Natal launch details leak from secret Microsoft tour

MCV can this week reveal first details regarding the launch of Microsoft's Project Natal. Our sources say the innovative controller-free 360 camera will be released worldwide in November 2010.

[Cold 2000]

MS said they were going to treat it like a new conbsole launch.

So theyre preparing Halo Reach with all the craze and frenzy that goes with every new Halo + Natal especially if this rumor is true and that they're planning 5 million untits for day one alone...

I think their is going to be major mayhem next fall... and even more if thet $50-$60 price is true which would make sense.

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

it's 1 year from now though which kinda make me not interested at the time.

still there's some good stuff in MS bag though.

NamcaBandai
Konami
Rare
Ubisoft
Capcom

all working on games that will be Ready at Launch. November 2010 Christmans ready Release could really mean something Big.

just imagine ;

Natal Bundle Including Halo Reach for 299$.

I hope the NamcoXBandai game is an RPG .

EDIT: @ green

Yep.

[green]

£30 - £50?
14 launch titles?
Halo reach and Fable 3 support?

If all of the above is true, then Natal will be off to a flying start.

edit: "Activision, Bethesda, Capcom, Disney, EA, Konami, MTV, Namco Bandai, Sega, Square Enix, THQ and Ubisoft all committed to make games for the device ". That is a lot of studio support.

[gaffyh]

They need to show the damn games before I buy into the hype, show at least one core game MS. Knowing MS, this will come out in November 2010, just so that they can try and win the holiday season, the same thing they did this year, which meant we had pretty much no games to play until October :(

[IronFistChinMi]

To hear this price point banded about. I was always of the opinion that MS had to be aggressive in the pricing and marketing of Natal, in order make an impact with it. Let's hope it's true!

[callahan09]

I fully agree with gaffyh. I have seen a few things of Natal so far, and none of them look appealing. The Breakout minigame looks like it'd get boring after about 2 minutes. The Burnout game doesn't look nearly as fun as controlling it with a standard controller. It just seems way too hard to effectively control the steering wheel and apply the amount of gas and break that you want. Everybody I've seen try the thing out has done nothing but wreck into walls and completely fail to drive in a way that could ever win a race. Milo is not my kind of thing, just no interest in it. I want to see some more games for it because nothing yet has been interesting to me.

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

Sony fangurls are on a roll with the Stealth Disagrees.

Can't wait till 2010 you lame-os

[Mr_Bun]

If MS actually sell Natal for that cheap, it will be the first time they sell a peripheral at a reasonable price point

[360CommunityAbovePS3]

HALO REACH + NATAL = Unstoppable Combo

MS *OWNED* 2010

[snipermk0]

Now, lets not get ahead of ourselves shall we? The magical crystal ball of a gamer I tell ya.

[CrazzyMan]

Sony is better to sell their wands bundled with PS3 Eye Toy for something like 30-40 pounds.
And start to bundle them with as many games as possible.
I mean, 50£ or even 30£. I would consider it as some threat to sales.

Btw, with Eeye Pet you can already experience some Natal features and even more. So, it`s not a fact, that Natal will be THAT succesful. It depends on games, BUT MS is sure to advertise Natal like 2nd coming. Time will tell, IF that upgraded "Eye Toy" will be sucessful.

[vhero]

MS has proved for them to win to in the past they had to be first. Sonys wand is out in March which means they are gonna 7 months behind Sony! Sony has proved its name and history has the pulling power to pull back from that kind of time but has MS? Thats a massive advantage for Sony. I cant wait for the new Resident Evil in March with the new wand that is a great combo. The NATAL looks good but honestly why is it taking that long?? The technology's already here. they PSEYE can do everything the NATAL can do its just the software we waiting for now.

Obviously MS started later than Sony this means. Which also Means as usual MS jumped on the bandwagon. Not only being the last to go motion sensor having to copy everything Sony does but having to clone the PSEYE. Very sad MS very sad...

[ThaOutKast]

Isn't the PSEye an upgraded EyeToy?

[vhero]

you also know the natal can only track 1 person at once? meaning no multiplayer motion sensor games unless online. Another way of MS forcing live on customers. Sony's wand system allows upto 4 wands to be tracked at any 1 time. So unlike the 360 Sony can get ports of wii classic games to PSN etc..

[IronFistChinMi]

Natal can scan and track 4 players at once.

[ThaOutKast]

Natal can track more than one person at a time, that's one of it's main features.

[green]

That is so untrue.Natal is capable of viewing multiple people at once. http://www.youtube.com/watc... .Go to 1.31 and 2.52 secs and see a family of 4 playing 1v100 and 2 people playing soccer split screen.

[leeger]

by the time Natal is out, ltd sales of the PS3 is already ahead of the 360. Watch how the PS3 will outsell the 360 by more than a million units this holiday season alone, add to that GOW3 and of course GT5.
I wanna see some decent games first before I believe the Natal hype, because as of now all i am seeing is a laggy casual gaming device

[Shadow Flare]

I love how 360 gamers are viewing natal as the second coming but in reality you guys will probably use it for a week and never use it again. You're gonna quickly learn that you need a controller for some experiences. How's an FPS gonna work unless its on rails? Believe me, if you think natal will be as big as the wii, it won't.

[beans]

Eyetoy is good for Sony but in no way has anything to do with NAtal and the impact it will have. The guys running around in fear of NAtal and spreading fud will be laughed at when it releases. MS shouldn't have to show anything until it's time so go enjoy your updated eyetoys lol.

[Bubbles_Kitty_Cat]

@Shadow Flare

What makes you think that it will have to be all or nothing?

I'm sure that a lot of games will use both a controller AND Natal at the same time.

