Final Fantasy XVI Will Only Happen if XV Does Well

XV will determine the future of the franchise

[PhoenixUp]

FFXV will be successful and of course FFXVI will happen. No way would Square Enix cancel their biggest franchise

[RashBandicoot]

Yup, I mean even if it doesn't the 7 Remake is sure to rake in money.

[kevnb]

I don't know, the 7 remake has all the makings of extreme fan backlash. Separating the game into episodes, changing the battle system in a way that will completely break everything in the original game. I mean they could potentially make the battle system more action oriented if they want, maybe make it something like dragon age games or even an improved 12. However, what they showed would take away all the strategy, the ability to control all the characters, the incentive to even want to find hidden characters. and it simply wouldn't even be the same game anymore. I have no problem with the action oriented battle system of xv, but I want a final fantasy 7 remake that includes what made the original great.

[Sam Fisher]

@kevnb

Ffxv has turn base, why wouldnt ff7 re wouldnt have turnbase? Back lash yea for the ep but ppl will buy it regardless, i sure am this new president isnt playing that wada bs, seems like a good future might be for se, first se game i ever preordered so that means alot to me

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed, but I think their statements are sort of moot.

For a series to keep going, it must be making money in the first place. FF series will be fine, being different always lends to more fans coming in. You don't need to know jack about FFXIII to like FFXV, you don't need to know jack about FFXV to like FFXVI etc

[TheDetective]

@kevnb You need to look into stuff a lot More. FF7 remake is going to be three full games like FF13 was that has already been Confirmed awhile ago. also this is a remake if they where to have made FF7 today the combat would be more action based. as much as everyone loves Turned based combat they need to understand It was a product of it's time. do you think that if they made that game today it would still be turned based ? No they did it because of the limited hardware of the time. they are even expanding on the world from stuff that came out later on after FF7 was out for years. most of the core will still be there but adding far more then what they did the first time around. hints having three full games like FF13. you won't be Downloading the game in chucks. this misinformation crap needs to stop

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[joab777]

I am worried because while it may have nostalgia, it will need to be very modern to garner mainstream appeal. The success of 15 will help, but a majority of young gamers today no nothing of FF7. It's my favorite game ever and even I am apprehensive.

[rainslacker]

@kalkano

" "Wait Mode" is not even close to Turn-Based."

Wait mode goes back at least as far as FF7. It was part of the ATB system for those that wanted a more turn based experience on the more action oriented ATB system that is a staple and always changing in the FF main line games. Wait mode works differently in FFXV, but it does what it did in prior games for the most part, although it isn't constant, and realistically, for 99% of trash enemies, you won't even bother with any kind of strategy like it used to be in the turn based days.

So, at this point, since you won't even give the game a chance, and based on that statement, I wonder if you even play the series, because the fluid ATB system has been "real time" like for quite some time now, with the option to pause to some degree when a characters turn comes up.

As far as I can tell, you don't even know what you want, because your idea of turn based hasn't been part of FF since FF7 as far as I can remember outside the online iterations, at least by default, and FFXIII is similar to FFXII in terms of the ATB, and XV is just an advancement on the XIII system with some changes. FFX didn't pause for you to make decisions unless you turned wait on, and FF7-9 all had wait mode ATB's.

So if you want something similar to prior FF games, then turn on wait, try the game, learn how to use the system the way it was designed like a good gamer does, and quite complaining that somehow what you want is somehow the only way forward for a major series so it remains stagnent for what is essentially an outdated game play mechanic used during a time when it made sense for the hardware, because you don't even seem to have a clue what you're talking about.

There are turn based games out there, and I would like to see a turn based in the way you talk about in a big AAA JRPG, but FF ATB hasn't been turn based for quite some time.

[rainslacker]

Nope, time did not stop in the ATB system since ff7 except in wait mode. It's not different here. The commands are simply input differntly without a menu, basically taking out the useless part of FFXIII where it simply recommended your selections and people pressed x repeatedly, just like you would do most of the time now in this game. Same happens in FFXV, just you don't have forever to wait it out as action will eventually resume if you take too long.

"You know this is factually incorrect, and nothing but a weapon used against something that you don't like. Nothing more, nothing less."

It's not factually incorrect. Turn based RPG's benefitted from more complex battle systems and higher variables for battle leading to a more robust combat and strategy system. It also allowed for better graphics in some cases, along with other advantages of not overtaxing the CPU with lots of math for stats calculations. It only required one computation per move, as opposed to 30 per second. Quite a difference. That restriction isn't really a factor anymore due to the changes in architecture and increase in power, so those same, and many more complex calculations can be made in real time.

