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Michael Pachter on Switch Projections, PlayStation 5 Date, and Xbox One's Future

On this week's episode, Wedbush Securities research analyst and host of the Pachter Factor, Michael Pachter, joins host Josiah Renaudin to discuss the business of making video game projections. Pachter explains why the Nintendo Switch might need a price cut, when we can expect to see the PlayStation 5, why Microsoft will always be second in the console race, the future of virtual reality, and why you don't need to worry about 4K until 2020.

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smolinsk2666d ago

Smart man that Michael Pachter.

bloop2666d ago

I don't know who's giving you disagrees because you're right, he is a smart man. Anyone that can get paid well and make a good living out of just pulling random predictions out of his ass has to be a smart man.

IAmLoki2666d ago

Almost everything he says the opposite happens.

BG115792666d ago

He is smart. How the hell do you explain for him making money with his predictions ? The guy is mostly wrong, but people still pay him to get his point of view of things.
He's smart alright. ^^

indysurfn2665d ago

@IAMLoki perfect analysis. That is how Analyst get up liquidity for there clients. Tell the public the opposite of what his client wants to do. If the Client wants to sell a company he will pump it up ahead of time. If his clients need to buy a company they will put it down ahead of time.

OB1Biker2666d ago

Maybe a lot of people are not?

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corroios2666d ago

Lol, 2020? Patcher so far away from the reality...

Omnislashver362666d ago

With PS5 in 2018-2019 we'll fully exploit 4K for some games very soon. With 1800p for now, there's already an advantage for 4K in 2017. This guy is an idiot.

demonddel2666d ago

Sony just release the Pro it hasn't even been 6mons yet and yall already talking about the PS5

RosweeSon2666d ago

Your not getting a ps5 anytime soon. Scorpio doesn't come out until late 2017. Sony just realised their pro 3 months ago. They've barely just cleared 50 million the halfway mark for them they got another 2-3 years of PS4 minimum. Can't see a ps5 launching until late 2019 (Dec Japan Only) if at all... 2020 the likely time.

Omnislashver362666d ago (Edited 2666d ago )

@demonddel

Are you f-ing joking? We're at an article with Patcher talking about 4K arriving in 2020. I just bought and am content with a PS4-Pro, the only reason I brought up PS5 is because that's what the article is about. Try reading next time? Talk about shooting the messenger.

freshslicepizza2666d ago

Soon after scorpio comes out there will be more and more talk about the ps5. It's just natural for the community to not feel inferior as far as tech and performance. The issue Sony then faces is what is the value of the PS4 pro especially if the PS5 does not support PS4 games. Microsoft wants a continuation of your software to stay with you.

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ShadowKnight2666d ago (Edited 2666d ago )

@Moldybread

What makes you think the PS5 won't support PS4 games??? If the PS5 have an AMD GPU in it I'm sure it will support PS4 games and BC.

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FITgamer2666d ago

2020 Sounds reasonable. That's when I personally would expect a PS5 launch.

smashman982666d ago

I'd say late 2018 to mid 2019

freshslicepizza2666d ago

2020 at the very latest, probably 2019. i expect sometime next year in 2018 leaks will be out there and that is exactly what sony wants, to keep the focus away from scorpio if it does gain some traction for microsoft.

ShadowKnight2666d ago (Edited 2666d ago )

@Moldybread

It will keep the focus away from Scorpio regardless imo until Microsoft release a big new IP from their first party studios. I'm waiting for their new big franchise that's bigger than Halo.

morganfell2666d ago

It isn't just when it is out that matters but also when it is announced. They can announce it long before they have complete specs, a design, and exact launch date. Any of it. Announcing it will take the wind out of the competition fast. Particularly if they say it will be B/C with current PS4 titles. I do not think B/C is a big issue but it will push some consumers toward the PS4 if they know the PS5 supports those titles. It is more about marketing than reality.