I can't wait to see what developers do with it.

[callahan09]

I've been getting a lot of disagrees up there for stating that there's been no Natal software shown that interests me. So I take it that you disagreers are interested in some Natal software that you've seen? Please, let me know which Natal games are interesting to you, because I'd love to see some awesome stuff.

[Bubbles_Kitty_Cat]

People are excited by the concept and the possibilities.

Wait until some actual games get announced before asking people to name some games that they are looking forward to.

[gta_cb]

although i love to see innovative ideas such as the Nintendo Wii i will NOT be buying this. i am more of a traditional controller player. I did buy a Wii for my family but i never use it, never seen a game i have thought "wow that would be good on the wii" compared to on PS3 / Xbox 360

[ArmrdChaos]

I am losing count at the amount of times this has had to be repeated. It must be more convenient for Sony supports to just pretend the information doesn't exist. MICROSOFT HAS STATED THEMSELVES THAT NATAL WILL WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH REGULAR CONTROLLERS. They even admitted that some of the games that come out for it will be hybrid games that use both like.....FPS most likely. There are other things that Natal can do other than control which can be used within game. MS is making sure the Devs have enough time to explore those possibilities prior to launch.

[ReBurn]

You have no way to substantiate any of what you've said. At this point it's all opinion. How can you possibly know that ltd sales of PS3 will have surpassed 360 by this time next year? Honestly, you can't. Even if the PS3 outsells 360 by 1m units this year that doesn't mean that a cheap Natal won't have an impact.

In case you haven't noticed, the casual gamer market has a lot of purchasing power as seen by the Wii's success. If they can pack Natal in with a 360 for $200 for next year's holiday season (and they probably can) we're probably going to see the casual market really light up, especially if the software is there to support it. The ability to support local multiplayer (as has been demonstrated with the preliminary Natal demos) will really go a long way to strengthening the appeal of the package as something to have at the center of family game time.

[Syronicus]

And they said that it will release at 100 bucks. Who here thinks it's absurd to think that this Natal will release at any less of a price than their own WiFi adapter? As for innovative, what a shill, this "innovation" was released when the Eye Toy came out and even before that with the PC. This tech will come out and be forgotten about by hardcore gamers all over the world in a matter of weeks. If it is not faddish like the Wii, it will flop. Heck, I don't even have that much faith in the Sony wand but this eye-toy tech has been around before and failed to grab the general audience.

[leeger]

@reburn
yes, what i said is my opinion, the same way you said your opinion regarding the impact natal will do to the casual crowd....

geesh i guess people suddenly wants casual gaming to take over. I rather want MS focusing on actually making great AAA core games for core gamers rather than investing millions again to develope natal and not to mention the millions they are going to spend again to adverstise it like the second coming of Christ.

[JsonHenry]

If their wireless N adapter sells for a $100 then there is NO WAY Natal will sell for anything less than $150, and that is being optimistic.

[Elven6]

gaffyh: Microsoft's release up until September 2009 (since you said October)

The Lost & Damned
Halo Wars
Ninja Blade
Shadow Complex
Trials HD
'Splosion Man
1 vs. 100
Banjo Tooie
The Dishwasher: Dead Samurai
Kodu
Uno Rush
Lode Runner

After September

Forza Motorsport 3
South Park: Let's Go Tower Defense Play!
Lips: Number One Hits
Halo Waypoint (which isn't necessarily a game, more Meta I guess)
The Ballad of Gay Tony

That's the first/second party lineup, factor in the third party stuff both exclusive and multiplatform and their was a lot to appeal to all sorts of gamers, did you really find nothing interesting this year?

On topic: That would be a killer price, while I would definitely buy Natal, I'm interested in seeing how the games would work for it.

[PandemicPrawn0]

would coincide well with the release of both Halo Reach and Fable 3.

So that makes sense.

14 games at launch is a good number. I was expecting 4 to 6 but 14 should cover both family/casual titles and a few hardcores as well.

All Rare needs to do is release Viva Pinata 3 for Natal and I'm good.

[Reibooi]

If they are planning on selling the thing that cheap 2 things come to mind.

1) They don't care if they lose MASSIVE amounts of money(because the tech they talked about Natal doing would not be that cheap) to attract casual gamers and keep the 360 afloat.

or

2) They outright lied about what Natal is capable of and it's nothing but a glorified eye toy(which also sells for around that price) and will be a complete and utter failure.

[Golfcoachh]

and they gave natal the Grand Award winner for home entertainment. It was the top 100 best innovations of the year mag.

[dreman999]

How in dear lord did you come up with that?
Base on the price point I would say that they want to sell as much as possible. No one would buy it at $100

[sikbeta]

Halo Reach + natal? you make Halo sound cheap, I thought natal will be a response to the wii-mote

The love for the motion crap goes to the controller, If you don't have a motion controller you don't have the love of the casuals motion control lovers and gamers always want a joystick or a keyboard

Now, how much space you need to play a fps/tps If natal track all your movements and put in the game and if it manage to do it'll be pretty damn laggy, like the avatar shoe stuff also if you play with natal you'll get physically tired, what's the fun with that?

If you want to make physics exercises you go outside, games are to relax and have a good time, not like the wii-fit crap

5 million untits for day one, if that's truth is the typical M$ thinking:

-"hello I'm M$, look what I made, now buy it"

In the real world that kind of thinking doesn't apply to individuals

[PandemicPrawn0]

"if you play with natal you'll get physically tired, what's the fun with that?"

Are you really implying that you cannot get physically tired without have fun?

Really?

Play sports do ya?

