Alan Wake: 30 FPS, 4xAA, 720p

Alan Wake could set a new benchmark in Xbox 360 graphics: According to a moderator of the official Remedy forum, Alan Wake runs in constant 30 FPS. Some menus and manuscript pages will locked to 60 FPS. And: The Xbox 360 hardware gives them the ability to apply 4xAA on trees and bushes.

[Geralt]

I think I'd prefer to run it with 16xAA, 1080P at 60FPS. :(

[Gimped Hardware]

We all would i presume.............

Perhaps the next gen of consoles but not yet.

[Dutch Boogie]

Well then, direct your hate letter to M$ head quarters.

[nix]

oh no.. they won't. they still think it's sony and sony fanboys' mistake.

[Veneno]

but I wonder if anyone here will spoil the ending like they did for HR. Hmmm......

[raztad]

THIS IS FOR SHAMAN (1.3).

Hey dude, judging for your comments about KZ2 is pretty much obvious you havent played the game. Anyone saying KZ2 is small corridor shooter is plain ignorant about everything in the game.

KZ2 multiplayer has exactly the same visuals than SP with huge maps and 32 players on it. The scope of KZ2 is midblowing for a game with those visuals. There is no Blur trying to cover bad textures, what you call light saturation is multiple sources of lightning, this technique will be used in Halo:Reach if I remember correctly.

[gaffyh]

@raztad - I 100% agree, nothing on console looks as good as Killzone 2 still. The only thing that comes close is Uncharted 2, and even that doesn't look as good as Killzone 2 in terms of atmospheric effects.

Killzone 2 is not a "corridor" shooter, there are lots of maps that have open environments, dynamic objects, smoke and realistic wind effects. Seriously, anyone that complains that KZ2 doesn't look good, hasn't played the game.

[maxcer]

KZ2 is a corridor shooter, same as GeoW2. when killzone has environments like farcry2 then you can say it has an open world. Your right about one thing, KZ2 has good visuals, but that doesn't make up for the controls (imo)

[ProjectVulcan]

1080/60 is just the preserve of the PC. The article says something about a constant 30 frames to avoid tearing, but doesnt exactly confirm vsync because every video i have seen has tearing issues, honestly it cant constantly be encoding issues every single time. Keeping a constant 30 frames does not guarantee no tearing, only vsync and triple buffering can do that.

As for the method of AA its probably a dynamic method which is governed by the framerate and load at any one time. Resi 5 for example claims 4 x MSAA on 360, but it comes on and off depending on how much other stuff is going on. Indeed a LOT of console games use a dynamic type of AA, or a very selective filter for only some edges, not the whole deely. In this case as mentioned no doubt a whole bunch of alpha to coverage for the semi transparent foliage. So again, we will see when its here and done and in my hands to decide if it is a game to meet Uncharted 2, which is vsynced and triple buffered, implements SSAO, Good AA quality and anisotropic filtering quality etc etc

[solidt12]

Sounds good. It's good that they can run 4xAA and I know the game looks great because I have seen direct footage, But these are just numbers and remember that. Some games look better because of other techniques and just having a better dev team.

[raztad]

@max

I didnt say KZ2 was open world game, just wanted to state game has huge maps. Obviously there is not free roaming and the game is absolutely linear but that doesnt translate to small maps and corridors everywhere.

[xTruthx]

I have to agree with raztad, It seems like you really haven't played the game and are judging by the same pics that have been over the internet since kz2 came out. To say that Alan Awake has a bigger scope than Uncharted 2 is saying a lot without even having the game to compare it too, IMO Alan awake doesn't touch uncharted 2 in any way on the graphical department and if you think Uncharted 2 doesn't have a huge scale then I really dk whats huge for you. You just have to play the part of the train to see how far Uncharted 2 goes in scale and graphical quality without getting blur's or low fps(frames per second)

[KingME]

The haters never take a day off.

Why does every xbxo 360 article result in negative comments, what is it about good 360 news that boils the blood of the PS3 fanboy. Every 360 graphics article ends in some lame a$$ comparison to KZ2 or UC2. Why can't we just read the article give a hem and a ha and move on.

You haters are just relentless, it's amazing the amount of energy you guys burn simply just hating on stuff. AW is going to be a good game and some of you guys just can't deal with it.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Alan Wake and Metro 2033 are simply the best looking games on console to date.

[cyborg6971]

And you've played through and finished them when? I would love to know where you got those games from so I could try em. AW looks good but let's get real why haven't we seen any game play at daytime with many enemies on screen at the same time. And kingme quit your crying as soon as the bots in this world back off I'm sure the droids will to. Your tear filled rant isn't even worthy of a daytime Emmy.

[Old Greg]

The sony kids who dont like the game, wont like ANYTHING on 360, period, so theres no use in arguing.

I really REALLY want a Fallout MMO. I dont play MMOs b/c they seem a tad bit nerdy, but Fallout would do so well as an MMO. Fallout 3 was all about walking around a HUGE wasteland, an discovering things, places, and people. I know this was offtopic, but it would be so awesome.

[bnaked]

"Every 360 graphics article ends in some lame a$$ comparison to KZ2 or UC2"

I can tell you why! Because from 2007 to 2009 all 360 fanboys bashed against the PS3, told us that "the 360 is much better in terms of grafics" and "the Cell is a Joke"! It's just the ultimative rage now..

[pixelsword]

motion blur is used to give a realistic look to things moving at varaible speeds. It's the same technique they call 'go-mo' for the movie Dragonslayer that was made in the 80's, but for computer animation and now rendered real-time in videogames.

Please don't be ignorant in film/game rendering techniques and try to pass them off as facts, Shaman.

[beans]

"I can tell you why! Because from 2007 to 2009 all 360 fanboys bashed against the PS3"

And I can tell you now your full of it! PS3 fanboys have been bashing 360 ever since PS3 was announced with it's 4 times the power marketing campaign. The only difference now is there trying to hold on to the graphics crown which has already been taken if the vids of Metro and AW are any indication of whats to come. Both sides are equally guilty so quit with the 360 fanboys started crap. All the off topic UC2 and KZ2 talk is just pointless when you have games that appear to already have passed them graphically. I know it's hard to face the truth but still not the end of the world. PS3 will eventually outdo 360 again and vice versa so hush already.

[UnwanteDreamz]

Metro and Alan Wake best console graphics? You have got to be fuc*in kidding me. Best console graphics if you only own an XBOX360.

Anyone should be able to tell it looks like it's gonna be great and I am even surprised by its polish but the best? What doesn't come out on XBOX360 that you fans don't call the best?

[BuZzz Killington]

but whatever this game looks good on the 360 im sure itll be awesome just play it or dont play it but seriously fanboys on both sides stop camparing everything to everything, leave your insecurities at the door, act like gamers for once and just enjoy games. like yeah i only own a ps3 but he i might borrow a 360 from a buddy to play this game. just cuz you dont own a console doesnt mean you have to smear every single game for it. 2 wrongs dont make a right. the fact that your smearing alan wake just means you actually like it and want to play it. goes all the way back to liking a girl or a guy, even if you say you hate someone but you constantly mention them all the time even though your saying you hate them you actually like them. ps3 fanboys you like alan wake cuz you cant stop thinkin about it and talkin about it, and xbox fanboys you like uncharted 2 and gow 3 because you talk about it and mention it all the time.....the only game omit from that theory is any halo game and forza motorsport.......decent specs 30 fps 4 AA 720p for consoles.

[IHateYouFanboys]

Killzone 2 uses every trick in the bag to make it look good. motion blur? check. grainy filter? check. drab colour palette? check. over-abundance of lens-flares and light bleeding? check. Killzone 2 has some of the worst, most low quality texture work in an AAA game this generation. everything is blurry and low res. but they HIDE it WELL. good on them for using tricks, as why would you care if they use 'tricks' as long as the game looks good? you shouldnt. (and yes, i own killzone 2 and have completed it)

i do have to correct some people though - killzone 2s multiplayer graphics do have their drawbacks. things often just pop-up into view as they get loaded up on the bigger maps, and it doesnt look quite as good as single player overall.

on to Uncharted 2 - when people are saying that Wake has bigger scope than Uncharted 2, there really is no way they can be wrong. Uncharted 2, as big as the environments LOOKED, only actually had tiny, tiny playable areas. its pretty much crash bandicoot for the PS3 - it looks like you have absolute freedom in these huge environments, but the second you try and move from the little corridor youre in, youre blocked by invisible walls, non-opening doors, or trees. the environments we've seen in Alan Wake so far already show more explorable areas than any area i can remember in Uncharted 2 (and yes, i also own it and have completed it). the train level might look good, but it doesnt hide the fact that the only playable area is essentially a hallway that is disguised as a train. everything thats going on in the background is just window-dressing.

anyway, i cant wait for Alan Wake, it looks incredible and if its anything like Remedys other games it will be fantastic. im just glad that i get to play it instead of pretending i dont want to play it and bagging it websites like the sony brigade on here.

[FACTUAL evidence]

Hmm....You must haven't played HR...i couldn't find this "trick" you were stating about in heavy rain....those textures are FAR from low res pal...