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Psytrix2665d ago

We'll all be buying 8K sets by then. :-)

FlyingFoxy2665d ago (Edited 2665d ago )

When 4k is only just starting to be playable on PC with high end GPU's, if wanting 60fps in some games? Not likely, games will run like utter crap for a long time at 8k when 4k hasn't even fully stretched it's legs yet. Then 4k 144hz monitors are coming out this year, they would be much better.

For TV's 1080p is also fine, even Linus reviewed a 4k set recently and said there isn't a big difference. It's all a distance thing, sit a normal/average viewing distance from the TV and you'd not notice much of a difference. Really it's only for sitting very close up, ideal for a PC monitor only mostly. Even then it depends on the screen size.

LamerTamer2666d ago

Scorpio is much more powerful than the PS4 pro so we will see.

Sm00thNinja2666d ago

Says who? Have you seen official specs?

Eldyraen2666d ago

Every single piece of information has pointed in that direction. You can argue it's not a full generation above it (as most full generation leaps are 2-3x more powerful or even more) but it's still substantial.

If rumors are right it's basically about a generation above One/PS4 (base) and still about 1.5 beyond the pro's power. Are the rumors true? Who knows but just going by Teraflops alone (not really a perfect system) it's significant no matter how you want to look at it.

It doesn't mean it will make it a success (I still see PS4 outselling One) but the power difference should be real.

yeahright22666d ago

@eldy Teraflops are a horrible measure though. I mean the PS4 Pro can do 8 teraflops technically.

http://segmentnext.com/2016...

Add to that new rumors that the scorpio will also be doing quite a bit of upscaling... best we all wait for official specs before comparisons start.

RosweeSon2666d ago

Doubtful as other than a name and claim "it's gonna be all powerful" it's all up in the clouds still.

BizarroUltraman62666d ago

@yeahright,

If the Pro can do 8.4 tflops, then the Scorpio can do 12 tflops using the same half methods. So lets stop trying to move to post even further. The Scorpio no matter what you guys have to say is still gonna be more powerful than the Pro. Be it 1.5x or more...

JasonKCK2666d ago

Yup! some were released last year at E3. Deny all you want but Scorpio is significantly more powerful than the Pro. You would have to stick another PS4 in the Pro just to get close.

81BX2665d ago

@smooth
Do you think it wont be? Or around the same?

ChickenOfTheCaveMan2665d ago

@BizarroUltraman6 Who says the 6 teraflops number is not calculated by saying like 25% of the operation should be done in half floats? And to say that Scorpio is much more than the Pro is like saying the PS4 is much more powerful than X1, same ratio, I'll go with only "more powerful" if the specs are right.

yeahright22665d ago

@bizzaro, take off the fanboy hat for a second and you'll realize the point I was making wasn't that the Pro will be more powerful, it was that what we're using to measure scorpio, isn't the best tool. And we don't know if the scorpio will be able to use the same trick to double its teraflops. Why? Because we don't have the specs yet (hence why I said we should wait for the specs). On top of that, even if the scorpio can't double the teraflops, it won't mean that it's less powerful. Why? because teraflops is not a goo way measure power. It just gives you a ball park of what it's capable of. (hence why I said teraflops is a horrible way to measure.)

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Old_Boss_2666d ago

Scorpio Fall 2017 , PS5 Fall 2019 (probably) and PS5 probably will be more powerful and then a new more powerful Xbox in Fall 2020/21 and so on and on this cycle will never end.

ShadowKnight2666d ago (Edited 2666d ago )

But what console will have the most exclusives and first party studios? That will be key ntm who will have the most popular trademark in the world by 2019-2020? Microsoft or Sony?

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BizarroUltraman62666d ago

@ShadowKnight, popular trademark or brand? Playstation was established 4-5 yrs before Xbox came. And its popularity has only grown since, I think PS5 will be a sure hot seller when it comes around if this gen is any indication. And PS will still have #1 position. As for Microsoft, they have work to do to fix brand image with all the 180s they do, they lost some trust from gamers. Scorpio and some new games can fix that tho... I'll wait and see what happens.

Cmv382666d ago

Much more powerful? Based on what?