[sikbeta]

Read my WHOLE comment please

I wrote:

"If you want to make physics exercises you go outside"

Like football and stuff, no yoga and other craps, Got it?

[Isaac]

Look at the blatant fanboyism from 360 zealots, there are so many duplicate accounts of the same user, you can just notice by the way they type, it's just too obvious and I love how the mods really don't do anything.

Anyway, for Natal to be successful, Microsoft needs to distance itself as most as it can from the 360's image of an unreliable console by:

a. Redesigning the 360 aesthetically, i.e. make it like a 360 slim, approaching Wii size

b. Redesigning the innards completely, actually making it *RELIABLE*

c. If they can, add a better CPU and better GPU, a similar jump in power the same way it was from gamecube to Wii, just to leave PS3 in the dust. The problem with that would be making the 360 not compatible with Natal games, which may not be the best thing to do, but hell, Nintendo killed of the gamecube anyway and didn't allow gamecube owners to upgrade through an add-on, so it would be understandable.

d. Market it as a new console. Do not name it Xbox 360. Do not relate it to Xbox 360, just make it backwards compatible with 360 games. Also, if they don't add more power, just offer current 360 owners the possibility of an upgrade (and I'm sure they will).

This is the only way I can see Microsoft succeeding. But you know what, I love it how 360 fanboys are lately out in full force trying to evangelize non 360 owners and insulting everything non-Microsoft, especially everything PS3 related. They just keep talking about tessellation and things they don't really know anything about, as if hte 360, which will be 5 years old hardware by then, was still relevant compared to PC hardware. I got bad news for most of you kids, Microsoft is taking the Wii route by focusing on user friendliness, NOT on hardcore gaming, at least not as much as before. So why are you partying anyway?

Anyway, I had to lol at these comments from the Sonic avatar guy though:

"If they can pack Natal in with a 360 for $200 for next year's holiday season"

Big IF. The 360 also needs a HDD, all devs have clamored for it. The new Natal is a double-eyed webcam with a relatively sophisticated CPU.

"(and they probably can)"

Stopped reading there. lol, first you call someone on making assertions about PS3 outselling 360 and then you make assertions about probabilities of what some company can and can't even though you also have no evidence, only your own ignorant beliefs. Wow, just wow. Yeah, Microsoft probably can give the 360 away too LULZ. Hell, they can do anything. Do they WANT to?

[Unending Punishment]

...so we get a controller and suddenly your fart of a comment disappeared into the wind.

Dude, Xbox 360 still has a controller. If you need a controller you'll buy one. I dunno why you think that Natal would prevent you from OWNING a controller period...

[Saigon]

I think that is too late...they might as well wait for the next gen if they do that...I think the spring or even the summer would be more suitable...what if the Wii2 decides to launch then...what would MS do...

[slayorofgods]

Now their's an idea to actually sell Natal

Call it Natal-Halo project. lmfao.

[IcarusOne]

Everyone seems to viewing this as an either/or scenario. "Just watch - you'll miss your controller!" "You'll get tired of using your body for everything!" You're missing the big advantage of Natal. It tracks your BODY, not a peripheral.

Imagine playing a FPS with your 360 controller. And you've got a squad. You reach a sketchy looking house. You let go of your joystick and hold up your fist. And your character does it in realtime with you. And you're whole squad stops moving. Then, using your controller, you slide up to the door and peek in. Looks clear. So you make a circle in the air with your finger. And again, your character does this in realtime, perfect tracking of your hand movement. And your squad regroups on you. It's like voice recognition only now it's BODY RECOGNITION.

This is just one example of how INTEGRATING Natal into already proven means of control - rather than replacing it entirely - can greatly enhance our immersion and interactivity.

[Saaking]

If it's only around 60 bucks with a game bundled I'd probably get it just to try it out.

However I must still ask, all of you so hyped up about motion controls why not get a Wii? What's the big difference between Natal and the Wii? In fact, I'd say the wii is probably better suited for hardcore games than Natal. I suggest all of you praising Natal should check out the wii.

[Reibooi]

@dreman999

It's incredibly simple. MS billed the thing as a higher res version of the eye toy(At least that's what there demos would have you believe)

The eye toy is around this price(cheaper really) And it cannot do all the things Natal is supposed to be able to do flawlessly in high res.

With that logic it means either it does have much more advanced tech then the eye toy(which would cost alot more then 100 bucks) and they are willing to take a massive hit in the wallet to try to get the thing into the market place for a long term victory(which i doubt will work anyway as I think Natal is pretty lame)

The other possibility is that Natal was all smoke and mirrors when it was shown and literally is nothing more then a eye toy(which would again explain how they could sell it that cheap)

This are really the only 2 possibility's with a price point this low. It's either crap tech they lied about with smoke and mirrors or it's high tech that they are willing to take a hit in the wallet for so they can invest in the future. It's that simple.

[SaberEdge]

I am definitely taking a wait and see attitude towards Natal, but I do think that its potential is exciting and I look forward to see what developers can achieve with it.

I don't know why hardcore PS3 fanboys even feel the need to come in here and try to denounce Natal. It's an exciting piece of technology and it's obvious why it has many gamers excited by the possibilities. Will it succeed? No one knows. But why be so damn negative about it before we've even seen what it will bring to the table?

Saaking, I know you hate anything to do with the 360, but I will answer you anyway. Natal does everything that the Wiimote does, only it adds a bunch of other functionality that is not found in the Wiimote or Eyetoy. I don't understand how some of you continue to pretend to be ignorant of that fact. The other reason I think some gamers are more excited by Natal than by the Wii is that the 360 is a high def console with advanced graphics and the games that Microsoft and 3rd party publishers release for it are very different than the kind of games that get released for the Wii.

