The PS3's Full Potential: A Breakdown

The Power Review: It has been long rumored that developers have not been taking full advantage of the Playstation 3's extra capabilities, but is there any proof of this? Many gamers and press say that there isn't any proof that the Playstation 3 has more capabilities than the 360. However, there have been slight hints that the PS3 does have a little more power than the 360. If you look at the top graphical games in certain genres that are comparable, but the PS3 games leads the way with its exclusives versus 360 exclusives and even compared to multiplatform games

[manwich25]

On the count of 3 let the trolling begin.

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[UNCyrus]

the sad thing is... it's not even a fanboy article... it's a breakdown of resolution and framerate stats on various titles...

but nevertheless, there is going to be trolling

[50CALheadshot]

He makes good points, but these articles mean s#it regardless of being pro or anti ps3.

PS3 exclusives speak for themselves. Sony's actions speak for themselves:

Provide PREMIER next gen content not available anywhere else.

Isnt that what we as gamers want anyway? Were playing titles previously labeled "NOT CAPABLE ON CONSOLES"......haterz are stuck playing sales.

[thebudgetgamer]

blah blah blah. something unintelligible. technical jargon but i dont know nothing. so shut up cause you dont know what youre talking about.

:)

[marinelife9]

Hence the reason why I don't buy any third party games. If the developer didn't take care to make it the best it could be then I'll give my money to a developer who did.

[JeffGUNZ]

I really don't think anyone is dumb enough to actually think that there is no difference in graphics. It's obvious that the PS3 has the capabilities to produce better graphics. It's clear that KZ2 is the best graphics I have ever seen on a console. The PS3 is suppose to have the best graphics, hence it's better hardware/tech. I was hoping this article would prove more than just graphics and show more capabilities of the PS3 that we haven't seen yet or should expect to see. I purchased a 360 this generation and I have no remorse at all. But come on people, the PS3 is the superior console in graphics. Also, why was this article posted in the 360 section? Who cares if it compares 360 graphics, this is mainly a PS3 related article. N4G come on, stop promoting fanboy wars.

[Gue1]

Well @Le Chance, I don't know what games have you been seeing but inFamous does look miles away better than GTA4...

[ultimolu]

La Chance, are you seriously comparing Infamous with GTAIV?

Are you seriously kidding me?

Maybe you can provide some evidence that shows you know what the hell you're talking about?

EDIT: YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

[Chuk_Chuk]

because this is sucker punches first game on the PS3 and still on the start of the learning curve.

I have not been watching to many infamous vids (got examscoming and need to conecntrate) so don't know how well the graphics look but will compare them as soon as i start watching them

[Hallucinate]

gta 4 looks like crap maybe the most overrated game graphics wise with a sub par fps infamous on the other hand looks about average but with constant sezuire size lights with out a sing frame drop...so uh yea infamous did outdo gta4

[JD_Shadow]

1. GTA4 was dumbed down on the 360 to be put onto one disc, and because MS demanded that they get the same quality game as the PS3 version would have...
2. How can you KNOW how Infamous works if it isn't even OUT yet? It releases (officially) on the 26th.
3. Wait...so you're saying you even OWN a PS3 and can legitimately MAKE those claims?

Oh, and the reason you're not getting any of the "fanboy" crowd: they ignore you. Reading what I'm responding to, I don't think I have to ask WHY!

EDIT@below: Obviously you never read any of the answers (either that or you didn't like any of them), and you were trying to get people to respond so you could berate them and call them fanboys. You whined because no one was answering you, yet you are whining because you got the answers you got. PICK ONE! YOU were the one wanting us "fanboys" (using the term YOU gave, which you give to anyone who doesn't agree with you) to answer you so promptly.

Oh, and again, how do you KNOW that Infamous won't if you never PLAYED it yet? We never said that GTA4 was crap. We're saying that it wasn't what it could've been because of MS wanting to have their way. Of course, YOU counter with "With no 360 holding it back Infamous should look AT LEAST twice as good and be twice as big as GTA4.AT LEAST...That obviously will not be the case." Again, if you haven't played it, then how do you KNOW this WILL be the case. You're posting your opinion, about something you don't know anything about anyway, as fact. I'm not saying it will or won't, but where did you actually PLAY the damn game to be able to form that opinion?

