Xbox Will Be Built Into TVs, Xbox-Branded Streaming Devices Announced

Microsoft has high hopes for Xbox Game Pass and growing it into the future.

[Vengeance1138]

RIP The traditional Xbox console.

[darthv72]

They still got at least one more traditional box in the pipeline.

[itsmebryan]

@darthv
Do you have a link to what you are saying or are you just making it up?

[KillBill]

@itsmebryan
https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

[darthv72]

@brian: https://www.ign.com/article...

[itsmebryan]

@darth
I read the article. Where did it say had only one left in the pipeline?
The way they are talking they will continue to make Xbox. That's what I was talking about.

[darthv72]

@bryan, I said "at least one" not "only one" They could have 20 for all we know.

[TheEnigma313]

nah, ain't happening. They've positioning themselves for this for years now.

[1Victor]

🤦🏿 Was my reaction and people near by started to look at me weirdly on the public transportation 🤷🏿 🤣

[ABizzel1]

You can already do this with most Android based TVs, NVIDIA shield TV, Android phones with HDMI. Just download Xcloud or a GamePass APK and you're good to go. Of course, it's streaming only, but it's an option for more casual gamers.

Working with telecom to sell Xbox's is interesting. The model works for phones, but the entire benefit behind it is that they are also being sold with service. Xbox doesn't have cellular unless they plan on making a model that does, so I don't see the incentive of this for mobile providers unless it's sold as an accessory that they can make a profit on, or it comes bundled as a benefit to buying Home Internet from them.

I mean if you get internet and for an extra $30/mo. for 2 years you get a Series X and GamePass it's really not a bad offer (it makes the Xbox and 2 years of GamePass $720 instead of $860), but these kinds of promotions often come at the expense of getting new service, which is where the issue comes into play.

I'm indifferent to it overall, it's again good for the masses who can't buy a console, and the only real way Xbox is going to potentially grow their business further than what they've achieved in the console space, since they lost the traditional "war". But this is starting to sound real Google Stadia like which was met with hate and doubt Day 1. Xbox still had their console and they have a better subscription model than what Google had, so we'll have to wait and see.

[S2Killinit]

And you are happy with that? We been saying MS is going in this direction forever now.

[bouzebbal]

I respect their choice, my problem is it will be always online and only streaming cause no way I’ll download a 50+ GB game on TV..

[TheGreatGazoo30]

Traditional consoles aren't going away anytime soon. Even MS has said that. These are just more options to get more people engaged.

[DJStotty]

Why would the console go anywhere?

They would not launch a console with the moniker "series" if they planned on not continually releasing hardware.

[Nitrowolf2]

That’s not really sound logic all considering their past Xbox naming

[darthv72]

There will be additional entries in the Series line but they will all be variants on the existing two we have. Like a Series E which would be the same as the current Series S (10gb and 512mb) as the new S is likely to get a bump in storage (1tb) and memory (12gb). The Current X will also get an increase in storage (2tb) but otherwise it will remain unchanged. They could then release a series Y with 2tb (or more) storage as well as an increase to 24gb of memory.

[zawepa]

"vengeance1138
RIP The traditional Xbox console. "

I think Sony already did this though.
They made ps3 tvs and phones that could play psp games. It was not that successful but I don't think the brand failed as a whole.

[kneon]

@Nitrowolf2

The words 'logic' and 'xbox naming' don't really belong in the same sentence.

[-Foxtrot]

People might disagree but seriously, even last gen we had hints of something like this happening so I don't know why people are so surprised at Microsofts obvious new goal, it's not about consoles, it's about everything. It's like their 2013 plans that were rejected but on a drip feed.

Personally I think the next Xbox will become something that just accompanies regular smart TVs if the general consumer doesn't have a TV with Xbox build into it. Rather than paying money on getting an Xbox TV, Microsoft will say "Well if you buy the console you can upgrade your regular TV into an Xbox TV".

I just find it funny most of us saw this coming, about how they'd want to push Xbox / Gamepass onto everything they could yet people said it would only be Xbox/PC. If Xbox TVs are coming now, at the start of this new gen then where will we be at the end of this gen?

Xbox want to be the Netflix of games and sooner or later, regardless of what they will say, they won't give a shit about traditional consoles and most likely physical discs.

[Atom666]

Lol. Your foresight is amazing. Here I was thinking that the company that has dumped billions upon billions into the cloud, and is led by a CEO who came from their cloud division, somehow secretly believed that local hardware was the future!

Of course they're looking to a cloud-first model. It's literally their company's biggest focus.

It's also the inevitable future.

[hiawa23]

I just said and thought the same. This seems like a great move as far as I am concerned. No surprise here. The more options the better.

[darthv72]

And you know Sony is following everything MS does and will put their own spin on it. So we should expect PSNow to expand and be like other streaming apps on modern TV sets. Just choosing from the remote, Amazon, Netflix, Hulu, HBO Max, XCloud, PSNow...

[rlow1]

How did you come to that conclusion? They want a full ecosystem and the console is part of that. I see more powerful consoles coming out in the future along with everything else. Why would they abandon the console crowd when they want Gamepass to grow and not shrink?