I'm not saying that Natal is going to be the greatest thing ever or that it will even succeed--none of us know that--but what I am saying is that it has potential and I think it is completely expected that gamers would be interested to see what comes out of that potential.

[Power_of_Black]

Wow this will definitely turn the xbox 360 into a cutting edge next gen console.

[jav0918]

I like how everyone assumes Natal will be mandatory...

[DroidStation3rdPlace]

I guess That will Kill PS3

but again

They could always give them for free

[OmarJA]

Too bad the 360 has died & no body care about it's exclusives both ODST & Flopza 2.5 flopped in sales...

Cry moar bot.

[AliTheBrit19]

^^ I didn't care for ODST that much, but it sold 2 MILLION copies in the first 24Hrs, you call that a flop?

How much has Uncharted 2 sold up to this point? go on, try make it sound like a lot xD

[DroidStation3rdPlace]

OWNED

[OmarJA]

Guess 8 million Halo 3 owners didn't care about that flop.

[stonecold1]

because gt5 final fantasy vs going to put the crapbox into 3rd place try and get pass the wii and the ps3 sales in japan australia europe newzealand the 360 does not stand a chance and the crap box cant hardley out sell the 9 year old in japan natal will be the next sega

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

japan=very small market compared to the rest of the world.

[PopEmUp]

so where 200k you got it from? Oh wait that was vgchart lmao

[360CommunityAbovePS3]

and remember kids

360 Community Head and Shoulders Above PS3

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

eh, if MS is only going to sell this for 50-60 bucks I don't see how revolutionary it could be. Hell, a wifi adapter costs 100 bucks!

[xcox]

no, i call that a premature ejaculation

lol

[Cletus]

I dont undrstands whutz my boot has to do wit fishing.

[DroidStation3rdPlace]

Natal will OWN 2010

can't wait

[vhero]

Just like the PSEYE owned 2008?? I Doubt it...

[ReBurn]

Was there a game other than Eye of Judgement and a handful of PSN titles to support the PSEye? Sony didn't really throw much support behind that peripheral.

[Sez]

like a fake yugioh game (Eye of Judgement) and a few other inspired dev's to support the eyetoy. sony has a habit of not fully supporting their peripheral. remember the ps tap where you could play 4 players on one game. how many games where made for that.

[gamingisnotacrime]

be playing GT 5, GoW 3, Heavy Rain, Great games that are releasing now but im not getting due to crowded season like Assasins Creed 2, Borderlands, etc.

I think its great for those that like motion games to have options like Natal, Wii, PS3 motion controller, etc, but to think a motion console will overtake the stunning AAA library of games for core gamers coming out next year is a little off.

It will be interesting to see how Natal is received, definetely 2020 is shaping up to be a defining year for the Video game industry as we know it, i just hope the core gamers are still served when all this motion frenzy arrives.

PSN: NoGodsOnlyMan

[Saaking]

No, GOWIII, Heavy Rain, TLG, Agent, GT5, and MAG will own 2010.

[BYE]

Maybe it will own, I will not own it.

[SaberEdge]

No, what will own in 2010 will be being a gamer that plays all the good games that come out on either console. I will be very happy in 2010 playing games like Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake, God of War 3, Heavy Rain, Splinter Cell Conviction, The Last Guardian, and Halo Reach. Loser fanboys are the ones that lose out.

[wpggamer]

If ms is copying sony with natal, why is sony researching their own full body motion controller. They should just be able to use the eye toy right?

http://www.newscientist.com...

[Cyberwaste]

They will also own your wallets, With there $100 wireless adapter. Natal is looking like it will cost more than the console itself. I realy dont see people buying into this, especialy if the price rumours are true.

*edit* there is no way it will be as cheap as you say above not with microsofts previous rep with overcharging on HDDs,, Adapters etc, wishfull thinking though.

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

"The device should cost under £50 when sold solo. One publishing source says Microsoft is “trying to get as close as possible to ‘impulse buy’”. Another even says the camera could even retail for just £30."

edit: Microsoft is Hoping for a Big Impact with Natal's release so they'll be doing everything possible to move the most units for Christmas 2010. That's exactly what they will be doing with a £30-£50 price tag for the Camera device and 14 games available at launch.

[IronFistChinMi]

Did you read the article?

You say it won't be that cheap given the price of the wireless adapters and HDD, but you have to consider that they'll make money back from software sold, which doesn't apply to those products you mentioned.

Basically, they'll be looking to get as many Natal units in peoples homes as possible and at this rumoured price it would be easier.

[blackpanther25]

the article says they are trying to go for a impulse by....which means it will be at a price point that you won't have to consider buying....you will just buy...

If it has the right games for it I will buy it. I sold my wii so im not really into the whole motion thing. If halo reach has motion parts then damn i have no choice

[ReBurn]

If Natal can support 4 players at once then a wireless adapter won't be necessary. This technology is going to be targeted at friends and family who will be playing in the same room, so why will there be a need for a Wifi adapter and an Live Gold subscription? That drops $150 off of the cost comparison list that many people like to publish with their posts. The on-board memory in the Arcade unit is more than adequate for game saves, so the $100 for an HDD is not necessary.

If MS does it right this could be a good push into the casual gaming market, a market that doesn't care as much about internet connectivity and online play. The Wii has been wildly successful without a hard drive. It offers extremely limited online play. And it isn't impossible to get a 360 online without a WiFi adapter. There is ethernet built in.

[Alcon Caper]

To price an optional peripheral less then a "required" peripheral (we all know wireless isn't "required" but most people will get it, regardless--the same with the HDDs).

The profits from the required peripherals can supplement the ones that they're pushing, ie Natal.