[Shaman]

LOL trees and bushes wont be only with 4xaa,he just said that frame buffer in 360 which has alpha to coverage feature gives them ability to apply 4xaa on trees and bushes also,because its a bit harder to anti aliase more complexed "geometry" like trees and bushes,thats what Crysis didnt really have until mods.BTW AW is technically very impressive.

"We like 4xAA. Due to the alpha-to-coverage feature on the Xbox 360 GPU, it's one of the key reasons we can render a lot of "alpha test" foliage like trees and bushes without them starting to shimmer or dither (as alpha-to-coverage with 4xAA effectively gives us 5 samples of alpha "blend" without actually using alpha blend). Of course that leads into a lot of interesting ways how to get the the other "standard" z-buffer based rendering schemes to not alias, but let's not get into that discussion right now."

[Ju]

And then people wonder why it's only used on leaves, huh ? Not much more mem left than using small geometry pre-backing textures in edram, huh ? Nice idea, though.

[megacheak]

Absolutely agree with you, Shaman
Raiinstorm81 writing (1.15):
"What about GOW3 and U2? Both have forest environment and as far as scale GOW3 will be king in that department."
What kind of scale exist in these games? ... They are both linear, GOW3 generally with a fixed camera. Large-scale scenes in GOW3, forests? - This type of pictures of trees floating away!

-to raztad 2.5: "Hey dude, judging for your comments about KZ2 is pretty much obvious you havent played the game."
I finished the game not once, and spent a couple of weeks in the multiplayer, but still agree with Shaman. Do not want to go into technical details, but for example, baked light in KZ2 is clearly losing the dynamic Occlusion filter in GeOW2 ... many other things I say nothing.
But judging for your comments, you understand little about the technical aspects of 3D graphics ...

[raztad]

Thanks for your wisdom megacheck. I'm so sorry to disappoint you but I'm just a gamer, not a game developer nor 3D artist/modeller. I'm guessing however your script comes from this article

http://ps3thevolution.com/2...

What I find funny bro is that KZ2 blows GeOW2 out of the water, dont you think? not to mention game is already a year old and KZ3 is around the corner.

BTW, regarding AW, why not to wait the game to be released before comparing it? Released games vs hype and speculations is not fair at all.

[megacheak]

raztad, I'm sorry if I offended you by my last statement. Did not want, but you just argued that S did not play in KZ2. In your opinion, if someone criticizes the game - it means he did not play into it?
And what I wrote is my personal findings, to undertake some analysis I did not need to read some articles on the Internet. I did not say that KZ2 bad game, it is generally better, but they both have strengths and weaknesses ...

[beans]

It doesn't blow Gears 2 out the water. As credible as you sound at times I really am starting to wonder if your just talking out of poop shooter. I prefer the look KZ2 over Geow2 but will admit Gears have some amazing lighting and clay looking characters which was cool.

[raztad]

@Beans

Come on bro, you really believe GeoW2 is in the same league? I have the game on my PC (the original, the textures are really good and lightning is cool) but KZ2 looks much better. Unless the second is a massive leap over the first I stand my position.

Just a question which one is better looking Batman:AA or Gears2?

@megacheack

It's all cool man. I see your point, I admit for example that not every light in KZ2 cast a shadow, or the textures are not that good when you are behind cover, but the game got huge maps with a lot of buildings, wreckages etc etc it got recognition for something.

[beans]

I wouldn't say the same league but in certain areas I would say it does look rather impressive over part 1.

"Just a question which one is better looking Batman:AA or Gears2?"

I haven't played the full game of Batman:AA yet so I couldn't answer that. The demo was pretty cool but GEOW2 just had a lot of wow moments for me. The Batman demo didn't really wow me (it was only the demo)like GEOW2 but I've heard it's a pretty amazing looking game. Speaking of that I might have to go and pick it up this weekend.

[belal]

waiting for this, gow3( relax fanboys this is my most anticipated game :P) and Agent.

why more ps3 games than 360 games? because i am more of an ps3 guy, but that dosen't mean that 360 dosen't have bad games!

both platforms has some really great games coming out.

360: crackdown 2, alan wake, splinter cell and halo reach!

ps3: GOW3,GT5,Agent,Last guardian, FFvs13,Modnation Racers, yakuza 3, maybe the agency, maybe Dc univers online!

if this hits the ps3 this year my list grows much bigger then!: Infamous 2 ( hel yeah!!!), resistance 3 ( hell yeah!), twisted metal and offffffcouuuuurse killzone 3 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

psp: mgs: peace walker!
Multiplatforms: Dead space 2, crysis 2, red dead redemption, true crime 3 ( maybe), Metal gear: rising, star wars: force unleashed 2 and LA Noir!

if i get all these games : i am one HAPPPPYYYY GAMER!!!!

still not even opened: dragon age: orgins, darksider, borderlines, bayonetta, fairytale fights and the sabotour! ( so actuaLLY I AM ALLREADY ONE HAPPY GAMER!

[feelintheflow]

I am the same, I love both of the consoles. I play the 360 a bit more, a touch of a gamerscore geek, and most of my friends are on the 360. I buy all the exclusives pretty much for both machines. It is an awesome time to be a gamer. So many haters on both sides of this console war. This gen is so much better than last gen. So many exclusives.

I have only been on N4G for about a month. I found it funny at first the amount of fanboys bickering back and forth. Now I find it a bit sad. Unless you are a young kid, I don't see why you wouldn't own both consoles and just be happy with everything. I know, some people say they don't have them money. Well get off of N4G and pick up a part time job and earn some extra cash and buy the freaking other console. Of course, I believe most of the fanboys on both sides are young people. Being a 38 year old gamer, first console was the magnavox odyssey, it does take me back a bit to my coleco vs intelevision vs atari and my snes vs genesis days. I never remember so much hate though, we would talk a bit of smack, but we wouldn't act like we were far superior than the other guy mentally because we chose one console over the other. I think thats what turns me off so much on this site is the elitism I see on one side or the other. Like if you love your 360 and don't like the ps3 you must be retarded or feebleminded, and vice versa if you like the ps3 over the 360.

Just my 2 cents.

[XDF]

I am the complete opposite. I owned over 70 X360 games and around 14 PS3 games.

I have all the big Microsoft exclusives and all the Big Sony exclusives. I get 95% of my Third party games on X360 because of Live, Friends, most of the time better ports, and achievements. I got a few 3rd party port like Batman: AA and Dante's inFerno PS3 because they have more content in them.

I think the console exclusive X360 lineup for in 2010 is better than the PS3 and fits my gaming taste. That is why I have or will get ME2, Splinter Cell, Metro 2033, Alan Wake, Crackdown, Fable 3, and Reach. The only Sony exclusive that I have on my shopping list so far is GOW3. But of course if KZ3 or Agent is announced for this year, then I will get those as well.

[The Wood]

cause we'll all be broke....lol

but yeah....having all consoles is the cake and eat it scenario BUT some dont have OR want that choice. 2 of the 3 seems to be the norm whilst 2 of them are very similar so having one of the HD consoles isnt such a bad thing ......I've just about got enough time to play the games on the 2 consoles i own.

[MrBuffalo]

Totally agree... I can't believe that there are four people who disagree. Wheres the logic?

[ape007]

agreed 100%

we need more great guys like you in n4g

bubbles to all :)

[Gimped Hardware]

Story - check
Graphics - check
Awesome Sound - check
GOTY contender - confirmed

[MiloGarret]

If you're going to troll, at least get your facts straight dummy. Otherwise you just end up looking like a... well, dummy.

[Corrwin]

You must have pretty low standards if you think Story, Graphics and Sound make for a GOTY contender.

Gameplay not that important to you?

[nevimkdojsem2]

have a time machine - check?

[vhero]

GOTY contender alan wake?? OMG seriously?? You are off your rocker mate it's looking good I will not disagree but its not looking anything in the region of GOTY. Especially with the strong competition this year in the form of GT5, GOWIII, Halo Reach to name a few. It really doesn't even deserve to be in the same breath as those titles right now from all we have seen of the game... Lets wait nearer to launch for real reviews shall we? As for all this hate I think it really spans from the fact 360 fanboys are thinking the graphics are gonna match ps3s elite I think you gotta just let them have there moment and wait for the reviewers to shut them up and then you can laugh at them.

[ManiacMansion]

This game is the best looking console game this gen. The DAY scenes/ gameplay look simply unbelievable.

I am proud that MS will take drakes crown.

[nix]

somebody help him cross the road. he's blind.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

lol. 6 years development and the only thing that looks good in this game is the water. everything else looks like a UE3 rendered game.

[Hellsvacancy]

http://img718.yfrog.com/i/w... yep, "best graphics ever" rofl

[-MD-]

Are we pulling pre-alpha screenshots now? Desperate much?

[ProjectVulcan]

When i see it in my hands, i will believe it.

[TheXgamerLive]

Mass effect 2 did as well, hella better amd more realistic.

[Christopher]

Ah, the Internet. Home to the ignorant masses who read a single Wikipedia page on graphics and think they can argue the technical aspects of games.

How about you guys just keep to opinion and leave the technical babble to those who actually know what the heck they're talking about?