LamerTamer2666d ago

Everything said about it including leaked specs.

jrshankill2665d ago

...Every developer who has looked at it

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RosweeSon2666d ago

PS4 still got plenty of grunt under the hood you've seen god of war on ps2 Gran turismo 6 on PS3... PS4 has got some big big games still to come and they prob won't be fully flexing the console give it 2-3 years when it's nearing the end of its cycle they'll get some great looking games out for it still and Xbox wanna go next gen haha. Only because they've given up on this one already.

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Hardiman2666d ago

I agree with him on quite a few things in particular the 4K broadcasting as I have dish and there are only a few PPV channels that do 1080P most are 1080i or 720P. I love my 4K tv though and do look forward to more content. As it is right now the Pro is good enough and the games that are out or are coming while they may not be native 4K they look absolutely beautiful, Horizon, Nioh, Mass Effect, God of War, Uncharted 4, Days Gone and so on. The buffer between gens seems smart as well.

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Nintendo’s new job opening hints at innovative packaging for future products

Nintendo of America has posted a fascinating new job opening that could signal significant changes for the company’s future products.

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Take-Two Head Denies Closing OlliOlli World, Kerbal 2 Devs

Take-Two head Strauss Zelnick has denied closing Rollerdrome developer Roll7 or Kerbal Space Program 2 studio Intercept Games.

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-Foxtrot2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That's hilarious because he did and said the same thing with 2K Marin who developed Bioshock 2

They've been closed since 2013 but not officially acknowledged

He just doesn't want the backlash so pretends there's no issue.

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New PlayStation Handheld Reported Again, Supposedly Runs PS4 Games

Another leaker has claimed that a PSP/PS Vita style PlayStation handheld is in the works, and it'll supposedly support PS4 games.

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anast2d ago

If this is true, it will crush everything for the price.

VenomUK1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Needs to be a PS5 portable.

Cacabunga1d 13h ago

PS4 native with PS5 remote play capabilities. Would be sweet.

And let PS Portal support cloud streaming for all PS+ games.

anast1d 13h ago

Going off all the pricing behavior of Sony to this point. I'm willing to bet it will be cheaper than the Steam Deck. And when the price is revealed and I am right, send me a message.

Cacabunga1d 12h ago

Could be an attempt to counter switch 2 which will have PS4 power.
Imagine all the PS4 third party re releases switch 2 is going to get.. “PS4 portable” could get the exact same games once again and publishers can resell software ..

If this portable has provides PS5 remote play on top then it will have a nice argument and exclusive feature.

DarXyde18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Cacabunga,

Possibly, though I think any attempt to win against Nintendo in the handheld space is hopeless.

I loved the PSP and I still enjoy my Vita, but there's something about a full scale Mario and Zelda in your hands that makes it clear Sony should share the space, but never dream of taking it.

It's a very safe bet from Sony to have it run PS4 games too because then neither you nor developers are on the hook to make dedicated games for it.

Time will tell. I hope it's real. I'm willing to bet that it is—this is an inevitable strategy for Nintendo and the Surface team is allegedly handling Microsoft's next hardware stint. Sony wouldn't be the only one without portable hardware.

JL29307h ago

$199 for a dedicated handheld when they are trying to sell that piece of shit streaming screen for the same price. Hilarious.

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crazyCoconuts1d 14h ago

It would be a niche product like Portal. Not bad, but not mainstream. It's legacy PS4 right?

Kneetos1d 13h ago

The switch 2 and next steam deck will be out by then and will likely be way more popular

anast1d 13h ago

The switch 2 will be a handheld Series S for kids and the next steam deck will be ridiculously over priced for a bunch of aging CRPGS and F2P mobile style games.

Kneetos1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

@Anast the switch 2 will Fortnite dance on the new Sony handhelds grave
Playstation can't compete with Nintendo there

With playstation porting all it's games to pc and by extension steam deck it pretty much makes the new pshandheld system irrelevant

Especially since all I ever hear from the Sony crowd is "I NEED graphics or I can't enjoy the game" a handheld PS4 is going the same way as Sony's handheld ps3

Hypertension1401d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

If the switch 2 isn't backwards compatible, it will fail.