It's not an attack, it's an observation that for years now you have lamented the lack of traditional turn based JRPG's, and not given anything a chance because it doesn't ft the mold that you expect, despite the fact the one series you are lamenting most, hasn't been what you say you want for almost 2 decades now without turning on an optional "wait mode", and SE finally made it so wait mode isn't a "take your time kalkano so you can spend copious amounts of time strategizing how to kill that green slime".

You say "wait mode" isn't turn based, so based on that, about the only thing I can assume is that you haven't considered FF turn based for quite some time now. And just for the record, even ARPG are turn based, in fact most games are, they all run on some sort of timer with cool downs, just things don't wait for you to input commands.

[rainslacker]

No, Kingdom Hearts is an Action RPG. ATB is a real time menu driven game from FF7(possibly before, havent' played them in a while) until FFXIII. FFXIII was more action oriented with a useless menu, although you could set it to wait if you so choose. The actual battle continues from FFVII onward while you're making your decisions unless you turn on wait. Thus not true turn based, as turns are based on your stats and how fast your little meter thingy increases. Kingdom Hearts menu is used to do special things, but most things are assigned to button presses....a completely different game play system.

So again, I'd call ATB a psuedo turn based system. Time does not stop while you use the menu unless you select it. This is fact up until FFXIII, although it was still an option as I recall in that game. FFXV does it more action oriented, but my contention with your comment is comparing it to prior games based on something that was never the case without actively changing the default option to "wait"....which essentially did make it into a turn based game.

The actual way you input commands is different in FFXV, I won't deny that, but again, that's not the problem I had with your comment, or the years I've read you complain about the game, only to even now, continue on without ever even trying to give it a chance to see if it's a good game, as if turn based is the end all be all of what makes a good Final Fantasy game.

I don't need to have an agenda for people to accept FFXV. It appears to be doing fine. People who feel the way you do are in the vast minority. I respect that you want something different, but at some point it's just not worth complaining about anymore, and maybe even worth giving it a chance.

If you can't accept what I say as true, that's on you, it doesn't make it rediculous. Tell me how what I said is wrong. Did time not continue in the older games unless you turn on "wait mode"? ATB is not a traditional turn based system. And hasn't been for a while. Sorry, but it's true, and that's the only issue I take with your comment, and that's why I called you out on it, because your reasons for disliking what is being offered isn't even based on what's been in FF since at least FFVII.

As far as my technical expertise, yes, FF, and many turn based games at the time had much deeper stat calculations which could not run in real time in action RPG's. It was a limitation during the 8 bit days due primarily to CPU/memory register sizes, and number of operations which had to be calculated at once. D&D in particular has a fairly complex stats system, and many JRPG's of the time used even deeper systems. This limitation hasn't been necessary since the 16 bit generation, but since turn based RPG's had been established as a viable medium, they stuck around until today.

But, with main title Final Fantasy games(which FFXV is IMO really just VersesXIII....a spinoff) they have always changed the ATB system to be more actiony. The basis changed a bit here or there, or sometimes a lot like here, and now with this one, it's a more radical departure.

But the big question is, would you have accepted this game as Versus XIII without all the bitching for years now? If so, what's the problem with just a name change?

[fiveby9]

Yea I can't wait for the year 2026 now. ;)

[BlahBlahWhatever]

“Is FFXVI being worked on right now? and by who?”
FFXVI is only going to happen if XV does well

According to the game’s director Hajime Tabata, XV has to sell 10 million copies to count as a profit.

ROFL!!! hahahahaha... I can't stop laughing after reading that... :P
They seriously expect that 10 million people are gonna give their money to buy that uninspired, boring, generic turd that have split personality disorder syndrome & doesn't know wtf is it & for who it was made for?
GL getting those sales SE, you will definitely need it, but I suggest you to lower your expectations by a lot in order to not get disappointed as much later on, & it's certain that this is going to happen in the end.

[TheFirstClassic]

Uhhhhh its already sold 5 million in one day...

[Segata]

That was shipped not sold.

[Mr-Dude]

@Segata
So what? They have their money..

[_-EDMIX-_]

@segata- shipped means sold.....

Did you think retailers just get free copies of FF on Square? lol Retail BUYS games, they then sell it for a profit of the difference. If it shipped 5 million, it means 5 million copies sold to retail, retail stores don't just buy up HUGE amounts of software for not reason, they base their orders on current sales. I used to work for Home Depot in receiving. I literally was at one point in charge of ordering what the departments needed based on metrics and sales volume.