[Upbeat]

erm, have u played killzone 2 ? mgs4 ? dont get me wrong it looks class and im sure will be a great game, but best looking game this gen mate, no no no

[TD_RJ]

http://www.canpages.ca/blog...

YES MY PUPPETS !
KEEP ON FIGHTING WHILE I ENJOY WATCHING !

[CernaML]

Every gameplay footage I've seen of this game has really bad screen tearing. If that's not fixed then there is nothing to brag about.

[starchild]

Uncharted Drake's Fortune also has screen tearing and it is still an amazing looking game. Even if Alan Wake has some screen tearing it will still be one of the best looking games around.

[CernaML]

And Uncharted 2 fixed that problem while still keeping an amazing framerate and better graphics... Your point?

ManiacMansion thinks Alan Wake will raise the benchmark and "take the crown away from Drake." lol Not happening with all that screen tearing.

[Gigalol]

Graphics are stunning, superb, inmense. From lights effects to facial effects. Some guy tell that its the most powerfull game of this generation. No doubts.

While my full preview will have to way for afew hours, I can already say that technically this game is maybe at the top of what I ever saw running on consoles this generation. It's definitely up there with Killzone 2 and Assassin's Creed. I was in awe most of the time, it's just crazy how much stuff they managed to get into their engine while still having it run already almost perfectly smoothly (still some slight tearing from time to time, but the final build should be better).
I've always been a big fan of Remedy (ever since Future Crew) and how they could push hardware like no others, but I wasn't expecting this game to be that impressive in terms of lighting, draw distance and effects.

[ManiacMansion]

@ dutch

GOW3 runs at 60 FPS and locks on 30 FPS if enemies appear. SO your info about consistens 60 FPS is totaly wrong.

The devs told some years ago that GOW would run in FULL HD + 60 FPS but now the game will run with 720p and 30-60 FPS.

God of War 3 looks good, but cant compare with uncharted.

And as for NOW, Alan Wake is the best looking game this gen.
Go and watch the 5 minutes gameplay... you will also see some absolutely amazing DAY gameplay. It looks damn real!

[Rainstorm81]

Alan wake undoubtedly looks good... but best graphics this gen is a bit of a stretch...especially when you judge off the limited day gameplay shown in that 5 min gameplay footage.

Uncharted 2 is the graphical powerhouse it is because the graphics are top notch but the animations and physics are of very high quality as well..... very rarely does games give you that full package..

For example RE5 look terrific but the animations are nothing to brag about. We will have to wait til AW is released before we tag it as " Best graphics this gen" as of right now i can think of more than a few competitors for that crown.

Personally i think the 3 games that will fight for the graphics crown this year are GT5, GOW3, Last guardian

[Darkeyes]

Alan Wake was shown off at E3 and still UC2 swept most if not all the 'Best Graphics' awards... GOW3 has taken a huge leap from the E3 demo so if the reports are true, it's already looking better than UC2 in scale and is at 60FPS.... In short GOW3=UC2>AW at least in the graphics department.

[maxcer]

"The devs told some years ago that GOW would run in FULL HD + 60 FPS"

this statement is true, kind of. GoWCollection runs at 60fps/1080p (looking at the back of the box...oops) nevermind it says 720p. and that's a ps2 remake

i'm really liking the game so far, i missed out on GoW1+2 for Ps2. I would recommend picking this game up if you haven't played it already, its only $30 or $40

[vhero]

Exactly darkeyes Uncharted beat it on graphics long ago lets move on and stop being a fanboy eh ManiacMansion?

[tamd]

that cake is a lie , i wont say anything about this game until i played myself

[ManiacMansion]

I really cant understand ppl who claim that Gow3 does looks better than Alan Wake.. hell, they even think that GOW3 looks better than uncharted2, lol.

[megacheak]

agree with you. I think Gow3 disappoint many in terms of graphics, except hard-core fans. Which (fans), if even gave them the game to the level of graphics as in Gow2, will scream that it is better than UC2.
Analyze the videos and screenshots, there are blurry textures, low-poly models, sprites of objects and vegetation in the far ...

[nevimkdojsem2]

understand people who claim Alan Wake has great graphics... The game has a draw distance of 3 meters, is slow paced and there are never more than 2 enemies on screen. :-D

[strickers]

It's called knowledge and understanding the difference between good tech and art design.Alan Wake looks great but the Killzone,UC2,GT5and GOW3 do more technically.People calling Killzone a corridor shooter are ignorant,and no Gears is not the same.
Both systems look good this year but like last year the PS3 will be king of the tech and 360 will probably still move more software units,but by decreasing amounts throughout the year.
I'll get games for both systems this year(only L4D2 last year for 360)but more on PS3(trophies,friends).
I can only assume when people say GOW3 doesn't look that good,that they don't know what they are looking at.It does some stuff not seen before eg the scale of Gaia in real time.

[megacheak]

"It's called knowledge and understanding the difference between good tech and art design" - I think just as you, but do not agree with your examples.
UC2 - very good tech;
Killzone - good art design;
GT5 - good art design;
GOW3 - too early to judge, but it seems - a good artistic style;
Alan Wake - too early to judge, but clearly a great technical achievement.

[starchild]

Trust me, God of War 3 is going to be very impressive. However, like the first two God of War games, much of what will impress people is the artistic presentation and scale.

From a technical perspective I haven't seen anything about GOW3 that is all that exceptional. The textures are good in spots, but many of the textures are also fairly low resolution. The lighting is definitely good for a hack 'n slash game, but again, it isn't that exception overall. Scale isn't really something taxing from a hardware perspective. Whether you are rendering a close up of Nathan Drake or a giant Titan it really isn't that different in terms of what is being rendered on screen.

Anyway, I can't wait until I actually get to play all of these games, but so far Alan Wake is looking to have some of the best graphics I have seen in a game and the whole premise of the game is exciting to me.

[megacheak]

Above I wrote "GOW3 - too early to judge, but it seems - a good artistic style;", and after watching the new gameplay video GOW3, still will not renounce my words. The game began to look better, mostly due to object motion blur (which was not in the E3 version). But all the major scenes are virtually cut-cenes, with a limited set of actions - Quick Time Events (QTE). I still think that in terms of lighting, textures, polygon count, effects GOW3 no better than UC2. The game looks great (even take your breath away), mostly due to the excellent direction of certain scenes and excellent design.

[belal]

never going to happen, uncharted looks better, BUT Alan wake looks good too. the only contender i see this year taking the crown is gow3 and gt5. crysis looks awesome too and will be nominated for best graphics mark my words!

as for goty, my prediction for nominated games this year: gow3, mass effect 2 ( lol meta 9.6, do i have to say more?), bayonetta,crysis 2, halo reach and heavy rain ( 88 meta is AAA).

[ps3hasonlyflopgames]

poor ps3 fans jealous in alan wake...

sad this :(

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

poor bots only have ONE game to show off its graphics. It's sad that it takes the 360 6 years to make a good looking game. And even then, Alan Wake still doesn't compare to the graphical powerhouse known as Uncharted 2.

[LuHawk27]

poor fool above has no games to play so he is always trolling in 360 articles what a loser

[starchild]

Gears of War 2, Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake, Halo Reach, Metro 2033 are all extremely nice looking games. The graphical difference between the two consoles is negligible. There are nice looking games on both consoles. It is only PS3 fanatics that deny that obvious truth.

[arny]

This guy thinks that only PS3 games are good he is blind

[DigitalAnalog]

Great, excellent solid game!

-End statement

[ManiacMansion]

Watch this.. THX

http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...

http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...

and now tell me again than uncharted2 looks better, lol

Blind poor fandroids.

[kenpachi]

Uncharted 2 looks a million times better Alan Wait looks like Silent Hill 2.5

[UnwanteDreamz]

Watched both Alan Wake looks good but not as good as U2. Sorry man but you must not have played U2.

[starchild]

I own and have beaten Uncharted 2 and Alan Wake looks at least as good as Uncharted 2, if not better. How blind can some of you be?

[ManiacMansion]

Watch this in HD

http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...
http://www.eurogamer.net/vi...

This graphics are simply incredible! No game can reach this level of detail.

[phosphor112]

Waaaay too much like Max Payne first level "Is anybody home?" With the exact same (but more wooded) stairs. lol. Still want to play this game though...

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Sure the water is great but everything else is flat. look at the ground, the rails, and pretty much everything besides the water. nothing what you call detail.

[Ju]

It looks incredible, no doubt about it. It is an achievement in its own way.

But at the same time, this game uses a very small focal point, every thing else is either in the distance or blurry. This trick makes it look very realistic, though.

[strickers]

It looks very good but not Uncharted 2 good.Seriously,they are trailers designed to make the game look good and clearly those interior textures and animation are not UC2 standard.I would say the lighting is good but looks a bit Unreal engine ie a torch shined on surfaces and not as subtle as some UC2.Killzone.The other thing about this and Reach for that matter,is that 360 games do not seem to do long draw without a mist or fuzziness.Even 360 Cryengine had that issue when compared to PS3 stuff.Honestly,check the vids here for mist,assume it's atmosphere,then check Edge Reach shots or Cryengine demo and see the same.
All that aside,I think AW looks really good and could be brilliant.It's on my list this year.
It's probably best visuals on 360 but some people need to forget about PS3 graphics envy and just enjoy some quality games this year.Last year was poor for 360,this year looks about 300% better.