If this is true, then it will already have a large of games to play from the start, add ps1,ps2,psp,vita games to the mix, and it can be massively popular.

anast16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

The switch is a Mario machine and for kids, they have their own space. Tell me where I am wrong here.

The problem is that Sony isn't porting all of the games to the Steam Deck specifically. The Steam Deck can't play every game. It even has a verified category with games that run the best and a "playable" category that can barely run games. So, the best option to play would obviously be a Sony product.

The last point is inane. I can't respond to comments that use caps. the point should be able to stand on it's own

NotoriousWhiz16h ago

It doesn't matter hiw popular the Playstation handheld is if it shares the same library as the PS5. It just brings more people into the ecosystem and provides them with more ways to play their games.

Kneetos15h ago

@anast Nintendo is competing with Sony and no amount of backpedaling will change that
They were competing during the GameCube era and the Wii u era, coincidentally the 2 gens they lost to Sony, but we're suddenly not competing during the ds, Wii and 3ds era because they beat playstation, but of course we can't have that can we so "Nintendo isn't competition Sony auto wins"

The switch is more then a mario and even a first party machine these days as there are plenty of games, specifically Japanese and indi games that are doing better on switch then their ps counterpart
It's irrelevant that Sony isn't specifically porting to steam deck, the games will end up on there and people will wait for a pc port just like how playstation fans wait for a playstation port of games, you aren't unique

Playstation fans constantly brag on graphics, so a handheld that only plays PS4 games isn't going to entice a lot of them, like the vita before it, and Sony has a history of just dropping unsuccessful projects, the vita psvr and it looks like the portal isn't doing too hot either

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Vits1d 12h ago

They literally charged people $199 for a bottom-of-the-barrel tablet with a DualSense controller bolted on. So I really can't see them releasing a powerful yet affordable native handheld.

Ps5conehead1d 8h ago

I love my portal I’m handicapped and the portal lets me play on days I’m not at my best. It’s great .and the screen is admazing even though it’s not oled

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-Foxtrot2d ago

If you had every PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP and PSV game then sure but I mean if it's just the PS4 why not just get a Steam Deck?

anast1d 15h ago

You might be correct, but it depends on the price point. Also, most PC gamers wait years for Sony releases, so it might be better just to get the PS4 handheld.

crazyCoconuts1d 14h ago

I'd be surprised if Sony reversed course and continued to put new releases on PS4. It would cannibalize their PS5 sales

MrBaskerville1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

If it supports your library, some people own more ps4 games than steam games. I know I do.

crazyCoconuts1d 14h ago

I might buy something like this to play my old library but man those old games are cheap on steam. This console would have to be cheap to make sense. I don't see it happening

MrBaskerville1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

@CrazyCoconuts
I also think it sounds a little off. I would probably buy if it could run Ps5 games, but that sounds expensive. Being ps4 only is a little limiting I think.

But if it ran all ps4 titles and new stuff created for the handheld. then it could be interesting. Basically a Vita that just happened to come with a huge ass backlog of existing games.

FinalFantasyFanatic16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

My libraries are roughly equal in size for both, maybe if I could play more classics games on the Playstation one I could consider it. But it's a tough selling point for people who aren't already heavily invested in the Playstation ecosystem.

SegaSaturn6691d 13h ago

Deck is very viable option given how good PS3 and switch emulation have become. Even new releases are chugging along at 30fps.

Lexreborn21d 13h ago

To be fair, I have a lot of ps4 games I don’t have on steam that is can play on my ps5 but I choose to play ps5 games on my ps5.

I also haven’t rebought any of my PlayStation exclusives on PC because I own them on my ps4/5 and even the upgraded ways that rival the pc version. So, if I wanted to play them on my steam deck I would still have to buy them again which if I bought the 6 top games Spider-Man 1,2, mm, horizon, fw , GoW and ragnarok and GoT with LoU1,2. It would more then. Likely be the cost of this device.

