kiddy big pedophile or lesbian sword 2 or something.

[Rhezin]

Will Slay this games and get a 9.5, I'll bet you anything.

[SpecialSauce]

Yea thats why when evo i play gow (which i always say is a good game) and too many explosions go off the game starts to lag because that weak a$$ lil Gaybox cant handle it. Ultimate gaming machine? i dont think so. The PS3 is an ultimate ENTERTAINMENT machine. MUCH MORE prestigious than an ultimate GAMING MACHINE. SONY always aims higher and tries to make it's product more than just a toy and makes it fun 4 da whole family. Mean while MS tries only to make a good gaming machine and they cant even get that done right.
PS3 has
1. more pwr
2. better graphics
3. a bigger affordable package
4. better games
5. free online
6. HD and Blu Ray movies
7. internet web browser
8. hardware that wont break down on you less than a year after you pay for it
9. better online gaming ( u know like 80 people online battles instead of...... u know ahhhh 16)
10. and on June 10th when 2.40 comes out we will have a better interface as well

[n00bPwner]

lmao, it must be nice to live in your little world!

[LuHawk]

PS3 aint got anything

[SpecialSauce]

i think all these critics are still getting bashed 4 giving GTA a 10/10 when it clearly did not deserve it and so now they dont want to get caught up in the hype agn so they are aiming low.

[Picnico]

Edge magazine gave Banjo Kazooie, a game that some people regard as the best 3D platform game ever, 8/10. They gave Super Mario 64 10/10.

I had more fun in Banjo Kazooie's worlds and fun is a big reason that can keep you going back to a game 10 years after it's been released.

[Millah]

Edge is too insignificant and not relevant for this review to matter. Who the hell listens to EDGE, let alone ever even heard of them before?

[PirateThom]

Edge is a very respected UK magazine, but they do tend to be harsh for many games, so it's easy to trust their reviews.

An 8 from Edge is a good score.

[1stKnighT]

I wonder if they gave a real honest review like Eurogamer and didn't leave out all the technical issues like the other reviewers did. But I will say EDGE is pretty harsh. Like somebody mentioned earlier, they gave Bioshock an 8.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Here's the thing.

GTAIV - Everyone HAD to give it a 10 or else they would be seen as a non-trustworthy review site.

MGS4 - It's a PS3 game. It's ohkay if you want to knock off a couple of digits.

[sleepbox]

Oh noooooooo!!!! It's a KONSPIRACY !!!!!!! EDGE is owned by MS!!!!! Seriously, how pathetic can you all be?

It's an opinion made by someone that has played through a game virtually NONE of you have and you are attacking him. Give me a break and grow up.

[Maverick_]

Facepalm.

It's still goin to have around a 9.6 on Metacrtic.

It's still my favorite series of all time.

8D

[Dark General]

That edge gave MGS4 a 8 to be honest. I thought it'd get a 9 since EDGE is a real hard ass on reviews (or at least used to be) but lately they've been giving out a few 10's. Like Halo 3, GTA4 and Orange Box to name a few along with Super Mario Galaxy. 8 is still a really good score from them though none the less.

[ps360fella]

people still read EGM? They got soooo SNoooOZE.

[Irishrocket69]

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

That's pretty low...and yes, I mean that in the conspiracy sort of way.

[SpecialSauce]

Nice to live in my little world to bad all that stuff is true and thats the only response u xbots have come up with beside PS3 aint got nothing.

[arika]

with a game as epic as mgs4, created by one of the best mind in the gaming industry, also has a native 720 resolution(unlike most of the perfect 10 games that we know) and was built from ground up for 4 years and to be given an average score is downright insulting but one thing we know for sure is we will know who is pro-ps3 and anti-ps3(just like eurogamer) and they take the cake being the no.1 haters of ps3 and mgs4 series and this also shows that they have no credibility whatsoever or they are just greedy bastards that doesn't care who they step on as long as they get the green bucks.
as for myself i'm not upset because i expected heartless reviewers like this to show up and here they are rearing their ugly heads or horns, however you might look at it.
alrighty just game on you dudes and enjoy the best game of the century and that is mgs4!!! nuff said!!! peace ya all!!