Then again, there's no use talking to a fvcking brick WALL, is there?

[raztad]

Heavily disagree with you La Chance.

inFAMOUS is not just some good textures and NPCs walking around, as in GTA4. inFAMOUS does much more in any single heated firefight than GTA4 in the whole game. Look at the lighting (inFAMOUS is about electricity, you remember?), everything is climbable, all the particles and effects going in the screen, etc etc. Hardly GTA4 is able to get closer to inFAMOUS technical achievement. Those games are in different levels.

[XXXCouture]

LaChance - Im not disagreeing with you or anything, but remember GTA had a higher budget than Infamous. Maybe that has something to do with it

[thebudgetgamer]

it's huge firefights in killzone and r2. the amazing physics in little big planet, the grass in flower. gameplay > graphics.

:)

[Hallucinate]

god you really dont listen do you? as some already stated gta4 had a huuuge budget

[ToastyMcNibbles]

come on chance you should be smarter than that...i do feel infamous achieves things better on a technical level compared to gta 4 but keep in mind this is sucker punch's first game on the ps3 and correct me if im wrong im not sure but i think this is the first time they've tackled an open world game whereas rockstar are pros by now with open world games

[Ninver]

Reason 1: Developer sucks

Reason 2: Unreal Engine sucks on the ps3

Reason 3: M$ paid to have it run worst lol. I actually wouldn't be suprised if they did.

Frankly all the games i'm getting this year are ps3 exclusives. You see i'm not a delusional fool, i know when my money is well spent. Just like a couple of people have stated on n4g, ps3 owners just have expensive taste for quality. Weak developers will suffer defeat.

[RememberThe357]

You really don't listen, but I can kind of understand. a ton of people telling you your wrong all the time can make it start to seem like the gown-ups in Peanuts.

I will have to respectfully disagree with your comment about GTA4 and Infamous. To me GTA4 was not a bad game at all, but the game didn't seem nearly as deep as San Andreas. That gives the impression that it was held back from what it could have been.

In the case of Infamous, I think it does a lot more then GTA4. Graphically its superior. Gameplay wise, it seems superior from the demo. I'm not sure about the story, but I think GTA4 will have that on Infamous.

I personally think that Infamous will be better then GTA4. If you don't, that's fine, to each his own.

@Dirty: What are you talking about?

[phosphor112]

Blow up 10 cars in Infamous, vs blowing up 1 car in GTA. The FPS WILL DROP SIGNIFICANTLY on GTA4, while FPS will stay steady on Infamous.

Infamous has no dithering when it comes to graphics, while GTA4 has a lot of it.

EDIT:
@ DirtyBeaver

Actually UE3 engine has proven itself on the PS3. Look at UT3 on PS3. It is almost comparable to Gears 2. Same amount of AA, texture filtering..and actually..less pop up.

[cereal_killa]

http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

"On PS3, you've got a guarantee that every machine is going to have a hard-drive and, with Blu-ray, you've got plenty of storage," said Rockstar creative VP Dan Houser. "[W]hereas on Xbox 360 there's no guarantee of a hard-drive and you're working with the DVD format."

No it wasn't the fanboys it was R* themselves that said it and the fanboys were only repeating what was said if your going to try and use facts in your argument at least know what your talking about.

Can anyone answer why people would go out and buy a system but do nothing but bash the living crap out of it. I just cant understand some of you people who by the showing of there comment history crap on the PS3/360 but yet you claim you own one or the other doe this make you a justifiable Gamer to waist money on a system you never plan on playing in the first place?

[xwabbit]

La Chance have u even played infamous LOL, do u even know how much stuff u can do in that game that u cant in gta4 ? And fan boys weren't the ones who said 360 hold gta 4 from being better it was rockstar them self's LOL PWNT. Go elsewhere 360 loyalist.

BTW it wasn't rockstar only
http://www.itwire.com/conte...

[Persistantthug]

Thanks for the link, I had never seen that before....probably cause I'm fairly new around here.....thanks though. :)

http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

[Hydrolex]

nuff said

[thewhoopimen]

Save your breath. If you dont' have a ps3, there isn't much claim you can make that anyone would believe.