[OmarJA]

People still care about this grabage?

[likedamaster]

Deleted by mod in the open zone? Ouch!

[CliffyB]

you are such a fangirl. Even Hideo Kojima said Natal will "start a revolution" Yes people still care about this "garbage". The Ps3 wand however, not so much.

[gamer7804]

With Halo Reach at 60$ and Natal at a max of 60$, that's like 120$. A really good deal, specially if the camera can do video conferencing too like the old camera.

[AliTheBrit19]

Damn, THAT cheap!? I wasn't expecting that

Like it or not (I don't, motion control ftl) Natal is going to be massive, I can see the PS wands launching and then...nobody really cares and after a couple of weeks it just goes on to the shelf with all the over supposed next big things..

Like PS Eye..PlayTV

Natal on the overhand..I mean goddamn, you seen the kind of support it has!?

[stonecold1]

the 9 year old ps2 first but natal is another sega add on

[keysy420]

i expect to see a carbon coppy of all natal games on the ps3 that way you kill natal off early

[timotei]

You're from the UK, so who cares what you think. Sell your 360 and go to the dentist

[djtek184]

Its cheap, but knowing M$ they will probably add a monthly usage fee.

[Scott667]

It seems as if MS is VERY competitive with Natal, I honestly thought that it would be $100+, I just hope that it works out for them.

This seems like it will (unfortunately) completely counter-act Sony's Motion Controller. Such a competitive price and 14 launch games (provided that they aren't all just demo-type games like we've seen at E3) will definitely attract more consumer's than the wand (currently unpriced). Oh well, hope that the news doesn't hurt Sony too badly.

[blackpanther25]

sony it is the PlayStation eye and the wand....you have to have both for it to work. Since the eye has been out for a while they could sell them together for a total price of $60 as well. This is just an assumption anyway

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

And this is why Natal is going to be a much bigger success than sony's eyetoy because Microsoft will give it lots of support. Their already has been many reports of top developers very excited on what Natal can do. I mean what has sony done so for with its eyetoy technology? Eye of Judgement? LOL!

Microsoft is going to own 2010.

[zenosaga04]

How is Microsoft supposed to own 2010 when Natal comes out in November? Last time I checked there were 12 months in a year right?

[Feral Gamer]

I never played Eye of Judgement. What's the point in playing a card game on a console anyway?

[The Great Melon]

I believe Sony have kept that information more under wraps. I remember reading somewhere that they have been showing it to their internal studios so they can release it with software. Whether this means motion control upgrades for current games or new motion games I don't know. However it would be very stupid of a company to release a half-a55ed motion system with no games in this market that is now swinging and flailing its way into the mainstream.

Both Microsoft and Sony will have support for their products, or else they will never be accepted by the public. This reminds me of wiimotion plus. I have 10+ games and ones I am looking forward to, but not one of them uses the addon.

[zenosaga04]

Wait...

so I'm confused, why all the disagrees? are there more than 12 months in a year?

[green]

AT TGS this year, Sony announced the spring 2010 launch line up for the wand.
Ape Escape,
Echochrome 2,
Eccentric Slider,
Sing and Draw,
Champions of Time,
Motion Party,
The Shoot, and Tower.

"upgraded via software update to take advantage of the Motion Control device are existing PlayStation 3 games including"
PAIN,
Flower,
Hustle Kings,
High Velocity Bowling, and EyePet
http://www.gamasutra.com/ph...

[The Great Melon]

@green

I forgot about that stuff. Everything in that list save for LittleBigPlanet are smaller psn games.

What I am hoping they will do the wand is make games like Uncharted, infamous, etc. compatible OR make games of this caliber in the future compatible with the wand. If they were to do that people like myself would be far more tempted to go and buy the product. They proved that they are at least considering that option considering that they did the Resident Evil 5 demo with the controls.

[Eamon]

@zenosaga04
LOOOL, you made me laugh there. Bubbles for you mister!

[zenosaga04]

Hahaha I aim to please Eamon. Some people are way too serious on this site

[Why o why]

good sport....i was thinking the same thing. I guess there must be more than 12 months in illogical world

@ green, good pull, i didnt know that

@ green again

*raises glass*

[blackpanther25]

i didn't even know sony is going to try and push out that much.

@MLG i agree man sony didn't advertise the eye and Microsoft is not trying to make that mistake. Microsoft is really going hard with the natal.

I think i made my decision....i'm going to buy one

[green]

I think since it's launching spring next year, Sony studios will be pressed for time to develop Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 like games for the wand.SOny will most likely release the casual stuff listed above then roll out backwards compatibility for previous titles and then towards the end of next year, roll out hardcore games that fully take advantage of the wand.

I know that most people are skeptical about motion controls but i am really excited to see what Sony and Microsoft can pull off with their offerings.

@ Why o Why: raises glasses as well.

[Foxgod]

Can i have a big, I TOLD YOU SO!.
Here it is you silly doubters, everything i predicted about Natal, crammed in one article.

[Why o why]

counting chickens by any chance....Bit premature to be ejaculating over your chums so lets just wait and see.

To the 360 fans: Good luck, i hope natal AND sony's MC will help put the hardcore back into motion control gaming better than the eyetoy did.

[TROLL EATER]

GReat price too. HALO REACH + natal and its game lineup in fall 2010 looking HOT

[Why o why]

this is amazing;)

[Nihilism]

People that think this will have any effect on 360 sales are deluded, natal will only work with new titles, and anyone interested in gaming for the motion control aspect most likely already own a Wii, it's a sad game of catch up for MS and Sony, nintendo did it right, the others dissed, now they are begging for a slice. Nintendo will continue to dominate in sales in consoles and games, even if the games are Mario Kart Fitness 7 and the like.

