Analyst: PS3 Install Base Too Small, Blu-ray to Smash HD-DVD

Dailygame discusses low software sales and the relatively small install base of the Sony Ps3 Console:

The install base of the PlayStation 3 is too small for some key developers' tastes, say analysts with theSimExchange, and the PS3 being the lowest-selling game system during the 2007 holiday season isn't likely to help matters.
In October and November, the first-person shooter market -- which analyst Jesse Divnich says can only support two premier titles at once under normal circumstances-- was dominated by The Orange Box and Halo 3 on Xbox 360, while November and December were dominated by Call of Duty 4 and Halo 3. On the PS3, however, The Orange Box saw particularly low sales.

"Unfortunately, the PS3 has such a small install base it is unable to successfully support two first-person-shooters in the same month," said Divnich. "This theory will likely hold true for other great titles under the same genre, with Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction cannibalizing each other's sales in December."

[Meus Renaissance]

Naturally, with any platform, the userbase grows in time. Whether due to price, or software or just time, the amount of players/owners of a console grows. It's simple logic. For example, they'll be a large comparable difference between the user base of this console after MGS4 is launched than say 5 months ago.

However, the peculiar and illogical subject is the lack of exclusives really selling that well on the platform. Whereas something like Assassin's Creed and COD4, who've actually sold more in some regions e.g. Europe than on the Xbox 360, shows that the user base are gamers although with the slow sales of games like Uncharted, whom we all wanted to hit 200K every week for example, didn't. So - what we could argue here is exactly what genre of games do PlayStation 3 owners want?

But to argue that games do not sell on the platform is contradictory to the success Ubisoft and Activision have had on the platform. Hopefully we'll see better software rates as time goes on but I suspect that the Xbox, due to the majority of its hardcore gamers, will have the upper hand in terms of attachment ratio for some time yet.

[marinelife9]

I didn't buy Orange Box for PS3 because of what fat @$$ Gabe Newell said about the console. I picked up UT III instead.

[mikeslemonade]

Obviously by key developers they mean EA, Ubisoft, Capcom etc. The games are still coming except they're being ported and their are major exclusives coming 2008 through 2009 for PS3, so it won't matter if "key" developer don't develop for PS3. By 2009 the PS3 will have tied the 360 or surpassed 360 in install base. Don't believe me? If you look during the beginning the of the year the 360 was outselling PS3 in NA and Eur now Eur and Japanese sales alone are large enough to push PS3 worldwide sales ahead of 360 sales by 60,000 units every week. That gap is only going to get larger.

[TheTwelve]

Sure, the PS3 install base is small. It's barely a year old. But by the end of 2008, people are going to see a PS3 that is ready to wipe out even the Wii's installed base.

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[poos3]

confirmed as he said the ps3 IS TH ELOWEST SELLING SYSTEM in 2007i repeat no tmy words his THE PS3 IS LOWEST SELLING GAME CONSOLE OF 2007 AND THIS IS coming from the simexchange which is a very reliable source for electronic sales

[Orange]

i didn't read the article, but the recap reads ridiculous. PS3 has an install base that almost exactly matches XBox360 the year before, and the 360 had no problems with sales of Gears and Rainbow Six, GRAW 2. PS3 just has an attach rate problem. Why? No idea. Maybe we're less rabid than the 360 owners, or not as dedicated to our console.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

These games will still go ahead and sell 3 or 4 million so who gives a shi....

[DARKKNIGHT]

the attach ratio will be an issue if its not adressesd by this year.
frankly, this shouldnt be of concern anymore in 2008 and beyond. sony can now finally focus all their attention on gaming now that the format war is practically over.

[nicholascage24]

PS3 was outsold by x360 or any other console in the market only if you take the American and the Canadian sales into account.

However in terms of global sales xbox 360 is the worst selling console of 2007

@wageslave

Those are the UK numbers. xbox 360 is doing quite decent in UK. Uk and Australia are the only european/PAL territories where xbox 360 is doing well.

look at the overall european numbers here

PS3 125,196 3,654,894
PS2 122,242 45,954,363
PSP 111,941 10,893,457
xbox 360 88,916 5,337,682

http://www.vgchartz.com/ehw...

@wageslave

North American market is bigger than other markets but not COMBINED

PS2 sold most in europe (around 50m units vs 45m in north america).

North american market is around 45% of the other 2 markets combined.

Please dont be fanboyish like TANOD /ZHUK.

please be factual

If you are taking worldwide sales then xbox 360 is the loser.

If you are taking north american sales then ps3 is the loser.

I meant no offence to you. please dont be agitated

xbox 360 is around 16 million . PS3 is around 9m ( i kinda trust Vgchartz on this but not FULLY)

[wageslave]

"However, the peculiar and illogical subject is the lack of exclusives really selling that well on the platform. Whereas something like Assassin's Creed and COD4, who've actually sold more in some regions e.g. Europe than on the Xbox 360,"

You just keep talking out your arse dont you?

From this story (currently on N4G's frontpage):
http://n4g.com/News-99769.a...

Top Ten in the UK:

01 [360] Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare (Activision)
02 [NDS] Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
03 [NDS] More Brain Training from Dr Kawashima (Nintendo)
04 [WII] Big Brain Academy : Wii Degree (Nintendo)
05 [WII] Super Mario Galaxy (Nintendo)
06 [360] Assassin's Creed (Ubisoft)
07 [NDS] Cooking Mama DS (505 Games)
08 [NDS] New Super Mario Bros. (Nintendo)
09 [PS3] Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare (Activision)
10 [PS3] Assassin's Creed (Ubisoft)

Where exactly are you getting your numbers from pal. Please, quit talking out your anus.

@1.8:

Well, the American market *DOES* exist doenst it? And, it happens to be larger than EU and Japan combined -- so, to try and ignore it for the purpose of making bullshiat fantasy-land comments like yours, just makes you look truely desperate.

No matter how you slice it, Xbox 360 consoles and titles were more than half of the planet's sales for 2007. And, the Xbox 360 has more than twice the world-wide install base.

And there is zero reason to think that wont remain the same in 2008. ZERO.

[TheTwelve]

ZERO?

Not, not zero.

1. Blu Ray won, making the PS3 so much more attractive.
2. PS3 has historically its best franchises coming out this year.
3. 360 will never beat the PS3 in worldwide sales ever again, and I predict that the PS3 will tie the 360 in total American sales this year.

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[poos3]

@nicholascagedriod
HAHAHAHA U POST vgcharts ??? plz u driods need to try harder last time the vg chart shorted the 360 cell by 200.00k units and boosted the ps3 sales until npd came out then they had to change it have u noticed ur sonysriod CHUMS have stopped posting npd these analyst no more about the business than ur fonydriod brain and vgcrapcharts that 1s yupon a time u sony droids claimed was crap also remember that time kid?

[BrianC6234]

"I didn't buy Orange Box for PS3 because of what fat @$$ Gabe Newell said about the console. I picked up UT III instead."

That's a big reason I didn't buy it either. Also, I have HL2 on the PC and really, it bored me. I don't get what the big deal is about that series. It isn't for me at least.

I didn't buy Assassin's Creed either. Until yesterday that is. Target has it on sale right now for the PS3 and 360 for only $38. If the Orange Box goes down to that cheap then I might change my mind.

The truth is, when you're paying $60 a game you aren't going to buy every game that comes out. I look at things like too much hype like Assassin's Creed and comments made by people like Gabe Newell. He should have kept his big trap shut. I know a lot of PS3 gamers read what he said and decided against the Orange Box.