Personally, I have GTAIV (for ps3) and played the copy of the demo of Infamous. The textures are FAR sharper on Infamous than in gta IV. The draw distance is about the same. The HDR lighting available in Infamous is far better. The NPC charcs in Infamous aren't quite as refined as those in GTAIV, but the enemy AI is far better in Infamous AND mo-capped on top of it. Motion capture is available on both main characters in GTAIV and Infamous, but the Infamous main charc has far more movement variety, better movement transitions (changing direction, shifting, etc.)

GTAIV seems to have better city traffic modeling (with cars and drivers) than infamous and a better cop AI. In infamous regular drivers just sit in the car, even if attacked, but in GTAIV they do run out and away. However, Infamous models crowd control and mobbing is impressive.

Sound is very very good in Infamous both music and effects. Its 7.1 vs stereo obviously. Physics interactions on-screen are FAR and AWAY better.

[Raptors]

I disagree with the Halo lighting comment. No question, KZ's lighting is top notch, but at the same time the lighting in Halo was no slouch. Graphically, I definitely expected more from Halo, but from a lighting perspective I've always thought that bungie did a good job.

[cmrbe]

I don't know if you think people are stupid or you are just ignorant.

GTA4 had a reported budget of 100 million with more than 500 devs working on it.

Infameous had 65 devs working on it with an undisclosed budget but i would imagine it wouldn't be more than 30 million. If it was more than KZ2 budget we would have heard about it by now.

Le Chance you have a very simple mind. Just because a game is a PS3 exclsuive dosen't automatically means it will be better than Multi-plats no. It depends on the talent/resources use for the project.

Seriously, I can't believe i had to explain this. Anyone with common sense would know this already.

[pain777pas]

Truth is that the ports are far from unplayable so it does not matter. In some cases you wont see the difference unles viewing 2 screens side by side. The devs are doing it because they can get away with it. Really RE5 is in all honesty is almost identical and it would be nitpicking to start to force devs to release games alot further out of their and the publishers schedule. We heard it from the x-call of duty guys before it took 4 guys to port one of their games to the PS3. I don't doubt their talented but there is a margin for error and corner cutting so I'll just leave it at that.

[pain777pas]

@Stew- You're right MGS3 is a really good looking game and it suprises me that it holds up too well even today which is kinda sad.

[Kleptic]

these arguments are far more simple than they end up being...

it breaks down like this...if and when the 360 gets a game as good, or better looking, on a technical level, than killzone 2...the doors to this debate have credibility again...

as it stands now...they don't...the 360 does not HAVE A SINGLE title, either released or having been shown, that stands with killzone 2...and I used killzone 2 as it is the standard by which all other console visuals are compared right now...overall...nothing released yet looks better...and the only thing on the immediate horizon set to look better..are...guess what?...more PS3 exclusives...

now argue all you want about why killzone 2 looks better than everything else...or why Uncharted 2 looks to top even killzone 2...or why some insiders simply shat their pants when watching new footage of Heavy Rain...or Jaffe murdering his family after seeing GoW III...maybe it simply is Sony putting money in the right places...they've built their development empire up over the past 20 years more or less...MS is very young in this industry compared to Sony, which is clearly illustrated by their complete lack of 1st party content...and desperate 'keep us around' tactics like buying up DLC or forcing games to go multiplatform...

maybe its that, instead of the PS3 simply being more powerful...the PS3 has strengths, particularly in lighting and physics based rendering...and the 360 has strengths in AA and shader intense processing...the PS3 definitely isn't head and shoulders above the 360 like Sony told everyone...but it definitely has some potential in terms of hardware, and a smarter parent company, that the 360 simply lacks...

so the 'why' is irrelevant...what matters is that the PS3 HAS and WILL continue to get the best looking games for the remainder of this generation...the 360 will also get some great looking titles, but nothing that will go toe to toe with games that are set to release this year...sorry...but there is no realistic evidence to counter that...and until there is...consider it fact...

[edgeofblade]

I love it when someone argues Sony's first-party "speaks for itself". Are you honestly arguing a self-evident position on a highly subjective matter?

I'm just going to start ignoring idiots...