[interrergator]

well noone plays gta anymore and ppl are gona b more on this game but i doubt its gona sell kuz there are a bunch of haters of ps3 out there

[IQUITN4G]

If Edge gave an 8/10 then it is likely a really good game.It's probably not one of the worlds best ever created games is all.

Galleon got a 7/10 and it's one of my most adored games for xbox

Bioshock 8/10 was a little bit generous i thought but it did show how fairly ridiculous all those 10's were frankly

Gears got an 8/10 and it's a wonderfully playable game yet some would say that was a 10/10 game also - nah maybe the sequel

I own the latest GTA but have yet to really play more than some 10 or so missions.I would say though that i agree about GTA being worthy of a 10/10.Massive sandbox and great story etc, it's a monster package offering tremendous value and immersion but i'm unlikely to ever really bother with it and would rate it on the amount of fun i will have as a 6/10.

I don't always agree with their views but i trust them over lesser mags.

Intelligent mag that knows their sh!t, saying Edge has got the review wrong is fairly silly actually as it's not often easily swayed unless a game is exceptional

[jax07]

You must be confused, I will repeat, reviews are not opinions. Personal opinion has no place in a review. This is not a movie review, you are reviewing a working product, not a piece of art in the traditional since, a WORKING product. The score you give a game comes from it's ability to do what it is expected to do and how well. You are right in the fact that there is no set of rules to judge by because the games come with their own. Thats what you judge it by, not what you think, what the game does based on the rules of that game.Also Yes if a reviewer doesnt like a certain part of a game they are too leave it out because the review is not about what they like or do not like it is about whether or not the game preforms well. No one cares if a reviewer doesnt like cut scenes it is irrelevant. We read reviews to see how well games preform not what a reviewer would liked it to have been or that non fans of the series wont like it, how the hell do they know that. Last I knew telepaths dont really exist so for a reviewer to say someone wont like is rediculous.

[ta1snake]

Stopped buying their mags long ago.

[Bunnyslippers]

...when it comes to game reviews.
Example http://img.photobucket.com/... Edge just doesn't have respect for readers, when they put this in there magazine.

Their rating/scoring system is just very flawed. This I think this is the only explanation.
They gave 'God of War 2' a 7/10, but the Conan game they gave the same score. It is very obvious 'God of War 2' is of better quality. And Conans gameplay was a rip off from GOW2. But you don't see that in the score Edge gave both games. This is why Edge rating/scoring system is just very flawed.

What I also don't like about Edge reviews is the sometimes very long introductions in a review. Keep the reviews to the point.

And yes, as has been said before. Edge also isn't immum to hypes. Just look at the Halo3 and GTA4 scores.

Only the hyped games (2 games above) get a very extensive review spanning multiple pages. Other games get a very small review with few explanations. This doesn't only apply to Edge.

I only buy Edge magazines for the exclusive stories, never the reviews. Reading the reviews only reminds me of how a bad Edge is at reviewing games.

[buffonegypt]

well for all the happy xbots here ..your best game Halo3 recevied some 8s too & got a met score 8.9 against 9.6 for MGS4 till now ..oh and many reviewers said that the game in HD looked like Halo 2 ..oh one more thing ..the 8s it got was from a xbots sites unlike MGS4 which got 8s from only Eurogamer which is run by xbots & EDGE which is Eurogamer if u dont know that ... You can find all that on Halo 3 reviews on N4G if u dont beleive

[hay]

I don't really care about it. I preordered MGS4 and gonna have a lot of fun with it. Loved previous MGS' and I'm pretty sure, that i'll love 4 also. It's all about personal preferences. All you crying fanboys, you'll still gonna buy the game so stop this god damned fanboy flame.

[rockleex]

No, just kidding.

But they probably put the wrong reviewers on the wrong games.

"Ooh! Lets put this platform games fanatic on the review for MGS4!! He'll surely give a fair review!"