When we would RTV something, it would mean return to vendor and the store would get a refund....ie we are BUYING the items from vendors. If their crap isn't selling or worst, isn't working ,WE THE STORE get a refund, the vendor then loses money.

When you learn this, you then learn that shipped to any retailer is actually sold ie the vendor, in this example Square, is getting paid money for those 5 million shipments.

[sdcard4gb]

Yes, they do. And they will.
And I fully agree on the "uninspired, boring, generic turd that have split personality disorder syndrome & doesn't know wtf is it & for who it was made for" part.

[MaximusTKG]

You quite obviously havent played it. No matter anyones opinion it is not a broken mess of a game. If it were it would be getting 5's and 6's on the regular. Go play it before you open your silly mouth.

[Ricegum]

Lmao. It's so easy to identify people who have played it, and those who haven't.

This game is pretty outstanding. The scale of it is mind-blowing too.

[Kingthrash360]

Lol so true...this guy hasn't even seen broadcasts or gameplay of this game if that's what these guys think. Smh

[kevnb]

you see, reviews dont matter and some high profile reviewers seem to have really gotten it wrong this time. They keep going on about the main story as if its the only thing that matters in a final fantasy game. Final Fantasy does almost everything that fans wanted very well and its accessible to new players as well.

[Sam Fisher]

@blah
Like your name implies, all i was reading from you was sh!+

[_-EDMIX-_]

...you guys are pretty clueless.

"They seriously expect that 10 million people are gonna give their money to buy that uninspired, boring, generic turd"

How about stop adding in your personal hate when trying to guess sales. I always can guess how a COD might do even with me no liking it. You don't need to like it to understand that it has a strong fan base bud.

I'm not even sure why anyone was betting against a FF moving 10 million when lots didn't like FFXIII and it moved 8...

Sorry but this isn't 20 years ago and FFVII. The install base of gamers is bigger and I very much called FFXV might end up being the current best selling FF beating out FFVII. FFXIII just wasn't it for them and that did HUGE sales.

Yet you thought FFXV wasn't going to do better? The deep, deep lolz. Dear god, stop adding your bias to sales. You can hate it personally, but leave that out of business talk bud, its just immature and discredits your points.

[solideagle]

Your name suits you lol

[lunatic0001]

is there any concrete sales on how much the best selling ff games old by nay chance?

[cartoonx1]

@EDMIX- no ship doesn't mean sold to consumer, yes square will have money for 5 mil but what about more? most big titles ship big most of time due to hype not just demand. it may sold all 5mil in a week and it may not for a year. still impressive but i was expecting more thn fallout tbh after those 10+ years.

[cash_longfellow]

Game is phenomenal.

[ShockUltraslash]

Aweseme!

You mad?
You triggered? #FeelsGoodMan

[ZaWarudo]

Will it depend on lifetime sales? Because i don't except the game to be selling 5 million+ overnight. The Final Fantasy brand has been badly damage.

[pompombrum]

http://n4g.com/news/1989507...

That's exactly what it did lol.. well not "overnight" but still impressive.

[DarXyde]

And in that EXACT article that you linked, ZaWarudo has already stated that he was wrong BEFORE you posted this comment and even linked back to this article.

[pompombrum]

^^^ Ah, didn't even notice that, fair play to the guy.

[ZaWarudo]

It's all good. A day later i was proven wrong LOL. I'm glad i'm wrong, it seems the game turned out great.

[_-EDMIX-_]

LMFAO! Exacpt....it actually did.

Can you guys not stop exaggerating your stupid hate for a game as equating to DOOMS DAY in sales.

Didn't you guys do this crap with Battlefront? Yet.....it moved 14 million units...

Use logic bud, not personal bias and hate. I don't play COD, but I can't just say "COD brand has been badly damage" BASED ON WHAT SALES?

FFXIII MOVED 8 million units....many hate that game and it STILL MOVED 8 million. Please...use facts and logic, not you stupid hate.

[TheFirstClassic]

I don't think this guy was making this comment out of hate, since he said he is glad it sold that much. Calm down fam.

[Golden_Mud]

You are one cancerous human being, aren't you ? He already apologized for it AND he typed that comment a day ago.

[Kashima]

Yeah in 2030! of course

[AizenSosuke]

FFXVI will happen like 17,18,19....100.

