Square Enix: 'No chance' 360 will compromise PS3 FFXIII

Some fans have expressed concern that content may be left out of both versions of the game due to DVD storage limitations.

Speaking to VideoGamer.com, Kitase dispelled that myth. He said: "The team is targeting to create an equal experience on both the 360 and the PS3, so there are no limitations. For example, right now we're working on the PS3 version first, and once we've completed that we'll really know how much game there will be to fit onto the Xbox 360 discs.

[Chris399]

And what the Hell was trailer we saw at the MS event then? "Running on 360 hardware."

I don't want to talk about console wars or "preferences", but Square Enix are the biggest liars of this gen. Worse than EA - before the fall. DS ports to the Wii. Over a decade old SNES ports (Chrono Trigger) retailing for full price. Last Remnant, Infinite Undiscovery. Sure, you might find some enjoyment, somewhere in one of those titles, but you're really reaching if you do.

Not impressed with them at all. FFXIII had better be the ULTIMATE JRPG at this point (or WRPG, which is more what they're aiming for). Actions speak louder than words. Or games, in this case. And the games just aren't there to match the egos over at SE.

[Forrest Gump]

That's not to say it won't score well,it'll be another GTA4 scenario after actual gamers have played it.

I just hope it's a AA experience and has enough content on disc to satisfy JRPG fans.

[Lifendz]

but I still have to wait for them to finish the 360 version before I can get my hands on the game.

[Ramtough]

If its less than or 4 disc on 360 I will be disappointed. I really want this to be a full RPG experience.

[menoyou]

We all know this is BS. Square-enix will do anything for Microsoft's big bag of money. And saying that they are aiming for both to be equal is proof pretty much admitting that the PS3 version will probably be dumbed down to make it equal with the 360 version.

[Topshelfcheese]

having imported the Demo and played it. The game looks beatiful, but I believe its a step backwards in gameplay to what FF12 delivered, but that's just my opinion.

[edgeofblade]

Here is how you make FFXIII fit on one DVD9 disk.

Render cinematics in engine. Done.

But this is Square Enix (Eidos?). Of course they are going to waste 5 disks on 1080p cut scenes to the detriment of gameplay.

[peeps]

but 1 of the best things about the ff series has always been the stories and i want them to keep telling them using amazing cutscenes tbh, not watered down to cater for the 360's dvd's (good job they are doing it this way then, although arn't they using a lower res cutscenes for the 360 version?)

[OmarJA]

Whatever, i just know that i will be enjoying both the best version of this & Versus & maybe XIV on a reliable hardware each on one single blu-ray without worrying about my system breaks down or switch between DVDs.

[Wizeguy21]

So when then say "compromise" what are they trying to say about the xbox 360????

[talltony]

If you have a choice of what platform to buy it for. It would be smarter to buy it on ps3. It just would be the smarter thing to do for this game.

[vhero]

FFXIII was compromised the moment they got that paycheck from MS.. They wont be able to put certain lighting effects etc into the game and have to lower some parts of the game graphically to port just like you would with a 360 game porting to ps3. Not saying its because PS3 is more powerful but they cannot get the best out of both consoles and make a duplicate game its impossible.

[talltony]

People, does this comment mean that one version could possibly hold back the other version?

“So we don’t know how many discs it’ll be housed on for 360, but there won’t be a chance that we’ll compromise anything because, oh it didn’t fit in the 360 discs so we’ll have to take it out of the PS3 version, or vice versa.”

[SuperM]

"The team is targeting to create an equal experience on both the 360 and the PS3, so there are no limitations"

Ok i really dont get these guys logic. They say that there will be no compromise for the PS3 version and then they say they are targeting to create an equal experience on both platforms. If the PS3 version is compromised that would be because they want both versions to be equal. And now they are saying that they are trying to make both versions equal, and that is somehow supposed to mean that the PS3 version wont be compromised?

And also Square has proven themselves to be quite the liars. First they said that PS3 version wouldnt be delayed and that the work on the 360 version would only start when they are done with the PS3 version, something which was also very illogical since the PS3 and 360 versions are to be released at the same time, which means that it would infact be delayed (funny how Square enix makes a lie and in the same sentence basically confirms that it is a lie). But now they have proven that work on 360 version is well underway which means they lied at pretty much everything they said.

[ultimolu]

These guys are lying and running around in circles.
I sure as hell hope, for their sakes that the game is equal on both platforms and the PS3 version isn't gimped.

[AKNAA]

“So we don’t know how many discs it’ll be housed on for 360, but there won’t be a chance that we’ll compromise anything because, oh it did not’t fit in the 360 discs so we’ll have to take it out of the PS3 version, or vice versa.”

Okay, ps3 owners, you all heard it yourself just now, SE won't hold back the ps3 version just because some content might not fit in the 360 discs.... But then again, they did say that they wanted both consoles to have an equal experience, so it does sound like bullsh1t a little....

[mastiffchild]

More pointless squaking fromSE about this game eh? Isn't it obvious to evryone that FF13 will be slightly dynbed down for BOTH versions purely because they want them to be equal and PS3 and 360 have different strengths. Bo multi will ever be as good as the game would have been if exclusive to EITHER console.

An exclusive has the total freedom to push the game as far as possible on the hardware available but when you drag another, very different nit of hardware into the equation with the expressed ambition of having the games run the same on both then you certainly won't be pushing either console as hard as you could-it's damn obvious.

The trouble with SE, these days, isn't that they have a hard on for MS cash, or even that they basically forced many people to buy PS3 under the impression things would be available(and FF13 exclusive)on that console then changed thei minds and released nothing. No, the problem is they think we'll(gamers) swallow almost anything as long as we get our precious FF games.

Sadly noone much believes a word they say-PS3 gamers don't and neither do that many 360 owners given the weakness of the games SE has brought them this gen. I think most of us are sick of the baloney from SE and this latest smake and mirrirs act fools nobody. FF13 will not now be as good on PS3 as it would have been had it remained exclusive NOR will it be as good on 360 as it would have been had they jumped ship completely and made it exclusive to MS platform-both sets of gamers now get a game governed by both sets of the consoles weaknesses without being able to use the full force of their differing strengths.

I hope for everyones sake that the pressure this has pout on the game isn't going to mean that it's not possible to get close to expectations. Before people were hoping for a masterpiece but now they're demanding one with the belief that SE may well fail. Not a good spot to put themselves in , is it?

[Jecht]

cinematics don't take up as much space as you might think.

[chaosatom]

oh-oh.

[gaffyh]

@1.6 -

1. The whole point of FF games is to have beautiful rendered video, without it it just becomes another JRPG.

2. MGS4 has all in-engine cutscenes, no pre-rendered stuff, but it still pushes 36GB in size, so maybe it won't be as easy as you think. Obviously depends on the devs and quality of the cutscene but you know what I mean.

@1.17 - The FF13 demo has two big movie files, one of which is 2.04GB (z016_ps3.wmp), and the second is 2.37GB (z000_ps3.wmp). This means that 4.41GB of the demo is just video. The demo is 5.09GB in size and 256MB of that is PS3 update data. So edgeofblade's suggestion actually is realistic

[OGharryjoysticks]

It's funny how you describe SquareEnix's facination for Microsoft's money, but this past year Square Enix posted losses for a lot of money. Actually if I recall, this past year was one of the worst for them financially. For some reason, I don't think the MS devotion money is doing them any good.

[Jaces]

I don't care!

Just release the damn game already.

[Kenshinhimurasz]

I agree with Gaffyh
The beautiful cinematic in Final Fantasy games make them different from any other.

Its good to see that they reworked the battle system because the demo that came out for Japan was ok not great. There wasn't much variety of attacks and spells, but now with the nice battle system. From what I've seen they added "Attack All, an extra action bar, Summons and Limit Break connection, Better spell effects". It looks fun now, but I'm still wondering how the lvl system works.

I would like to say that the music so far is great, reminds me of FFVII and FFX.

[RememberThe357]

I was just about to comment on that.

How the hell can you say "We're ot going to comprise" then turnaround and say in the very next sentence they you'll take thing out of the PS3 version if it wont fit in the 360 version?

F*ck you Square.

EDIT: Oh yeah, this just occurred to me. Remember how they said that they were going to finish the PS3 version first, then port that over to the 360? Last time I check they were done with the PS3 version and yet what did we see at the Microsoft press conference?

Square is now blatantly lying to us...

Lets just hope that Tetsuya Nomura, director of FFv13, doesn't get evolved in this bullshit...

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[jack_burt0n]

spot on mate, SE are the old EA in my opinion ea have sorted out alot of their issues and dead space was just AAA but all their old bad habits are all over square enix.

[interrergator]

i beg to differ i have the japanese demo and its amazing

[bobbysagettwo]

You guys keep commenting on how they said "The team is targeting to create an equal experience on both the 360 and the PS3".

You keep insinuating that making 'an equal experience' will RESULT in a compromised PS3 version. But you guys are looking at it from the wrong perspective.

You keep thinking that the PS3, is the worlds best console, when clearly it is not.

WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS, the game will not be compromised on the 360, it will simply be on multiple disks. This means making the 360 version EQUAL to the PS3 version. So in this context, "creat[ing] an equal experience" means creating the experience on the 360 that is equal to the experience on the PS3. Not dumbing down either version to create an equal experience.
- If i say, i want to make my sand castle as big as your sand castle, do i build mine the same height as yours? or do i cut yours in half, so it is the same size as mine? learn to think logically.

The only reason you guys are confused by this comment, is because you are assuming that the PS3 is 'a trillion' times better than the 360. When in reality, The cell allows for additional shaders and, for all intensive purposes, that is about it. Not different shaders, just additional shaders.