So, instead of double dipping I would buy the handheld and if it has a playable sf6 that actually works online (steam deck is not functional) I think I would want it for myself

Vits1d 12h ago

If you have them in digital form, for sure. Because I don't see Sony giving you a digital copy of your old physical PS4 games. That doesn't sound like them at all.

And also, Steam doesn't depend on PS4 games. PC got more games that generation than all the consoles combined. The ports of PlayStation games are just one of the cherries on top of the cake.

Lexreborn21d 7h ago

@vits I do have them in digital form which is why I said from my perspective. I also have a steam deck but that doesn’t mean everything runs on it which not everything is playable. And as I am also stating the perks of why people WOULD want them even while having a steam deck it’s weird to see people disagreeing purely because I wouldn’t want to double dip financially.

But even in the event you have physical copies of games, if you have ps plus most if not all of the ps4 games are there. So, it’s not like the options are non existent and people can’t find VIABLE reasons to purchase the device.

If people are justifying the portal, they can justify a dedicated portable. The desire to make it seem like people can only own one thing these days is an odd occurrence.

Vits1d 6h ago

@Lexreborn2
Then for sure, if you already have your library in digital form, something that can tap into it is definitely a good deal. That's basically the same reason why the Steam Deck is popular with PC and Steam users in general, because their library is available on it.

PS Plus is an extra cost though, and those games aren't yours. So I get where you are coming from, but that is a different discussion. As for the Portal, I don't get how people justify that piece of crap either, but they sure did so I can see a PS Vita 2 being sucessful. I don't see it being cheap or better value than the Steam Deck or any Windows Handheld, unless Sony really makes some radical changes.

As for why people want one device to rule them all instead of a bunch of them, it's likely because most people here are adults. If I recall correctly, the N4G user base is around their mid-30s. At this point in life, the issue is not usually owning things but actually having time to use them.

FinalFantasyFanatic15h ago

@Vits,
I don't think a new PS handheld would be worth it for me after owning the Steamdeck, assuming there will probably be a lot of overlap of both libraries in my case, so just having the one device is fine for me (I don't need the clutter or devices with too much overlap). I'll probably just stream the PS4 games I don't have on Steam to the Steam Deck via Chiaki, I would probably need the PS handheld to have its own exclusives to entice me.

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Profchaos1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

Because if you already have a large digital library of PS4 titles and this plays PS4 games you don't need much more than the system. It's also rumoured to play some ps5 games.

If you buy a steam deck you have to re buy your library.

Eonjay1d ago

If you are already in he PS ecosystem you probably have hundreds of digital PS4 games. Especially if you are on PSPlus Extra. These folks, of which there are millions upon millions would probably rater have access to the games they already own vs buying them all again on Steam.

FinalFantasyFanatic16h ago

This is the question, might be nice for the Playstation exclusive games from previous generations, but Sony's Playstation Classics lineup is seriously lacking, especially from their PS1 catalogue, I don't think the PS2/PS3 catalogue are that huge either.

A Steam Deck is already somewhere between a PS4 and a PS4 Pro in terms of power. Without those exclusive games from Sony's previous consoles, I don't see how you could convince anyone a new Playstation handheld to be better value than a Steam Deck. I can also literally put previous Playstation's libraries onto it without too much trouble.

-Foxtrot15h ago

“ Without those exclusive games from Sony's previous consoles, I don't see how you could convince anyone a new Playstation handheld to be better value than a Steam Deck.”

Exactly and this is a prime example of why exclusives matter

Without them Steamdeck just looks like the better choice overall

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XiNatsuDragnel1d 17h ago

I am hoping for amazing games

MeteorPanda1d 15h ago

I still play my vita. The oled screen was too good for it's time. I obviously had to home brew it but playing my old snes/ps1 games on it is so good.

Barlos21h ago

So many times I've been tempted to hack my Vita but I just can't bring myself to do it. I kind of want it to be as originalas possible. Also, for emulation I have my steam deck.