[lawman1108]

1.45 million Xbox 360 consoles sold in Dec

According to simExchange's predictions, they believe the Xbox 360 sold 1.45 million consoles in December with the Wii moving 1.73 million and the PS3 selling 854,000 consoles. And if their estimates are correct, then we must give the 360 a pat on the back for keeping its distance from the PS3 and closing the gap on Wii sales, even if there were "shortages". Continuing our look into the simExchange's crystal ball of December sales we see that over 1 million copies of Call of Duty 4 on the 360 were sold and over 500,000 copies of Mass Effect flew off shelves. Overall, it is predicted that the industry as a whole will see a sales record in December with $2.48 billion in software sales. Make the jump to read simExchange's December video game sales predictions as well as their optimistic view on the PS3 and Blu-ray. You know, because Blu-ray is teh hawtness right now. Feel free to openly weep now fan douches.

[fusionboxer]

Is that analysts say the ps3 has an install base that is "too small" for developers tastes, but they don't mention or quote anyone.

Sure the ps3 has the smallest install base out right now, but what's small? Is over 3 million small? Sure it may not be up to the same level as the other consoles out right now, but to think that developers would actually say i'm not making a game for that console because the install base is only about 3 million large is ridiculous.

Back in the days of the xbox team ninja supported the xbox despite the small install base and we got some great games. We got Ninja Gaiden, we got halo, we got pgr, we got forza. I mean most of those were 1st party or published by MS, but what's the difference now? More people play games then ever before and developers should take advantage of that.

Like Hayashi of Team ninja stated:
Other developers are afraid to release crappy products so they use the excuse of a small install base as a defense. It's pathetic and annoying as hell. Have confidence in your product and realize that it's because of your games that people buy systems. (Yea his words might have been a tad nicer, but that's the translation).

[Fat Bastard]

Dudes, the PS3 outsold the 360 this last holiday season, and you all know it. And is 9 million in 1 year compared to 16 million in 2 years really that bad? No, and since the PS3 has already outsold the 360 in Europe and Japan total, it is doing very well. I know America is another thing, and I know it is much larger then Europe and Japan, but you have to be fair and at least say the PS3 is doing quite well. I personally think the PS3 will do some damage in 2008, but even for now, the PS3 has a good install base. And I'm not posting this towards Menus Raisannce, I am to all you who think the PS3 is sucking, cause it's not.

[Ju]

I don't know, why people still believe the US market is bigger then EU. It's not any more. 490M people live in the EU compared to 300M in the US (July 2007). The buying power in some eastern regions of the EU needs to increase (or catch up to the western levels), but it will happen and is steadily growing. Sooner or later the EU market is about twice as big as the US. The over all numbers this year showed, that the market could pretty much keep up with the US market. This is probably also the reason, why MS themselves have put an emphasis on the European market - with lower success, though.

[LastDance]

Wageslave. how many of that install base have returned/repaired consoles.
Theres nothing to be gloating about my friend.

Very very embarrasing.

[klashawnd]

The reason why Orange Box got low sales on the PS3 is because hardcore gamers knew it was a broken product with frame rate issues and was destined to be a shi++y port as EA was in charge and not Valve. So basically it was a bad product and who in their right mind is going to buy a bad product for the PS3 when they can get the same great product on the 360 and PC?

This is setting up to be Sony's year with the Blu-ray format win, Home, LBP, MGS4, etc. but if they don't capitalize on it then it's all over and they are destined to be 3rd this generation. And they will have no one to blame but themselves (and Bill Gates' extremeeeeeely deep pockets).

[wageslave]

I wouldnt write-out HD-DVD just yet. It has 85% of the computer market, its going to stick around a long while.

There are more HD-DVD drives (not stand-alone (including the PS3) mind you) in existence than their are BR.

Further, who cares about HD-DVD *or* BR movies? The world is *DIGITAL DOWNLOAD*. There will not be another widespread format.

@2.8:
"Apple has gone to the Blu-Ray side now releasing iMacs and other Apple computer products with blu-ray drives strictly."

Jesus, F-ing christ -- who cares about Apple? They are less than 3% of the world's PC industry. They mean NOTHING.

@2.9:

"Xbox 360 is the lowest selling console in 2007 "

On WHAT planet do you live? Worldwide, Sales are Wii, Xbox 360 and then PS3 in third.

What *are you talking about*?

[Silvanos]

"The reason why Orange Box got low sales on the PS3 is because hardcore gamers knew it was a broken product with frame rate issues and was destined to be a shi++y port.."

I agree 100%

I was waiting to get this for the PS3 but when all the reviews started saying it was a bad port I went and bought it for the 360.

[TheExecutive]

there are definitely other uses that HD-DVD can be used for... as for movies, I think they are done.

[mboojigga]

The reason it got low sales is the same reason the majority of the games have had low sales....It is a BR player first in the majority of owners eyes and that it offers gameplay option. Meaning most people who actually own a PS3 are just movie buffs. Thats your excuse about hardcore users not buying Orange Box. But what is the excuse for Uncharted(great game by the way), Rachet, countless other games that have came to the system. All over the world software wise the PS3 is being beat. So bragging about 1 game in the top 10 doesn't make much sense. How long do we keep saying well we need to wait on the install base. Wasn't the case with the 360 that sold more software than both the Wii and PS3 combined for 07.

I notice you don't mention the other issues that really are a concern for owners and that is not being able to play your games in hi-def. Some owners do not have 720P capable displays. They are not going to bother to upgrade when the 360 does all the resolutions. Too many issues and excuses that keep coming up about this system. The competition clearly has gamers buying games vs movie buffs being converted in to gamers for the PS3.

[IntelligentAj]

The problem with DD is the bandwidth. You know how long it'll take to download an HD movie now? I highly doubt that anyone is arguing that it's not the future(because it is when speeds improve) but not now. The majority of people won't wait 6-7 days(maybe longer) to download a movie.

[poos3]

LETS NOT FORget they said the ps3 is the lowest selling console this year meaning it came last in hard ware sales confirmed .

[bym051d]

Of course you wouldn't write-off HD-DVD, Wageslave. You're an XBOX fanboy mark.

You probably were trumpeting how the original XBOX was going to destroy the PS2, up until the day the 360 came out.

Oh, but that's right, Blu-ray and HD-DVD don't matter. It's all about Digital Distribution. I bet it wouldn't be about DD if Blu-Ray had been the loser.

[Ashta]

What is this 85% your talking about?

Apple has gone to the Blu-Ray side now releasing iMacs and other Apple computer products with blu-ray drives strictly.

Dell has been shelving out blu-ray writable and readable drives in their XPS, Optiplex, and upgradable to be included in Inspirion for months now.

The only company that has been a good supporter of HD-DVD readable drives is HP and they offer both formats to be included. Blu-Ray pretty much has the PC/Apple market cornered so I don't see where you pulled your number from. Oh wait....

[nicholascage24]

again you are being fanboyish

Xbox 360 is the lowest selling console in 2007 . However PS3 is the lowest selling console in North america

[monks]

you seem to be forgetting in the PC market

HP, Dell, Acer, back blu-ray aswell as apple so i think the pc area they have some good ground

i think 38%+ helps and thats with 3 of the main companys

toshiba only have 4.1% of the market share i an bit sure who else is ther backer so i am sure it is higher than that but i think Blu ray has the edge

http://arstechnica.com/news...

http://www.trustedreviews.c...

http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/ne...

http://www.blu-raydisc.com/...

[BrianC6234]

From what I've read the problems with the PS3 version of the Orange Box are exaggerated. There are some minor framerate issues but nothing to keep you from playing the games. It looks like EA did a decent job. For a port that is. That's the problem though. I don't really feel like wasting much money on games that are ported to the PS3. They won't use much of the PS3's power.