[starchild]

PS3 fanboys are so funny. They can watch a video and completely deny what their own eyes have seen.

In that video there is a huge draw distance across the bay to distant houses and mountains. The amount of landscape, trees and buildings being rendered is extremely impressive. Yet here we have PS3 fanboys blatantly lying, claiming there is short draw distance and fog everywhere when in fact the draw distance is huge and there is virtually no fog. It's incredible the way some people will lie to themselves.

[Ju]

These houses in the distance can be simple cubes. Even the windows look like low res flat textures when the scene zooms towards it. The water looks incredible, everything else, if you really pay attention is nothing to write home about.

What they do, though, is package this whole scene fantastically and it really looks good as such. Also, the engine seams to nicely scale objects from the distance all the way to a closeup while in motion.

BTW: UC2 does the same (e.g. skybox and cubes in the distance), but incl. the wind and level of details/debris on the rooftop scene in the Himalaya (or wherever that is). Compare this to that movie. In those movies above the only thing moving is that train on the bridge, and that's about it. The Ferry doesn't have a lot of detail either (some cars, that's about it).

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[ManiacMansion]

belal...

please.. stop mentioning God of War 3 for graphics. It cant even compare with MGS4.

[ArcFatalix]

you finished GOW3? IGN editors said its mind blowing.

[TheXgamerLive]

it's looking ok, but nothing like what was promissed, but that's sony for ya, 4D anyone?

[hesido]

I love my Ps3, but I have to admit Alan Wake's graphics are beautiful. There's no two ways about that, unless you are wearing fanboy goggles. No, I don't have an xbox, and I'm not a supporter of MS.

[Fishy Fingers]

Certainly a top contender for best 360 graphics, no doubt about it, a gorgeous looking game. Now kick the PC version back into life and lets see what's really possible with your tech. Please.... :(

[NotSoSilentBob]

So long as the PC version doesn't have Steam or Assassins Creed II style DRM I would buy it.

[Hands Up For Games]

The build that everyone has played is the 18th, by the time the Game ships it will about the 20th that the Game has went through, meaning we should see further improvements.

Also, it is true that there is fog and mist during night time scenes but what about the daytime ones? They look pretty f*cking outstanding to me.

Cant 'Gamers' just give the developers props for producing a Game like this rather than taking cheap shots and basically making things up.

Ahh, the Youth of today.

[belal]

uncharted looks better than alan wake end of story. alan wake dosen't even compete against killzone 2. fanboys in denial. a fair comparison would be against mgs4. GOW3 looks miles better than both alan and mgs4 end of story.

[ipe]

u re so trying defend alan wack graphics.

but when u check forums like neogaf,beyond3d(where people know what ey re talking about)ey all agree on one thing

if u want great graphics on consoles,u ll get it only on ps3.

And of course when u never experienced uc2,kz2,hr,these graphics are amazing for u and something to brag about..

and its funny how u re trying to ignore gow3,even it ll blow every1 away,how awesome and epic that game ll be(95 on meta,5 million copies sold)

it hurts i know.ahhhh when i remember my first 360 didnt have even hdmi port,greentard:"we dont need it".

....right

[Beefinn]

I think this will be the xbox360 game of the year.

[Nicaragua]

This looks like it could be one of my favourite games this year, could possibly be the one that makes me get a 360.

To all the PS3 crowd then be honest, this looks like a quality title and if it was on the PS3 then you'd be snapping it up.

[Ju]

Yes it does. I agree.

[Mr Logic]

I have never seen a 360 game that I couldn't pass up, but this game is different. I really like thrillers so this seems right up my alley. I'm disappointed they scrapped the PC version because I would have played that for sure. I may just have to borrow a 360 from a friend.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi_]

Alan Wake: 10 FPS, 0xAA, 576p ;-D

[Convas]

How's the PS3 gaming coming along. You having fun with Uncharted 2, Killzone 2, and the God of War III demo? Cool. Can I haz you PSN ID then? Oh wait ... :D

[trancefreak]

Clizz WTF you talking about. Of course we play those games. Those are award winning exclusives only found on Playstation.

[Nitrowolf2]

So the game runs at 30FPS but the menu and manuscript run at 60FPS, what does that even mean? Is it like the start menu?
So after all the bots saying Dissing GOW3 for running at 30FPS, Alan wake is Running at that now? Thats karma

I find that to be really funny, but but but 720P and 30FPS is a fail according to bots, becaus ethat is what GOW3 runs at i beleive

[Bluemaster77]

I dont think rememdy ever boasted about Alan Wake being 60fps when released .. fail

[Nitrowolf2]

Not really a fail, This isn't targeted toward remedy just the bots saying that that is a fail, i don't think the devs of GOW3 ever said it would run at 60FPS either, but when it was revealed to run at 30FPS 720 (i think thats it) bots went crazy and attacked

@ Below:
Really? Can i see a link?(i'm not attacking you there if it sounds like it, i just want to fix my mistake if i am wrong)
Either way, still bots calling a game a fail because it runs at 30FPS is still wrong, now one th ebiggest game is running at that. (They did the sam wen isomiac said they would do 30FPS for now)

Did some digging, back in march of 09 the devs said that the game would occasionally run at 60FPS and would drop to 30 for the other times. So it doesn't drop below 30FPS but it can run better sometimes, but i guess they must have locked it down to 30FPS, this is probly because its more better then having an unstable 60FPS

[Bluemaster77]

No the God of War Devs touted not only 60 fps but 1080 p as well i dont what what in the hell possessed them to do that but they did

[Convas]

And I Can get you the quotes if you need more convincing. Sony Sant MOnica did make some pretty outrageous statements about the specs that GOW3 would be running. FACT.

[Nitrowolf2]

And like i said i am not targeting the devs, just some of the people who said its a fail if a game runs at 30FPS, by no means its a fail, reason devs don't do the 60FPS is probaly because they can't get it to stabilize and stay at that with out it dropping back at 30 at some point of the game, there difference is noticable between 60FPS dropping down to 30FPS

[Convas]

As rabid Xbots did charge GOW3 with being inferior because of 30 FPS and by their own words, this game should not even be on their buy-list. But of course they're hypocrites as are their compatriots on the Sony side. But I wasn't one of those rabid xbots. And 30FPS for gameplay is perfectly accceptable to me. But I can't speak for anyone else.

[ArcFatalix]

has a variable framerate its not locked at 30fps, its 60-30fps.

[Veneno]

I thought PS3 was going to completely curb stomp the 360 in terms of game quality for 2010,but looking at the AW videos, I can see that MS is FINALLY getting the point that they need to come out with games that don't rely on commandos, space marines, bromance (its OK to have games with heterosexuality MS), or pure shooting mechanics. but AW has been development for 6 years so maybe they knew this all along. Your game catalog has to reach Everybody if your going to get PS2 level love that MS so deperately wants.

I can tell already that AW will be a big success, mostly because of media 360 bias, but also because of the sheer quality. I really really really really wish my 360 was still working because I would buy this day one. I know you're thinking: boo whoo, whiny d-bag just suck it up and get a new 360, but you can all suck it, i've spent thousands onmy 360 just to gett RROD after 2 measly years. and i ain't gonna bend over for MS like some you masochists. Deny all you want, but RROD is real, and no one other than a fanboy would put up with that.

[Dance]

Both systems are capable of producing some pretty looking games

[Akagi]

Unless you've experienced Uncharted 2/Killzone 2 on HD in your own livingroom, you wouldn't even think about saying Alan Wake is on par or indeed superior.

[The real killer]

Night gameplay + fog = this result 4xAA 720 30 FPS come on we all know this, they are focused on the visual to compete the competition with extreme limit depth of field and intense of gameplay.

Before i get the disagree, this game has no depth of field (FOG and night gameplay) or intense gameplay, get some proof poor silly fanboys.

[hoops]

You do know Real killer you have been harping this same post since they first shown AW. Funny as you no squat about 3d rendering to make a assumption like this. Whats funny is you are making this stuff up and NEVER played the game. And how do you know the game does not have intense gameplay when you never played it?
You hate everything associated with the Xbox360. If this game were on the PS3 you would be jerking off to it. You're a pathetic fanboy.
Please learn software and hardware before you speak. FYI. KZ2 used quite a lot of tricks also for its liighting effects. Less FP HDR for example. N0A32 for example. KZ2 also has a limited color pallete to make textures easier to render. The game also uses motion blurr up the wazoo also to hide areas like most console games this generation. KZ2 game does not support TRUE HDR+AA and most likely uses a lesser form of it like Heavenly Sword to achieve this. This also applies to UC2. The Xbox360 also cheats in areas for rendering HDR and other lighting effects and drops floating point precision. The PS3 is no different with its games.