If there were in fact any compromises. They would likely be due
to the PS3 version as it cannot handle AA, AF, HDR, texturing, and ambient texturing very well.

The only way the the 360 version would result in a compromise, is if they decided to abuse shaders, and add in additional unnecessary shaders. AI, and other script is not an limiting issue assuming they don't waste unnecessary resources BY ADDING said 'additional shaders'. (The incorporation of multiple disks rules out all other compromises).

So for the sake of this website, please expand your one-track mind.

[JD_Shadow]

Apparently you've been living under a damn ROCK during the past YEAR or so.

[thesummerofgeorge]

and then say they'll be making sure both versions are the same... If they're dead set on making them both the same they must be keeping the 360 in mind while building the PS3 version, they wouldn't logically do something on the PS3 they didn't think they could pull off on the 360. If they meant what they said, they'd say they'll make the PS3 version the way they want and then make the 360 version as close to it as they can. By committing to making them both the same it contradicts what they say. Committing to making the game identical on both systems has already compromised the game.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

"The team is targeting to create an equal experience on both the 360 and the PS3, so there are no limitations."

Its all written right there. They ARE gimping the PS3. In development, when you have the 360 in mind, you're already gimping it for the rest. Aside from the Wii, the 360 is the weakest hardware this gen.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

I Must agree with you guys.

There are things that the PS3 can do that the 360 cannot, many
things moving on the screen at once just to name one thing.

So no matter How many discs you have on the 360 It cannot
change the 360's Tech, That is Impossible.

So This means 1 of 2 things, 1. Both versions will be Gimped, or
2. One version will be better then the other.

This also means that SE Has to keep the 360 in mind when creating
the PS3's version, otherwise the 360's version will be gimped.

[JokesOnYou]

"The team is targeting to create an equal experience on both the 360 and the PS3, so there are no limitations. For example, right now we're working on the PS3 version first, and once we've completed that we'll really know how much game there will be to fit onto the Xbox 360 discs."

How in the hell would the ps3 version be "gimped" by the 360 version if their working on the ps3 version FIRST and then "porting" their already finished work over to 360? lmfao thats like saying a game that was ported from 360 to ps3 made the 360 version worst, lol....obviously they are far enough along on the ps3 version that they have at least started porting the game over to 360 some of which was shown at E3, so unless you're implying that Square would go back and downgrade the experience/gameplay/cutscenes etc that the have already created on the ps3 version then 360 dev has very little to do with the quality of the ps3 version, which is exactly why they are responding to the paranoid sony folks who think they are "compromising" the ps3 version, NO as they said they will use multiple 360 discs to get everything on the ps3 version to fit on the 360 version, so why would they have to cut any CGI/story from the ps3 version? Honestly, IF FF ends up sucking its simply because frankly SE failed to deliver, just like any other game exclusive or not that somehow didn't turn out as expected. I'm not a fan of the franchise but from what I hear some FF's were extremely good and others were medicore, so either way who's to say SE is not cooking up another dud this time? Hell many ps3 fans were acting like the game was going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread even when SE had announced long ago in 2007 they were utilizing their "multiplat" White engine for this game, lol all the BS hate didn't start until they announced it was coming to 360=

This is just SOUR GRAPES from ps extemists who are upset micro took one of their previously biggest exclusives.=

JOY

[Raz]

is fap-worthy fems, a lá Fran in FFXII.

Seriously, how hot was she? ..Virtually speaking. ^_^

So yeah - screw the stupid game. Gimme jiggle-physics! That's not much to ask, is it?

[cherrypie]

Of course the Xbox 360 wont comprimise the PS3 version.

Oh, you poor poor souls.

The Xbox 360 and the PS3 are "pretty equal". You know how I know this? Because the DAVE SHIPPY said so. Who is "David Shippy"? (and Mickie Phipps) "two leading figures in the design of the Cell at the Sony-Toshiba-IBM design center"

"But can Shippy's insight on both console's processors finally answer the age-old debate about which console is actually more powerful?

"I'm going to have to answer with an 'it depends,'" laughs Shippy, after a pause. "Again, they're completely different models. So in the PS3, you've got this Cell chip which has massive parallel processing power, the PowerPC core, multiple SPU cores… it's got a GPU that is, in the model here, processing more in the Cell chip and less in the GPU. So that's one processing paradigm -- a heterogeneous paradigm."

"With the Xbox 360, you've got more of a traditional multi-core system, and you've got three PowerPC cores, each of them having dual threads -- so you've got six threads running there, at least in the CPU. Six threads in Xbox 360, and eight or nine threads in the PS3 -- but then you've got to factor in the GPU," Shippy explains. "The GPU is highly sophisticated in the Xbox 360."

He concludes: "At the end of the day, when you put them all together, depending on the software, I think they're pretty equal, even though they're completely different processing models."

http://www.gamasutra.com/vi... ...

Sony **ALWAYS** over-promises. Remember the "Emotion Engine"? "4D"? STOP buying into Sony's marketing. Bottom Line: PS3 has a obscure and unproductive Dev Environment, that is why Multiplats are better on Xbox 360. If anything, the Xbox 360 version will suffer because the Devs will waste time ($) trying to get equal performance from the PS3.

@1.31 "There are things that the PS3 can do that the 360 cannot"

You poor poor soul. No amount of wishful thinking from the SDF makes your wish accurate.

[thesummerofgeorge]

Because they're obviously not going to do anything on the ps3 that they can't do on the 360, cause they committed to making them both identical. It's not for sure, but that's what one would be lead to believe, since they say they won't compromise one version, but then they guarantee the other version won't be different, that's rather contradictory. Anyway, I'm sure whatever I say will just enrage you either way. So fvck it.

[MEsoJD]

not just for the fact that its a ps3 exclusive but have you seen the characters in 13??? All but one (lightening) seem really dull.

In 13 it seems like a much deeper story with better characters. I'm still getting 13 because hey I love final fantasy. ^_^

[xTruthx]

Well the truth is they cant say otherwise or MS will rape them :)

[JD_Shadow]

@JOY

Yes, all of us were ASLEEP during the last year, and none of us caught SE lying to just about everyone they can without any remorse and without any lesson learned during that year. Why should we believe them NOW?

@cherrypie

So, are you getting paid by Dave Shippy every single damn time you bring him and his useless quote up? Because you seem willing to shove him AND that quote down our throats every time you get the chance. And you always mention it as if it's the very first time we've ever heard it and that you've said something about it.

Seriously, man, come up with a new argument (because it's not like no one has any counters for the quote, nor do they ever pay attention to the SDF line you label EVERYONE with. The latter is a reason you're at three bubbles and dropping right now).

[kevnb]

time will tell, but I dont think this gen will be much different.

[N4g_null]

Man it sure would be nice for SONy to make a JRPG that uses all of the cell power since you guys believe that Square is gimping their game for the xbox. I also wonder if any of you would be saying this if the game would have stayed on the PS3. So far I've played the demo and no one is out doing them right now not even crysis art wise. Tech wise well I've just played the demo and we all know FF doesn't really need that much tech to be a good game.

It seems like some of you are just mad that FF13 will not be the end game release that crushes the xbox 360. I understand most of you as a few of my friend have had the RROD and vow to never get any thing MS again.

There is one thing that I want to say about this HD console war. Games win contest like this not fans. SONY is starting to realize this yet I'm not sure they truly have the right type of creative heads working their right now. They have so much talent under them right now it is shame that all they are making is FPS and sims. The PS1 and 2 where not all about games like that.

I mean WOW square would really be putting them selves on the chopping block if some was to use all of this extra power in the PS3 for their own JRPG.d I wonder who could make such a game? Could the killzone 2 guys make a better engine for square to use?

Most of you seem to be alluding to the fact that you are wanting FMV in HD on the PS3 with FF13 rather than live graphics. That is what I'm seeing from your wording of the "some things that the xbox can not do" statements. Yet you do realize that the xbox can display blu ray content also, it has an ati card in it and yes ATI has drivers for blu ray content. I don't have a cell in my older PC but I do have an old 9800 and blu ray plays just fine on it.

You guys are forgetting the cell is great for sony because they don't have to pay Nvidia or ati for too much to make the cell but the problem is they still had to have the RSX in the PS3. Other wise we would see a lowr priced PS3 right now. Nvidia is bleeding sony and SONy's pride is hiding it. Other blu ray players are dirt cheap now and you can even get a rewritable drive for you PC for a good price now. If you guy remember Nvidia did the same thing to MS so did intel.

I'm curious what do you think the PS3 version will be missing? Is there any thing you can put your finger on?

Also you guys forget ports are not always made to be equal. A developer would love to make one version the ultimide version it makes things easier to sell. Like the PC port of this game should be pretty sweet just like all of the other PC ports from the consoles. For some reason developers tend to use that extra power when it really is there. Do you get what I'm saying? A little more physic here and a little more AI there is not seen by the gamers. A few more shader here or there is not really seen and that is about what every one is saying about these two systems. I mean devil may cry has like 30 guys fighting you and the shader effects fill the screen.

Also you've all played FF right what would these developers have to leave out if they made it on the xbox vs the PS3? Now if they had the almost unlimited hardware of the PC would they include these things?

The reason why I bring this up is we developers have to fight tooth and nail to make you pretty games that you believe are not holding up to the potential of your system. I'm here to tell you that type of thinking will make more developers leave your system. You have more people over detailing things just to get your approval yet they are killing their own designs. Most developers are not that lazy yet we do have limited resources, even on an HD game. HD modeling and texturing is very expensive and it would not be wasted on gimped ports.

Also you guys do know that the PS3 version is almost done yet is completely done engine wise. They are still making content like models and such. Also the Engine scale from the Wii all the way up to PCs. What is probably taking time now is asset creation and debugging in the different engines. What takes the longest to do with a game of this type is the light maps of the entire city.