[sak500]

@klash: "- Bad comparison...
The reason why Orange Box got low sales on the PS3 is because hardcore gamers knew it was a broken product with frame rate issues and was destined to be a shi++y port as EA was in charge and not Valve.

So what about COD4 on ps3? Was it broken too?
01 [360] Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare (Activision)
09 [PS3] Call of Duty 4 : Modern Warfare (Activision)

[Fat Bastard]

Dudes, lets leave Jesus out of this, no need to get mad and throw his name around. And as a side note, everyone saying the 360's install base is twice the PS3's is wrong. Last time I checked, 16 million wasn't more then twice as much as 9 million, so stop lying boys.

[light]

These analyst needs to go to school

[jorellpogi]

Those analysts lacks common sense.

[wageslave]

You PS3 fans just make me giggle:

Low PS3 reviews: "oh, MS buys reviews"
Sony CAUGHT trying to buy reviews: "oh, everyone does it"
Developers say PS3 is a bad design for game programming: "Developers are lazy"

And now:

Analyst says Pubs/Devs worried about low install base: "oh, the analysts are stupid"

Hey kids, its easy for ANYONE who can read to understand. Pubs/Devs make money on unit sales. The Xbox 360 has the highest per-console attach rate and more than twice the install base. What PART OF THAT requires an "analyst" at all to understand?

CLEARLY Developers and Publishers would be worried about releasing games on PS3.

Multi-platform games perform better, have more features, get better reviews and cost less to produce (due to the great developer-centric design of the Xbox 360) on the Xbox 360.

The only reason PS3 has any exclusives is because Sony is giving them something (Direct $? Marketing Budgets? Royalty discounts?) -- it just DOES NOT MAKE SENSE to release PS3 exclusives.

The Xbox 360 has _unprecedented_ developer support. PC Devs are moving their titles to the Xbox 360.

Want proof? Look here:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[name]

Most PS3 owners didn't buy the orange box because 1. it's a crappy port. 2. Gabe newells comments. I don't see how he said the console is a waste of time and then gets surprised when his team didn't even "waste their time" on actually making the version themselves. Funny how they didn't mention Call of duty 4 or Assassin's creed's sales.

[fenderputty]

They claim that no more then one shooter can survive on the low PS3 userbase. They use poor Orange Box sales to prove this. They totally forgot about UT3 though. There were acutally two shooters doing well at one time. It was the third one that got left out.

[kingnick]

Newell's entitled to his opinions as are you to yours.

Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare and Assassin's Creed came out months after Newell made his comments.

[Lord Cheese]

i think you're assuming that a lot of ps3 owners know who gabe newell is, which i think is something of a stretch. I really dont think that makes that much of a difference except to the hardcore/dedicated gamers who pay attention to the gaming press.

[Snukadaman]

But forget too mention ultimate tournament 3's terrible sales as well....you cant mention orange boxes sales without mentioning how well it did on the xbox 360...first week sales for orange box on the xbox 360 was 300K...its at 462k...161K for a install base of 3 1/2 million consoles in america is way below projected sales ..and anyone who says the ps3 is keeping up with the xbox's first year sales are lying too themselves....at 4 million xboxes they managed too sell 600K copies of gears of war in the first week and managed too sell 1.1 million in 3 weeks..theres no excuse that games like uncharted or even ultimate tournament 3 should do better or even surpass either mark...as a developer you look at those sales and figure if it sells best on first day release..then the rest of the weeks what you sell is icing on the cake.

[games4fun]

gabe said that crap and EA was making the game i decided to buy UT3 instead and i did so i know at least one sale was lost by me

[lawman1108]

COD4 on 360 = 2 million plus PS3 =713,000 Assassins creed on 360 = 1.5 Million on the PS3=602,667 Guitar Hero II 360=1.4 Million on the PS3 =419,832 Who would you make a game for if your money were on the line? The 360 sells games. PERIOD.

[fenderputty]

UT3 was also available during this time period. There were three shooters and not two. Orange Box, Cod4, UT3.

[killer_trap]

it's annoying when a third party publisher releases garbage and expects it to sell.

now i know how a Wii fanboy feels like,

[stennexxx]

UT3 had a lot of people even the COD4 guys said that they had to service their servers because of the overload of new players on the PS3. This is 2008 lets cut the bull. Everyone buy what they like and want.

[mboojigga]

Wait until NPD releases it software sales. UTIII is not selling. You saw Dec 07 sales right? Right?

[Xbox is the BEST]

The install base of the PlayStation 3 is too small for some key developers' tastes, say analysts with theSimExchange, and the PS3 being the lowest-selling game system during the 2007 holiday season isn't likely to help matters.

Where is NPD numbers?

[poos3]

YUP u notice the teolls ignroe that comment its confrimed THE PS3 IS THE lowest selling consle 2007 that is why this site is hididng the npd results and now using vgcharts hahahaha i repeast the analyst's say the ps3 is the lowest selling console in 2007.

[Ashta]

Except you fail to point out that the PS3 continued to outsell the 360 worldwide for the entire holiday season?

You forgot all about that right? Right?!

[nicholascage24]

but PS3 is the lowest selling in north america .

However expect that to change this year for sure

[BestGamerAlive]

oh he had a fluke year and beat a fluke bears team 2 win the super bowl!!! XBOX is dead!!!!! just like hd dvd!!!!

PLAY BEYOND 360 is dead u xbox boylovers Mass defect sucks gears is garbage an gaylo is 4 u gay boylovers PS3 we the best

[Shadow Flare]

When you align the ps3 and 360 launches, the ps3 has outsold the 360 in the relative time period, as of now. What was this guy expecting, that the ps3's userbase should be where the 360 is right now? No-one expected the ps3 to have a huge install base within its first year, especially with that price tag. And developers like Square Enix and Konami know that. Whats it matter anyway, ps3 has been outselling 360 globally for quite a while now

[wageslave]

"When you align the ps3 and 360 launches, the ps3 has outsold the 360 in the relative time period, as of now."

No. The Xbox 360 outsold PS3 in 2007.

"Whats it matter anyway, ps3 has been outselling 360 globally for quite a while now."

WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT? This is totally inaccurate. Care to provide a link to support that? A link that is *NOT* vgchartz or consolewarz or N4G-sony-fanboy-central?

Get real.

[Shadow Flare]

You didn't read my comment right. The first part of my comment refers to this:

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

As for the second part of the comment, id like to know what your problem with vg chartz is. I know they're not 100% accurate but they show the general trend in which the consoles are going, and they're usually fairly accurate. I also don't know of any official worldwide sales sites (NPD is just USA) and im not lame enough to sift through that crap myself. However since you're lame enough, maybe you could enlighten me and prove me wrong. But i just ran a quick search on n4g for yours truly, vgchartz, and guess what.....

January 5th - http://www.n4g.com/industry...
December 29th - http://www.n4g.com/industry...
December 22nd - http://www.n4g.com/gaming/N...
December 15th - http://vgchartz.com/weekly....
December 8th - http://www.n4g.com/News-928...
December 1st - http://vgchartz.com/weekly....

5 of those weeks ps3 outsold 360

The 1 week 360 outsold ps3, it was a minimal difference

And the most recent results show that the gap has been getting wider from ps3 and 360 sales. PS3 is catching up, face it

[titntin]

I do so hate these US-centric analysts who think the worlds markets begin and end with the NA market.
The NA market is roughly 36% of the world wide market.
In that market only, PS3 sales were lower than its main rival.
In the other 2/3rds of the sector, they were higher.
To make sweeping statements suggesting that developers will base their views on 1/3rd of the market is sheer US arrogance of the worst kind.
Many developers base their development efforts with a keen eye on the European markets, and many of the best world wide developers are obviously keen on the Japenese markets. Which makes his staements and reasoning completely false.