I really thought Natal would launch with the next x-box as well, we'll see in a years time i suppose.

@Foxgod

actually i won't be saying anything at all, console wars are below me, i just think it's hilarious that the HARDCORE!!!!!! console's are appealing to the kiddies now.

[Foxgod]

Yes yes, i get it, you are a pessimist.
Next year you will be posting the following:

I CANT BELIEVE ALL THOSE PEOPLE ARE BUYING NATAL, whats wrong with them.

[ApocalypseShadow]

you're an optimist for games you haven't seen and a price you can't confirm.

SHOULD cost and COULD cost don't equal **WILL** cost.but it's nice being optimistic right?

a year is a long time to wait. and it was obvious microsoft couldn't jump to next gen because of the cost to launch a new system, game development cost and economic climate.

[mastiffchild]

@dchalfont-IDK what's up with all the console bashing dude. Thing is there's casual games galore on 360,PS3,PS2 and Wii. Guess what? There is on the PC too! My kids are always playing some nonsense on mine, trust me. So why doe it matter what's available on any platform as long as there are great games for YOU?

I play great PC games, great Sony exclusives and great multis on PS3 and great exclusives on 360. I even play some GREAT Wii games when they're about. Christ I'm sick of the divisive nature of gamers atm. This is axactly why IW and acti shafted us so hard and got away with it.

BTW, dchal-not just you on that score I just thought you'd be one of those more against the current climate of all round hate. Wouldn';t we ALL be better off just as gamers?

[Nihilism]

There's no console hate. I just think motion control is ridiculous. I have owned every single nintendo console and handheld since the beginning as well as a ps2 an x-box and an atari ( and been a pc gamer all the while), but motion control has ruined gaming for me. I sold my wii which was quite upsetting for me, i was looking forward to it so much. I would never buy an x-box 360 after owning the first and experiencing problems, as well as obvious 360 issues. Ps3 didn't do it for me because besides the first few models they didn't offer BC, if it did i would buy one in an instant, all my reasons are very valid, but i never said i hate any of the console's. I just think motion control is a bad direction to be taking games. For kids it's great, for me, not so much.

[Anon1974]

Seriously, why on earth would the average casual, who is the target audience for Natal, pick up a Xbox 360 and Natal when they can just pick up a Wii for $200?

Also, I'm with dchalfont. I've been a Nintendo supporter for years and owned every Nintendo system from the Super NES up and the Wii was a huge disappointment for me because I hated the motion control. And I felt guilty for it. I tried to force myself to play the damn thing for a year before I sold it but just couldn't get into it when I had the 360 and PS3 to choose over the Wii. Casuals seem to love it, and I think it's great that Nintendo is doing so well, it just wasn't for me.

[josephayal]

NATAL IS FOR KIDS UNDER 7 YEARS OLD, IS LIKE THE WII

[Bumpmapping]

Natal=32x add on

Natal wont have any impact on sales what so ever.Console add ons are proven to fail like 54.2 failure rate on a hot summer night.

[4point7BillionLoss]

you're going to be so sad when Xbox regains it's 8 million lead on PSLast again ....

[OmarJA]

Lol agreed.

[WildArmed]

lol key word here 'regain'..
so yo admit that ps3 is catching up and fast!
Good to see some progress among fanboys

[4point7BillionLoss]

in June 2008 The gap between PS3 and xbox hardware sales was ONLY 5.5 million. However that gap ROSE to 8 million by august 2009.

So of course PS3 has made some gains by bringing out a new model and selling it at an even bigger loss by dropping the price. But the spike of sales has now slowed hugely. The difference globaly is only around 40k units.

[hatchimatchi]

^^ why do you hate the ps3 so much?

just wondering

[MaximusPrime]

the next HDDVD add-on

[kewlkat007]

I still wanna see how some games will fare with this thing.

Plus if you hate/bash MS/'s and 360's guts, you most likley don't give a fu#k about Natal. Plus you got your Eyetoy to play wit.

[Why o why]

and i totally agree. Lets see it working first before ejaculatin like foxgod.

@ foxgod. Take some of your own advice foxy and apply that 'optimism' in a ps3/sony article you silly hypocrite, nobody's fooled

@ apocalypse, i also hear where your coming from but at least kewls in a 360 article calming his own people down...Not many risk the wrath of their own. If his comments are more balanced then kudos is due.

[ApocalypseShadow]

and everything sony related. you're comment about the eye speaks volumes.

[Foxgod]

Thats just pessimist talking.

Optimism makes a better world, pessimist are just a bunch of whiny bitter know all good for nothing ignorant flame starters.

[ApocalypseShadow]

you're an optimist about natal and everything else in the world....

but a pessimist in ps3 articles?

hmmmm.........

[Nicaragua]

Wow man, thats like such a profound statement - really far out.

[Mc Fadge]

There's a difference between optimism and straight out delusion, and your're bordering on the latter.

[MajestieBeast]

Gonna be as useless as the powerglove soon.

[keysy420]

the first day and that is it

[Nihilism]

yet it sold more than most ps3 exclusives....what are you trying to imply exactly?

[likedamaster]

Owned much Keysy420?

Also,

Dragon Age Origins>Demon Souls

[hatchimatchi]

dragon age origins over demon's souls?

that's funny cause ps3 owners can buy both games, and since you come off as a fanboy, i'll play into your shenanigans. According to comparison sites, dragon age is better for the ps3.

your argument is moot.

[OmarJA]

Watch your mouth little boy we don't mommy to hit you again.