If this game does not sell well then we may have witness the end of the PS era. Or better yet we may get the old Square back! HD gaming need more einhander 2!

[xjxdoggggystyle]

so stop with the..OH they will gimp it cuz of microsoft throwing them the bag of money..that excuse is old....just like the guy hyping up the sony version of ghost busters.....and we all saw how that turned out..ownage on the 360 ...on a game...that the ps3 was lead console...straight from the devs mouth....so i cant wait....for this game to go head to head..and when they say...360 version plays better/ looks better as all multi plat games do...ill sit back and watch the same excuses and sayings being thrown out there... such as...bags of money, lazy devs, UNCHARTED!!! KILLZONE!!!! RGB option isnt turned on on that ps3....its gimped bcuz 360 version ...ya know all the ones that are used daily in every article.... :)

[MegaMohsi]

Did any of us really expect SE to say something different?

[Scrooge McDuck]

My point exactly. Im pretty sure if they said ps3 with be better microsoft will sue for breaching the contract.

[chaosatom]

lol, agreed. Otherwise, they will bankrupt themselves.

[TheReaper42]

well i sure as heck wouldn't expect them to just say "Yes, we are building this game on the LOWEST common Denominator"

although they already admit it when they said "both version will be EQUAL"

[jessupj]

I think most of us, if not everyone, ps3 and 360 fans alike, know SE are just talking complete lies. We all know the game is def not going to be as good as it could be if it was still a ps3 exclusive. SE have just pissed my off jumping ship halfway through. Yes, making games is about money, but it's also about your passion for gaming. SE are just compromising anything they can to get a bit of extra profits.

I might sound like a butt hurt sony fan, but I hope SE fails miserably and goes under. Honestly, I'd rather this game have been exclusive for the 360 from the start so at least someone could have enjoyed a great game. But now both ps3 and 360 fans are going to be given a much more lackluster title all for the sack of money.

[Forrest Gump]

Hopefully a lot,because if an entire Chapter is cut from the game due to disc limitations on the Xbox 360,I would be very concerned about Square Enixs direction.

[Benjamin Bubba Blue]

Gumbo Shrimp, Saltwater shrimp, Cold water shrimp, White shrimp, Warm water shrimp

[THC CELL]

in other words
xbox is f"cked

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

"but but Blu-ray is needed for games"

[OmarJA]

Poor bots. :D

[commodore64]

whut?
I thought this was a ps3 exclusive?

[Man_of_the_year]

I don't get it?

How is xbox f'ed? There was no compromise to the PS3 version, and SE have already said that the games will be the same. So how is the xbox f'ed?

OHHHH i see now why you think that. Cause you are an ignorant angry Droid still upset that the 360 is getting a game that you thought not only was it going to be exclusive to the PS3 but that it was a game that would define what the PS3 can do and what the 360 can't...LOL you sorry A$$ pathetic Droid. I love it when douche's like yourself are so upset at things like this.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Yeah commodore64 this was a PS3 exclusive once, and droids all said it was never going to the 360, much like Metal Gear.

[joevfx]

metal gear didnt go to the 360. a Raiden game went to the 360. theres a big difference. It aint a metal gear game without snake.

[ultimolu]

Hey Jason, 360 fanboys still aren't getting MGS4. :D

And I'm pretty sure Versus will stay exclusive, unless Square wants to make a bigger fool of themselves.

[Gue1]

Wasn't Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon on 4 discs and some
early areas were restricted when you were later on the game? That's the whole point of having everything in only one disc.

So what you were saying again?

OMG so owned. LoL =)

Doesn't this sounds kinda strange?

Kitase: "So we don’t know how many discs it’ll be housed on for 360, but there won’t be a chance that we’ll compromise anything because, oh it didn’t fit in the 360 discs so we’ll have to take it out of the PS3 version, or vice versa."

[Man_of_the_year]

What do you mean "And I'm pretty sure Versus will stay exclusive, unless Square wants to make a bigger fool of themselves."?

How do they look like fools? SE thought that the PS3 would have a greater install base due to the install base of the PS2. Now they need to get their game out but won't see positive returns if they only released it on the PS3. So they went multiplatform. The same reason could be given for FF XIII VS. And its not like Vs is the anticipated game. FF XIII is the most anticipated FF game right now, don't fool yourself thinking FF XIII VS is the better of the 2 FF XIII games just because Vs is still exclusive.

@joevfx
Even though Snake is not going to be in the Raiden game means nothing. The Title is still MGS. So yes an MGS game is going to the 360. If it wasn't an MGS game, there wouldn't be a MGS in the title.

@Wiimaniac
LO had no restrictions, it was very linear and you didn't need to swap discs back and forth...unless you are talking about Blue Dragon, then you may be right since i have yet to play that game. And with the option to install all FF XIII discs on the HDD, i don't see too many issues. Atleast those that have a large enough HDD and available space...like me =)

[ultimolu]

Man_of_the_Year, no one knows how much Square will have to cut out to make the game equal on both consoles. If Versus ever goes multiplatform, it will be the same exact thing.

[Man_of_the_year]

Again what do you mean "no one knows how much Square will have to cut out to make the game equal on both consoles"?

How do you know that anything will be cut out? Your quote says that things will be cut out but nobody knows how much. Why do you think anything will be cut out? SE have said that both versions will be the same. Are you saying you know more about the game and the development of the game than SE does?

Or is your fanboyism/fangirlism clouding your mind. Are you one of the many PS3 idiots that are still really hurt over a GAME going multi-platform from a 3rd party developer?

Your comment is full of ignorance and assumtions yet you say it as if there was some kind of common knowledge that the 360 version is going to be the dumbed down version.

I am glad i have both consoles so that i do get the option to choose which console to get it for, but what are YOU going to do if like the other 90% of multi-plat games, the superior version is on the 360, dispite multiple disks?

[ultimolu]

Man_of_the_Year, you're an idiot.
Learn how to read. I said that no one knows how many disks the 360 version will be or if things have to be cut out. And you honestly believe Square? The same Square who claimed they would work on the PS3 version first and yet there was a demo at Microsoft's conference?

Good for you if you have both consoles. I don't care. Owning one console doesn't stop me from enjoying games.

And look who's f*cking talking about fanboyism? Says the guy who calls PS3 fans droids.

Get the hell out of here.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

That's all I heard from you.

Get over yourself.

[Amplitude]

To start, the 7.1 uncompressed PCM sound will be cut out of the 360 version - which is something practically all PS3 exclusives have had.
So, since the 360 doesn't have the disk space nor the hardware to decode uncompressed audio in real time, it will either be cut out of the PS3 version (in which case, the audio has been compromised), or PS3 owners will get a feature that 360 owners dont.
So, it's either the PS3 version will have better audio (compromised), or the 360 will - yet again - fvck up another multiplatform game due to their cheap POS hardware.

Seriously. The 360 has ruined "next-gen" gaming this year. Countless times, games are obviously toned down for the 360. Look at prototype for christ sake. Now look at inFAMOUS.
Anyway. Point is, no matter what, the uncompressed audio either will not be on either system, or will only be available on PS3.

[evilmonkey501]

So basically, this article says, well try and make em the same, but this game is maximized for the ps3 first and foremost. :) Uncompressed, multi-language and on one disc.

[user3915800]

Another title that has to be sacrificed due to sony PS3 inferior hardware and lack of buffer, frame rates, and mediocre visuals. I for one most said that sony should get out of the market once and for all, they are a worthless company that dont know anything about design, gaming, hardware, software nor reliability.
About the only thing they can do right its sucker up fanboys by the millions and its enough to keep a broken company going.
Sony sucks forever and there is no product worth buying from them except UMD LOL, WAIT THEY DONT MAKE THAT ANYMORE poor psp owners, go on and cry, tell some one about yuor broken feelings or suck your thumb and go to sleep since your panties most be wet by now.

[PirateThom]

I don't know where development of FFXII stands anymore.

First, they said 360 development wouldn't start until the PS3 version was finished.
Then, they had 360 English gameplay at E3 and that the 360 version was two months old.
Now, they're working on the PS3 version first?

I dunno, if the PS3 version is finished and localisation has already started, where's the game?

[SpoonyRedMage]

Well the parts they're working on on the 360 are already finished on the PS3.

You know even if FFXIII is ready to ship right now it still won't get released because if you haven't realised they've just released a new Kingdom Hearts and at the end of the summer they're releasing a new Dragon Quest. No way are they going to have their three biggest cash cows going to market at the same time! That's just common sense!

[vhero]

PS3 version is almost finished most probably but need localization as its due out in Japan long before its out over in US/Europe.

[Omega4]

They are probably saying that because the 360 version is already looking better than the PS3 version. Since both are being ported from the PC its only logical that thats whats going to happen.

[Why o why]

like all those other non glitchy RPGs the 360's had..........¬_¬ the ps3 iz doomdz and blu ray iznt needed i tell you!.....tigers love pepper

[peeps]

tbh ps3 fanboys going on about how it is bound to be better on ps3 are just as bad as 360 fanboys saying it will be better on 360.

Those pics make me wonder tbh but i guess they had to knock up the 360 footage in the last 2 months (see other article) so prob haven't had time to tweak the graphics, cus that screenshot looks really really bad. Can't believe the final product will be like that though surely?

[Omega4]

Exactly both builds look near identical the only key difference is one has been developed and optimized for the past 5 years while the other was made in just 2 months, just wait until the 360 versions is completed and then there will be a clear difference.

@Why o why
I would say SE has better programmers than Mistwalker and Tri-Ace

[Why dis]

LOL the fanboy posted direct feed demo footage of the PS3 version and compares it with with a off screen projector screen grab of the 360 version.

