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Michael Pachter on Switch Projections, PlayStation 5 Date, and Xbox One's Future

On this week's episode, Wedbush Securities research analyst and host of the Pachter Factor, Michael Pachter, joins host Josiah Renaudin to discuss the business of making video game projections. Pachter explains why the Nintendo Switch might need a price cut, when we can expect to see the PlayStation 5, why Microsoft will always be second in the console race, the future of virtual reality, and why you don't need to worry about 4K until 2020.

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smolinsk2680d ago

Smart man that Michael Pachter.

bloop2680d ago

I don't know who's giving you disagrees because you're right, he is a smart man. Anyone that can get paid well and make a good living out of just pulling random predictions out of his ass has to be a smart man.

IAmLoki2680d ago

Almost everything he says the opposite happens.

BG115792679d ago

He is smart. How the hell do you explain for him making money with his predictions ? The guy is mostly wrong, but people still pay him to get his point of view of things.
He's smart alright. ^^

indysurfn2679d ago

@IAMLoki perfect analysis. That is how Analyst get up liquidity for there clients. Tell the public the opposite of what his client wants to do. If the Client wants to sell a company he will pump it up ahead of time. If his clients need to buy a company they will put it down ahead of time.

OB1Biker2679d ago

Maybe a lot of people are not?

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corroios2680d ago

Lol, 2020? Patcher so far away from the reality...

Omnislashver362680d ago

With PS5 in 2018-2019 we'll fully exploit 4K for some games very soon. With 1800p for now, there's already an advantage for 4K in 2017. This guy is an idiot.

demonddel2680d ago

Sony just release the Pro it hasn't even been 6mons yet and yall already talking about the PS5

RosweeSon2680d ago

Your not getting a ps5 anytime soon. Scorpio doesn't come out until late 2017. Sony just realised their pro 3 months ago. They've barely just cleared 50 million the halfway mark for them they got another 2-3 years of PS4 minimum. Can't see a ps5 launching until late 2019 (Dec Japan Only) if at all... 2020 the likely time.

Omnislashver362680d ago (Edited 2680d ago )

@demonddel

Are you f-ing joking? We're at an article with Patcher talking about 4K arriving in 2020. I just bought and am content with a PS4-Pro, the only reason I brought up PS5 is because that's what the article is about. Try reading next time? Talk about shooting the messenger.

freshslicepizza2680d ago

Soon after scorpio comes out there will be more and more talk about the ps5. It's just natural for the community to not feel inferior as far as tech and performance. The issue Sony then faces is what is the value of the PS4 pro especially if the PS5 does not support PS4 games. Microsoft wants a continuation of your software to stay with you.

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ShadowKnight2679d ago (Edited 2679d ago )

@Moldybread

What makes you think the PS5 won't support PS4 games??? If the PS5 have an AMD GPU in it I'm sure it will support PS4 games and BC.

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FITgamer2680d ago

2020 Sounds reasonable. That's when I personally would expect a PS5 launch.

smashman982679d ago

I'd say late 2018 to mid 2019

freshslicepizza2679d ago

2020 at the very latest, probably 2019. i expect sometime next year in 2018 leaks will be out there and that is exactly what sony wants, to keep the focus away from scorpio if it does gain some traction for microsoft.

ShadowKnight2679d ago (Edited 2679d ago )

@Moldybread

It will keep the focus away from Scorpio regardless imo until Microsoft release a big new IP from their first party studios. I'm waiting for their new big franchise that's bigger than Halo.

morganfell2679d ago

It isn't just when it is out that matters but also when it is announced. They can announce it long before they have complete specs, a design, and exact launch date. Any of it. Announcing it will take the wind out of the competition fast. Particularly if they say it will be B/C with current PS4 titles. I do not think B/C is a big issue but it will push some consumers toward the PS4 if they know the PS5 supports those titles. It is more about marketing than reality.

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Psytrix2679d ago

We'll all be buying 8K sets by then. :-)

FlyingFoxy2679d ago (Edited 2679d ago )

When 4k is only just starting to be playable on PC with high end GPU's, if wanting 60fps in some games? Not likely, games will run like utter crap for a long time at 8k when 4k hasn't even fully stretched it's legs yet. Then 4k 144hz monitors are coming out this year, they would be much better.