[DiscoMan]

Didn't they also say that they would remake FF7 if they made a FF that surpassed it? When was that?

[sdcard4gb]

Dunno, but they sure didn't surpass VII... Not by a long shot.
FF VII amount of magics: too much to count.
FF XV amoun of magics: basically 4.

FF VII amount of Summons: 16.
FF XV amount of Summons: 4 real, 1 as an enemy boss (unusable), 1 as a scripted event.

[Ricegum]

This guy needs to stop ^ 😂😂

You clearly haven't played it. At all. You're one of those people who goes out of his way to gather any negative sort of opinion online from forums and post them on a site like this, as if you know better than all of us 😂

[acekaze]

Its this guy and 2-3 other accounts, atm i suspect they are really all just the same person.

ATM it just really sounds someone is just butthurt because A) you dont have the game, or B) you really do dislike the game and just want to see it fail.

Yes FF VII had all that, its also a completly different game than FFXV all together, I really was never capable of enjoying 7 has much has everyone else, I always tought 9 was one of the best in the series.

[Segata]

They also said FF7 remake would take 30 years and why they won't remake it.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Well FFXV is very likely to surpass it easy. I predicted it very likely would simply based on FFXIII's sales.

[gleepot]

Aren't they... already making a FF7 remake...?

[DiscoMan]

Point exactly.

[Relientk77]

It already sold 5 million copies. Is that not good enough lol

[sdcard4gb]

It is never good enough for them.
There is never such a thing as too much money.

[Segata]

Shipped is not the same as sold

[Nara_shikamaru]

Sooo you think that the games are shipped to retailers for free?? Lol 5 million was sold to retailers and shipped to em

[jznrpg]

FFV has already done well

[JHGriff1987]

Being on of the five million people that bought this i hope they really get vii out quickly

[iTechHeads]

We all know they're doing a FF XV-2.
Don't even be surprised to see when they announce it......

[sdcard4gb]

Please, SE, don't hold the proposition of a sequel hostage, it is getting really old. You know what might be a good idea ? Putting half of that advertisement money into actual game - I'd like myself 6-7 more Summons to use, thank you very much. Some flashy FF XII-style Limit Breaks would fit perfectly too.
It already did well, though, so I highly doubt FF XVI isn't going to happen. But if it does and it is as uneventful and lacking in content like more then 4 Summons, basically 4 spells and actual Limit Breaks instead of highly uninteresting techniques, actually more then four characters, job system or at least as many characters as possible to fit the job system in... Then I really don't want it to happen, seems like a huge waste of money, time and hope (sure as hell not effort). Better give that money to children without parents or something.

[Ricegum]

Oh no. Not again. This is N4G. You need to go to www.square-enix.com if you're really upset.

[sdcard4gb]

As if anyone's gonna answer me there and provide hours upon hours of magnificent conversation XD

[Noxrest]

I'll just wait 200 years and see the confusion that unfolds FFXXX

[DillyDilly]

Yeah right they say this every new game & will make one no matter what

[Segata]

Even if they didn't make their money back you know damn well they would have made 16 anyway.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Honestly, I'd rather have XV-2

[TheColbertinator]

Yes. Better graphics.

[ninsigma]

Doubtful. They'll make another regardless but hopefully they learn not to take too long the next time.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Learn?

That wasn't deliberate. I don't think any team can really know what will happen in a games development, in fact I'd say FFXV not being made on PS3, helped the title over all.

[ninsigma]

Delays are never deliberate but they do happen for reasons and those reasons should be learned from when working on future projects.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Lol no.

You can't "learn" what the final concept the story or idea of a game is ever going to be that simply the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Many times a game can be delayed simply because the designers change their minds on a specific concept.

Nothing is Ironclad you're basically saying they should decide to stay with one concept come hell or high water lol

No. If you look at any development diary or behind the scenes of any game you'll realize that during its development many games change drastically from different concepts and ideas to character designs etc.

Those reasons are impossible to ever know you're basically saying they should know the future

As an artist I could tell you that doesn't make any sense simply because even with my own projects and Designs over the years they drastically changed my mind and realize they would have been different things if I actually executed or published them.

[ninsigma]

I'm obviously not talking about the concept. I'm talking technical difficulties they had while developing and what processes they used during development and taking a look at these things afterwards to decide what worked and what didn't work throughout the development process. It's a pretty standard thing to do in software development so I don't get why you're disagreeing.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Those technical issues will always come up every time they change concept..