Edit:

So you know Alan Wake has no intense scenes because...you plkayed the game right? Oh sorry missed that fanboy rant of yours. Sorry pal, i am no fanboy of any system Read all my posts. If anything paint me as a PC fanboy.
As for KZ2 not doing tricks? LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOL
Does KZ2 use HDR+AA? Why does KZ2 use a basic colr system?
KZ2 is also very dark in enviroment. Please tell us this is not true.
Enemies in KZ2 are all the same so the modeling rendering is not as intense. Textures in KZ2 on buildings and other objects were flat, like in Gears 2 and other console games. 512 of memory will do that.

[The real killer]

First of all, Killzone 2 don't use tricks.
Second, i know that Alan Wake has no full intense gameplay otherwise the game will running on 2xAA at 30 FPS without the fog limit the sight of dept of field, thats so funny people like you ignore that.

And now i hate this game because it is 360 game right?
Really, you and your fellow 360 fanboys blabbing about how this game and Halo Reach will blow Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2 away by the graphics.

I tell only about why Alan Wake will good looking is holding back the visual in background with fog and limit the intense the gameplay, that's is why the game will run at 4xAA 720 at 30 FPS.

You ignore the facts little kid.
Next time, read better.

[Arnon]

The Real Killer is a complete idiot. The kid makes up scenarios where, if they were real, would actually make sense. However, Alan Wake not only has daytime gameplay which was PROVEN, but it's nighttime gameplay barely has ANY fog whatsoever.

Also, yes. Killzone 2 used a lot of techniques to cover up things such as baked shadows and low resolution textures on surfaces and character models. Every game uses "tricks". You're completely ignorant to think otherwise.

Not to mention you can hardly understand him anyway. The kid sounds like Barragan.

[horndog]

and while UC2 looked better than KZ2 i think the graphics were a bit overhyped on both games and judging by the looks of those Alan Wake videos I would say that Alan Wake looks just as good or better than UC2 in some areas. That's only from clips but we will know for sure when it comes out.

[mxrider2]

Are you a ratard(hangover)... seriously to compare alan wake to those to games you have to be a ratard i mean its so much better than kz2 and uc2... ya in your bra (LIARLIAR) alan wake doesnt even compare to kz2 and uc2

[The real killer]

360 fanboys are comparing this game much of FOG and NIGHT gameplay with Uncharted 2, come on this is not to compare even Killzone 2 blow Alan Wake in high heaven because it's heavy intense gameplay and depth of field and still the great graphics an ligthing.

[Dance]

Alan Wake is one the most technically advanced console game to date

[The real killer]

"Alan Wake is the most technically advanced console game to date"

Explain why it is? you people only brag about that and no proof.

It's a copy like Alone in the dark with better lighting but not technically advanced like Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2 what the most 360 fanboys claim.

So explain why according to you it is "technically advanced console game to date" ?

EDIT:

I get 2 disagree without any axplain about why, this proof that 360 fanboys cannot proof anyting.

[Turin]

'Alan Wake is one the most technically advanced console game to date'

I would like to believe most open minded gamers would like to see a review or demo at the very least before the make such a lofty claim.

[hoops]

You get disagrees because you DID not explain why. You actually made things up that are not even technical facts. Thats why you are a laughing stock of this site.
And you do hate all Xbox360 games. We can actually pull up all your posts from Xbox360 articles and in every single one of them you are hating on its games...games you never played....
Want to test that theory out? You are just as sad as the Xbox360 fanboys on this site that hate on PS3 games they never tried.

"Night gameplay + fog = this result 4xAA 720 30 FPS come on we all know this, they are focused on the visual to compete the competition with extreme limit depth of field and intense of gameplay.

Before i get the disagree, this game has no depth of field (FOG and night gameplay) or intense gameplay, get some proof poor silly fanboys."

Reall Killer, that's your TECHNICAL REVIEW AND ADRESS inregards to so called no depth of field? LOL
Please stop. You're making an A** of yourself showong your lack of knownledge in this area ESPECIALLY when you never played the game.
Would you be saying this if this were on the consoole of your reach around choice? LOL
Since you hate on the Xbox360 so much, can you name ONE game....just ONE game on the PS3 that uses 4xAA+HDR at 720P? Good luck. Honestly GOOD LUCK with that.
What this shows is BOTH consoles are gimped in areas. Both consoles have strengths and weaknesses in areas. And you like many others on this site might be eating huge amounts of crow when this game is released and when Crysis 2 comes out. But then again you will review those games fully without even playing them. THAT'S the REAL KILLER WAY! LOL

"EDIT:

I get 2 disagree without any axplain about why, this proof that 360 fanboys cannot proof anyting"

Funny Real Killer...you proved nothing at all in your rant but ignorance and lack of software 3D rendering knowledge. You get disagrees because you are as usefull in this area of expertise as a poopy diaper...

REAL KILLER: "The same 360 fanboys clik the disagree, what a shame i don't like fanboys."

So with that comment you made, you hate yourself then?

[Dance]

How could Alan Wake win any awards if wasn't even playable at the time nor released? and God of War III will run on 720p natively with variable frame rate http://www.examiner.com/exa...

[The real killer]

Dude, are comparing with GOW 3?

GOW 3 is just 720p with 60 FPS and in heavy fight drop to 35 FPS.
GOW 3 is has also more depth of field and far More intense than Alan Wake.

Furter more is the game engine the first, so this mean that the game is holding back by the game engine not the hardware.

The same 360 fanboys clik the disagree, what a shame i don't like fanboys.

[hoops]

You are comparing GOW3 to AW? LOL
Two different games entirely. LOL
Real killer give us your opinion WHEN you play AW.Until then you are the same as Bungie, Saaking, Morgen and the reast. Sad fanboys hating on the system you do not own or like.
Play the game first then talk.

[xAlmostPro]

and to be honest these stats are not that impressive for a game thats been in development for 6 years, andthe animations are STILL stiff in everything thast released.. and as for the 30fps to stop screen tearing im sure alot of us noticwed and even mentioned the obvious screen tearing in the gameplay video(where he gets hit with the water tower thing)..

dont get me wrong i'll probably still get it, although i did/do expect more, considering the hype its recieving anyway..

and x4 aa isnt that much to be honest, even more so when its only for bushes and trees lol.. once crysis has released on console it will become nothing anyway.. because theyre working on the ps3's AA which can reach upto x16 <thats when things get insane :D..

but still it looks like a fun game :)

[Dance]

99% due to video sync issues (Eg, PAL video cams or 59.97 Hz vs.. 60.00 Hz screen update). http://translate.googleuser... http://forum.alanwake.com/s...

[Primetimebt]

I'm not trying to be a fan boy but after watching the trailer and hearing people saying this game is one best looking game so far of this generation of video consoles is just plain stupid. The game looks great and I'm sure it will have some great gameplay but after only 30 secs it pretty plain as day the textures of the game don't compare to even some games, and the lightning is no where near some of the games that are out or coming out. Anyways just enjoy the game.

[jalen247]

Alan Wake graphics have come a long way. It is shaping up to becoming a visual showcase on the 360. It looks better than Gears 2 to me.

I like the graphics in Alan Wake like everyone else.

However, comparing a 360 exclusive to PS3 exclusives is a bad idea.

The PS3 has more advantages and more power under the hood. Bottom line, whatever the 360 can do, the PS3 can do better in most categories.

360 and PS3 each has their advantages and strengths with PS3 having more advantages. Therefore an overall product like a game will look better overall on PS3 if programmed correctly.

There is a lot that goes into immersing a player into a game...physics, animations, effects, lighting, polygons, shaders, etc.

[starchild]

Too bad most developers don't agree with you. John Carmack and other developers have made it clear that the only advantage the PS3 has over the 360 is storage space on the Blu-ray discs.

Alan Wake, Halo Reach and Metro 2033 are all showing how powerful the 360 is when programmed for correctly.

[jalen247]

*Reads your comment...then looks at new GOW III game play footage...*

*Laughs hysterically*

if you think that: "the only advantage the PS3 has over the 360 is storage space on the Blu-ray discs"

You are very uninformed.

Yes, "Alan Wake, Halo Reach and Metro 2033 are all showing how powerful the 360"

However, the PS3 is more powerful that's why its games look better. There is no denying it. The proof is in the pudding. PS3 exclusives speak for themselves. I don't even need to list them.

[divideby0]

0nce again...a good 360 game has to be compared with the AAA games of the PS3...why dont the single 360 console owners, just enjoy the good couple of games on the 360...without comparing to the PS3 games....you come across as not only jealous, but envious beyond means...
AW is a must buy game for me and comparing it to UC2 or GOW is just plain stupid...compare it to Doom if you like

[XDF]

As far as I can tell, it is the Sony loyalists that are comparing it to KZ2 and Uncharted 2.

Talking about insecurity.