[lodossrage]

@darthv72

Actually, Sony did have PS Now built into TV's and set to boxes for awhile back in the early days. So it's not like they haven't done it before. They just didn't see any value in it

[darthv72]

@lodoss... I know. they pulled the plug on it too soon. Renewed vision of PSNow (with more newer games) could be the catalyst they need to bring it back and in more brands than their own.

[chiefJohn117]

Huh? That make 0 sense. It's a stick like chrome cast or firestick not an actual TV with Xbox built into it (that'll be Hella expensive) they're probably gonna partner and get an app for smart TV so the stick isn't needed

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@Atom666

Microsoft still makes Surface products, PC peripherals, and Xbox hardware. They don't just do cloud. Maybe you haven't noticed but they have their hands in a lot of jars. Satya is a cloud guy and yet they still make hardware. So this narrative that they are abandoning dedicated hardware doesn't make any sense and there is very little evidence to support your statement.

[gamer7804]

Yah the year 3000 is going to be lit when console hardware dies out… lol

[1Victor]

So in the hypothetical that Sony eventually does make a Xbox tv because you know it’s coming along with Samsung and others big manufacturers will the name be Sony Xbox tv or Xbox Sony tv 🤔 🤪 😂

[Donjune]

Why should they give a shite! The business practices seem to be on point!

[CaptainHenry916]

We all knew this was going to happen. Microsoft is like we only care about game pass subscriptions LMFAO It is what it is

[fr0sty]

Sony doesn't need to copy them, they're not the ones trying to compete with the leader and failing generation after generation. They own the local console market, they own the first party game development market, they don't need to become a service to survive.

[Godmars290]

Given MS's track record, that of most tech companies, feels more like train on full speed that going to find out too late the bridge is out.

Unless they can deliver streaming within a given time, shorten the likely teething period on the main market, this could very well be their Stedia. May be it regardless if they've over estimated Xbox brand popularity.

Though there's no chance that that happened - /s

[OB1Biker]

I think they don't want to retire from the hardware. They just want to kill traditional consoles and get a monopoly. PC gaming more like. It has always been the plan.

[DJStotty]

Everyone saw it coming, because it has been the messaging from Xbox for years now.

They have always pushed the message that gamers should be able to play great games on any device they wish.

I don't know how much more clearer they can be.

[DJStotty]

@Darthv72

What i find hilarious and quite hypocritical, is Sony put Playstation games on TV's well before Xbox have, but then it was ok, now it is the demise of the xbox console as we know it.

Last time i checked Playstation still released a console, even after being on TV's/Mobiles/handhelds and PC's

[CYALTR]

I could see them partnering with a TV manufacturer (Sony?? LOL) to make an Xbox TV just as a demo. Some people would buy it, but the main play is getting the app for Smart TV's. Apparently you an do a work around already if you have an Android TV, but they would really need to get a company like Roku on board to really make this work.

[ReadyPlayer22]

They already announced that they're already creating their next gen hardware because they knew you fanboys would try to spread this narrative.

[XBManiac]

Xbox Series S consoles were dead before arrival and Microsoft knew it.

[Kerppamaister]

Weird, my Series S is working perfectly fine. But you know better, obviously.

[itsmebryan]

They have been saying that for years and the Xbox is still here. Smh

[chiefJohn117]

Nah cloud isn't even an option for competitive MP. I don't even attempt to play shooters or fighter like MK via Cloud I stick to rpgs, and SP. Or less competitive MP games/CoOp. Nothing tops console mane

[Kavorklestein]

Not everyone plays that stuff. It's called Options. And of course consoles are better Durhhhh.

[DatDoe210]

There will still be Xbox consoles. This for streaming game pass games. Microsoft will continue to release consoles for those of us who want the best experience and/or dont want to stream their games.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Utter BS.

[Sayai jin]

Their goal is to reach as many people as possible. MS has stated clearly that they want game pass everrywhere, including Xbox consoles. So on Xbox, TVs (Samsung first), streaming devies. Only MS knows what their plan is, but I will say that they have been very deliberate on their messaging othe Xbox game plan. They have been setting this up for a while. They have been working with Samsung for a year or more to get the Xbox installer on their TVS.

MS knows hardcore and many causual gamers will want consoles, but they eant it to be on TVS, smartphones, etc. All can be true without detriment or the end to another.

The success of this plan is undetermined, but so far game pass is very popular. If it dows catch on on all other devices....it will bring their games and select 3rd party game pass games to almost everyone. This has never been done before.

[gamer7804]

Ready for the people that don’t understand having options… lol

[bleedsoe9mm]

They use xbox hardware in xcloud, so money put into R&D covers both cloud and console development

[Eidolon]

Streaming games still sucks in my area until we can get fiber optics probably. I've tried all sorts of streaming services with the best available internet. Nope, can't do it, the input lag is way too much to be enjoyable for anything that requires constant motion.