For TV's 1080p is also fine, even Linus reviewed a 4k set recently and said there isn't a big difference. It's all a distance thing, sit a normal/average viewing distance from the TV and you'd not notice much of a difference. Really it's only for sitting very close up, ideal for a PC monitor only mostly. Even then it depends on the screen size.

LamerTamer2680d ago

Scorpio is much more powerful than the PS4 pro so we will see.

Sm00thNinja2680d ago

Says who? Have you seen official specs?

Eldyraen2680d ago

Every single piece of information has pointed in that direction. You can argue it's not a full generation above it (as most full generation leaps are 2-3x more powerful or even more) but it's still substantial.

If rumors are right it's basically about a generation above One/PS4 (base) and still about 1.5 beyond the pro's power. Are the rumors true? Who knows but just going by Teraflops alone (not really a perfect system) it's significant no matter how you want to look at it.

It doesn't mean it will make it a success (I still see PS4 outselling One) but the power difference should be real.

yeahright22680d ago

@eldy Teraflops are a horrible measure though. I mean the PS4 Pro can do 8 teraflops technically.

http://segmentnext.com/2016...

Add to that new rumors that the scorpio will also be doing quite a bit of upscaling... best we all wait for official specs before comparisons start.

RosweeSon2680d ago

Doubtful as other than a name and claim "it's gonna be all powerful" it's all up in the clouds still.

BizarroUltraman62679d ago

@yeahright,

If the Pro can do 8.4 tflops, then the Scorpio can do 12 tflops using the same half methods. So lets stop trying to move to post even further. The Scorpio no matter what you guys have to say is still gonna be more powerful than the Pro. Be it 1.5x or more...

JasonKCK2679d ago

Yup! some were released last year at E3. Deny all you want but Scorpio is significantly more powerful than the Pro. You would have to stick another PS4 in the Pro just to get close.

81BX2679d ago

@smooth
Do you think it wont be? Or around the same?

ChickenOfTheCaveMan2679d ago

@BizarroUltraman6 Who says the 6 teraflops number is not calculated by saying like 25% of the operation should be done in half floats? And to say that Scorpio is much more than the Pro is like saying the PS4 is much more powerful than X1, same ratio, I'll go with only "more powerful" if the specs are right.

yeahright22679d ago

@bizzaro, take off the fanboy hat for a second and you'll realize the point I was making wasn't that the Pro will be more powerful, it was that what we're using to measure scorpio, isn't the best tool. And we don't know if the scorpio will be able to use the same trick to double its teraflops. Why? Because we don't have the specs yet (hence why I said we should wait for the specs). On top of that, even if the scorpio can't double the teraflops, it won't mean that it's less powerful. Why? because teraflops is not a goo way measure power. It just gives you a ball park of what it's capable of. (hence why I said teraflops is a horrible way to measure.)

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Old_Boss_2680d ago

Scorpio Fall 2017 , PS5 Fall 2019 (probably) and PS5 probably will be more powerful and then a new more powerful Xbox in Fall 2020/21 and so on and on this cycle will never end.

ShadowKnight2680d ago (Edited 2680d ago )

But what console will have the most exclusives and first party studios? That will be key ntm who will have the most popular trademark in the world by 2019-2020? Microsoft or Sony?

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BizarroUltraman62679d ago

@ShadowKnight, popular trademark or brand? Playstation was established 4-5 yrs before Xbox came. And its popularity has only grown since, I think PS5 will be a sure hot seller when it comes around if this gen is any indication. And PS will still have #1 position. As for Microsoft, they have work to do to fix brand image with all the 180s they do, they lost some trust from gamers. Scorpio and some new games can fix that tho... I'll wait and see what happens.

Cmv382680d ago

Much more powerful? Based on what?

LamerTamer2679d ago

Everything said about it including leaked specs.

jrshankill2679d ago

...Every developer who has looked at it

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RosweeSon2680d ago

PS4 still got plenty of grunt under the hood you've seen god of war on ps2 Gran turismo 6 on PS3... PS4 has got some big big games still to come and they prob won't be fully flexing the console give it 2-3 years when it's nearing the end of its cycle they'll get some great looking games out for it still and Xbox wanna go next gen haha. Only because they've given up on this one already.

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Hardiman2680d ago

I agree with him on quite a few things in particular the 4K broadcasting as I have dish and there are only a few PPV channels that do 1080P most are 1080i or 720P. I love my 4K tv though and do look forward to more content. As it is right now the Pro is good enough and the games that are out or are coming while they may not be native 4K they look absolutely beautiful, Horizon, Nioh, Mass Effect, God of War, Uncharted 4, Days Gone and so on. The buffer between gens seems smart as well.