[wageslave]

"The NA market is roughly 36% of the world wide market. "

Care to provide some evidence for your BS?

[lawman1108]

Get you facts right. It is THE most important market in the world, some of you people live in "country's" that are not even as big as most states. The NYPD has a police department bigger then some Armys so YOU get over YOURSELF. To think the NA market is not the most important is just stupid. You can not win if you can not win NA

[Ju]

I agree. If you want to sell globally, you cannot ignore the PS3. Example: AC now sold thru more total units in "other" territories on PS3 then 360 - with a roughly 1.6M smaller install base (BTW: both ~1M, with a slight lead of PS3). This gap will grow as soon as the install base is on par and even grow when PS3 will have the lead. UC beat even shooters this week in Europe, shooters like CoD4 - on both, 360 and PS3 (sure, its not the holiday season, but still).

Maybe the US market is significant. True. You can make a lot in the US alone. But you can't win on a global market. This time is pretty much over (and, btw, no matter how big the police department is in NYC).

[LastDance]

ha ha ha...Americans crack me up so much!

Get real. Your not as important as you wish you were.

[eagle21]

who cares? There are plenty wii and 360 third party that got bitten by COD4 and AC or Galaxy. But time moves forward. UT3 is way better. And this is only adding NA. With about 3.5 million PS3's.

[mboojigga]

Then don't be shocked by UT3's sales when they release it for Dec. I expect them to be low. Uncharted still isn't selling. Rachet?
Pretty much the games that are actually selling is R-FOM after a year(my god) and Motorstorm(packaged with 80gigs)

I don't know why anyone here or on the internet thinks developers will simply stop developing for the 360 as their main system with sales like they have done.

[eagle21]

You don't have a clue that worldwide sales matter MOST. Don't even bring up the gaming excellence of Uncharted which will easily sell well over a million AND has a sequel in development. Jak and Daxter grew just like Uncharted. The 360 won't see outselling PS3 worldwide, no 08' week. PGR4 (did u forget?) flopped on 360 (150k) last I checked.

[Ko_Uraki]

The truth is that PS3 wins only in the "predictions".
If we talk about real things, PS3 is struggling like the Gamecube and the first XBOX.
UTIII and Orange Box are two gigaflops.
Only COD4 and Assassin's Creed (that sold 1/3 of the XBOX360 versions) did quite well.
Uncharted, which is considered by sony fanboys one of the best game ever made, sold poorly too. I don't understand why we should think that the 2008 line-up should do better numbers.

[LastDance]

metal gear solid .. grand turismo ... home .... LBP.....FFX1V11(wat ever)
the fact the ps3 is selling more units now....is reliable...

are those good enough reasons?

[Skerj]

I thought common sense was a key component of being an analyst, apparently I'm wrong. Orange Box sales weren't high for the aforementioned reasons of it being a shoddy port and on a far far lesser scale, Gabe's comments toward the PS3. The main offender is probably the delay and the wealth of games that were out at the time Orange Box FINALLY released.

I own all 3 platforms it was released on, but I picked it up for PC firsthand. I don't remember any of these analysts a year and a half ago complaining about the 360's install base when it was around the same size. Fortunately for me, the PS3's base is large enough for the 30+ games I intend to pick up for it this year.

[jlytle1234]

you are one rich sob

[Skerj]

Nah I just pay bills one payday, and save the rest. Food, clothes, and entertainment from the next payday and the rest gets saved. Hell I saved myself like 100-120 bucks a week just by cooking instead of eating out for EVERY meal. Plan out the things you want ahead and it shouldn't be too hard to get them. You'll be living well within your means and still have money left over for unforseen occurances.

[Marceles]

*pats PSWii60"

[jlytle1234]

reply to 13.2
if you are single..good for you. live it up.
if you are married. youre a God of finances and your wife is awesome.

[Death]

It just isn't as good as the 360 version. That doesn't mean it is not a great game. It's this mindset that is killing PS3's software sales. For many people, it's "the best or nothing". This isn't a healthy way to approach support of a game console. Lair is a great game, but people don't buy it because they were told it sucked. The controls take getting used to. A learning curve is not necessarily a bad thing. People want innovation, but they don't want to support innovative games. Doesn't make sense to me.

-Death

[klashawnd]

Death your points are valid but I don't buy a game for the console I buy a game for the GAME. If the game is better on the 360 then I will buy it for the 360. If it is on par with or better on the PS3 I will buy it for the PS3, very simple. Only exception will be GTA4 as I can't see myself playing it on anything other than my PS3 and could care less for the downloadable content.

[Ju]

I personally see no reason to give Gabe my money, which is according him a waste of time. I personally think there are so many good games out there for the PS3 that I see no urge to do so. (and, if I see some of the comments in here, I am not alone).

[Mr Tretton]

To: Ko Uraki

Because there is a larger line-up of more anticipated system selling games in 2008, which you are obviously quite ignorant about.

[mboojigga]

The same thing was said about 07. I guess we will see. If MGS 4 doesn't actually sell well as much hype that has been talked about here. You can put a fork in it about sales expectation of PS3 games.

[name]

Shooters that have survived on the PS3:

Resistance: Fall of man
Warhawk
Call of Duty 4
Unreal Tournament 3

?

[mboojigga]

And none of those games have ever seen the #1 position in the sales chart. What is odd is only 1 game that is multi is seeing the top 10 charts. Oh my bad anther multi is AC and when we do see it on the charts the 360 is selling better than it.

[kingnick]

Resistance has sold very well (largely thanks to bundling and reduced prices), Warhawk has sold decent numbers but not great. CoD4 has sold well but better on 360 and if early indications are to be believed UT3 is struggling.

All in all an average result.

[Ashta]

I think I've figured out why the vitiriol constantly spewed by fanboys like mboo is so rampant these days.

If the PS3 fails then the Xbox fans think that they will have access to all of the titles that the PS3 has going for its hype machine. they figure if the Ps3 does bad enough then MGS4, FFXIII, Little Big Planet, etc etc etc. will HAVE to go to the Xbox 360. The problem is that they aren't seeing the PS3 fading away or sinking in to oblivion like they had hoped so they're starting to get a little angry over it.

At the end of the PS3's first year (half year in Europe) we began to see a flood of good news for the PS3 and its adopters and it really got the Xbox fans in a big ole wad. So, they've added some gas to the hate machine and have fired it up to try and garnish negative public opinion for the PS3 once again. Too bad for them that nobody is really listening to them.

When you align the release numbers of the 360 and the PS3 you can see that in in the same amount of time the PS3 managed to sell slightly more than the 360 did in its first year, but it did it with only two markets available the full year (like I said, Europe didn't release until spring) and it did it having to compete with both the 360 and the Wii at the same time.

The 360 had NO market competition as a next-gen console its first year and still failed to oversell the PS3 in its first year despite the PS3 being largely counted out by the biased gaming community and having to compete against two competitors compared to the 360's starting ZERO competitors.

I could keep going, but its lunch time and i'll save the rest of my rant for later :P.

[kingnick]

After Bioshock (System Shock 2 for n00bs) and Halo 3 (not the second coming of Christ) I've had my full of hype, hype is in no way indicative of the quality of a game.

The PS3's LTD sales are good not great (look at the Wii by comparison).