[divideby0]

why would a Sony fan compare AW to a PS3 game...dont make sense to me...I dont know who is who, I just read some of these stupid comments

[Shaman]

Ok this is my last bubble so im gonna use it wisely :)

With my comments of GOW III and KZ2 "cheating" i meant like this.
With Gow III in mind,experienced tech heads will most likely immediately notice camera "cheating".This is not even funny how some hardheaded fanboys dont see this(perhaps they just dont realize).Camera in GOW III is FIXED,what does it mean?It means that you wont be able to stop with Kratos,and look around enjoying the view,actually you will only see frame that Santa Monica wanted you to see.That way they dont have to render everything around you but only what camera on rails shows you.Even with that said GOW III looks amazing,but in my opinion still not better then UC2.Yes,it has somewhat more epic things on the screen,that is basically because of great art style,amazing looking levels,great animations and fast paced epic battles,but when it comes to technicals,i wouldnt say so.Animations in UC2 are still the best,lightning is still better then in GOW III,texture quality in my opinion is still top notch but what really is better in UC2 is bump mapping and ground textures,character models are about equal.I think people mistake epic and fast great looking hack and slash to technically better UC2,which is not so fast paced but its vistas,textures and overall quality is IMO better then GOW III.

KZ2 is game that is linear shooter,yes its not corridor but its non the less linear.People have orgasm about its lightning which,though looking amazing is still baked deffered rendering,same lightning will Cryenigne 3 use because deffered lightning is still ALOT easier on perfromance then HDR,and 200 light sources,while amazing will be beaten by the same technique.What ive said about textures and simpler geometry and using gray and washed out colors is simple truth.If you use factory building settings similar to KZ2 you will end up with much less polys spent on them then on vegetation in Crysis,there is no two ways about that.They went with much blur and post processing route to cover not really high res textures,and that is their choice,which btw worked out,but it must be said that KZ2 cheats as much as it can to get those gfx,so telling how Alan Wake cheats is hypocritical.One reason why Crysis 2 went from island full of vegetation and huge view distance(in which btw cryengine 2 renders all assets and their shadows and lightning)to city is because of much more simpler geometry which is far easier to render then island setting,consoles would never be able to render Crysis like island on stedy frame rate and great visuals,there is not enough of ram,so city is win for consoles.

So in the end,all games cheat.Every game on console with smarter use of assets,simpler geometry,more linear levels and better artstyle will end up better looking,of course if developer is talented,for proof of what i just said here is quote from Fran who is developer,in Crytek,he said that console version can actually surpass PC version of Crysis with better use of assets,art style and optimized engine,and exploiting fixed hardware strengths.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[i_am_interested]

GOW3's camera is "fixed" and they dont have to render everything around you?

either 1 of 3 things:

1 - youre making assumptions you know nothing about

2 - youre phil wilkins and you actually designed GOWs camera system

3 - youre Christer Ericson's boss and actually know more than he does

so which is it?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[Ju]

All the games cheat. And they have to. You have to use the HW to its max and what counts is the final effect you can generate. But, still, all those games cheat better then AW, IMO. Which again, is a fantastic looking game. If you list all those game up there and how they cheat, why not add AW there, too ?

[Obama]

I will eat my ass IF Alan Wake wins most of the best graphic awards LOL. It won't happen. Actually I doubt any site would give it the best graphic award; except may be one xbot site or 2.

[dezic]

I dont care what tricks the developers use as long as the game looks good on my HDTV.

[Gitaroo]

Warhawk is 720p, 4XMSAA and locked at 30 fps. And sandbox....

[hoops]

And the graphics are limited compared to UC2 or AW or KZ2.....

[ape007]

I see in many ps3 fanboy comments that gfx BE ALL END ALL

wtf

you ps3 fanboys got some serious issues

you claim ps3 gfx make 360 games look like crap, wrong uncharted 2 looks amazing, played ME2 after it still look great, you pretend that it makes xbox games look like wii games

and secondly, WHAT is all this FUSS about, only 2 games on ps3 have best gfx on both consoles, 99% of other look on par or bad ports

you honestly give sony a bad name, you ignore all the fun and glory of ps3 exclusives just for "hahahahah nate's armpit got more textures than marcus fenix butt"

you have some serious issues

and look at the silly comments here

childish\desperate acts that shows your insecurity of your product

hey guys let me tell you, what if alan wake ended up looking better than all ps3 exclusives, some of you will pass out, some suicide, some gonna stop gaming, some gonna convert (LoL) and Im damn sure that hhg gonna hang himself

GROW THE F*** UP!!!!

[jjesso1993]

I pre ordered the limted edtion of of play. but just keep thinking how good this would look on in 1080p 8xaa and about 60fps.

[Midgard228]

theres no denying that ps3 exclusives have the best graphics/ quality, but that doesnt mean that alan wake looks like crap, it lookks really good, especially for xbox, which the only 2 good lookin games on xbox are gears and.....forza that are out currently.

no reason for ps3boys to prove that ps3 has more power because all of their games show it already, and no reason for xboxboys to even dare say that any xbox game looks better than a ps3 exclusive.

all these stat flinging arguements have no need here.

i think fanboys on both sides just like arguing.

and xbox boys as i said 360 games dont look bad at all, just not even the quality of uncharted 1 yet :/

[Dance]

You complain about fanboys on both sides just like arguing, yet you sound like one

[Midgard228]

lol thats like saying im a fanboy because i like light brown hair on my girls more than black hair.

just because i have a prefrence doesnt mean im a fanboy, are u one because u like ur xbox more? prbly not, if i was a fanboy i wouldnt own ps36wii, fanboy means i think anything but 1 suxorz and will just blabber without experiencing first hand.

the reason i say the ps3 is more powerful is cuz its fact, we all know it, and it keeps showing. me not saying the ps3 is more powerful is like saying an alienware computer isnt better than a pc with lower specs.

fact is alan waake looks good, whether they use dark and fog to hide their jaggies or w/e its fine because we dont see it right? game looks smooth and fun and thats what counts. i dont expect to see alans clothes getting wet and multiple face expressions that stuff is just icing......weell face expressions would help lol

[gauravraw]

but IN MY OPINION they should sacrifice some eye candy to turn the vsync on. There's screen tearing.

[AliTheBrit19]

You show me someone who says those screenshots aren't impressive, and I'll show you a liar.

[mxrider2]

wait they might be close to impressive for xfeefixme but not for the ps3 not even close no sir

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

But this game is no slouch either....I still want to see more of it...like a demo then I will judge this game

[ape007]

you guys have some serious insecurity issues, why start comparing

we all know uncharted 2 is amazing, let's just wait for AW to see how's the gameplay

as far as things look, it looks damn amazing

gfx\effects are out of this world

[air1]

everyone in n4g is a fvcking developer now..

why you ppl keep acting like you know all this technical stuff, better yet why does it matter? the setting is just right for mist and fog etc. so who cares if its a trick i would understand if it was all out of place like in a desstert with fog and stuff but its not.

so why cant we just take the game for what it is cause from the looks of it, it looks real good and this is remedy here pp! who cares about kz2 that game was forgetable days after release..

[coldfoot]

Gt5p and the upcoming gt5 have 4x aa when run in 720p mode, and 60 fps to boot! In 1080p they are 2x aa.

[Graphics]

The only game Alan Wake should be compared to is silent hill 3 for the ps2, I think Silent hill 3 on ps2 has way better character models and facial animations.. and they both use that 99% of the game being pitch black trick so nothing has to be rendered to hide all the ugliness.

[air1]

wow! i think its time to see the eye doc. time for some new glasses/contacts.

assuming they can wipe off all that sony jizz.

[xg-ei8ht]

All of you seriously stop talking tosh.

Shaman stop feeding the silly.

Some of KZ2'S lighting is pre-baked, not alot though.

I've already proven this. no need to again.

UC2 so far has the best graphics TPS wise, and quite frankly some of the best use of fx this gen.

I've only seen alan wake vid, and tbh, it does not show you much.

And crysis 2 isn't in the city because of scale, it's in the city because people are bored of the same fking island theme.

Seriously you wanted another crysis in another jungle. been there done that.

They are actually trying to make the game more intense and more explosive then crysis was.

Concerning GOW3 i've seen the vids and played the demo, which some of it i was impressed with.

I love textures, but without decent lighiting/shadow system, games look poor.

If your comparing PC games, they always need more ram, heck i remember BF2, you needed at least 2gb system ram and a decent card back then to run it decently.

And look at it now, textures are crap,bland, lighting is ordinary, and water fx are pityful.

I've got a pc/ps3/360.

If Aw is good, i'll buy it.

As far as trees and similar objects that are used often. Geometry instancing fits the bill.

I'll have to wait till i see more of both games.

But that pic you show of GOW3 is actually more complex then most people realize, you'll see this come release.

But the best wall/mountain textures i've seen did belong to UC2, But if you've played the GOW3 demo, look at the mountain/wall textures inside and out, they are very high quality.

Also the PS3 has 2x the cache 2x the speed of 360 in this dept, and that is the reason PS3 can stream From blu-ray without load screens.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

Wait till you see it on your own fkn TV dummies. Wait you wont be able to tell cause your playing on your moms TV ...The best the xbot 350 can do is heavenly swords graphics .( maybe not )

alan wait LMAOOOOOOOOO.

[The_Nameless_One]

ANd they managed to squeeze it all on one disc? Seems fishy to me. If this game is only on one disc i can't even begin to think just how much stuff they had to cut out and have it as DLC later on. I have feeling the real ending for this game won't be on the disc but will be out in a DLC form.