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Take-Two CEO Doesn’t Think AI Will Reduce Employment or Dev Costs; “Stupidest Thing” He’s Heard

Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick doesn't think AI will reduce employment or lower development costs, and calls it "stupidest thing" he's ever heard.

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lodossrage7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

They already have AI trained to do coding.......

How he thinks it's stupid is beyond me, Especially since we see it happening in real time.

CS75h ago

Company A has 300 employees and lays of 200 to replace them with AI to release the same quality game.

Company B has 300 employees and keeps all 300 but instead uses AI to release a game with dramatically larger scale, scope, complexity, short dev cycle etc.

Company B would release a dramatically better product by using humans + AI and consumers would buy the better game.

I actually agree with this concept.

Huey_My_D_Long5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

This is key facet. Its how the AI is used. It's actually is impressive as is and really would make an amazing addition to alot of people in their jobs, not just tech. It also has the potential for businesses to use to lay off large amounts of people, as much as they could to save money on labor. I hope too many companies don't go with the latter. But since usually companies are worried about bottom line over people...we will see some try and hopefully fail. But yeah, if its to help workers like in your company B scenario I'm totally down...Just scared Company A may be too enticing to some ceos and businesses.

Darkegg5h ago

Value of AI and value of humans will both be increased with human-AI complex. Each, by themselves, will not be independently better than the other. Whether AI will ever be independent from humans is the fear question of humans, ironically because of our doing. At this stage, most of the doing is because of humans, not because of AI. AI is doing exactly that by our design, until we have failed ourselves with an AI development that went awry. The biggest take is that humans have only ourselves to blame when things become wrong, and we have to decide what is the ultimate goal with AI we want to accomplish. It would take a person with high morals and high ethics to make right of AI. I would not want businessman to decide what AI should do or what capabilities it can have. AI should be in the hands of people with high moral fiber, or those operating on love, kindness, and compassion.

BlackOni4h ago

AI is SUPPOSED to be used as a tool, not a replacement. It's designed to do two important things artists can take advantage of immediately.

- Make the ideation/reference imaging process much quicker and easier (basically using it as a google search)
- Make mundane and time consuming tasks faster and easier so more time is spent on creation.

Unfortunately, what many have done is used it as a way to replace rather than supplement.

Einhander19721h ago(Edited 1h ago)

CS7

In the ideal world yes.

In the real world where companies have shown little desire to innovate and spent every effort to maximize profits the end result will be the same quality games (if were lucky) made by less people and more AI.

Company Real World: Fires 200 people and makes the same game cheaper using AI and the executives get record bonuses.

Edit:

Lets look at history, specifically auto manufacturing.

In the 70's and 80's the auto unions tried to oppose automation of jobs (robots) stating that they would take peoples jobs. And the people in charge who wanted to make more money said the exact same types of things that are being said about AI. But we can look at history and see that countless types of jobs were in fact replaced by automation, that was of course even compounded upon by computers.

The net effect was that the rich got richer less jobs were needed so wages were forced down by competition for the jobs that were left.

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Number1TailzFan5h ago

You can already make your own SFX with text prompts now as well, of course it will lower development cost and time

1Victor5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

WARNING WARNING ‼️ SARCASM AHEAD
Sure Strauss and robots didn’t take jobs from car factories.
Edit:Sad thing is he believes it and unfortunately he won’t be replaced for a long time by AI

senorfartcushion3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

He doesn't, he's just lying. These people lay people off so they can get bonuses. If AI takes jobs, their bonus goes bigger and the workforce goes smaller.

porkChop1h ago

Because he sees AI as a tool to aid development. He wants to use AI to help make bigger and better games in the same timeframe. Other CEOs want to replace devs with AI to cut costs and make lifeless games faster for a quick buck. Strauss has the right idea, this is how AI should be used. To extend and expand the capabilities of devs.

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jambola7h ago

Ceo says stupid thing
Part 5837384

Zeref6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

I think maybe sometimes we give people in these positions too much credit when it comes to intelligence.

romulus235h ago

As long as it doesn't effect his inflated executive salary or his ridiculous bonuses I'm sure he's fine with it.