Both the PS3 and Xbox360 had staggered launches so that's a moot point, if anything MS were at more of a disadvantage due to severe stock shortages for the first few months.

I’m in the backland known as Australia which didn’t see the 360 til March 06 and yet all the stores were still sold out on launch and for some time afterward in my area.

[TheTwelve]

Preach it, Ashta.

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[Snukadaman]

The ps3 was suppose too blow sales of the xbox 360 out of the water....with all the ps2 owners supposedly upgrading too the ps3...those hopes never happened...only with 2 price drops did the ps3 keep up with the xbox...and your little 'rant" is nothing more then a observation ashta...being the xbox 360 is my primary console of choice Im a xbox fanboy...I have no doubt that if the ps3 failed there is no way in hell I will be playing uncharted,ratchet and clank on the xbox 360...your dealing with people who are educated in exclusives on this website and in fact understand that...as with ultimate tournament 3 coming too xbox 360..im quite confident the same will be happening for MGS4...for konami too mention this would in fact put the ps3 version in some jeopardy with people who own both consoles....that cant be denied....so lets just wait until its released on the ps3 and watch in the coming months....

[LastDance]

mboojigga - thats because of the install base .. Gee i wonder whos going to sell more on the system. why dont you think before you post

[jlytle1234]

i owned cod4 for ps3 and took it back a week later because i got tired of sitting around trying to connect to a game. thats ridiculous activision. so i traded it for ut3 and found that it connects well..has a bit of lag and the vctf is boring as hell. the maps are huge and the vehicles are cool, but its only 8vs8. its too empty. i never played resistance multiplayer so i dont know if its any good. Now warhawk is the best freakin multiplayer game ive ever played. 16 on 16 with the new drop ship is fantastic.
edit: i wouldnt bother the orange box becaue i played half life 2 back when it first came out on pc and i think gabe is a douche and the game was ported by EA which spells doom for anything ps3 related.

[Ashta]

Sorry about your COD4 issues. A lot of people had to deal with that in the beginning but the good news is that the problem has sinced been fixed and connection issues are few and far between.

Aside from a single game where I had a little bit of lag in and out for about 30 minutes I haven't had a problem connecting since they fixed that issue. Plus, the matchmaking system has been sped up and streamlined so you can jump in to a game almost instantly now.

[The_Engineer]

you're missing out, right now it takes less than a second to find a match, no lag is the norm.

[jlytle1234]

i heard they were working on the ps3 connection issues...its a really fun game. maybe ill pick it up again used from gamestop so i dont risk losing anymore money...

[Snukadaman]

Dont you think your exaggerating some...a second too find a match?? And it seems the ps3 patch hasnt been released yet...how are those connection problems been resolved without the patch....lol

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

[name]

Unreal tournament 3 is multiplatform, it's on the PC. And the funny thing is, people used to complain about first party PS3 titles not selling. But now it's that multiplatform games don't sell. Which is ironic, because they do. What will people complain about next?

[kingnick]

Would you rather people say games don't sell period on the PS3?

PS3 games sell but often not as much as on competing consoles which is a big deal to developers.

[Mr Tretton]

mboo: "The same thing was said about 07"

No...it wasn't. Everyone was anticipating PS3's 2008 stuff in 2007. And only mentioning MGS4 is typical, it's not all about MGS4, just like the 360 wasn't all about Halo 3.

[AceLuby]

Unlike the 360 the PS3 caters to a wider audience than those that pick up every shooter that comes out on the system. What non-shooter game for the 360 has been at #1? Oblivion? Multi. AC? I don't think so, but also a multi. ME? Still shooter elements. Gears, COD, Halo, Bioshock, OB...

What's coming out this year for the exclusively to PS3?

-MGS4 - 3rd Person shooter / stealth
-Resistance 2 - FPS, sequel to best selling PS3 game + 60 person MP
-GT5 - Most anticipated racing game this year
-KZ2 - Another very anticipated FPS
-FFXIII - maybe not this year, but again, very anticipated JRPG

This is just a few of many anticipated games this year. Who cares if FPS's aren't doing as well as their 360 counterparts? PS3 owners didn't pick up a PS3 to play shooters (personally I'm not a huge fan of shooters, get boring fast), but they did pick one up to play MGS, GT5, or FFXIII.

Edit: This is a very very very small subset of a lot of varying types of games. If you think this is untrue you obviously don't come here often.

[kingnick]

AceLuby you bash the 360 for having top selling games that are shooters or contain shooting elements yet 3 of the 5 games you list are shooters or contain shooting elements.

That is a hypocritical claim no matter how you look at it.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

We already know PS3 fans don't actualy buy any games they are to busy buying copies of Spiderman 3.

[Ashta]

I have yet to purchase a copy of any of the Spider-man blu-ray discs.

I spent my money on 28 Weeks Later, RE: Extinction, Dracula, The Simpsons movie, and Wild Hogs.

not to mention the games I own: Warhawk, Assassin's Creed, Jericho, Call of Duty 4, Skate, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, Everyday Shooter, Pain, Blast Factor, and Motorstorm. Not to mention Burnout Paradise, Devil May Cry 4, Haze, and Little Big Planet are on pre-order.

So, gee, can't help but shoot your theory of PS3 owners not buying games full of holes.

[eddierivera]

The ps3 did better in sales over the holidays, and continues to do better since then,,,,, I like the xbox, but these analyst and scrotum sacks need to know where their place is. And thats out of video game journalism,, We the video game consumers know whats the deal, so hes writing a useless article,,, everyone already knows whats up,,,

[Bleucrunch]

I wont support valve after what that fat bear gabe said. Trashes sony and then releases a game for it.

[gnothe1]

you guys keep saying that Orange box didnt sell because of what gabe said an it was a broken port. now really, how many people actually knew what was said, an how many KNEW is was a PORT. the game didnt sale because you PS3 guys dony buy games!! i have had my my PS3 for about a year an i have bought about 7 games, but during the same time i have bought double that amount for my 360. i didnt buy UT3 because i fell it will be better on the 360 PLUS all my friends play on XBL. drakes an R&C aint my type of games. i like HS, but once i beat it theres wasnt enought to make my play it again!!

but anyway most of you guys have written off the 360 an said this is sony's year, but you same people forget to mention that GAMES havent been selling well on the PS3. example the PS3 is 1 year old in the US, how many 1 million sellers do the PS3 have. the 360 out sells the PS3 software an thats with really bad sales in japan.

[Bleucrunch]

I really cant stand people like you, the xbox has a one year head start on the ps3, ooooooooooof course you would have more games for it it has been out longer. Seems like you are really picky and think that M$ can do no wrong therefore you cant make any comments because they are already biased and dont poses a clear impartial view.

[Ju]

Do we need to just repeat what some good payed analysts say or do we try to use some logic here. The PS3 sold about the same as the 360 considering its install base. The 360 lives on its overhyped mega sellers but does average with all the others. The total numbers represent pretty well a direct relation between HW units sold to SW titles sold. Even in the US. In that respect I am wondering how some creditable source can be surprised, that you can sell about 1/3rd in SW on a platform which has about 1/3rd install base. (actually, the SW ratio is way higher then 1/3 - which actually shows more titles are sold per HW units). If you want to go a step further, then you would also take a look at the European market, where the over all SW sold on the PS3 already (!) surpass the 360 titles au contrair to the 1.6M lower install base, e.g. this week closely ahead, or they match, but hardly below.