One more red flag.

[chazjamie]

uncharted in the jungle looks amazing. but i dont know. after seeing that footage of alan wake, i am pretty sure the 360 is the definite consoloe of this gen. sucks, for me, i only have a ps3. and let me tell u, it sucks. demons souls and all that other kak was sympathy purchases. they are so boring(the exclusives) and forgettable. i wish i had a 360

[riksweeney]

"Some menus and manuscript pages will locked to 60 FPS"

Great to hear I'll be getting maximum performance when setting the sound and music volumes.

[spinbot_lv1]

4xAA only on trees and bushes is not the same thing as the 4x Full Screen Anti Aliasing used in other titles. I still prefer 2xAA on all the polygons on screen over 4xAA on few polygons

[iPad]

is 4xAA?!?!? I WANNA KNOW

[nygamer28]

wow most of these comments are off topic,it went from alan wake graphics to KZ2,GoW3 and UC2(march of the PS3 trolls)

on topic:graphics are amazing,tricks or no tricks,if thats whats going to be playing out my 360 i am very pleased

[Figboy]

it's looking like it's going to turn out being the best-looking game on the 360.

and after 3+ years of constantly hearing about Gears of War vs >insert game here<, i'm fricking ECSTATIC. j

so it comes out in May, right? that gives me time to play and beat God of War 3 and FFXIII, and put in some good time with WKC.

of course, 3D Dot Game Heroes hits in May too, right. damn.

i need more money. i'm really pumped about Alan Wake. i really think it's going to be a great game. i loved the first Max Payne (i never got a chance to play the second).

i don't care so much about the visual tricks developers use to ring better visuals out of the system.

by the end of it's life cycle, the PS2 had so many visual tricks i thought it was part magician, but the games looked phenomenal.

it's a breath of fresh air on the 360 to not see a bald space marine protagonist with an arsenal of assault weapons. the concept, visual style, and gameplay mechanics of Alan Wake are what have me interested.

[The real killer]

"So you know Alan Wake has no intense scenes because...you plkayed the game right? Oh sorry missed that fanboy rant of yours. Sorry pal, i am no fanboy of any system Read all my posts. If anything paint me as a PC fanboy.
As for KZ2 not doing tricks? LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOL
Does KZ2 use HDR+AA? Why does KZ2 use a basic colr system?
KZ2 is also very dark in enviroment. Please tell us this is not true.
Enemies in KZ2 are all the same so the modeling rendering is not as intense. Textures in KZ2 on buildings and other objects were flat, like in Gears 2 and other console games. 512 of memory will do that"

Yes, Alan wake is not intensive due the graphics and visual high settings that's why the fog/dark and less intensive gameplay for this game. Without the Fog/dark and the intensive gameplay the visual and the graphics are not possible i already told about it.

HDR+AA is not tricky it's more your opinion what you think. It's difference programming than the 360 boy.
So that, "LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL OLOLOL OLOL" is very childish the way you try to explain in your own opinion.

Further more Killzone 2 is a FPS and Alan Wake is thriller genre, in thriller genres is less intensive gameplay than in FPS genres, but you don't know that because you don't know what you talk about it.

Alan Wake sacrifice with limit the depth of field and intensive gameplay to get FOG/DARK and less intensive gameply to full fill this grafichs and visual.

"You get disagrees because you DID not explain why. You actually made things up that are not even technical facts. Thats why you are a laughing stock of this site.
And you do hate all Xbox360 games. We can actually pull up all your posts from Xbox360 articles and in every single one of them you are hating on its games...games you never played....
Want to test that theory out? You are just as sad as the Xbox360 fanboys on this site that hate on PS3 games they never tried"

Are you serious, those disagree is from 360 fanboys like you.
I'm laugh at you little fanboy.

But i will play this game when it come out :)
It's a nice very good looking game, but people like you exaggerates about comparing with Killzone 2 or Uncharted 2. Wake dude and play this freaking game when it come out.

[greatjimbo78]

To be fair Killer, Lulz! You do come across as an ineligible, unintelligent Borgan.

[air1]

to be fair great, you added nothing to his argument to come across as intelligent your self.

what makes you think that your post is eligible? what, cause you called him a borgan?!

sounds like your just butt hurt

[greatjimbo78]

Cool story bro!

[GamerPS360]

30 FPS good enough for game like Alan Wake. But, I am impressed with 4AA. That's pure winner. Game already looks pretty interesting. This is gonna be one of the best survival(?) game.

[cobpswii3600]

*looks at avatar*
*reads comments*
Oh ok! Your a PC stealth troll! Have fun with that! LOL!

[avengers1978]

Since when is it only graphics that make a game good. That is the only argument people seem to be giving these days. Story, gameplay, graphics, and audio all add up to make the game, Alan Wake is probably the best looking 360 game but it remains to be seen how good it is. The game could be short like 4 hrs long, the story may not be interesting, and or, dull. Alot of people said Heavy Rain was a story that is done to death, but do you know how many movies have used this reclusive author winds up in mystrious situation. Hell King did it twice with Secret Window and The Shining. So it remains to be seen on how good this game is, and how well it will sell. I have yet to come across any of the xbox fans I work with, or know that said that they wanted to buy Alan Wake.

[hoops]

"Yes, Alan wake is not intensive due the graphics and visual high settings that's why the fog/dark and less intensive gameplay for this game. Without the Fog/dark and the intensive gameplay the visual and the graphics are not possible i already told about it."

I asked for a TECHNICAL explanation as to why you come up with that lame excuse. What you give me is TALK AND your opinion. Give me a technical review of use this, not your rants. IE: PIXEL SHADER AND VERTEX rendering. Texture processing...that sort of thing....which brings me to your post:

"HDR+AA is not tricky it's more your opinion what you think. It's difference programming than the 360 boy."

This was a trick question i knew you would fall for. Here is why and WHY you should stop posting ANYTHING on this site related to software rendering and hardware because you know as much as a poop hole in the ground.
The RSX that handles HDR and or AA does not support doing both at the same time. EVER. The Geforce class GPU inside the PS3 does not support HDR+AA at the same time....this is why the developers of games like Heavenly Sword used A TRICK with NOA32 to do this. NOA32 is NOT FP HDR or HDR at all. Its a hack of it. The developers of Heavenly sword SAYS it's real HDR...I WILL LET you google FULL HDR precision and NOA32 and you will know its not.
Now before you say:

"But...but...BUT the Cell handles HDR and AA......"
It can do this...if you want to watch a slide show. This is why in HDR heavy scenes in PS3 games never have AA at the same time OR they do what Heavenly sword does: Use a trick called NOA32 hdr+AA to try and get the same effect.
Now please don't post anymore tech related arguments until you are at least 13 years old and know something. You just proved you know squat.

[coldfoot]

Hoops I said gt5!

Gt5 has 720p 4xaa hdr and 60 fps. (or 1280x1080 at 60 fps)
Uc2 has 720p 2xaa hdr ssao at 30 fps and it's the best looking console game this gen.
So stop spewing lie, cell is plenty fast for many gpu operations.

[HappyTrigger]

Alan Wake also has 720p, 4xAA, HDR, and SSAO!

Eat that! :P

[Major Kanimo]

im just curious iv never heard of those before

[Biggest]

The fairy godmothers that make your game funner.

[QuantumWake]

Alan Wake looks amazing! The new trailer and gameplay video got me really psyched! It's nice to see Remedy showing people what the Xbox 360 is really capable of. This might be the best looking 360 exclusive in a while. Great job Remedy! Happy Gaming! Cheers!! :D

[Biggest]

I'm going to remember this comment.

[Gue1]

the game still looks sh1t. Sorry bots but it is the truth... ;(

This is what happens when you make games exclusively for the PS3: http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[squeeb]

It looks like a good game. I'll have to obtain a copy for my 360. Wish the PC version was still green lit though :(

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Alan Wake is reserved and purchased on day one!!! Haters keep hating!!

[1PC2PS33360]

they say that like it something speacial....consoles have been doing 720p since xbox1..( Ninja Gaiden BLACK.. link here...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

720p is freaking six- seven years old for consoles and ten years old for pc....whats with the celebration???

You do know that a lot of people are gaming at 1080p,1200p , 1600p and more right now ...?right?

It's 2010
not 2004

[starchild]

True, but how many CONSOLE games run at 720p with a steady 30FPS and 4XAA? I'm talking about graphically advanced games with high quality textures and lighting. Most graphically advanced games have lower quality anti-aliasing.

Alan Wake has amazing lighting, high quality textures, wide open levels, lots of great looking post-processing effects, detailed character models and high levels of anti-aliasing. It's just an amazing looking game all around.

[KYU2130]

While i give props for its graphics i must stay skeptical when it comes to the claim of being 720p. I very much doubt that it is true 720p but rather upscaled to 720p. BIG DIFFERENCE there.... (especially since MS put resolution caps on the developers to help fit the game on to the provided media. but i am will be willing to admit i am wrong if someone can prove its a true 720p title.

[starchild]

If Remedy says it is going to be 720p then I guarantee it will be 720p. Tests done when it comes out will show this to be true.