[peeps]

hard to say tbh. I'd presume that the ps3 version will be better because it's been their focus (only starting on the 360 version 2 months ago) meaning that the 360 version of the game will only have taken around a year if it's gonne meet the release date.... but they got to spend several years on the ps3 version.

but SE have had plenty of experience on the 360 and this will be their first on the ps3 (unless i'm missing something)

[xwabbit]

I dk if omega does it 4 the fun or because hes rlly blind lol

[lloyd_wonder]

Where did you get five years from? FFXIII was announced in 2006, and the PS3 demo build is from 08.

The 360 FFXIII is just a port. They won't spend five years on a port tweaking graphics. This is pretty representative of the final product if it's coming out next Spring.

[OmarJA]

Who you trying to convince ? your self ? LMAO!

[ultimolu]

No Omega, just no. -_-

[Why dis]

Dude he didn't have to post the e3 conference screen grab SE released a non press conference trailer of the 360 version on XBL a few days after E3

[KingKionic]

the xbox 360 version is looking good.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

why everyone fussing over it?

EDIT @ below

whos`s spinning? I said its looking good.

[lloyd_wonder]

SPIN SPIN SPIN

The 360 version is that dark, especially from the live feed GT video.

[Knightrid808]

I've been wondering that myself.

[peeps]

fair play to SE cus doesn't it cost a fair bit to have several discs. there some cost to it i remember id having a go regarding their game 'rage' being really big and meaning they'd have to use several discs on the 360 version

[mirroredderorrim]

I disagree, Omega.

They said both would look on par. While SquareEnix likes to lie, I think we should give them the benefit of the doubt, without resorting to "my console will get the best version!"

You're forgetting that the PS3 version has been in development for quite a long time, so I would think they need to tailor the 360 version to that finished product, not the other way around.

I have had my doubts in the past and find myself becoming a more sensible person. With that in mind, I THINK both games should look identical, with the usual nit-picking of a pixel here and a pixel there.

[Mike134nl]

Shouldn't they by now know how big the ps3 version is gonna be or at least have an estimation.

[peeps]

you would have thought so with the jap version releasing at the end of the year but i guess they do a lot of optimisation etc

[theonlylolking]

They should know.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

I Totally agree, they should already know.

I Smell Fish.

[Lets-Game]

if really think that ps3 version wont be effected in any way cause of xbox then ur blind. Cause it already did by delaying it for a yea or maybe longer.

[Ravage27]

do you really think he will admit that content will be cut?(assuming of course they are planning on doing that) And if it so truly happens,i doubt the truth will ever see the light of the day anyway

[PiTCHBLaCK]

One Indication of content being cut, 1 year later they come out
with DLC or FF13 TWO.

[Unicron]

I think what we really need to consider is... how much content will the game have/not have... not because of disc space, but because of development and resources. They've spent forever working on the engine/tools, and now they are split between two consoles. I can't help but think the content itself is going to suffer simply due to lack of development focus.

[SpoonyRedMage]

Will people just stop complaining! Seriously it's been a year now and you haven'y Fin stopped and it's the same people every damn time!

If you're not happy, just F off and don't get the game and you'll be the one who's missing out otherwise just SHUT UP!!!

[PistolPumptMonk]

Deep breaths.

[theonlylolking]

right now we're working on the PS3 version first, and once we've completed that we'll really know how much game there will be to fit onto the Xbox 360 discs. He does not know how many 360 Discs will be needed. The hint is discs so that means many discs will be there and he already knows it. So with the PS3 you install the game once and use 1 disc. 360 install that disc and change the disc and install that one. So you will have to install all of the disc and then you can play through all of them...OUCH.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

The 360 has to Install games to?, I Didn't know that.

[Persistantthug]

In fact, as I understand it, because of the Arcade version (no harddrive), MS has a policy forbidding ANY game with a mandatory install.

I remember hearing about some game developers complaining about it because DVD's are too small for their vision and muli disks costing more money in MS licensing fees.......I think it was John Carmack.

[KingKionic]

hope its 3-5 dvds.

[ShabzS]

should be 5 discs... about 35 gb

[kamuix]

Its been in development for two months and at E3 they already had a version for the 360 that was up to par as the ps3 version which has been in development for way longer? On an earlier article they stated that work wouldnt be done on the 360 version till the ps3 version was done. Then an article after that states that they've come far enough in the ps3 version to let some of the members of the development team begin work on the 360 version and now theyre back to saying after the ps3 version is done we will know what we can fit into the xbox version....Square needs to stop feeding its customers BS and stop catering to keeping fanboys happy

[ULTIMATE_REVENGE]

"Its been in development for two months and at E3 they already had a version for the 360 that was up to par as the ps3 version which has been in development for way longer?"

The playstation build was primarily developed on the Unreal Engine but then later Square decided to scrap that piece of $hit and make their own Crystal Engine (I think its called White). The Demo which was on sale couple of months ago was from an OLD build most likely from their Unreal Engine....

People were rightly becoming impatient so Square had to entice them for the mean while with a playable demo (all be it an old version) ....

[PiTCHBLaCK]

Yes it is called: The White Engine.

But what gets me is why have the 360 demo at E3 and
not the PS3's version?, I'd think they'd have the PS3
Version there rather then the 360's version.

I Love the FF Series, Played since SNES, but with all
of these miscomminications/Lies? and other behavior I Can't
help but to Smell Fish.

FF14, Sony said Exclusive, then SE Says oh Mis communication.
Really?, I'd think you'd be sure that your facts are accurate
before saying something about it to millions of people!.

Also to make a Game Exclusive, Isn't there also a written contract?

But we do know that FF13 WAS going to be exclusive to the PS3.

I Can't put my finger on it but something is fishy.

[unrealgamer58]

lmao of course it would'nt be compromised, it could'nt be with this many discs XD

[KingKionic]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Morituri]

Bubs to you man 4 dat!

[Kenshinhimurasz]

wow worst then MGS4, good luck keeping all the disk from getting lost or scratched... Nice picture btw who ever had it

[onanie]

LOL

[DarkSniper]

Final Fantasy XII has always shown it's true graphical prowess on the PLAYSTATION®3 Home Entertainment Terminal. Once Square begins to delve deeper into development, they will soon find out that Xbox 360 is simply not up to par in terms of delivering the exact same experience that PLAYSTATION®3 will bring.

This is because Xbox 360 is nothing more than the Xbox 1.5 a slight upgrade with less features than it's original debut console. To say that Final Fantasy XIII on Xbox 360 being a joke is an understatement. It's clearly just that damn pitiful.

Dark Sniper reiterates that the true Final Fantasy experience can only be found on PLAYSTATION®3. Only PS3 can give you the true bang for your buck and produce seamless gameplay on one disc.

Sorry Microslaves, but Dark Sniper would rather enjoy a complete version of a title rather than exercising more than a Wii Fit owner by changing discs.

$niper

[OmarJA]

I offer to you my respect Godfather, bubbles...

Watch & learn Zhuk.

[saimcheeda]

Long posts are supposed to make sense!!well said.

[-MD-]

Why must you copy Zhuk? Get some new material.

[robotnik]

Umbasa

[AuToFiRE]

Well said DarkSniper, well said

[air1]

microslaves?!

the irony this clown has. do you read the sh!t you write?

aawww look at all the little turtle followers.

[Foxgod]

Good to know, i am looking forward to this game, and to be able to ride the shiva sisters.

[WIIIS1]

Why would there be a compromise? One would have mandatory installs, one would require disc switching, that's all. Everything else will be about the same.

[MegaMohsi]

SE should make the install on the 360 mandatory as well so one disc could just be installation and the other be the actual game

[peeps]

only thing i could really see limiting it is the cost of having to use several dvd's rather than 1. the costs add up (see id's annoyance when developing Rage)

[PiTCHBLaCK]

Why Don't MS just go the Blue Ray route
and be done with these worries?

[rebirthofcaos]

yea right, before it was looking great but after it was announce as multiplat, it will be a final fantasy on rails.

[Socomer 1979]

You get what cha paid for.

[Counter Strike]

Im ansious to see how X360 will put Ps3 At a corner in this game...Sony fanboys are optmist but they will have a surprise...lool

[Forrest Gump]

Re-type that in English please.

[OmarJA]

Another idiot who can't type & spell...

I swear these guys are crawling everywhere in this site from nowhere.

[kamuix]

Seriously? I don't think it has as much to do with the graphical presentation of the game as much as content being left out. I think what most of the ps3 "fans" are saying is that the story or overall production value of the game will go down since they're not focusing on one platform. What I'm mad about is not the fact that its coming to xbox 360 but the fact that because of the deal Microsoft has made with Square, all of us in the west are going to have to wait till the 360 version is complete before we can play a localized version on ps3 even though Square themselves stated that the ps3 version will be done before the 360 version.

[Morituri]

One more for the ignore pile. Toodles.

[Counter Strike]

This game will be better in X360 for sure!

[OmarJA]

Yeah on 13 DVDs on a broken console & we already saw how bad the 360 version look.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Looks like pp is back..

He's the only one where i actually lose IQ reading his post's.

[saimcheeda]

of xbots 0 IQ!!im getting more proof day by day!

[ajlopo]

If they know how to compress data appropriately there should be no problems....Has anyone played Fallout??? (Main game has roughly 110 hours of gameplay if you do everything.)

[Counter Strike]

Not english so i dont care!

Noy my fault ur a dumb who cant understand my english , unlucky to you...

[mirroredderorrim]

Hey, man... why are you so negative?

[PistolPumptMonk]

You can tell he's negative?