RNTody5h ago

Hahaha yeah trust the CEO suit over the actual developers making the games. Good one.

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HexGaming Launches Kickstarter Campaign for Hex Phantom

Custom Controller Company HexGaming launched a Kickstarter campaign for their latest pro controller, Hex Phantom. - IS

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Trying to push players over from PC to console is a terrible idea, PlayStation

As PlayStation announces its new strategy to encourage PC users to choose PS5 it is a bitter-sweet moment for PC gamers.

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Christopher2d ago

I mean, it's a business based on hardware market. Do we expect them to not even try? It's not like Nintendo doesn't do the same by not putting any games on PC and Microsoft until recently did the same. I don't care what they attempt, as long as they don't abuse the community or lie about their goals/requirements.

Will it work? Not likely. Should we care? No. Let them waste their time, it doesn't affect anything.

RaidenBlack2d ago

let them try ... at the end of the day, we get few extra PC games ... yay ... and also promotes game preservation via PC ... so double yay.

LordoftheCritics1d 10h ago

If only Playstation games provided the ease of pc gaming features.

Primary being very few PS games support m/kb.

Christopher1d 3h ago

If only PC games supported controllers more. Main reason I play primarily on console. So many games have shit support on PC. Playing Dark Envoy now, and it's quite frustrating since I have to switch to keyboard during cut scenes just to make sure advancing conversation doesn't also auto-select a decision. Let alone it's quite rough to select between characters and inventory screens are bad bad bad.

Anywho, similar complaints for both I find. But, I 100% agree that both PC and consoles should support both as best as possible.

crazyCoconuts22h ago

PS may push more kb support in the future to get more PC converts, we'll see.

Flewid63821h ago

As someone with a high end PC, I feel like the ease is on PS5. Too many PC games are a troubleshooting nightmare, which few people have the time for when all you want to do is pop in a game & play it.

Yui_Suzumiya14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

I just use an Xbox controller on my laptop for everything 😆 .. I haven't used a keyboard / mouse combo for PC gaming since 1996

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LordoftheCritics1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

I don't think you understand what I mean by the lack of m/kb support on PS.

Over a thousand titles have PS controller support on PC.

Not even 30 titles have m/kb support on PS5.

Once you are done with the single player title, you'll go back to playing your daily shooter/looter/mmo etc which the pc gamer has mastered with their mouse and keyboard.
Why would any pc gamer make the switch?

jznrpg17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

PC is secondary to PlayStation for them. Mouse and keyboard would affect development. Live service will have it but most single player games aren’t going to have it as PC is not the focus

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Fishy Fingers2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I wish them the best of luck.

But PC players are often a patient bunch, many will even wait for Epic launcher exclusivity to end until a game comes to Steam.

If they didnt buy the console when its games were exclusive, why would they do it now theyre not?

MrNinosan1d 12h ago

Way more do than you probably think.

ravens521d 12h ago

All you need is that one game that'll make a few switch at a time. Like a game a PC player REALLY wants.

porkChop1d ago

It just doesn't work that way though. Plenty of the best games ever made were never available on PC. That didn't make PC gamers buy consoles to play them. This kind of strategy has never worked in the past and it won't work now. It's fine for PS to hold their games back and release on PC later, but to think that will boost console sales is wishful thinking. All this will accomplish is some double dipping, which is obviously good for business.

JackBNimble23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

People aren't going to switch from pc to ps5, why would anyone do that for a game?
Most sony exclusives aren't all that to begin with, and pc has the option to upgrade what they want when they want it. Having access to some ps5 games, gamepass and steam.

Thinking this would happen is naive

outsider16241d 9h ago

I mean if there's 10 million pc gamers out there...getting atleast just 1 million from there is probably a good thing..right?

romulus231d 6h ago

PC players are not a monolith, I don't know why people keep thinking they speak for the entirety of all PC gamers like they all know each other personally. You think out of the millions of PC gamers not one single person will be impatient?Well Sony is willing to bet there will be. Why would they do it now? People's feelings change and new PC gamers come along all the time that may also feel different about waiting, that's why.

Yui_Suzumiya14h ago

Just like how I'm waiting for Alan Wake II to hit Steam 😆

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-Foxtrot2d ago

PC gamers are just too patient and loyal to their gaming set ups, something they've spent a lot of money on to perfect. They have backlogs of games which many never get round to finishing or get round to at all and will always have other multiplatform releases to keep them going.