[CYALTR]

This is a constant and real issue. However, think how many more people today have access to high speed internet than 10 years ago. This is a long term play for MS. You don't wait until everyone is able to access something. You start early, and figure out the way to work out the issues. Then by the time everyone else figures it out, you are ahead of the game. The is the MS plan. I am not a fortune teller, so I do not know if it will be successful or not. I tend to think that it will be, 5 or 10 years down the road. Time will tell. It is undeniable that technology, including internet speed, is only moving forward, more and more online. It's a valid argument on if this is a good thing for society, personally I think not, but that is for another discussion.

[porkChop]

This is just for cloud gaming/streaming. There will always be a market for dedicated consoles.

[Abbott123]

Not unless streaming becomes a lot more popular than traditional gaming which they still have a long way to go before that happens. Right now just do what i do and treat it as a cool alternative and hopefully within a few years it is genuinely a viable option for gaming over traditional hardware.

[King_Noctis]

Xbox Series S and X still exist, at least for the foreseeable future.

[Spenok]

But according to them, consoles are EXTREMELY important to their future plan!

Not sure how much even they believe that.

[TimeSkipLuffy]

You assume that everyone is going to buy a new high end TV that has XBOX console included? The standalone console will not go away. The XBOX hardware won't be built in into all TVs plus there are gamers who like to take their consoles on travels or to friends to play together.

[Paleblood]

"Direct sales of MLB The Show 21 on Xbox were strong too, becoming the No. 1 overall best-selling paid game on Xbox for April 2021."

Ironic that a Playstation developed game becomes number 1 on Xbox.

Looks like Xbox is abandoning the console and moving to streaming like Google Stadia.

[Vengeance1138]

Also shows how few games Xbox actually has when an annual sports title is the top game of the month.

[dumahim]

Are FIFA and Madden not huge sellers?

[darthv72]

So it's success has nothing to do with it being baseball season?

[Orchard]

So you're saying Playstation also has very few games since FIFA and Madden regularly are top sellers there and outsell any exclusive? Interesting.

[chiefJohn117]

Even with success haters will try to twist the narrative to make it a bad thing some how lmao the doom and gloom is hilarious
Lol spend thousands of dollars? Gamepass saves you thousands foo

[wiz7191]

I mean granted it’s the only baseball game out there outside of the 2K series. What you expect its on gamepass as well, I even downloaded it just to try it out. Only played it 3 times since downloading it.

[DJStotty]

This "last xbox console" has been thrown around since the xbox one launch, and here we are 4 consoles later.

Xbox will never abandon a traditional home console, their strategy is to reach all types of gamers, not abandon a userbase because you can now "stream".

So this "integration with TV's" will simply be Xcloud on a TV, so the games you can stream to your phone today, the same will apply for the TV's with this built in.

Will not affect the console base at all.

[Darkborn]

It will when Microsoft wants to actually make a profit for once with Xbox. The console hardware never made a cent of profit since the original Xbox, gamepass has never made profit, most first party titles don't make profit, their recent acquisitions and the ones a few years ago never made profit. Are they a charity company now?

[Vengeance1138]

MS likes to slowly push their audience in a certain direction and this will be no different. Why do you think MS has slowly been abandoning Games with Gold with very subpar monthly games? So their audience can be pushed onto GamePass which would visually have the "better value".
MS doesn't care if anyone at all buys their console, they care about subscriber numbers and ONLY subscriber numbers. Why charge you a flat $499 for a console when they can keep on charging you thousands of dollars for a subscription for the next 10-20-30 yrs?
Not to mention! If you think MS won't continuously RAISE the price per month of GamePass, you're kidding yourself. Even Netflix can't survive being Netflix without constantly increasing the price which is now getting uncomfortably high at about $16/month for normal HD.

[CaptainHenry916]

"Even Netflix can't survive being Netflix without constantly increasing the price which is now getting uncomfortably high at about $16/month for normal HD."

You're so right about Netflix. One of the reason's why I canceled them

[PrinceAli]

But Xbox One WAS gonna get scrapped/cut short after its disastrous launch, that is a face not an opinion.

[John_McClane]

I couldn't agree with you more!

[CYALTR]

I wouldn't say "never", but not just yet

[Petebloodyonion]

@ Darkborn
So I guess you were panicking back in 2014 when Sony made exactly the same move by having PS Now installed in Sony TV and Bluray player?
And I know Xbox is sucking bad, losing money, etc. but what I don't understand is how come 3rd parties like Cacpcom, Ubisoft, etc. are still making games for it? I guess they love losing money too.

@Vengeance1138
Even Netflix can't survive being Netflix without constantly increasing the price which is now getting uncomfortably high at about $16/month for normal HD

Yet Disney and others are charging less than 10$ per month I guess they like losing money.
Perhaps Netflix is raising price each year because ppl are still willing to stay just like some ppl are happy paying a 10$ hike on ps5 game just because they change the 4 for a 5 on the box.

I also remember a bunch of ppl back in 2013 who were defending paying 40$ buck for the second dipping of 60 frames and 1080P (you know the crappy free thing call FPS and resolution boost that you get on new console).

[DJStotty]

@Darkborn

"It will when Microsoft wants to actually make a profit for once with Xbox. The console hardware never made a cent of profit since the original Xbox, gamepass has never made profit, most first party titles don't make profit, their recent acquisitions and the ones a few years ago never made profit. Are they a charity company now?"