[Nihilism]

settle down dearie, getting all worked up like that over a plastic box is surely not good for your health

[divideby0]

good price.....
I have not use for it, since it cant be used effectively online..
intresting tek, but without seeing a game that I would play, makes this like our Wii just a niche

[Nihilism]

you forgot to say "buy demon souls before getting dragon age" as you have in every post for the last month...

[Fishy Fingers]

Seems everyone hated motion control until their company of choice released one. Funny how that works.

[DelbertGrady]

Will be fun to see Natal dominate Sony's silly dildo.

[man0fsteel]

edit: eh forget it - deleted

[devilhunterx]

Will there be a Project Natal girl?

For those new to the internet, go watch the Wii Fit girl on youtube

[silvacrest]

considering that the just released wireless N adapter cost $100, i cant imagine natal being only £50

anyway, if natal does actually work like the E3 conference shows and is priced decently it could be huge

[zonetrooper5]

The shoe spammer has been banned from the site.

[ReBurn]

Thank you very much!

[FailureRate54]

NOVEMBER TWO THOUS... MAHAUAUHAHUHAUHAUHUA

Project Flopal.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

: )

Good luck with all of that.

[kalioon]

2010? will the xbox even be a viable platform by that time? A year is a very long time away. WiiHD should be out by that time, as mentioned the ps3 wand will be out. Will there be any 360 fans left that dont already have motion contols bythat time?

[ReBurn]

What would prevent Xbox from being a viable platform by the end of 2010?

[Condemnedman]

I think it it will work with future consoles as well as current models there is still life in the current batch of (all) consoles

[spinbot_lv1]

try eyepet on ps3.no need of a project natal.this is the reality.

[chrisulloa]

Eyepet got a 7 from most critics. LOL

[Lou-Cipher]

Yep, and Eyepet can do more than any Natal game, so what kind of scores do you think Natal games are going to score? 5's & 6's? HAHAHA

[hatchimatchi]

i own eyepet and it's actually pretty neat. The wow factor kinda wore off quick but i'm 24. The game is better suited for my niece and nephews.

[DJ]

They've been wrangling up developers and investors left and right, but still haven't been able to eliminate some significant tracking glitches and lag from Natal. It's not like those issues can just magically disappear by launch date.

As of right now, the PS3 motion controller looks more accurate and reliable for game developers, and will actually allow certain Wii titles to cross over to the PS3. Natal is really just EyeToy, and there's a good reason Sony stopped pushing for games that strictly relied on the camera. It's just too limiting.

[kewlkat007]

say it ain't so joe...lol

[mistajeff]

I'm surprised they got the price so low. Still not gonna get it.

[jack_burt0n]

crazy price for the tech, fair ammount of computing power heat sensing cameras etc in that little box, it will be impressive if they bundle it with every 360 @ no cost.

[NecrumSlavery]

Lots of mod deletions.

LoL

[punisher99]

Personally. I'm not a fan of any motion controllers. I think they are just a gimmick meant to bring in "non gamers" But my question is to anyone that wants to answer it. If you are using the standard controller with NATAL? Then whats the whole point of NATAL in the first place? Why not just use the controller???

[SSCOOLCHEA]

the ps2 eye cost 60 bucks .....what kind of cheap aftermarket parts are they putting in these things to sell for so fkn cheap . Just like the shltbox with its aftermarket parts its going to crumble. But bots are stupid anyways let them ...

will the 360 still be around in nov 2010...I highly doubt that , i think another upgrade is coming ..

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

Suffer from sub par success then I will sit here and laugh at you all who thought natal would be anything but a add on that shined a little...but did not live up to the hype...(i don't even see a reason to be excited abut what we have seen from natal if you are hardcore) Natal has showed us nothing but a hype train that dose not deserve it

[Crystallis]

This is just another toy to appeal to the casual. Natal along with Sony's Wand will have little to no impact on the casual market. As sad as it is the Wii holds most of the casual market. Sony and MS are just trying to take a little piece of the pie from Nintendo is all.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

U said it perfect...

[Neo604]

It can only have simple minded games for feeble minded kids.
Have fun waving air.

[wingman32x]

Damn! What a low price. Wasn't expecting that. I'll probably be getting both Natal and the PS Motion controller. I personaly prefer the PS motion controller because Natal seems like something that could fail hard if done wrong. I'm not saying it will, I'm just saying it's risky. I'll still probably pick it up due to the low price point,

[PandemicPrawn0]

Once agian we see nothing but hate from most posters on this site.

The price point and game support were both points made against Natal in other articles.

Now we have some details saying that it's gonna be a reasonable price with a strong games line up, and its still getting venom from the haters.

I don't get it. Natal looks and sounds promising to me. It's got strong support from both first and third party developers, the price is looking like a non issue.

If it works it works, if it doesn't it doesn't.

[Neo604]

Since xbox main game genre is fps, I doubt you'll have accurate aiming not to mention movement.

[Xi]

I think the 360 is one of, if not the, most balanced console for games. It has a ton of rpg's action adventure games, 3rd person shooters, sport titles etc. If any console is being fps specific I'd say it's the ps3.

[SpartanZero]

People seem to forget the features that natal will feature like the idiot above me

[wingman32x]

features are nothing unless they are utilized properly. Look at the potential the Wii had, it could have changed the industry forever but instead became shovelware city. I never said Natal doesn't have potential, I'm just wary of it due to what happened to the wii.

[Lou-Cipher]

What can Natal do that the PS eye cant?

The answer is NOTHING.

I can scan items using PS Eye
I can play games using only my body using PS Eye(with better accuracy)
I can use voice commands using PS Eye

PS Eye is already available, and is in thousands of households already.