FinalFantasyFanatic15h ago

I was tempted to hack my Vita, but I couldn't bear to risk it, something about having the original software/experience on the handheld.

I'll happily emulate on the Steam Deck, especially the games that weren't available on the Aussie store or ones I just missed out on.

Skuletor1d 15h ago

How many people will buy this at launch? As a Vita owner, I'd definitely hold back after how Sony's support for that turned out.
Also, PSP played near PS2 quality games, PS Vita played near PS3 quality games, shouldn't the next Playstation handheld be aiming for near PS5 quality?

MeteorPanda1d 14h ago

the sadest thing on vita support for me was the removal of Close? The app that let you see local players and what they were playing. i made friends back in the day for co op that way lol.

I think it was privacy breaching? such a shame.

Skuletor1d 14h ago

Vita had so much promise, I wonder what it would have taken for Sony to have been more supportive. GTA: San Andreas Stories would have probably brought more sales alone, if they could have gotten that. I was disappointed we never really got anything on the same level as Killzone: Mercenary after that game, which looked amazing running on the Killzone 3 engine. Would have loved to see new entries of PS IP like Infamous, God of War etc, Sony really dropped the ball and using proprietary memory cards that were ridiculously priced didn't help, if they were smart, they'd have sold them cheaper since they were mainly being used to store stuff people were paying for in their store anyway, lol.

anast1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

The people that remember the vita are in the minority.

Skuletor1d 8h ago

So are the amount of people that bought it

Einhander19721d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

The point would be that it plays PS4 games, PS4 is still getting games constantly.

Everyone here including yourself presumably already has a library of games to play on this.

The success of the Portal shows the value of not needing to have a separate game library.

Skuletor1d 8h ago

I don't think it will have native PS4 support

FinalFantasyFanatic15h ago

@Skuletor,
Why not? The PS5 plays PS4 games fine (because the tech is similar), one could assume that if Sony is using AMD hardware, then they will probably have native PS4 support.

MeteorPanda1d ago

Honestly the amount of games you could get on these cards was better value than what the switch was offering per cartidge. Cartridges got no slack from these same people.

The games for vita were very cheap, 30 dollars on average in store.

FinalFantasyFanatic15h ago

I'm still salty about the proprietary memory card prices, I don't remember those ever getting cheap.

Eonjay1d ago

I mean how mich more support does the PS4 really need. It's not a new system... just a portable PS4. There are over 10 000 PS4 games available. Sony doesn't need to support it.

There are some crazy rumors out there but we don't have the technology to run a Series S in Portal mode let alone a PS5.

Skuletor23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

How many people that have a physical PS4 library will be willing to buy their games again to download these rumoured PS4 games to this rumoured portable? Until it gets officially revealed, none of us really know how this thing will operate but I will point out, Sony usually sell their consoles at low profit with the intention of making more money later in software sales. People that will be mostly playing games they already own, won't be their largest target market, most likely.

Also, hopefully it would have it's own exclusives to highlight the portables strengths too and not just games from a last gen system

FinalFantasyFanatic15h ago

Even if we did have the technology, imagine how terrible the battery life would be! You'd have to be more tethered to a power outlet than any of the other PC handhelds.

Barlos21h ago

Yeah same here. The way they handled the Vita has left me burned. I don't trust them to give a handheld the support it needs and so I'll not buy it at launch. I need to see their commitment first.

FinalFantasyFanatic15h ago

No, I don't think the technology would be near enough to give us PS5 quality, not unless you're okay with 20 mins battery life (then there's heat dissipation and weight to think of too). I feel like that's the mistakes PC handhelds like Rog Ally, MSI Claw and Lenovo Legion Go make, they over power the Steam Deck, but you pay for it in battery life, I'd rather have more battery life when I'm using a handheld.

To be fair though, with the race to beat climate change/reach net-zero, they're developing new battery tech all the time, maybe in a few years we could have a battery that adds a stupid amount of playtime to a powerful handheld.

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