Over the many years Sony has published so many awesome titles such as The Last of Us, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Infamous, Killzone, LittleBigPlanet, Dreams, Puppeteer, Resistance, Heavy Rain, Gran Turismo, Motor Storm, God of War, Horizon, Ratchet and Clank, Spiderman, Ghost of Tsushima, Bloodborne

If none of those games BEFORE all these PC ports convinced a hardcore PC gamer to get a PS5 console then why on Earth would porting them them to PC now make any difference? All PC gamers now know 100% is that they just have to be patient, which they are good at anyway to get a PS5 game 2 years later.

I get GaaS games or multiplayer focused titles but if people really want to play these games they'd have gotten a PS console years ago.

Crows901d 9h ago

Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer.

Not sure why people are obsessing over his comment...it seems pretty simple to me.

He will do all he can to entice gamers to move to his ecosystem. As you say....exclusives existing hasn't moved many gamers over. But if they get to try them and love the games then they might change their mind about waiting 2 years.

We're in an echo chamber on this site...I've Personally seen people with Xbox and PC setups but no PlayStation. I've also seen people with small PC setups but no console. Not every pc gamer invests thousands and many may decide to put one in the living room.

They're not looking to convince all of players to buy a PlayStation...just a few...and really it is just a PR statement after all...they have to give a reason why single player won't release day 1....not to mention they also have to ensure current PlayStation gamers don't jump ship to PC. It goes both ways and they're ignoring the big L by putting any of their games off their platform.

anast1d 8h ago

"Not sure they're aiming to convince the hardcore PC gamer."

Right here

Kakashi Hatake1d 9h ago

PC gamers think tomorrow is promised. Sorry, don't have time for that.

Michiel19891d 7h ago

it's not just about loyalty or sunk cost, pc is an open platform while consoles are closed platforms. If you for example want to mod, you will play on pc, no question about it. Also if you like indie games, steam is a fucking goldmine for that. I've been playing a lot of indie games over the last years and there just seems to be an endless amount of them on steam. Also not having games locked to a certain fps is a prettty big deal for me and I assume a lot of other pc players.

Walalon1d 6h ago

And don't forget steam sales, you can get a ton of games on an awesome price.

badz14921h ago

@Walalon

Sony has been doing sales constantly on the PS Store nowadays.

jznrpg17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

@Walalon Steam sales are basically the same as PS sales. I was going to buy a Steam Deck and I heard about these Steam sales but the games I was interested in were not any cheaper. Indie games were cheap and older AAA were cheap but the same can be said for PS store sales. I didn’t end up getting the Steam Deck as there weren’t any games that I wanted to play that wasn’t already on PS and prices aren’t much different

romulus231d 6h ago

And how do you know out of the millions of PC gamers that not one single person ever went ahead and bought a PlayStation console for one or more of those games? People keep speaking for the entirety of millions of PC gamers like they know them all personally. Here's one example for you, I'm currently typing on a recently purchased PC that cost me over twenty five hundred dollars and is more than capable of running any game including Sony exclusives that come to PC and yet I still bought a PS5 so apparently I'm not patient or loyal enough to my set up, hope it's not mad at me for not being loyal.

jznrpg17h ago

Some of those people will consider getting a PS5 some wont. I was a PC gamer for a long time and I’m a console only gamer now. Everyone’s different.

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helicoptergirl2d ago

Who cares? Then just stay on PC and play the waiting game. No big deal. Sony wins in the end anyway.

Number1TailzFan2d ago

I mean if there's any single player Sony games that I actually want that aren't on PC then I would buy said console to play them on. But the ones that I like that aren't on PC are few and far between anyway so no loss for me.

If I game, it's usually multiplayer titles, otherwise I like playing around with some other software.

Amplitude1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

Astro Bot is the game that just did it for me. I'm gonna have to grab a PS5 again for that.

I did this for Ratchet Rift Apart too but ended up selling the PS5 after getting my plat. Rebought it on PC and other than GoW Ragnarok and Horizon FW (which eventually I could get anyway), I haven't had a reason to downgrade my graphics, controller features, ease of recording, and increase my game costs and monthly subscriptions throughout this entire generation.

I play on a TV with a controller but this has been the absolute worst console gen for both consoles. Never in my life thought I'd be a PC gamer but I've been spoiled by the cheap costs, cross-platform controllers and mostly the unbelievably useful Steam controller config.

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