Nothing is Ironclad it's why you can't even name a single team that has released some game perfect with perfect timing.

Software is dynamic, it is not absolute.

Any multitude of issues can come up in a game. Sorry but you're asking for something that doesn't even make any sense what example can you even give? What time can we really say is releasing perfect games?

But what you're talking about is not the reason to behind the actual game taking 10 years to release.

The concept of the game-changing as well as better technology releasing is why the game kept being delayed that is something that they cannot controlled and it is something that cannot be guaranteed.

So if you make a game you know 100% that someone in your team mid cycle won't come up with better ideas? So you know 100% of all the technology that's going to release during your games creation?

Sorry but they changed Concepts several times better technology released to allow them to do what they wanted to create far better..

This is the process of creating something, it is not this straight line and as an artist I think it's completely silly when I hear people make it sound as if it's this objective task lol

No.

[ninsigma]

You can keep saying no all you like but it's true. As a software developer, I can tell you as such.

Edit: spelling.

[iofhua]

I would buy XV if it comes to PC. I have no plans to get an Xbox One or Ps4. I've heard rumors it might come to Steam, but we will see.

[_-EDMIX-_]

When it comes to PC.

oh...it will.

[xDealtwithIt]

Seems to be doing well so far. Played a little bit of it on Xbox One and so far it's interesting.

[Derceto]

lol Right. If FF XV does poorly, SE will just stop making numbered entries. I realize gamers are stupid with the way throw money at companies for worthless shit, but this is just hilarious.

Also, people here really have no idea of SE and their number reporting tactics. This is the same company that kept bragging about having 2+ million players in their comically under populated ARR for a good 2 years. Shipped =/= Sold. Get your heads out of your asses people.

[Ravenor]

And yet FFXI became their most profitable FF ever, all of that on a player base that was dwindling in 2004. ARR is great and a phenomenal console MMO. Calm down.

Like... Re reading your commenr what are you even saying?

What is trash to one person is gold to another.

[lunatic0001]

see what i want to know is what kind of "if it does well" are we talking about because selling maybe 6-7 million copies is extremely well, i would think, but square enix's version of well is like 15 million or more which i don't see happening...hopefully its the latter because i can see this game selling about 7 million...lets just hope that's a success to square

[Kosic]

I'm curious on the sale of this game. Won't be playing it till its dropped in cost, got to many games back logged.

[Pancit_Canton]

Look what happened to FFXIII. The series tank so hard and it still able to produced a two sequels.

[babadivad]

Well then it's happening.

[CrimsonWing69]

You don't say? Whelp 5 mill on it's launch, looks like it's "doing well"

[peewee11016]

Well today an article came out said its already sold 5MIL. So we will see another final fantasy even if this one did bad

[feraldrgn]

That's incorrect.
Final Fantasy is the most important franchise Square has, they would never stop making them.

[S-Word]

If the recent FF games are anything to go by then I couldn't care less. I'm sure if they made a FF16 it would be just as mediocre as the FF13 & FF15 games. They've already lost all of their talent. If I wanted an Action RPG then I'd stick to the Tales of series.

[Pantz]

I really thought this was the FINAL Fantasy. Who knew they're making another 1! UNEXPECTED!

[drunkenspy007]

This seems like a no duh article. Obviously it's selling well though.

[zodiac909]

Fastest selling game in the franchise.....I'm pretty sure the series is well off atm..

http://n4g.com/news/1989507...

[nicsaysdie]

I know they'll make it. My hope is that it's based on agni's philosophy. Dark.

[cash_longfellow]

Based on the sales announcement today...there is a 100% chance 16 will happen.

[talocaca]

It will definitely happen but Square enix needs to streamline their creative process.

They took the same time to make FFXV as Naughty Dog to make Uncharted 1,2,3,4 and The last of us.

[Nara_shikamaru]

Just gonna tell you that you need to check your facts and re-research the developement cycle of this game

[joab777]

It's happening then and I'll be able to play it with my Grandkids on the PS7Pro in 15 yrs. Cannot wait!!!

My guess is that b/c of the characters and dlc, and all the relevant media, as well as 5 million sold already, we will see another trilogy starting in 2018.

Square will capitalize on this for sure.

[Taero]

Well it's a good job it just sold 5 million copies in a day ...

[hahaha]

I would be very surprised if there will be no FFXVI

[MultiConsoleGamer]

So in other words, FFXVI confirmed.

[juniorpop]

so is 5 million day one shipped considered "does well"?