[hitokiri]

This is good news for both consoles, but just hurry the f@c% up and release this game already, it's taking forever.

[devilhunterx]

finally the poor xbots can finally play some decent RPG.

[truegamer4life]

Actually, its the other way around. 360 has more rpg games then the PS3.

[Obama]

He said decent in which he is right since 360 has no exclusive jrpg that passes the 80 mark. (TOV not exclusive) VC alone has killed 360's jrpg lineup.

[ShabzS]

from most of the sony loyalists... both versions look the exactly same... it was a real smart move from square enix and microsofts part to show that demo on stage at e3.. and put some of the questions to rest... same with alan wake

[DragonWarrior_4]

my ps3 just took a crap on me just now, but I will have to say that with the ps3 version you can have bigger open worlds and not have to change disc to go from one part of the world to another. I hope it runs like FF7 did on the ps1 for the 360 version. Then I would have no issues. BTW, I cant wait to play WKC, God of War 3, The Last Guardian, and FF14 on my ps3 next year. Those are the best rpg's on any format. And yes God of War series is an rpg if you 360 dudes wanna call Infinite Undiscovery and Star Ocean 4 an rpg.

[maxcer]

"I cant wait to play WKC, God of War 3, The Last Guardian on my ps3 next year"

didn't you say that last year?

[Toku]

I find it hard to trust a developer that has a history of deceiving gamers. Does Last Remnant for the PS3 ring any bell?

[Socomer 1979]

When 360 kids play final fantasy and are on the 2nd or 3rd disc and the system malfunctions. I would be so mad. Fortunatly, 360 gamers havent been playing anything since november so the 360 should have some life in it left when final fantasy is out.

[slyrunner]

For people who say that the 360 has weak hardware,you guys are being a bunch of fan boys foreal,if you dont program or study the 360 hardware,then you are sounding stupid,the real advantage the ps3 has,(and really the Huge advantage it has) is space and processing speed(which i doubt they are using atleast 5 cores since its going to be on par with 360's inferior processor)Other than that,the only bad thing the 360 is seeing with this game is Disk,which i doubt its gonna be more than 4,or 5 at the most and the game "may" be dub down.but hey,who are we to tell. but yes,this game should for been a exclusive for either console (must likely ps3 with its past FF history on the system) so we can see the full potential of the finished product
Btw @ lloyd_wonder
was the 360 version on that photo a clear shot with a cam or hardware like faps or what not,if so,thats kindof disappointing,yet this is no surprise since the 360 version was a early addition to the project

[i3eyond the Circle]

People just need something to blame lol

Oh it's 360's fault.

Is it impossible to create a good multiplatform game now?

If it's not on Ps3 it won't work.

RE5, DMC4, Fallout3, say hi.

Only thing that would compromise the Ps3 version is the damn Ps3 itself like MANY other lead platform Ps3 games that are also on the 360.

What makes this so different?

One guy says the 360 version won't have Japanese voice over and now the Ps3 version is gimped?

Hypocrites :D

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I don't know of any games that have had PS3 as lead platform that look better on 360. 360 had got some better versions in the past because developers didn't bother themselves too much because of PS3's small install base. All multi-platform games now pretty much look alike now that PS3 has the install base for developers to feel it's worth the effort.

[i3eyond the Circle]

I Ain't Fraid of No Ghost

[KingKionic]

lol thats messed up...you mention ghostbusters.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[PistolPumptMonk]

Lets see, RE5 and DMC4 are both linear third person games where not a lot is going on at once and the environments are rather small. Fallout 3, while much larger and certainly more impressive, is a game set in a post-apocalyptic wasteland (aka not very nice to look at) with similar environments throughout and unimpressive character models/detail. Not to mention quite buggy.

Point being, all 3 of those games are great but they are certainly not the graphical showcases that FF games are expected to be. Try again.

[Counter Strike]

iTs a FACT!!

FACT!!

FACT!!

[Jecht]

Another member of the Warden family.

[PistolPumptMonk]

You'll see this guy in next year's Guinness book of World Records for most ignores in a one week period of time.

Good luck setting that record! You are making great pace! I will contribute in whatever way I can!

[Qui-Gon Jim]

I could imagine MS waving the multi-disc fees in order to accommodate SE.

[maxcer]

SE already commented on the desire to keep the number of discs as low as possible.

as for MS, they should waive that royalty for every game with more than one disc, but that's a pipe dream for us consumers and the developers who want more space

[PS360PCROCKS]

Well...if it's one blu ray it will be 3 DVD's. If it's a double layer, damn than were talking 4-5 discs. That's not so bad with the installs though, install discs 1-2, play through one uninstall it and install 3.

[PS360PCROCKS]

Um wtf are you people disagreeing with? a single layer BRD is 25 GB and a dual layer is 50gb AND A DVD IS 8.5 gb. 3 dvds = one single layer BRD. Dual layer BRD is 6 DVDs. Unless your disagreeing with the fact you can install it, which well than your just an idiot.

[Alex_Mexico]

In fact, the 360's DL DVDs hold only 7.5GBs per disc due to 1GB of piracy security data.

[Stryfeno2]

In conclusion, I will not need to buy a PS3 to enjoy a once was the PS3 exclusive FFXIII. :D

[ArcticWolfUK]

have fun playing it and thinking... 'i need a ps3 to play ffiv'

[badbond1]

YOU WILL BE BUYING THE INFERIOR VERSION WITH MULTIPLE DISC SWAPPING. LMAO!

[Chaoticsoulx]

"The team is targeting to create an equal experience on both the 360 and the PS3, so there are no limitations".

Am i the only one who reads that and says wtf? how is final fantasy on 5 disks exactly the same experience? why don't they come out and tell the truth for once.

i bet close to release they will say, well it seems final fantasy 13 fits on one dvd!! wouldn't you know it, it's like magical, we had no idea it would fit on one dvd, but don't worry people with blueray, you get japanese voices, yayyy! we were never lying from the start no, no, we just didn't know! it's crazy developing a game, you just never know what's going to happen!!! one second you are filling up an entire blueray disk, then poof, all if it's gone, and it's on one dvd, it's so magicall woww!!!

[Persistantthug]

:P

[Toku]

Guys, I found the rest of the quote.

"...right now we're working on the PS3 version first, and once we've completed that we'll really know how much game there will be to fit onto the Xbox 360 discs so we know how much we should downgrade the PS3 version so both versions will be equal."

[Stryfeno2]

"...right now we're working on the PS3 version first, and boy is it a pain in the arse and once we've completed that we can't wait to produce our dream on the easy to develop Xbox 360."

[KingKionic]

There will be no downgrade.

They both will be equal.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Kionic is right and like %99 of the time reality will make fools out of many on N4G.

So easy to make things up when you are future telling.

[ArcticWolfUK]

there wont be no downgrade on the ps3 version.

[Toku]

Yeah I know, I'm just having fun in the open section 'coz everyone here looks like they're having a grand time.

Anyway, regardless of whether FFXIII will get a downgrade or not, I'm sure the final product will be awesome.

Oh and I don't know where the reply button is. Sorry ^_^

[LTC]

Can 360 run Uncharted 2 no, GOW3 no, MGs4 no and so on. So if both versions are equal the PS3's full potential isn't being used. So ofcourse the PS3 version will be downgraded so it is made to look equal to the 360 version. Remember the best PS3 exclusives are a big leap ahead in graphics compared to 360 games.

SE are talking BS its as simple as that.

[divideby0]

good to see they used the PS3 for the front up platform, than they can figure how to make it work on the 360....dont matter because anyone who has both a PS3 and a 360 will be buying the PS3 version

[OGharryjoysticks]

The 360 crowd is happy because they get the game, and because they are happy it really shouldn't matter what would be different if there were differences between the 2 versions. The PS3 crowd knows there should be differences if there is any truth to the claim that the game was designed for PS3. Square Enix wants every gamer to think everybody gets the best regardless of platform, but in the end, I think it's going to be safe to say things aren't going to end up well for the PS3 crowd on this. Odds are the only winners on this end up being Microsoft and Square Enix...in that order.

[Pootangpie]

and all the sony fanboys like to blame it on MS well okey I can play that game to and bring up facts the people that made ghostbusters said the 360 version was holding back this is defintly BS because PS3 was the lead platform during development yet the 360 version looks better makes a whole lot of sense Mark randall also said that he choose the PS3 as lead for a Very simple reason: Ghostbusters is the property of Sony Pictures. what does that have to do with anything exactly so the real logic he screwed up and is trying to use this excuse to keep from looking like a Retard the same way the developers for Red faction said the 360 was maxed out because there games visuals look like ass the real truth is not only is the 360 easier to program for but it's hardware is more PC friendly where as the Cell was not orignally desinged for games and it has a weaker GPU so sony fanboys you can twist logic and bs and blame MS all you want the real truth PS3 hardware is equal to 360 and not the slightest bit more powerful at all

[UltimateIdiot911]

When the 360 have a game with the quality of Uncharted, then we talk.

[Cacic]

That's a great quote look at other games such as Far Cry 2 they want to make the console editions look equal so they compromise the quality of the PS3 edition. But as more games come out the PS3 version is superior and FFXIII should be no different.

[Spike47]

"Fact" is that we don't have an actual percentage for how many multiplatform games are better on the xbox360. "Fact" is that gamers don't give a flying f*ck. It is not something that makes such a huge difference in gameplay or anything. Besides, the best multiplatform games are good on both systems. (ex. Modern Warfare and GTA4)

[OGharryjoysticks]

Multiplatform games were better on 360 at the start because developers didn't know how to squeeze juice out of the PS3. Even now that some know how to code for PS3 it's more open ended because it's a process where you have to keep buiding on the programming to run more and more through the SPUs. It's like learning something new everyday.