The PS Eye/Wands will have over 50+ games by the time Natal launches with its meager 14 games.

PS Eye/Wand can play not only every Natal game, but can also play every Wii game if ported. can Microsoft port wii games over to Natal without a motion controller? Again, the answer is NO.

Think about it people, Natal doesn't have one single advantage over Sony;s motion tech, so why do you you clowns cling to such a awful product(Natal) to bring the 360 back from the dead?

Microsoft is going to advertise the he11 out of Natal, and people are going to get it home and realize it is just another over hyped product the they have been tricked into buying. (just like Halo ODST)

[biggame901]

Natal does seem like it will have the support from the start to make somewhat of an impact. 14 games at launch is a good start, and with launching with their biggest title in Halo: Reach, it could make for an interesting holiday.

However, I'm still not buying some things noted. While a $50-60 price point sounds nice, it sounds highly unlikely, considering Microsoft's horrendous history of peripheral pricing ($100 Wifi adapter, $150 120gb harddrive among them.) I have a hard time buying that this will buck this trend.

Some of you are already projecting mega success for Natal. I want to all to take a moment, stop being blinded by fanboyism and be realistic. Motion control is a fad, not the future. Its primary aim is casual gamers, which by the way, is not the 360s audience. It may have a problem latching onto this group.

In closing, console add-ons have a LONG standing history of failure. I don't see Natal changing that history. It will have its moment, and then fade out of existence.

[PandemicPrawn0]

"Motion control is a fad, not the future. Its primary aim is casual gamers".

That may be true at the moment but there is potential for more complex or hardcore games.

Natal and the PS wand is another step along the way to that awesome Jedi game we all dream about playing with motion controls. (admit it, you know you have.)

Console add ons are hit and miss (mostly miss.) But that dose not mean someone can't get it right one day.

[Xi]

I'm most excited to see the results of the Xengine that is rumoired to help push the visual fidelity of 360 games.

[Alan Wake]

yap jealousy like all time

Bcuz the end of ps3 in 2010 heheheehhehe

they have no games Lolz

only God of war 2.5 hehehhehehheheheh

[Alan Wake]

hehehehehhehe Forza 3 flop??????? hmmmmmmm 9.5 gamespot score that mean flop game???? hehhehheheeh

give one exclusives racing game on ps3 have good score or big review????

most like AAA titls > PGR3 & PGR4 & FORZA2 & FORZA3 xbox 360 exclusives !!

[Alan Wake]

demon souls??? lololololololz WTF ugly game

Flop sells 300K only on 1 month lololololololz

[hatchimatchi]

Demon's Souls is a great game and it exceeded the expectations of atlus.

It gained a reputation for being brutally hard, having a great atmosphere and game mechanics. The game had almost no advertising and gamers showed sony and atlus that there is a market for games that break the mold.

Demon's Souls is a success through and though.

Stop trolling

[Shendow]

Its nice to see 360 people hype about something that says it can do alot but you haven't see much for, I'm betting Natal is going to do as good as EyeToy did or in 360 words, about has good as LIPS an that movie game that puts you into the movie.

Sony is pushing their idea with the controller an making it feel more real, E3 they show move styles of games that it will work with then Mircosoft did with their little cam, I don't see Natal working with more then one person because to much movement going on, but 360 people have been knew not to think of the problem that it might have.

Another thing to keep in mind, Sony did the cam last gen, which means Sony has move time and work on their idea's then Microsoft has on Natal.

[stuna1]

Alan Wake, you need to go back to sleep!

[ndibu]

Nuff said

[BYE]

We're all in one boat.

The industry is trying to force casual gaming on us, time to assemble a core gaming defence force.

[ReBurn]

It's funny how people are dissing "casual" and complaining that it is being forced upon us. People willingly forking over hundreds of millions of dollars, Euro, yen...

That doesn't sound forced to me.

[CLANCY BROWN]

Why all the hate for casual games? Uncharted 2 is a great casual game.
The sad thing that you have failed to realize is that most games are already casual.

[Alan Wake]

ps3 motion controller same like dildo

yes sony fan need it for used lolz

[FailureRate54]

Yeah we use it with our girlfirends, unlike you that use it for your OWN g@y sexual pleasure.

[CliffyB]

You use a dildo with your girlfriend!? Do you have a size problem or a function problem?

[Thoreau]

i truly enjoyed my xbox1, great console... the 360 is only "ok". why do so many 360 only owners desire natal. micro charges you 50 bucks a year so if you owned your 360 since lauch, you have paid at least 200 dollar for online play. i am not really into any motion control crap, be it from sony or micro. i can't see any justification for the purchase of natal until micro hacks of the online multiplayer fee and redesigns the 360 to become more reliable. i have only had 1 case of RROD but i don't play my 360 that much so maybe i am just lucky.

i am not saying the 360 is a bad console(xbl-heavens boxer) i am just saying micro is screwing their faithful,

i also noticed an idiot whom posted that dragon age is better than demons soul, well, sony ps3 owners get both games and 360 owners only get 1 choice. variety is the spice of life.

[Bigpappy]

Natal is NOT Eyetoy. I can see Natal out selling Halo Reach. 3mil in 2 months. Some people would buy it just to move around the blades on 360 dashboard. I am a hard core RPG guy, and I want one.

[StrboyM]

mimes all over the World are rejoicing. lol

[ef-u-2]

its called girls,girls like facebook, girls like twitter, girls like video chat, girls also like motion controls and easy to use interfaces, buttons analog sticks and triggers turn girls away from games not all girls but most girls MS wants girls to start buying and using game machines

[Cajun Chicken]

Acceptable price. MS, please don't dumb down the innovation...