So you think they will go all cloud? no hardware? good luck on trying to stream a next-gen game at Native 4K @ 120fps with RT and the like. Do you know how many countries there are that do not even have the bandwidth available to this day, to stream a 1080p video clip?

[OptimusDK]

@CaptainHenry916 so how is that 70USD pricetag tasting... the only one who have hiked prices are SONY.

[Orchard]

"Looks like Xbox is abandoning the console and moving to streaming like Google Stadia."

Except they just confirmed more hardware is coming.

[DJStotty]

Lol i know right, but a certain portion of the gaming community are running out of things to downplay xbox, after E3, the "no games" "lack of exclusives" arguing point will also be gone.

So now the bandwagon coming through town is the "xbox is abandoning hardware" even after just releasing a statement saying they are already into R&D of the next hardware (Next-gen)

The comments sections on xbox articles really make my day, it is better than a stand up comedy show.

[KillBill]

Psst... in 2019 "Minecraft was the top-selling game on PlayStation 4 in July, and has occupied a space in the console's 10 best-selling games list all year." Ironic it is made by Microsoft Studio.

And Microsoft has already stated it is already working on the next consoles. https://www.eurogamer.net/a...

[Teflon02]

Think it's more like no one buys games in general and just plays what's on gamepass at this point outside a few titles. Nothing came out that could combat MLB finally hitting Xbox. Also I am curious what's strong sales? 100k? MS and their wording means absolutely nothing to me if they ain't giving numbers

[DJStotty]

Even numbers mean nothing to me, games do.

[Sayai jin]

You just have to let people cling to that mindset. I jist ignore them when I hear PS is doomed, Xbox is done, etc. The real ropic is that a franchise that was always associated with PS was brought to Xbox GP as part if the subscription. Some paid $70 and others pkayed for the cost of their subscription and skme of those liked it so much they brought it ad well.

No games. I never bothered with MLB and I have owned every PS day one. I would have never tried it if it wasn't for game pass. I really enjoyed it and realized I missed out on the other iterations. As far as games, I have had a constant library of really good games to play on my Series X, many enhanced, that's a very nice plus.
.i.e. playing Titanfall 2 at 120fps is the way it should be played. I have so many games I have and still have to play on my PS5 as well. Plus they actually had new exclusives, so that was a huge plus. After I played Demon Souls and Spiderman MM I was replaying games or trying games I haven't played before. So I was using my PS5 for the same thing I was using my Series X for...playing older games. Happy with both consoles. Enjoying R&C right now...less than a few hours!

[gamer7804]

There is no evidence that Sony or MS is abandoning consoles… show proof if you plan on making stuff up.

[NeoGamer232]

"Looks like Xbox is abandoning the console and moving to streaming like Google Stadia"

There is not a single fact on the planet that supports your comment. Please find a place where MS has said or even hinted that this is their goal in any press release since let's say 2015. You are simply spouting BS.

[Mr_cheese]

A good game is a great game for any console. No matter what either company is doing, the outcome will always be better for both companies because it pushes them to work harder and deliver a stronger version of what they offer.

Keep it coming ❤️

[King_Noctis]

Just wait until Deathloop releases. It’s gonna be even more ironic.

[Old McGroin]

A lot of people might disagree but this is pretty exciting for someone like me who, due to life's circumstances, can't go the route of getting a proper console. My main outlet for gaming for the past year or so has been Stadia (please don't judge!) and while it works really well for me, the catalogue of games isn't massive. And Microsoft have released a statement saying they are still working on a new console too so everyone's a winner?

[shabz666]

I think that’s awesome. Would love for more people to get into games and if this is the way then this is the way.

I am a console gamer myself and can’t even imagine gaming over a stream, so I’m glad to see that despite what the headline says Spenser and the team in their article quiet explicitly say about how they are focused on the hardware side of things. And based on the their work with series x and the tech their team has done with bc it’s quiet clear.

A low barrier of entry to games just brings more people in and let’s more people enjoy games. I’ve never been a fan of gate keeping that happens in the gaming community.

[Stanjara]

I don't know what you mean by proper console, and what you play on Stadia... probably Cyberpunk, but there is nothing wrong by still having Xbox one or a Ps4 and invest in those accounts. Why are you paying full price games on a stream service...I don't know.
Oh, and those New TVs will have 500$ price difference for sure if they gona have Xbox game pass ready on the box.

[Amplitude]

Stanjara:

Hey dude I hate the idea of a streaming future too but let's think for a minute:

A 10 year old tablet can play xcloud games (I use it on my phone when I'm travelling sometimes cause why the heck not) so - why would it add $500 to a TV to have xcloud installed? It wouldn't lol it's just gonna be an app.

Next up: buying games on Stadia.
You're right, buying a streamed game is dumb when physical discs exist and monthly-fee-based streaming services like xCloud exist.
But let's say this dude has full 100% faith that Stadia is gonna last years. What's the difference between buying the Stadia version and a game from the PS Store?
In both instances you're locked behind a server wall and you're going to lose your "purchase" when the servers are gone.