Developers knew how to make games on 360 before it came out.

[Henry Cain]

It already has, here in the states we have to wait until the 360 version is finished before it comes out on the PS3.

[gamfreak]

BSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBSBS

[Darkshader]

SquareEnix better create atleast 50hrs of gameplay & atleast 15 cities to visit, bunch of side quest, lots of vehicle and airship to ride on, mini-games, sports games (like blitz in FFX).

I don't care if they need to put this game to 3 or 4 DVD's for Xbox owners. As long as the PS3 owners would have a great time playing this game.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

This game will reach 60 Hours playing time easy.
It's a Final Fantasy game.

[Jecht]

I think the PS3 version's delay can be used for this very reason too. Here's my reasoning. They complete the PS3 version, well before it's release date. They see how big the game is and know what will and won't work on the 360 version, so they pull up the PS3 version and cut what they can before the release date and no one will know about it. Sounds plausible to me.

[UltimateIdiot911]

Yeah, I think most of us with open eyes can see that. It's most PS3 owner's legitimate fear. It's actually very plausible that SE is doing that. Until someone on the inside of SE say it out front like how ex-Eidos employee said the DLC is actually made from cut content from the final game, we really won't know. But if recent trends tells us anything, SE is not to be trusted.

[Kenshinhimurasz]

If this is the case then a lot of fans are going to be disappointed, but they wouldn't know. What happen to developers who want to make the best game possible?

[Jecht]

I'm glad someone else thinks so to. SE so can't be trusted at all. I definitely wouldn't put this past them at all. I always found it to be a questionable business practice to delay profits in every other region for a year, but this makes perfect sense for the delay. After all, before it became Crystal Tools, which didn't happen until the November before last years E3, the White Engine was a PS3 game engine and FFXIII had at least 2 or 3 years in development time put into it. There really is no reason other than this to delay a game that, by all standards, should have been completed already. At least that's what I think.

[Valkyre]

Squarenix's word means nothing but UBER CRAP to me...

[Pootangpie]

it would probably easier as well because they don't have to worry about working on both platforms simutaniously but sony fanboys the 360 has nothing to do with the PS3 version being gimped if anything it's the developers themself and MS is not bribing them either so yeah cut the crap

[midlouisiana]

yall ps3 fanboys will find any kind way to talk sh!t about xbox360 why do u hate xbox360 so much? do u fear xbox360 is it beacuse xbox360 out selling u and keeps getting game from ps3 that appose to be exclusive only on ps3 like tekken,ffxiii,mgs4. how bout we take killzone 2 from ya o my bad u wouldnt like that huh thats only game yall worth taking and its not that good before u talk sh!t get the facts and out sell xbox360 lol

[Torkith]

since when was MGS4 on 360, god you're dumb.

[TheBlackSmoke]

Sooooo.. wait a sec, 360 didnt loose Bioshock, Ninja gaiden, lost planet, dead rising, oblivion, Tales of vesperia etc etc... hmm must be imagining things.

Facts is third party exclusivity is dead so let the first party do the talking.

PS3 = Uncharted 2, inFAMOUS , Killzone 2

360 = Halo odst, Halo wars, ninja blade (lmao)

[Lord_Ranos]

xbox is a joke get over it.

[saimcheeda]

MGS4 isnt coming to the 360!!Just saying any name means your a stupid bot and the rest has been explained by torkith

[badbond1]

you are related to hip hop gamer? You are an crapbot idiot. Get off the stage. You have been playing with the wrong system for far too long buddy!

[supersonicsaga]

Just imagine if they announce Kingdom Hearts 3, on any platform. People will complain. *Crosses fingers for PS3 version-maybe ps360*

[Crystallis]

What do you expect SE to say ? Something like this-"yes the 360 is and will hinder the ps3 version. Im sad to say we were not able to use the full potential of the cell processor b/c the 360 held us back. There for we can not release one console game superior to the other and will release both games identical. Sorry we made a mistake in taking MS $$$$"

The game will have noticable difference if SE likes it or not. I'm just sad at what FFXIII could of been. When Versus is released notice the huge difference in detail and graphics, and then come back to me and say FFXIII was not gimped b/c of the 360.

[Kenshinhimurasz]

On the demo version of FFXIII i have already notice some low texture issues, mostly on shadows and hair. Lightnings hair is filled with pixels and the shadows on the character models are low res. I hope they do correct and fix the problem because it really looks bad. Cinematic on the other hand are hand down the best, in-game not so much.

[PiTCHBLaCK]

""What do you expect SE to say ? Something like this-"yes the 360 is and will hinder the ps3 version. Im sad to say we were not able to use the full potential of the cell processor b/c the 360 held us back. There for we can not release one console game superior to the other and will release both games identical. Sorry we made a mistake in taking MS $$$$""

No, Actually SE didn't have to saying anything about this at all.
They chose to. Sometimes It's best to not say anything at all.

[Barragan]

the game WILL be compromised since they just had to make a multiplatform engine, i wouldnt probably care if ff13 went to 360 if they were two separate projects each game made separately on an engine for ps3 and one for 360, cause this is NOT the white engine, not the original

[Barragan]

was bringing ff13 to 360, now wait before you report me, but let me explain

first of all they made a group of people very mad by making the game multiplat to the rival machine that shouldve never seen the game that they hyped that was only possible on ps3 and will maximize the power of ps3, and that is DEFINATELY only for ps3 and putting it all of a sudden on 360 cause of good check amounts

but in return what they got is a bunch of happy 360 fans that really dont care about the game, but are happy that they have one last bomb that they new was basically a nuclear weapon, that microsoft probably was targeting either back in e3 2005 or since ff12 was announced and just begging and begging and making offer after offer to square enix, until finally the offers got entirely toooooooooooo big and they couldnt resist and they just broke and made the game for 360 dropping all reguards for making the best looking and performing game possible.

now the big hit here to square enix is, they have probably lost a ton of support from sony, the playstation fanbase, and have taken a microsoft fanbase, that really probably doesnt even care about the game and wont even buy it

scenario is this:

mad sony fans=real source of game sales WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY down

happy 360 fans=not many sales, but still happy cause this game wont have the serious impact it wouldve had

microsoft has been trying to pick off the nuclear weapons of sony this gen, and have done well with about 3 of em, anyone that thinks msoft didnt bribe developers, ask yourself how 3 major playstation "loyal" developers somehow made multiplatform games this gen, such as square enix, capcom with dmc, and rockstar with gta (although they made a comeback with AGENT) square enix could still come back with there new secret project for ps3 one goal strike revealed in words at last years e3, but ask yourself that question?

and really dont take this as firing at 360 or another platform, its just truthfull and eye opening scenarios that need to be said

[Henry Cain]

I agree with you. Every game that Square has made for the 360 this gen has sold well under par. 360 fans for the most part don't care for jrpg. I think this may happen with MGS Rising as well. Which is why Hideo only gave them a spin-off of the series.

[Kenshinhimurasz]

I don't know why SE would make a Xbox 360 version, the manufacturing cost would be high for the 360 version compared to the cost of the PS3. That was one of the reason MSG4 wasn't ported. I bought a ps3 for FFXIII and for other great games too. Most PS2 owners are now PS3 owners and PS2 had a lot of RPG fans and for SE to not make game for the PS3 is pretty stupid. PS3 doesn't have that much RPG, so I'm pretty much buying every single RPG that comes out...

I would have to disagree with you Henry Cain, MGS Rising is going to sell. Its not a RPG its going to be a stealth action game, not like MGS4 but more DMC/NG related imo.

[MajestieBeast]

Why wouldnt that surprise me if they cut content so the games are equal. Ever since that fatpig wada went for the western market square enix is just failing with making quality titles that are worth the money. Only games actually being good Dragonquest 8,Twewy,FF disidia and ff7 crisis core 1 was made by lvl 5 so se just supervised and the rest are handheld titles they have become a absolute joke rehash after rehash and more rehash that arent worth a penny felt so ripped off by chrono trigger ds that i wanted my money back. Where was the quality both companys use to have has it all just dissapeared in thin air or did Hironobu take it with him?

[TheTruth89]

The 360 version will have compressed texture and audio... so the best expierence will be only on the Sony Playstation 3.

Also, i bet my balls that 360 version will have AT LEAST 783 DISCS.

Hey xbot, when you'll go out for buying the game its better if you call a truck.

[PStu'rd]

I bet my ass that the average Sfag weighs about 783 tons seeing how disgusted they are about the idea of changing disks.

Hey Sfag, when you try to get up from the couch do you need to call a crane?

[bjornbear]

I mean...what do they mean compromise? =O Why would it? why should it? Do SE know something we don't? Hummmmmmm.....*ponders*

[PStu'rd]

Why cant Sfags just give up and join the supperior green side??? Even effin sony caved and showed a FFXIII trailer during e3.

Your company of choice is advertising 360 games sfags and youre still typing embarrassingly immature posts on N4G.......

[Quadrix]

I think it'd be smarter to work on the 360 version first, loading it with as much content as possibly, then move it to a Blu-Ray disk, with the obligatory testing in between.

[THC CELL]

Jason xbox is getting metal gear R

lol i dont think it will look as good as the epic metal gear solid 4 now

Ohh and MS can do nothing but copy ps3 (EYETOY) (GAMES)

But its ok
you enjoy ur games
and pedo simulator (Project N)

x box claim they have done something new
hello eye toy

Fools man

you have nothing
xbox pulled a killzone stunt
now they have to deliver

wont shock me if eye pet is a million times better than xbox pedo project

telling u now even Rock star games are even fed up of Microsoft
wont be long before we see developers switch platforms

agent will prove all

xbox is out of date now and worthless to developers who want to go that bit more on consoles

there is no xbox game that has come close to the under rated Uncharted
nor killzone nor any other ps3 exclusive

lol and they think they have a 1 up with there new webcam toy
pff

i will put money on it now developers will try and lose intrest
were the ps3 motion will play a big part in exclusive new games and features

[Dave2009]

Since Ghostbusters is far superior on the 360 i guess this means that Final Fantasy XIII is going to be far superior on 360 too.