I interpret these stories as fairy tales. Get real. It would be a bigger story to ask, why MS is not further ahead, despite their humongous line up last year, with their tons of AAA titles. So, I am very curious how they'll manage to survive this in 2008, with - and especially in the shooter area - three titles on the list, blowing all other out of the water, and possibly underlining the PS3 platform: MGS4, KZ2 and R2. I still want to see a bigger portfolio on E rated games, though. But, and this addresses the audience in here, the titles mentioned fall perfectly into this demographic here. So what's with these complains all the time.

[DeZimatoR]

So more than 9 million consoles sold in a year is bad? Ok...

Oh btw, since when was the PS3 the worst selling system in the holidays? As far as I know the PS3 sold 2 million units worldwide in that period, topping off the PS2 and 360, as well as the PSP too I believe, being only outsold by the Wii and the DS. Or is this guy talking about NA only?

Anyways, I'll laugh my ass off when the PS3 gets Killzone 2, MGS4, Resistance 2, Tekken 6, Gran Turismo 5, LittleBigPlanet, Socom: Confrontation, MotorStorm 2 and more and the 'competition' is stuck with Ninja Gaiden 1.5 and Halo Wars.

Oh yes I will!

[Fat Bastard]

Dude I totally agree with you. The day will come soon when home, in game xmb, and all those sweet games will be out and the 360 will start looking pretty crappy. I'll be laughing with you

[bruiser81]

The think the point this article is trying to make is extremely flawed. The wii is the #1 system in the world (the biggest userbase) but sell 3rd party software horribly. The ps3 may not yet be on par with the 360 when it comes to software sales but its ahead of the wii in 3rd party sales with COD4 and AC alone. Lets face it, at this point no matter what sony does they are going to be criticized. They were criticized for the price point then for their proce drops, then is was that they had no games now its "their games arnt selling", then for a cheaper sku with all the core funtions,. Most people love to jump on the bandwagon without being realistic, of course the 360 will be ahead its the oldest system. I also found it funny that just last week with wave of good ps3 news, there were those insecure gamers saying sony's momentom would be cut short by a 360 price cut, why would they need to if you sony sony isnt sompetition. now with this article spewing some negetive thoughts they are back on their superiority stool which tells me they dont beleive what they say, they just like the conflict.

just my 2 cents peace

[liquidsnake]

lol Ps3 wasn't the least selling machine during the holidays. Only 1.2millions were sold in USA. Sold about 30-60.000 units more then x360 world wide.

[nicholascage24]

It was the lowest selling in US but it easily trounced the xbox 360 in worldwide sales

[jlytle1234]

a few theories why the ps3 attach rate is low
1)some ps3 owners actually use the ps3 for bluray movies and not gaming
2)ps3 owners rent games versus buying them
3)ps3 owners buy more used games
4)ps3 owners do more than play games
5)ps3 owners do nothing except play the same game
6)ps3 owners prefer psn games to ps3 games
7)ps3 owners are older so their mommys cant buy them everything they want...

[Captain Tuttle]

That #1 is the correct answer. Everytime Sony sells a PS3 to someone who just wants it as a Blu-Ray player it hurts the gamers. Good for Sony, bad for us.

[jlytle1234]

whoever disagreed...if you had another reason please post. i cant obviously think of every possible reason.

[heyheyhey]

too small for key developers?

O RLY?????? is that why square-enix and rockstar are mainly backing the PS3(LA noire and rockstar western project both ps3 exclusive) not to mention that epic prefers the ps3 (mark reins words) because of the potential of its hardware (zhuk am cry), also lets not forget that sony is the fourth biggest publisher and owns many great developing studios( (insomniac and naughty dog for example) making them completely trump M$'s first party games (especially now that they have lost bungie and bioware and the only noteworthy IP's that they own are halo and fable)

most 360 exclusives are at risk of getting ported since most of them are owned by other publishers (many of who's developers prefer the PS3) and very few are solid exclusives, so don't be surprised if you see the likes of dead rising on ps3 (lets not forget that its published by capcom who are porting lost planet to ps3), mass effect, bioshock and even your almighty gears of war 2 is a possibility for the ps3 as long as M$ stop raping epic with money

many developers are saying that they are looking to make many ambitious projects for the ps3 now that its power is being unlocked by developing tools that allow more code to be shifted to SPU's of the CELL

if this guy is an analyst, then i am geroge fcuking clooney

[Eimmij]

and when did 8 million start being low install am i am not sure but i think ps3 is ahead of Xbox 360 year to date and oh yea i have a 360 also

[Wicked Sick]

Its so crappy made and the PC and 360 version is superior just becuase big ass Gabe hates PS3.

[AceLuby]

Make games more like High Velocity Bowling, include them w/ the price of a console and market the $hit out of it. I have a bunch of friends that wanted a 360 for 'real' games, but the gf wanted the wii for wii bowling. I told them about HVB on the PS3 and they didn't even know that was a feature or a game on PS3. They are now considering just getting that. If they marketed that feature more PS3's would fly off the shelf IMO.

[Skerj]

Totally freaking true!! My folks have a PS3 now and they both play the hell out of HVB, the custom soundtrack alone makes it awesome. They should install some PSN games on the hard drive and advertise like you said, I do believe MS still does this for the 360. The masses don't know about the PSN games until they purchase a PS3 or become well informed (how often does that happen?).

[Swatfish]

I thought PS3 sells arround 1.2 mio units in america.Worldwide PS3 outsold 360 by 100.000 units...everything a lie hmm?

[nicholascage24]

Simexchange is referring to north american sales in 2007 not Worldwide sales

[TheHater]

I don't think that 9 million unit sold in a year is too small. Oh and with a 500 dollar price tag.

[jcgamer]

and I will support it by purchasing the PS3 version of multiplatform games ALL YEAR LONG in 2008 to make sure that the PS3 gets the shine that it very well DESERVES...

[THUNDERMARE]

So what did they expect? the PS3 should sell 20 million on it first year?? even the wii cant even do that so what's the point of commenting on install base now? do those stuff next year.

[chrno6]

The xbox owners here had a preemptive strike and like to declare preemptive victiory. They declare victory before they lose. Bill Gates would sit in his office and said "Mission accomplished!"

[GodGinrai]

There as bad as each other and if you disagree with that then you are obviously are being biased,because you somehow feel offended by something a xbox fanboy said...would not affect you if you were`nt in some way a fanboy yourself.when the 360 does gets some good news the fanboys come out doing a victory dance and the ps3 fanboys egg it on .when the ps3 recieves good news the sony fanboys come out yellin "WTF im so amazed!....xbox1.5.. 640p...bhuueerrgh..now you`ll see what we knew all along blu ray FTW!"....(?) and the xbox fanboys get all salty.which is really childish.they(you?) are as bad as each other.if your over 18 and your postin fanboy trife you really need to take a long hard look at your self.Debate is good.flaming is just plain retarded .i hope you dont take offence to what i have posted...but then why would you...your not fanboys are you?

[Mr Marbles]

PS3 has not even hit 10 million yet, at this point in 360s life it was at 10.3 million, PS3 has not sold faster than the 360.

Also keep in mind that the 360 DID outsell the PS3 in 2007, the PS3 did not start to outsell the 360 until the last couple months in 2007, that was not enough to make up for the entire year of being outsold like crazy world wide. You guys sure forget reality quick when its not what you want.

[Shadow Flare]

lol shut up!!! I'll refer you to comment 9.2 whereby, you're wrong...Al

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

Secondly, i don't doubt that 360 sold more than ps3 last year in total. But ps3 outselling 360 in the last months of 2007 is pretty damn important, and its following through this year too

[Fat Bastard]

Dude, if the 360 had sold 10.3 million by this time last year, then it would have only sold 6 million this entire last year, which would mean the PS3 did outsell it by 3 million. Now I know that's not true, but the fact is that the 360 was only at about 7 or 8 million by this time last year, and I don't know if the PS3 did outsell the 360 this year, but your own facts would mean that you're wrong.