All I'm saying is, if you're not getting a physical disc you don't really own your game any more than you do on Stadia...

I personally kind of like what Microsoft is doing - where you can download the game on PC/xb but you can also stream on your laptop or phone or whatever else. It's a cool supplemental option but yeah I can't imagine why anybody would ever spend full price considering the extreme obvious disadvantages lol but yeah.
People need to keep supporting physical media. We really shouldn't let it die

[Old McGroin]

@ Stanjara

By proper console I mean a physical one. I've had pretty much every console from the Sega Mega Drive up to both the Xbox One and PS4 but I have a hell of a lot of responsibilities now so I don't have time to game in the traditional way. For instance I completed AC Odyssey, Valhalla, Cyberpunk, Doom, Borderlands 3, Star Wars Fallen Order on my Galaxy S20 either on the couch at home or on my lunch break at work. Also, I've pretty much never paid full price for those games, there's sales all the time.
Very doubtful that TVs will increase 500 quid because of a streaming app, TVs are already chock full of streaming apps and prices haven't been affected.

[Stanjara]

That's a good lunch brake...good for you sir. Ok, I'm not into Stadia, but last time I've heard is that games on there are full price and no sale because they give you a high end pc in the cloud.
What I'm thinking is that these Microsoft Tvs are gonna be new ones...with new streaming lag free processors and wifi 6...or 7...or lan. They gonna put Dolby Atmos and Vision in there, Oled something 50 inch 120hz 4k-up to 8k.
Those are gonna be 2k-3k dollars. It's not just a streaming app.
But what do I know.

[Old McGroin]

@ Stanjara

I see your point of view, I'm no expert either to be honest 😁 It's just I see a lot of TVs now, including my 2 year old LG one, support 4K streaming for the likes of Netflix, Apple TV, Disney+ and are capable of supporting HD streaming for the likes of Stadia (through Chromecast) and GEForce Now through Nvidia Shield. The key is that it is just a stream, the TV won't need fancy CPUs or whatever. It's not special new TVs made by Microsoft, they will bring the app to the likes of LG and Sony (probably), already existing TVs. Also, they said they will be releasing a USB stick that will allow you to stream through any TV just like the Chromecast allows for Stadia. So my best guess is it will be a very affordable way for the likes of myself to jump in.

[Stanjara]

Hey dude, great! We all here enjoy gaming.

[ABizzel1]

If you have an Andorid TV you can already do this. Or a NVIDIA Shield, or Android Phone with an HDMI. Just download the APK for GamePass.

[Old McGroin]

Really? I have an Nvidia Shield TV, I'll check this out after work, cheers 👍

[ABizzel1]

Yep, here's a link to it.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[waverider]

Microsoft will be a service in every tv. Their strategy is clear.

[CaptainHenry916]

Yup you don't need a Xbox to play all their games.

" Additionally, Microsoft announced that it is "exploring new subscription offerings" for Game Pass that will allow "more players around the world can experience the most immersive and fun games across devices, geographies, and financial realities."

Lol, I have a feeling Sony might do this too in the future (well I think they will put most of their games on PC eventually). As a PC gamer first, I'm loving this :)

[chiefJohn117]

Already been leaked Sony plans to clap back with a gamepass equivalent cause PSNow is getting destroyed by it. At the end of the day we all win. Any game anywhere anyplace

[kneon]

Sony already tried this about 7 years ago when they had PS Now running on both Sony and competitors TVs. It never took off despite Playstation being a far bigger brand worldwide than Xbox could ever dream of.

[CYALTR]

Well, Sony does make TV's. I think they are going to wait and see how this goes for MS. Sony is in a very good position right now and it wouldn't surprise me to see them follow suit if MS is successful. For those who keep saying that Sony tried this 7 years ago...the internet was in a very different place then. Even now, you need a good, fast, solid connection for this to work. Just because someone failed with new tried tech 7 years ago, doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad idea, maybe just too early.

[CaptainHenry916]

Gamepass is their future and the reason why they acquired Zenimax and Bethesda was for game pass not for exclusives. You don't need a PC or Xbox to play Microsoft games anymore. All you need is a smart TV, phone, Google Stadia, and so on. I expect them to talk more about this on Sunday. Cheers

[Elda]

Guessing next-gen they won't have any more consoles.

[Old McGroin]

They released a statement today stating they were already working on their next console.

[Elda]

Probably something small like Stadia.

[GamingSinceForever]

What are they doing? smh

[Tedakin]

Making their games available to literally billions of people for a good price. How dare they.

[RedDevils]

So have they achieved 1% of it yet?

[DJStotty]

Same as always, making consoles and games available to every single gamer on earth.

Believe in this, once millions upon millions of gamers can access xbox games anywhere, all subbing up to one of the sub services, you can bet your bottom dollar Sony will go the exact same route.

Why cater for around an 80 million playerbase, when you can potentially cater for billions?

[GamingSinceForever]

I simply wish they would focus more on making some compelling software first and foremost. It is always this wait and see approach. There is a reason that Nintendo and Sony kicks their asses every gen.