Microsoft never put a resolution cap on developers. What a ridiculous claim. MOST Xbox 360 games are 720p. In fact, many multi-platform games that are full 720p on the 360 are less than 720p on the PS3. So, if anything, the PS3 has a harder time rendering at 720p with graphically advanced games than the 360 does. Nevertheless, the majority of exclusives on both consoles are native 720p.

Here are a few examples of games that are 720p on the 360 and sub-HD on the PS3:

Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Athena -> PS3 = 1024x720 (QAA), 360 = 1280x720 (4xAA)

Beijing 2008 -> PS3 = 1024x768 (no AA), 360 = 1280x720 (2xAA)

Bioshock -> PS3 = 680p (no AA), 360 = 1280x720 (no AA)

Dark Sector -> PS3 = 1152x640 (no AA), 360 = 1280x720 (no AA)

The Darkness -> PS3 = 1024x576 (no AA), 360 = = 1280x720 (4xAA)

Fracture -> PS3 = 1152x648 (no AA), 360 = Fracture = 1280x720 (no AA)

Ghostbusters -> PS3 = 960x540 (QAA), 360 = 1280x720 (2xAA)

Grand Theft Auto IV -> PS3 = 1152x640 (no AA), 360 = 1280x720 (2xAA)

Guitar Hero 5 -> PS3 = 1024x576 (no AA), 360 = 1280x720 (no AA)

Lord of the Rings: Conquest -> PS3 = 640p (no AA), 360 = 1280x720 (no AA)

Midnight Club: Los Angeles -> PS3 = 960x720 (QAA), 360 = 1280x720 (2xAA)

Silent Hill: Homecoming -> PS3 = 1024x576 (no AA), 360 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

It's sad that simply because Halo 3 used an advanced kind of HDR lighting that it had to render at less than 720p. Some of you anti-360 people have jumped on this fact and act like it is indicative of the 360 in general, which is the furthest thing from the truth.

You also seem to ignore that PS3 exclusives like MGS4 (1024x768), Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction (960x704), and Ratchet & Clank: A Crank in Time (960x704) are all sub-720p as well.

[IHateYouFanboys]

lol 'MS put resolution caps on the developers to help fit the game on to the provided media'............ what a load of BS.

care to make up any more ridiculous facts?

Alan Wake is native 720p.

[baodeus]

It looks impressive to me and seem like it is a good game.

@gaffy

KZ2 doesn't have realistic wind either.

Take a look at this video( http://www.youtube.com/watc... Just look at 0:28,1:20,2:08 for example, if the wind is dynamic and real, shouldn't the smoke from explosion be blowing as the same speed as the dust? It doesn't. Look at 3:24 - 4:09, the pieces of cloth blowing in the opposite direction of the wind/dust LOL. It really serve as a visual thing, but have no impact on the game play. The grenade affect by the wind is pre-set (like how CoD4 bullet trajectory bended like here http://www.youtube.com/watc...

The AI isn't great either. Look at 3:24 - 3:41, it seems like the helgast just kept going into the same spot to get shots...i don't know why.

Beside the gun and AI model, the environment texture is pretty bland:
Look at 4:36, 4:53, 5:47 compare to these RE5: 2:31,3:02,5:13 ( http://www.youtube.com/watc... The character model has lots of texture and realistic detail, even more so than UC2. The lighting is much more dynamic in RE5 in comparing to KZ2. Light actually radiate out from every single light sources and it doesn't look like a a blob of painted white circle (4:36 - 5:47) like in KZ2. The only downfall of RE5 is the animation, but everything else is pretty spot on.

The thing is when u play, u may not notice these things. Many developers use trick to make game look impressive and it is quite normal really. There is nothing wrong with it. so developers succeed if they make it look impressive while u play the game

Not saying KZ2 doesn't look good, but it isn't the best graphic the console could offer. I still think RE5 look much better than any other games out there and it is a multiplatform. That is why u guys really ignore it to support your claim. I know what i see and i play KZ2, UC2 and RE5. I just don't have the fanboy's goggles like u guys.

[ATi_Elite]

Hey the screenshot of Alan walking through the logging yard was pretty impressive. Soooo when is Alan Wait coming out? I'm tired of hype and screenshots. Show me real time rendering.

[QuantumWake]

Alan Wake is set to be released in North America on May 18, Europe in May 21, and Japan on May 27. http://forum.alanwake.com/s...

And here is some new gameplay that was released not to long ago:

http://www.gameblog.fr/news...

:)

[LiquifiedArt]

...Mentality is quite frankly, hysterical.

For those that think the Killzone Engine is nothing but some "tricks", then you don't understand rendering engines and how/what gave developers have done since the nes.

Perception is what a graphics programmer needs to think about 100% of the time. If something isn't percieved then it is pointless to do. Every ounce of graphic juice that is on screen should be percieved, if it isn't then whats the point in doing it?

[vilanova]

-Graphics are stunning, superb, inmense. From lights effects to facial effects. Some guy tell that its the most powerfull game of this generation. No doubts.

-Sounds are in the same line of graphics. Simply awesome. Totally inmerse. The soundtrack its just perfect.

-You can listen the radio, watch TV, talk with people,s village.

-The daytime its very very beautiful. But when night arrive, you can feel the scary.

- I read that the special edition its very cheap (5 euros more than normal eddition). ¿True? Its a Remedy answer suppose.

- All lucky guys assist/play Alan Wake event said that its one of the best games of this generation. They leave the presentation very very impressed. And saids that its better that they thought.

-In conclussion, Remedy do it again. I cant wait to play it
- The most important. The durability of Alan Wake. I read a interview today where a invited ask to Oskary Hakkinen about this topic and.....Remedy is surprissed about people thinks that its about 8-10 hours. Remedy cant said nothing concrete, but Oskary confirm its superior. The first episode endure about 1 or 2 hours. And there are too many episodes. I think this is a fantastic notice. "the history is extensive, complete and nothing precipitate", said Oskary.

- The game is replayable? jaja, ok im not sure this make sense. Alan Wake its make to play another time for more information and things that you lose in the first time. There are a fews elements in Bright Falls that you try to find.

- Its not a sandbox, but isnt linear. You can go to the action, or explore Bright Falls. Ok, its contradiction, but Alan Wake its in a point between sandbox and linear game.

-There are climotology conditions like rain, fog or wind.

-In Alan Wake the elements that appear in scene (enemies, situations) not repeat. No exist two plays equals.

- Alan Wake have puzzles. But not like Resident Evil or Silent Hill. The puzzles are insert in to the action, like how surpass a big rock, what element or object you nedd to pass.

- Alan Wake have an impressive animations. Run, bring, walk....and sometimes fall to ground when elude a enemies or similar. All perfectly implement around the scenary.

- Nothing about tearing or low framerate. 30fps unfailing. The game move very smooth.

[psiom]

Antialiased trees and bushes?!

MEGATON

[WLPowell]

Seeing how majority of what's on screen is covered in shadow or fog. I would expect it to boast something else visually. Still doesn't look like the greatest thing ever on consoles, but looks pretty good.

[bjornbear]

and played at anything above 30 FPS

the eye won't notice anything below 25 so...i know 60 feels ultra fluid but 30 doesn't make the game worst at all

it doesn't matter

[GiantEnemyCrab]

720p hellz yeah!

Glad to see they are flexing the graphics this year on the 360.

Of course I'd love 60fps, a game like MW2 looks so fluid and gorgeous at 60fps but 30 is going to be just fine.

Day one!

[PS360PCROCKS]

Those graphics with 4XAA? Wow have many other games have 4XAA? I don't remember many

[awesomeperson]

Wow! I'm impressed 360, ONE of your games can finally do what PS3 games have been doing for a very long time now.

And it ONLY took 6 years

Also, where the bots that cry about online? Remember those: "Eghh Heavy Rain and God oF war 3, gay gamez cuz day donty have online" bots? Yes?

[GenerationWinner]

Look at all the droids still think that unfarted 2 is still the best looking game loooooool. Are you so much all a failure in real life as much as your comments. Must be haha.

1 of the first comments on this story was : Awwww help him cross the road hes blind : good one but what is the point crossing the road for someone to help you when they are the blind ones.

4xAA 30fps with no drop. Only possible with xenos and EDO Ram combination.

Well done Remedy cant wait to play this game

[awesomeperson]

"unfarted 2 is still the best looking game loooooool. Are you so much all a failure in real life as much as your comments"

Are you still much a failiure in real life to call a game Unfarted?

[devilhunterx]

Alan in the Dark: We Haz Fog To Hide Gimped View Distance

[Sgt_Bon3head]

Sounds good to me, I think I'll purchase this one.

[arny]

This is going to be an awesome game

[Xtremist]

No there is no other game with this level of graphics, lighting, and physics to have 4xAA.
Although i wasn't a huge fan of Remedy prior to AW, i have to admit that i m now convinced that they are among the best of the best.

With that said, if you don't like the entire setting of a game, there is no way to enjoy it just because it has top graphics.
So, before you run like a sheep to pre-order the game for its graphics, make sure first that you know enough for the story and the gameplay to convince you that you are gonna truly enjoy it.