[CrazzyMan]

There is nothing even to comment what. Total bullshit.

Ok. 1st MONTH Gears of War sales:
usa - 1,315 mln. europe - 0,707 mln. Total 2,08 mln.
And that was EXCLUSIVE x360 game by that time.

1st month CoD4 x360 sales:
usa - 1,46 mln. europe - 0,57 mln. Total 2,03 mln.
1st month CoD4 ps3 sales:
usa - 0,48 mln. europe - 0,41 mln. Total 0,89 mln.

1st month AC x360 sales:
usa - 1,13 mln. europe - 0,57 mln. Total 1,7 mln.
1st month AC ps3 sales:
usa - 0,45 mln. europe - 0,55 mln. Total 1,0 mln.

[AIZEN SOZUKE]

do you people remember when Gears of War was originally supposed to release? it was November 17, 2005, the xbox 180 release date. hmm, and do you know what happened the extra year+ that the game was receiving the max that Epic Games could push out of the 180? Marketing to the 30th power, now, lets not forget when Gears of War first was shown off, this was before e32005, i remember on the internet seeing trailers, and articles on the game in development, and how it would be shown in e32005, so the game had a massive massive hype, now, think on how the game just happened to drop right on ps3s released date? and how the game was first postponed, then all of a sudden rushed to meet ps3s release date, that drop of the game was one huge reason ps3 started off selling low.

The next reason ps3s sales were slow, was because xbox 180 itself was marketed, and ps3 wasnt marketed, not on wii and 180s scale, sony just now has just started airing commercials, many people dont realize that every 180 game has marketing on larger scales than wii and ps3, especially HALO3 and Gears of War, Mountain Dew Game Fuel? dont get me started with Gears.

ps3 has one commercial marketing the ps3 itself

and the last thing is, the visuals of the maxed out one-eighty vs. first year ps3 beginnings.

Gears was released against ps3s worst, and the comments about the 180 being a little more powerful, and the ps3 and 180 being equal, and sony lied started looking true, and 180 fans talked into consumers ears like those statements were really true. So, the consumers started picking the HIGHLY-marketed 180 over the ps3 alot, well, until e3 2007 when sony showed the power of the ps3 with killzone 2, and a pricecut.

i have a question for 180 fans. What do you have in all truth to combat ps3s proven, and original franchises, unlike last years new IP's? (Note: Ratchet and Clank Future Tools of Destruction was basically a new IP) but really, what do you have? 180 and D1cksoft are like Master Chief with no shields, what does that mean? the last defenses of 180 are gone, which were:

1.Gears of War(Glitches of Ware)

2.Halo 3(or 2 HD)

3.Perfect Dark Zero(Why did i say this? Cause the main reason people were "First" intrigued about getting a 180 was cause they remembered how Perfect Dark original was a huge hit and success on N64, many people were sucked in just from this game)

4.Mass Effect

5.Too Human

6.Bioshock

and all others but Fable 2? LOL

about those bombs hitting a vulnerable nation:

1.FF13

2.FF13 Versus

3.Killzone 2

4.Eight Days

5.Wardevil

6.Drakes Fortune 2

7.Motorstorm 2

8.Resistance 2

9.Little Big Planet

10.GT5 Prologue

not long after

11.GT5

12.GTA4(why? its multiplat isnt it? right, but many are really looking to it for the original home of it, which is a playstation where it belongs, not a bribery scheme to get it to come over to the other box)

13.FarCry 2(its also on 180, but the ps3 can definitely run this level visuals better, so it will be purchased on ps3 more)

14.Home

15.Infamous

15.Yakusa

16.DMC4, you already know where the home is

17.Tekken 6

and who knows what else sony has cookin, theres no anti-nukes for 180, so tough luck,

and outta all that i forgot

1.Metal Gear 4

and Metal Gear online, which is a bundle, this will automatically sell several several millions,"what a deal"

so talk analyst, while you can, but 2008 and forward is ps3s

PLAY B3YOND

[Death]

First off, you lose any credibility when you can't even refer to a system by it's actual name. It's an Xbox 360, calling it a 180 isn't the best thing when many of PS3's third party offerings aren't even at the same level. Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are excellent gaming systems and both have their strengths and weaknesses.

The reason I gave you a disagree is because you are falling into the same trap that many PS3 fans seem to run into. I know it is hard to believe, but the Xbox 360 still has many more games coming for it.Why do people think devs aren't supporting the system in 2008 and beyond? Just because they had a great 2007 for software, doesn't mean they are done. Sony has some fantastic games coming out this year, but the biggest reason you are aware of this is because they don't have a ton of great exclusives out yet. They need to make the public aware of the upcoming games to keep them intereseted in the system. The Xbox 360 has a great catalog of games and needs to focus advertising/promoting the games that are out. Pushing next years games during a holiday when they are trying to sell todays games would be suicidal.

The PS3's biggest year should be this year. The games are finally coming out that show what the system can do and third party devs are getting better with cross platform games. DMC4 should be the first to really show this with near identical versions on both platforms. At the same time, the 360 has gone through 3 holidays already. That is a big headstart for a game system to have without a significant challenge on the software front. How many years do they need in the lead before they are a respectable competitor?

-Death

[Jandre02]

He has no numbers to support any of this. Assassins Creed had a higher attach rate than the 360. And, if selling 1.6million copies in 2 months is bad, then I am really confused.

Also, Uncharted's attach rate is HIGHER than Mass Effect. This article fails, and so do the idiots supporting it. I wish Xbox fanboys actually had facts to support these "PS3 is doing horrible" claims. Its the only positives they have after Halo. The Xbox360 begin its death this year,and in two years the next one will be released. These types of articles are CLEARLY based on selective sources that its funny now.

GIVE IT UP. Find something POSITIVE about the Xbox360. Because there is nothing but good news when it comes the the PS3 lately. The 360 just doesnt match up. And by the end of this year every advantage from pricing, to game lineup, to online services will be outshined by the PS3.

[djroberts]

"The Orange Box saw particularly low sales"

Are analyst so ignorant that they don't realize why the Orange Box didn't sell well? Users don't like half ass efforts that result in crappy framerates. It's time this industry throughout it's analysts and got some folks with heads on their shoulders.

[DFresh]

This guy hasn't read the sale charts has he
well...the PS3 sold 1.2 million consoles this Christmas putting them in second
Wii obviously took 1st because it's cheap but that'll change soon by this year 2008 and beyond the golden ages of the PS3 and winner of the console war.
360 dead last and I'm not just talking around the world I'm also talking in America too.

[robep3]

karlostomy ......LOL sounds like colostomy bag and like that he is full of sh1t HAVE A LOOK AT HIS BIO.

EXTRACT FROM THIS TWATS BIO!!!!!!!!!!

I am a gamer on PC, xbox.
Generally i am a fan of the 360 over the PS3, because the PS3 was overhyped to the extreme. HE'S NOT A 360BOT THEN LOL.
Your not a fan of the PS3 you DONT 4KING HAVE ONE !!!!!!

Rob.

[HondaSIRowner]

It will grow! 1.2mill from holidays! amazing titles to come! give it time!

PS3 already surpasses the 360's FIRST YEAR in units! Remember that!

The Exorcist:

Father Damien Karras: "Did you do that"

the evil:"Yes",

Damien: "Do it again"

Evil: "In time"

Damien: "no now"

Evil: IN TIME"!