[outsider1624]

Isn't this good news for ps fans too. Xbox built into tvs now...who would have thought.

[CaptainHenry916]

I'm looking at it as all you need is a PC for gaming. I just don't know how committed will Sony be releasing all their games on PC though.

[LOGICWINS]

It is. Microsoft is giving Playstation gamers an option to play Xbox exclusive games without having to buy a Series X. Any rational person would believe that this is a good thing.

The reason people here are so negative about it is because they aren't gamers, they're console warriors. They recognize that the days of using hardware sales to determine a winner in the "console war" are over.

Playstation has to compete with Xbox in the cloud subscription space...and Playstation's hardcore fanbase is well aware that Sony doesn't have the resources to compete with Microsoft in this sector.

[CYALTR]

Yea, I don't get the hate from PS people. The fact of the matter is that Xbox has some good first party releases and have a good deal of potential to present an even better line up. Time will tell if that happens, but why would a PS owner not want to be able to download an app, get a free trial of GP, and check out some of these games that they are complaining about, most of whom who never tried it...because it really doesn't make since for most people to lay out $500 just to play a couple of games when PS is you main console.

Most gamers, if not all, have a main console. I'm sure there is someone out there who will tell me about how they own all consoles because, I don't really know why!! Clearly they have more time and money than I do. I feel confident that "most" would fall into the "main console" group. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to play some of those games without laying out $500, of course at this point, that is assuming you can find one at retail?

As someone mentioned, it is about options. The more the better in my book.

[DJStotty]

I agree, i am under the mindset of the more gamers that get to enjoy Microsoft's library, the better. Even if it means all games are on Playstation, Switch, TV's, Mobile, Loaf of bread, Tins of beans, it in no way affects the way i purchase in the slightest.

All it does, is result in more options, and better quality games for me, and all.

[hiawa23]

Sounds like a great move to me. The more options the better. Why is anyone surprised as many in the industry have been hinting at a future where you will have access to you games via tv, phone, any screen.

[Magog]

Soon Xbox will be nothing but a streaming service.

[MadLad]

We're just in the early stages of the current gen, and it's already been announced that they're working on the next gen Xbox.

What's your definition of "soon", and where are you getting your information from to support that claim?
Sounds to me they're just extending their reach for the streaming service. It's a more casual market.
That doesn't mean they're abandoning their native hardware for the more hardcore demographic.

[Eidolon]

If graphics are thing, then streaming will never catch up to native support. Get real.

[Father__Merrin]

What a shame looks like the old days of xbox og and xbox 360 are now lost....doubt you will have xbox u it in built I to TV it will bump price up too much

Even the most stringent xbox fan doesn't agree to this

[Tedakin]

It'll be game streaming built into a TV I assume, not an actual Xbox.

[DJStotty]

Xcloud on TV, just as Xcloud is on mobile today.

Will be the same thing

[CYALTR]

It would be no different than having Netflix installed on your TV, which most TV's currently offer.

[Father__Merrin]

Even if Spencer said if you hum and close your eyes continuously it will boost games, You will find people agreeing with it

[jznrpg]

Purely existing as a Subscription service is coming eventually . They literally want to be a Netflix in any device . They numb you slowly with phones , tablets, PCs and one day the console is gone . Slow and steady the price will go up as they expand their Netflix model. Lots of filler to keep the “content” coming but quality is going to be secondary over quantity.

[Futureshark]

They won't be streaming from Xboxes, they will be streaming from racks of PC servers.

No more Xbox consoles, only a brand name and gamepass.

Xbox is the new Stadia.

[Orchard]

FutureShark: “ They won't be streaming from Xboxes”

The article: “Microsoft is in the "final stages" of adding Xbox Series X server racks to its data centers around the world”

Always a good idea to read the article before commenting.

[Futureshark]

@Orchard
Don't be so naïve, they will be PCs in those racks (which arguably is exactly what a series X is anyway).

Please don't insult your own intelligence into believing there are warehouse sized server rooms around the world full of Series X on shelfs all waiting to be turned on and streamed from. It don't work like that buddy.

Xbox is now only a brand and effectively a badge.

[CYALTR]

I actually think that is how they currently do it. They may change that in the future, but for now.

"Project xCloud uses Microsoft’s Azure data centers’ hardware to render gaming experiences remotely, and the games will then be streamed to your device of choice. Each server blade has the internals of four Xbox One S systems, if the demonstration video Microsoft released is accurate."

https://www.digitaltrends.c...

Looks like they are upgrading to Series X units.

“We’re now in the final stages of internal testing, and we’ll be upgrading the experience for Ultimate members in the next few weeks,” says Kareem Choudhry, head of cloud gaming at Microsoft. “The world’s most powerful console is coming to Azure.”

"The upgrade will include major improvements to xCloud, with players able to benefit from the same faster load times and improved frame rates that are available on Xbox Series X consoles. Microsoft’s xCloud service launched in September, powered by Xbox One S server blades. The load times have been one of the troubling aspects of using Xbox game streaming, and this upgrade will dramatically reduce the wait time of launching games. Players will also be able to access Xbox Series X / S optimized games."

https://www.theverge.com/20...