[Expy]

Hopefully it won't scratch one of your discs when you're swapping them... Or just dies, from... who knows what?!

[Pootangpie]

I mean it's so far off it might not even come out till next gen heck they only thing they have shown is CG cutscenes for all I know and heck there is even rumor it's going to 360 as well so yeah you can start the *****/Gimp hissy fit when we exactly see footage but the real thing is it's not gimped they look pretty much identical and besides 360 is actually better at handling ports from the PS3 then the PS3 actually getting ports from the 360

[Kenshinhimurasz]

Actually they do have in-game footage but not actual gameplay. The trailer from the FFXIII demo. We just have to wait for the game to come out, which will be another 1-2 years based on where they are at now.

[Socomer 1979]

Now how in the world is some young kid from louisiana gonna afford a ps3? seriously, you aint got no money and you just traded all your older brothers gameboy games to get a xbox360 cause he's locked up right now. you talking about ps3 need to outsell something. i dont see microsoft sending some broke kid from louisiana charity money. ha ha ha get lost and get a hdtv. maybe you could find somebodies house to rob thats better than the shack you live in.

sheesh, muthafckas from the south get on my last nerve.
you simple minded lazy yuck mouth.

P.S.
you smell like a Xbutt already.

[TheBlackSmoke]

Soulja boy tell em

[Barragan]

just dont talk about LA, des my region

[badbond1]

racist!

[saimcheeda]

sounding like a racist?I dont see anything wrong

[Shane Kim]

What a shame. This game could be so much better if it only harnessed the full potential of the PS3.

[ArcticWolfUK]

bubbles to you sir

i agree

[Expy]

Already compromised if they don't support dual audio tracks.

[Silber]

Yes i think you are right. Non-Dualaudi is ....
But i Think they will give it for free as a download, as Fable have done this before.

[Silber]

What do you all have with "Square Enix is a Lying, because they hold back the PS3 Version of Final Fantasy conversion to Xbox"

The main Reason of the Delay is the Translation of this Game. Remember Final Fantasy 7 to 12? Up to one year has passed before it comes to us, specially in Europe sometimes it takes over one year. The six Month now are Peanuts. This Time they want to translate it into many different Languages in this time, and not only english as in FF before. We can be happy that it will come out in spring 2010.

the 360 Developement have begun already because FF13 is nearly done and only takes finetuning now. There is no need of the full Team on this.

[ipe]

of course they ll say ey re equal.Guess, saying 360 or ps3 version ll lack somethin can affect SALES(most impportant thing 4 se)

so get over this sh!t and play some games

[Darrius Cole]

This is pure pimp game. The compromising of the PS3 FXIII is already happening; it's implicit in their underlying approach to the game. He said and I quote,

"The team is targeting to create an equal experience on both the 360 and the PS3, so there are no limitations."

That like saying, "I wouldn't hit you if I didn't love you." The sheer fact that they set out to create an equal experience on both systems means that they are compromising. There is not way around it. If they honestly made no consideration of the 360, then they would end up doing something in the PS3 version that they could not replicate in the 360 version. Considering the possibility of doing something that the other system can't do and eliminating that possibility is the definition of compromising and the definition of creating equal experiences on both system. They are one in the same.

To me it looks as though they need Japan to believe that FFXIII is not a 360 game being disguised as a multiplat, just as 90% of multiplat games are.

I believe that FFXIII will be basically the same as the rest of the top-tier multi-platform games, good looking but compromised and clearly inferior to the top-tier PS3 exclusives. It will still be a good game, because story telling is the most important part of a game. But to say that there will be no compromise is just BS pure and simple.

[CaulkSlap]

Of course its compromised. As soon as it was decided to make it a multiplat the quality was compromised. Didn't they even completely dump the PS3 specific white engine they were developing for it? They've designed the game around both set of hardware so it will lose the benefits of either.

[ico92]

well i did hear RUMORS that square enix might water down the 360 version .....most likely BS

[A LIVING LEGEND]

12 discs and inferior in all aspects.
This argument,rather 'debate' grows tiresome.The only thing being compromised is common sense.This notion that the PS3 version is or will be somehow held back due to the 360 is an escape clause.
The PS3 has seen it's share of 'compromises' as well and they are not attributable to 'multiple discs' or 'less powerful hardware' or 'Microsofts diabolical machinations'.
The 360 isn't my preferred console but it isn't going to compromise anything,including my enjoyment of FF13.Square is fully responsible for that end of the bargain,Square alone.

[ArcticWolfUK]

they better not be compromising!!!, i want a ps3 game not a dumbed down version so the 360 can handle!

glad ffiv aint on the sh!tbox

[Barragan]

360 is definately less powerful hardware, anyone that cant tell that by now is completely delusional

[Ron Zook]

discs - plural meaning more than one? lol! fail.

[donnie-2105]

the ONLY advantage the ps3 has is blu ray space for the lengthy cut scenes the rest of the graphics will be equal or better on the dev freindly 360 as the past has shown us.even when ps3 is lead platform it usualy shows a performance hit compared to the xbox ie mirrors edge,deadspace etc..plus the new tekken is also rumored to be better looking on 360 and its based on ps3 arcade unit for christ sakes.

[Barragan]

all those last gen graphics games could look better on 360 and ps3 is done no justice by them, but games with visuals like that, the developer already said that the two games will be basically completely different maximizing the ps3 version and 360 versions to there own expertise, the ps3 has many expertises that can be used, but this isnt a game that will be judged as all the other multiplat, its more along the lines of exclusive vs exclusive, in which ps3 ALWAYS wins

[A LIVING LEGEND]

You may have misunderstood the point I was attempting to convey;
Power is of little import as opposed to the hand that wields it.
If I acknowledge that the PS3 is more 'powerful' does that in any way improve my situation or anyone else's for that matter?
If I label the 360 as inferior or lesser will my initiation be complete?
Honestly I don't subscribe to the 'power' school of thought,I follow the 'how do we best utilize what power we have'? philosophy.
You may be right and I might not be but opinions.....entitlement as it were.I am patiently awaiting the games release and that is all,owning a different or more powerful console wouldn't change that fact.=)
Multiple discs=fail? their are numerous exceptions to that rule.

[onanie]

It was quite easy to infer from barragan's statement that if the 360 is indeed inferior, and that square enix will try to equalise the two versions, then the game will have been compromised.

Maybe you should do a little more thinking next time.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

Thanks for the hot tip,clarity is elusive.
Comprehension is a fleeting thing,I am sure you are well aware of that already though.

[onanie]

Hmmm, elusive indeed, especially when you write like that. If you are saying that i misunderstood you (and if that is really the case), then I apologise.

I did gather you do not subscribe to the "notion that the PS3 version is or will be somehow held back due to the 360". You cite PS3's poor multiplatform performance despite its advantages, from which you infer that the blame rests solely on developer's capacity. However, if the developer is indeed very capable, would the hardware (the inferior one) not be the limiting factor then?

As for who is responsible for PS3 users' frustrations (setting aside hardware discussions), you argue that "Square is fully responsible for that end of the bargain,Square alone". But if it were not for SE's commitment to develop for 360, wouldn't PS3 owners have received this game sooner? If it were not for Microsoft's persuasiveness (i.e. cash), would SE have committed to making sure that the PS3 version is as late as the 360 one?

Maybe u intended to make it a philosophical discussion about "responsibility"?

As for the futility of lamenting the situation - well, everyone likes to complain every now and then, and your version of it is no exception :)

[Nikuma]

I'm sure this game will be fairly equal and not dumbed down for either console so long as they use as many discs as needed for the 360 version.

[UltimateIdiot911]

Too late. The moment it was decided that it was going to be multiplatform, it's officially dumb down unless it was never up there to begin with if that is what you are implying.

As many exclusives have demonstrated, no multiplatform titles can match qualities like Uncharted/2, Killzone 2, MGS4, etc.

[Silber]

Have you ever thought about, that Square wanted to make FF13 as Mulitplatform from the beginning? They woud not create the White Engine (Crystal Tools) wich runs on PS3 and 360, just for fun. They wanted to go Multiplat form the beginning - Just my opinion.

[AriesFury]

So what you are saying that the previous years at E3 saying that FFXIII was a PS3 exclusive was just a joke? The trailer at the end saying PS3 Exclusive was all made up? Someone Photoshopped those words there right before the show.

Give me a break.

[singlestrike]

Are you insinuating that the PS3's highly superior processing (PROCESSING, for additional emphasis) power allows for only additional shaders? My dear, processing power is used for processing. That means calculations, which means math. Math = amount of on-screen effects, shaders, various background processes, etc.

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Anyway, whether the game will be compromised or not is something that none of us really know. If we feel the game is Square Enix quality, isn't that enough? Who really cares if one console could have more "shaders" while the other has sharper textures? I doubt it will really matter when you are drooling over some awesome Japanese animation of female anatomy. They're good at what they do, so let's trust them to do what they have always done, and that is deliver.

[wit]

I do not own 360, but I think ffxiii coming to 360 is a good thing for all of us who love rpg games.
It may entice some 360 owners who may have expose to only fps games to try. For anyone who never really plays rpg game before, wouldn't ff game be one of the best to try? If he or she likes ff, then there is a good chance that they would be willing to try on some other rpg games. The more people get to play this type of game, the chance that rpg market will get bigger. The result would be more quality rpg games for us.