[Rhythmattic]

One thing most people forget , the Pal version (Australia , NZ and Europe) was Released the end March 2007... Thats only 10 months for a Territory that makes up quite a large chunk of global Sales.

[espoac]

While what this analyst says is true, this really doesn't affect PS3 gamers. Almost all PS3 exclusives for 2008 are first-party, so we know they're staying exclusive. On top of that third-party exclusives have been dead for a while.

[sleepbox]

Agree with the article 100%...enjoy your movies on PS3 all day because it's really all you have to do on it while I will be playing the best console games available on the 360.

[Rattles]

but has ut3 launched out side of the USofA yet im in new zealand and have been waiting for that game for ages.

and if i remember correctly i was watching dvds with my ps2 when that launched aswell. but wat wer xbox 360 fans playing? oh thats right ps2 ports my bad

[Mercutio]

They don't do us good, As long As I get the good games Exclusively,like MGS4 and FFXIII I don't care how much, crap like Orange box sells.

[ReBurn]

The thing is that third-party developer support is what traditionally supports the platform. I guess that in this generation things are shaking out a bit differently, but that third-party support is still going to be important.

[xg-ei8ht]

COD4 PS3 1.58m

COD4 360 3.16m

Consoles sold:

PS3 9.02M

360 16.42M

Now for you idiots.

If you take into account as above, attach rate of cod4 is better on the ps3. Not by much, but its better.

if you don't believe me, do the math:)

[ReBurn]

That's just one game. It shows that COD4 has universal appeal, but it doesn't prove much else.

[Ju]

That was actually a very good example. A shooter which still sells strong on the 360 (hardcore crowd). Pick what ever game you want, but the result will be the same - or even better.

[poos3]

360 sold worldwide=17.4m
ps3 sold world wide=8.2m
i had to correct u

[salgoods]

"The 360 in its second year has managed to sell, with all of its really big hitters coming out, just 7.3M units. The PS3 with only a handful of big hitters and competition on both sides from Microsoft and Nintendo (that remember the 360 didn’t have in its first year), has managed to sell in 14 months 8.9M units. Europe still has 3-4 months of sales yet to reach one year. So if we take the 8.9 as it stands now and include 3-4 months of Europe sales it will probably be about 10-10.5M units by April. But we’ll take the initial 2 months of Japan and America sales that cover Nov-Dec of 2006 off that figure to give us a rough indication of global sales for the year, and your at about 9-9.5M units after one year.

That’s approx. 2M unit difference for the PS3 compared to the 360 after one year.

This year, PS3’s big hitters arrive, so lets say Sony manage to increase that gap for 2008 by 2M more units, as those titles will probably shift a few more units.

Now, if the 360 sells the same this year as last year, that’s 7.3M units to add to its 16-17M units it already has shipped, that equals approx. 23-24M units worldwide by the end of 2008.

If the PS3 sells 2M units more this year over its first year sales, thats:

9.5M (first years estimated global sales) + 11.5M (2M units more for 2008) = 21M units. Add-on the initial 1.3M units we took off for Nov-Dec of 2006 for America and Japan and your at, 22.3M units by the end of 2008.

Even if we say next year those big hitters for PS3 have NO impact and the sales remain the same.

9.5 + 9.5 + 1.3 = 20.3M units. So the gap between PS3 and the 360 would only be about 2 to 3M units by the end of 2008. Now thats just estimates, but you see the general direction this is going, and thats just after one more year of sales. Even if the differences in sales are half of what i’ve just estimated them to be, it would only be 1.5 to 2 years away that the gap is closed. So, 2009 could just see the PS3 take the lead"

[karlostomy]

hmmm you make some interesting points.
I agree with some of what you said, but you are not taking into account a few crucial points in your speculative projection:

1. MS will likely lower the price of the 360 into the price range of the WII soon.
This means the 'mums and dads' and the casual gamer price range will belong to the 360. The ps2 is also still selling well due to its massive games library and low price. In the next two, three four years the 360 will likely take that price slot (wii and ps2), thereby opening up more market share for MS.

2. The ps3 has not got the ability to reduce its price like last gen and won't be able to match the price drops while maintaining profitability - IF that is ever achieved.
The rsx (designed and manufactured by nvidia) will continue to cost a high propertion of the PS3 bottom line. Like wise the bluray player in the ps3 is also likely to cost more for far longer than the dvd of the 360, simply due to its relative newness.

So you see, while the ps3 LOOKS well positioned for increasing its sales in 2008 (and catch up to the 360 by a significant margin), I predict that MS will take measures to ensure it remains ahead of the ps3 for good.

If MS did not do this, that would be silly of them right?

Regardless of the outcome, this will be extremely interesting to watch. I look forward to many a heated debate on N4g this year.

[scoobysnacks]

Thanks for posting my original comment word for word as above.

Orignal post below:

http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

[ddamaged1]

ok 9 million PS3's out there 9 million blu ray players + 3 million stand alone blu ray players out there 80% of ps3 users use their blu ray movie player now what?

[Lord Cheese]

just referring to my own experience here, i had a look at the pre-orders i've got at the moment, and 2 of them are multi-platform, which i'll be getting on my ps3, one is a ps3 exclusive (mgs4) and 3 are 360 exclusives (splinter cell conviction, ninja gaiden 2 and lost odyssey). Given that, from my perspective, it seems like all the crowing about the 360 having nothing to offer this year are a bit off. Granted, i've not preordered resistance 2, kz2, or lbp or ffxiii, but then i'll probably get round to that at some point.

[ilkercruiser]

A Bluray player with gaming feature :))

Uncharted , Ratchet , Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Lair

none of them are really killer app.

Sony fans you are not buying games...
Thats the fact. Xbox360's install base is 10x better than ps3s.
Multiplatforms are all better on 360.
3rd partys are all selling better on 360.
Why should companies insist on supporting exclusivly for Ps3?

[ravinash]

Fact - ilkercruiser has not been reading the N4G posts over the last 2 weeks.

[ravinash]

What the hell is this guy on about with Uncharted: Drake's Fortune and Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction cannibalizing each other's sales....thats rubbish.
In the case of people who can only afford one game a month, then sure fine, they may have an effect. But fact of the matter is if people wnt both games, then they will go out and buy them. I got uncharted, but I didn't get ratchet because I wasn't into the style of game...simple as that.
and I don't think the install base is too small to hold these games. In the UK I go onto Warhawk and on COD4 and I see plenty of people playing on line. maybe it isn't as big as Xbox live yet...but give it a year as PS3 sales are growing at the same rate that 360 did, so PS3 will be at the same level 360 is now by then at lest.
And the only way to get more people on PS3s is to make more great games.

Build them and they will come!

[Mercutio]

They by every crap game, because they won't last long. Ps3 owners want quality games, they don't want crap like Orange Box. We bought the PS3 for games like MGS4, FF XIII, Killzone. We don't by Uncharted too much because , A : It is a new franchise derived of shooters, Ps3 owners are more RPG based and like more JApanese Devs than western ones. PS3 owners don't like SHOOTERS, all of the Games mentioned above are SHOOTERS. SHOOTERS are not gonna sell well on the PS3, get it?

Since none of the Games we like are out yet, why the hell would we by games that are not in our interest, like Orange Box, which you can get it on your PC?

When the Japanese games start rolling, then we will see more games being bought, one year of Shooters is unacceptable from Sony's side. We bought the Ps3 for GOOD games, HARDCORE PS gamers DO NOT LIKE SHOOTERS. They are more Japan ORIENTATED. Get it?

COol, thnx for reading this.

[sonyfanonly]

YEAH BUT IN THE END EVERYBODY WILL BOW TO SONY