[Orchard]

@Futureshark They have shared images and videos of the racks before. They are Xbox One console (and now Xbox Series) hardware just flattened onto a blade to fit in a data center and with certain parts not present (e.g. no need for a Blu-ray drive).

So you’re saying those images were fake and it’s just normal Azure hardware running a VM? Sorry I forgot you know more than Microsoft themselves /s

If you wanna be pedantic about it, then yes, Xbox, PlayStation and Switch are all PC’s.

So with PlayStation having PSNow - is PlayStation just a brand and badge now too? Interesting take.

[Minute Man 721]

Gamepass app incoming for tvs???

[ScootaKuH]

Nope. Streaming is not my future for games

[Relientk77]

Wow even less reasons to buy an Xbox now. Didn't know that was even possible.

[anast]

I knew they would become a streaming service. Those games are going to blow.

[PingasoFromHell]

I think it's a good move, cheaper alternative from a console, customer might like gamepass and decide to buy an Xbox down the line for the best experience!!

[Nuvem]

This way they can say that millions of people are on the xbox platform although most of those people don't care about xbox. Sneaky as always.

[chiefJohn117]

50 million XO sold 90 million MAUs.....umm millions been on the platform sir

[Nuvem]

Compare the data. Those figures are so low compared so PlayStation and Nintendo. Think chiefJohn think!

[chiefJohn117]

Nuven None of that's relevant you said most don't care about Xbox yet they have over 90 million MAU so your statement is incorrect. Just accept you said BS. They racking on billions so it can't be too low. You gotta get the if your not #1 you're doing bad mindset out your head
Think Nuvem think

[Nuvem]

Your insecurity is so high that I can feel it. I'm going to leave you with one last comment: If you go to dictionary.com here is the definition of "most": "in the greatest quantity, amount, measure, degree, or number:". Therefore, it does not matter if xbox is selling millions or racking billions, they are still selling and racking less than PlayStation, so they are in the minority. Ergo, hence, therefore, MOST people do not care about xbox. God I'm so tired of dealing with delusional xbots.

[chiefJohn117]

You literally said the reason they're expanding is so they can say millions are on their platform.....millions are already on their platform. If them potentially adding millions more users scare you just say that. I'll leave this convo at that.

[FanboysKiller]

I've been witnessing this idea literally for two decades since early 2000 , I don't understand that anything new come straight out of ms mouth is doom and gloom and get accepted as time moves on , this hypnosis is fake and just exposes the hypocrisy of these people.

[DarkkMinion]

Downvote me if you are a PS Fanboy drone.

[northpaws]

Haha, all of a sudden, streaming is good, all those people that gave Stadia the middle finger.

[MadLad]

Stadia was only streaming, charged full retail, even for old games, and then abandoned all of their exclusive development plans.

This is an option, and you don't even have to buy in, outside of a controller and a subscription. They're not the same thing.

[chiefJohn117]

Yes!!! I got family with me and they been using my damn xbox. So I been using GP on my phone wishing I had it on the tv

[chiefJohn117]

Holy crap! Did yall read the stats? You can't knock gamepass at all. MLB was the 2nd best selling sports title ever on Xbox and it release day 1 on GP. Subs spend 50% more on games than non subs, play 40% more games. Gamepass help sells not hurt it

While games are downloading/installing on Xbox, GP users will be able to play the games via Cloud as they wait!!!. GP will becoming to browers now no longer app exclusive. Don't yall be playing on your boss computer at work lol

[sourOG]

If it works then I’m all about it. I doubt it will work like it’s supposed to, I’d rather a traditional console honestly. It will be cool when then are easily available.

[Flewid638]

Doesnt matter where the games are.......what matters is WHAT the games are. And sadly Xbox has very little.

[MadLad]

We all know at this point there's a huge amount of games coming. I don't know what people are going to hit them with when they no longer can say they have no games.

N4G will think of something.

[slowgamer]

I'd be more optimistic if my experience with xcloud beta on PC with browser would not been such a horrible trying outriders and some others. Lag and input delay was real also resolution was pretty garbage.

[CYALTR]

All early tech has it's struggles. Give it time

[slowgamer]

I'm trying. =P

[Zerobalance]

It's so exciting, Xbox have announced they are working on future Xboxes as we speak.

[The-VG-shamman]

few will agree with me but hear me out. although an xbox tv might sound ludacris; the potential to reconfigure fidelity and advanced picture settings by the games software will create many unique vizual characteristic that will be true to color. in other words developers will have the ability to present theyre games with theyre own vision. literaly. HDR is simply a half step due to all hdr tvs producing the effects divergently. now the source will have the picture influnced by the game itself.

[Trilithon]

this means they aren't happy with console sales so they're cramming it down your throat regardless. it wont be built in but youll have the option to stream it for a fee of course. if all you needed was to buy a controller then scalpers would buy all the controllers

[YourMommySpoils]

That's probably the best way to end itself, by slowly hiding its name into televisions. Clever thinking Microsoft on how to say bye bye.

[MadLad]

They're literally working on the next Xbox hardware as we speak.

This is an option.
An. Option.