[AriesFury]

I don't give a SH*T about FFXIII anymore. Give me FF vs XIII instead.

[xg-ei8ht]

What your saying does make sense, but you know what square love to do and that is CGI cutscenes.

They've always done things that way.

Naughty dog's are in game.

I couldn't careless tbh, as long as the story is good and the game plays well.

[A LIVING LEGEND]

You reply with an intelligent,thought provoking response that has some credible and interesting points.A welcome change from the common rhetoric that plagues this site.
Some of the multi-plat efforts on the PS3 have been less than stellar,I blame the devs mainly.You assert that hardware limitations at the other end may factor heavily(my understanding).I cannot ignore that possibility but I can't confirm it either.
Square's latest efforts have really irritated me,so much in fact that FF13 NEEDS to be memorable or I may completely denounce them.Perhaps my bitterness has blinded me somewhat,I can accept that perspective.
I am trying to remain optimistic,its all I have left lol.

[onanie]

I don't think I deserve that praise, especially for my earlier combativeness towards you. Thank you anyway.

But I agree, no one knows for sure how much greater FF13 could be without those limitations.

[josephayal]

IN MY OPINION THE 360 IS THE WORST CONSOLE EVER MADE IN HUMAN HISTORY. RROD,GRAPHICS LIMITATIONS,HD DVD IS JUNK, CANT HANDLE MGS4 ENGINE,ETC ETC ETC

[Silber]

Oh that was a very useful and qualifying comment... Maybe you shoud not yell around like this, because your lung will hop out and eat all our brains, so that yours non existing can be replaced...

[cellfluid]

i hope u guys r not considering trusting these traitors!!! these guys r only loyal 2 the devil a.k.a. money... need i remind u on the past events, raise your awareness n don't paralyse ya judgement, if u do, u drown n ya own ignorance!!!! there will b compromising n short cuttsss taken,but we the buyers don't have 2 tolerate this, we the gamers have a choice, life goes on without ffxlll... f em all, those boy george look a likes..

[Demon5500]

Well you ps3 guys need to start stressing out, Those blue xbox360 Dev kits do things a lot different when making games, And Sony wont have games like uncharted much longer to blow you away with, Microsoft will have the best looking games this gen, I cant wait for you guys to see what is coming and I ant no Fanboy or Xbot I have both consoles and so should all of you. I also think squire have some new tech from Microsoft which should see games On one disk for along time to come. ;)

[Enigma_2099]

... so when he starts attacking the PS3, it's got NOTHING to do with fanboyism!

Seriously, how many times did you lie to yourself before you started to believe it?

[Enigma_2099]

"The team is targeting to create an equal experience on both the 360 and the PS3, so there are no limitations. For example, right now we're working on the PS3 version first, and once we've completed that we'll really know how much game there will be to fit onto the Xbox 360 discs."

Here, I'll point it out for you... DISCS.

If they're gonna do the PS3 version first, then determine the space they'll need to put it on the 360, that's pretty much what I expected. At least they're honest about that.

... and let's be honest... swapping discs ain't all THAT bad. I bet there are many of you that would swap FF VII discs out even today.

Althought PS3 owners may not have to worry about that.

[Claudinho69]

keywords: targeting, discs

[BlackToothGrin]

except for some of the magic effects, most notably the ice affects. To me they don't impress. But the rest is looking nice.

With that said, i think this may be the first time FF doesn't sell based on the name alone. i'll be waiting for the reviews this time around (usually preorder most things FF)

[Thoreau]

lies...............nothing else to say about it.

[nitcorp1]

sony fanboyz please stop the ps3 the cell chip failed long before it was put in a playstation 3

heres why read

Steve Jobs Not Impressed with the Cell Processor
By: César A. Berardini - "Cesar" Share This ArticleJun. 13th, 2005 10:06 am In an editorial titled “What's Really Behind the Apple-Intel Alliance”, the New York Times has revealed that at one time Apple considered the Cell processor as an alternative to the existing PowerPC roadmap.

An executive close to Sony told the newspaper that Steve Jobs met in California with the CEO of Sony at that time, Nobuyuki Idei, and Ken Kutaragi, the so called “father of the PlayStation”.

Mr. Kutaragi tried to interest Mr. Jobs in adopting the Cell chip, which is being developed by I.B.M. for use in the coming PlayStation 3, in exchange for access to certain Sony technologies. Mr. Jobs rejected the idea, telling Mr. Kutaragi that he was disappointed with the Cell design, which he believes will be even less effective than the PowerPC.

As we reported last week, Apple announced at its Worldwide Developer Conference that it is ending its partnership with IBM and instead plans to start using Intel processors by this time next year.

If you ask us, we believe Apple is going into a direct clash with Microsoft and Sony for the battle of the digital living room. We believe that’s the true reason of their switch to Intel (x86 architecture) technology.

The new Apple hardware with Intel processors would finally allow users to buy one single computer and run Windows and all its programs on the same hardware they run Mac OS X. At the same time, it won’t be possible do that on a standard PC because Apple doesn’t plan to make their OS compatible with all x86 computers; a direct hit to Dell, HP and other PC makers.

After the tremendous success of the iPod, Apple has positioned its brand at the same level of any consumer electronic maker such as Sony and any other worldwide recognized company like Microsoft or Hewlett Packard.

There are rumors Apple is working on its next step to conquer the world and do for movies and the film industry the same thing it did for the music industry with the iPod and the iTunes. To read more about that and learn about what could be the true reason for Apple’s switch to Intel, we recommend you this editorial by Leander Kahney of Wired News.

[keysy420]

so we wont be getting ground breaking new visuals fomr x111 thanks square. when it was exclusive everyone just knew this would rival killzone graphic metal gear graphic etc games that set the bar. since the game has been announced multiplat you haven't heard any talk about the graphics ( damn you square damn you ) the good thing this isnt a exclusive to 360 (whew!!! square could have retired as a company) I love square but your 360 games are sh1t camparable to wii shovelware

[keysy420]

socmer you sound racist, not cool i think xbots think on a 6th grade level too. but that has nothing to do on where you live,race, sex. Some people are just dumb look a George Bush jr. Some people are comedy just be glad you aren't them cause they really miss out on simple things.

[keysy420]

check this out i just thought of this what is you can use both motion controllers and the regular remote in game play. you could bt playing a game quick switch to you motion controls and start blade swinging that would be hot

[I-SEE-YOU]

LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.

YOU REALLY THINK THAT SQUARE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE GAME ON THE PS3 THEN MOVE OVER TO THE 360!?

WHAT GOOD IS THAT.....IF THEY MAKE THE GAME ON THE PS3 FIRST THEN ITS OBVIOUS THAT ALL THE DATA WILL 'NOT' BE ABLE TO BE TRANSFERRED ONTO ONE DISC FOR THE 360 NOW CAN IT! AS WE ALL KNOW THE SIZE DIFFERENCE IN THE DISCS.

LOOK AT IT THIS WAY, THEY CREATE THE GAME FOR BOTH. WHAT THEY CANT ACHIEVE ON THE 360 WONT BE CARRIED OVER TO THE PS3 VERSION EITHER AS THEN MICROSOFT WOULD START COMPLAINING OVER EXTRA CONTENT. THINK ABOUT IT!

MICROSOFT HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FROM THE START AND THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO IF PEOPLE KEEP ON BEING IGNORANT. EVERY GAME THAT IS RELEASED FOR THE PS3 (MULTI) WILL BE EFFECTED. JUST LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE IN GRAPHICS AND GAMEPLAY LONGEVITY WHEN A GAME IS MADE EXCLUSIVE ON THE PS3!?

IT ANNOYS ME, ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH CONSOLES AS I OWN BOTH. ITS ABOUT ONE CHILDISH COMPANY (MICROSOFT) KEEPING THE GAMING INDUSTRY BEHIND TIMES WITH THEIR BULLSH*T.

LOOK, MICROSOFT LIVE OF COD GAMES. HAVE THEY IMPROVED? HAD GEARS IMPROVED? HAS HALO IMPROVED? HAS ANY OF THESE GAMES GOT THE SAME SHINE AS UNCHARTED GAMES? KILLZONE? LBP? MGS4? ANY OF THESE GAMES SHOW YOU THE HUGE DIFFERENCE. JUST BECAUSE MICROSOFT DON'T WANT TO STATE THAT THEIR CONSOLE NEEDS TO BE DITCHED AND DESIGNED AGAIN. BUT I AM SURE YOU WILL ALL LOVE THE NEW GIMMICKY SOFTWARE TO GO WITH THE 360. THAT SHOULD LAST YOU ANOTHER 2 YEARS OF REPETITIVE ACTIVITIES AND SUBSCRIPTION FEES.

[Cueil]

The pure amount of ignorance here is mind blowing. Maybe I can spell it out for you. The engine isn't proprietary meaning that it was never going to be able to utilize the PS3 on the same level as Killzone 2 or Drake's. The game is being build on the PS3 as a lead platform. Once the game was far enough along they could branch off a small group of poeple to start porting the game over to the 360. The PS3 version will be done in a matter of months while the 360 version is likely not going to be done till the beginning of next year maybe even the second quarter. Also the start of the 360 version means that they are starting the US and European version now since the 360 isn't getting a Japanese release(allegedly). So with a PS3 version done well before the 360 version is they will simply port over the rest of the art assets to the 360 on the already optimized engine. Microsoft is probably waving the multi disc fee altogether for SE. The PS3 isn't some magical console that has the ability to create games on a level far above the 360 and if you still cling to that for life then you need to let go and join the rest of us in multi platform nirvana