Xbox will never go pure streaming, until the day it's pretty much unanimous throughout the industry. That's a far ways away. Hopefully will never happen.

[YourMommySpoils]

Suuuuuuuuurrree they are. They additionally want to partner with Nintendo. Even if they are working on a new Xbox for whatever sales, Their main console is heading the way of Sega.

[Silly gameAr]

Well, that's one way to cheat the system, and get your name into everyone's home...one way or another. MS reminds me of a used car salesman. If you buy this TV, I'll throw in an xbox and all of these awesome services, that you likely already have, for free!

[strayanalog]

At least the longtime doubters of inevitability have something to look forward to now.

[Benficaman]

probably, like we have, HBO, Netflix, Disney+,

But i think nothings beats the excitment of a brand new console launch.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

How is it that a certain group of gamers tell us PS NOW is better than GamePass but then turn around and say "I can't imagine streaming games" using the PS NOW subscription they were bragging about days ago?

[CYALTR]

That is a great point that I haven't seen mentioned by anyone else. I think you are right about PS NOW being stream only and I constantly see fanboys comparing this favorably to GP. Can't really have it both ways

[Binarycode]

TV TV TV

[Harryvok]

Until game streaming is uninterrupted 4K 60fps with no input lag, no thanks.

[Eviltattoo]

This has Kinect v2 written all over it. My PTSD is kicking in.

[CrimsonWing69]

I know people hate this, but I'm all for it. Honestly, the hobby is getting way too expensive for me to keep up. I'd like a Gamepass service and let you buy the games you want but keep them in a library like Steam does.

[JayRyu]

The traditional console is not going away at all. This just gives MS a means of gaining more game pass subscriptions and selling software in the cloud like like Stadia.

It's Business. Like Sony putting more games on PC

[headshotfrosty]

This may be good long term....hope they don’t go too fast and trip up.

[frostypants]

So...built in Stadias, basically. Gross.

[WeAreLegion]

It's just an app, right? Why is that a big deal?

[ballisticvoodoo]

Pathetic.

[Petebloodyonion]

I just find it ironic that the majority of ppl screaming RIP Xbox or that's been Ms goal all along to go the Stadia route are the usuals Playstation loyalist who seems to forget that Sony made the exact same move with some Bluray players and Tv by having the Playstation apps already installed.
Last I check I don't really see a difference between MS having XCloud app installed and what Sony did with Playstation Now.

[derek]

Tv, tv, TV! Maybe Matricks was correct all along...

[Orchard]

I too require a TV to play my games. This is nothing new.

[DiRtY]

I know you guys want to spin this, but this is about expanding Xbox.

Traditional consoles are not going anywhere.
Heck, they’ve built the most powerful console for years now. They won’t stop this.

Don’t you think MS (and Sony) saw what happened to Stadia? Cloud Gaming is an addition, not a replacement.

But this is not about logic or reasonable arguments on N4G. This is about bashing Microsoft (again) and painting the darkest possible pictures.

[AFKghost]

Microsoft is so stupid. This is the same dumb idea gaming companies tried in the 80s and 90s and it failed miserably .

[DiRtY]

Cloud gaming in the 80s?
Care to explain?

And if you refer to TVs - don't you think the TV market might have evolved a little since then?

[Orchard]

I remember trying out cloud gaming back in the 80s on my 300 bit / sec connection. Super cool at the time.

/s

[Aussiesummer]

"Another way Xbox is expanding is by launching Game Pass in more regions. The service will come to Australia, Brazil, Mexico, and Japan later in 2021"
um we have had it in australia since launch.....

[Orchard]

This article is wrong - the official press release said they are launching streaming in Australia.

[gold_drake]

i mean that has been their goal for a while now, xbox as a netlix type of thing.
not sure if thats really the future. imagine the cost of those tvs lol.

[Brutus83]

This isnt a new concept. NES,SNES, PS2s were all built into tvs. Whats the big deal?

[nitroxhotshot]

Basically a stadia
We all know how well that turned out

[dreamed]

Stop the fomo on YouTube said this was gonna happen months ago.we will end up with lots of companies making gamepass enabled devices a bit like windows I suppose?.

[wiz7191]

I mean it’s called options lol it’s always going to be a traditional console. Just more options to jump into the ecosystem, I just see y’all Sony fanboys want Xbox out the market soooooo bad. It’s not happening, again it’s called giving more ppl options. Not everybody can afford a console these days, did y’all forget about the pandemic already ??

[Ninver]

"Is this not what you wanted? Isn't this what you asked for?! 😐

[DaveZero]

It's that time of year when these types of story's start floating around and on here the Sony fanboys enjoy it to its max and believe it all.

This story or a similar one like it came out I remember during the 360 era, never thought I'd here or see it again.

Why even put a console into a TV and if ms did something like that I believe it would be just another one of there many ways to buy a console and play games how you like.

Remember the old ms saying of: buy your games and play on anything you choose to, They're still focused on achieving that.

Personally I don't think putting consoles in a TV means it's the end of the Xbox but if it comes to pass it just means it would be another option. Remember these company's are looking for multiple ways in how to grab your money and this console capability in a TV would just be another way.