Kleptic, that goes for you. Killzone 2 has already dropped off most people's radar. I'm certainly enjoying it. I play online almost every night. But it didn't click with everyone. So, it really doesn't matter how good it looks if no one else wants to play it.

This isn't the Academy Awards where a pretty, dramatic piece of crap gets the nod because it meets some pedigree. This is the market place, and the consumers decide whats up to snuff, not you in your faux-ivory tower.

[lowcarb]

At the moment PS3 games in my eyes seems to be destroying 360 as far as lightning, shadows, and graphics are concerned. I was with you, but then all of the sudden you made the claim that "what matters is that the PS3 HAS and WILL continue to get the best looking games for the remainder of this generation". You see you might just be correct, but until this gen is over or this year is over we just wont know. Why is it when Gears1, PGR3, and a few other launch titles looked better than anything on PS3 you guys didn't talk crap then? 2008 up until E3 was nothing more than a slow revamp period for MS. At E3 anything could happen and as far as we know they could release footage of a few games that bury KZ2 and even UC2.

[Traveler]

I do think that so far the PS3 has some of the best looking games. But like I have said in previous posts, I don't really think the difference between the consoles' graphical performance potential is as significant as some people believe.

Both consoles are actually pretty similar in many ways, with each having a few unique strengths over the other. The PS3 does have a decent bit more CPU power to work with and with Sony's stable of developments studios they have the talent to really take advantage of that extra power.

But the differences aren't as great as between the PS2 and Xbox last generation and ultimately what really matters more than anything is how the consoles' strengths are utilized.

[asdlfkj3498as]

move.

[Kleptic]

lowcarb:

PGR3 looked better than games on the PS3 when it released?...GTHD, which was a PS2 based game (yeah, look it up...that game entirely used the GT4 engine, with a bump from 1080i to 1080p...the PS2 could literally render that game in 1080i...all you needed was component cables to display it) looked better than any 360 racing game at the time...PGR4 is arguably the best looking now I guess, but GTHD topped even Forza 3 in head to head comparisons back in 2007...

either way...I more or less meant 'continue' in the context of whats on the horizon...at least for whats been announced...its PS3 games all over the place...360 games no where to be found...we hear left and right that SC:Conviction will show us what the 360 can do...or Alan Wake will rearrange how we look at real time gaming graphics...but its all been air so far...if and when the 360 actually lives up to these claims...i'll believe it...i'm just saying that there has been no evidence shown so far to support the claims of the 360 topping the PS3 visually...or even matching it yet...

edgeofblade:

dude...I don't care if 4 people played killzone 2 total...that doesn't change the fact that its the best looking game on any console...ever made...period...when the gaming media UNANIMOUSLY declares it as the most impressive console game on a technical level...thats it...fanboys will argue about that to no end...that doesn't matter...anyone realistic about the matter understands that the game does things that no other title has done so far...if you are some how trying to bring sales into this...I don't know why you are going that direction, nor will I even start to argue against that...sales or popularity mean nothing in this context...

[ultimolu]

Very interesting article. It had good facts, backed them up and provided a legitimate question for people to really think about.

[chaosatom]

are not using the ps3 to its full extent.

When will developers learn to start on the ps3 and then port the game. *sigh*

[Lou-Cipher]

First of all, Infamous graphically looks miles better than GTA4, and if you don't think the DVD held back GTA4 then ask yourself:

1) Why is there a lack of automobiles/boats in GTA4 when compared to GTA San Andreas & Vice City?
2) Why is there a lack of Planes/Jets/Helicopters in GTA 4 when compared to GTA San Andreas & Vice City?
3) Why is there a lack of size in in GTA 4 when compared to GTA San Andreas & Vice City?
4) Why was there a lack of features (RPG style elements and other)in GTA 4 when compared to GTA San Andreas & Vice City?

Games are not Movies, they are supposed to get better with the sequels not worst.

If San Andreas took almost an entire DVD, then why with the addition of multiplayer, next gen graphics, and next gen sound would it be possible to add all the new features of GTA4 with all of the old features of all the past GTA games onto a single DVD. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.

Its not your fault that GTA 4 sucks compared to the previous GTA games, its Microsoft's fault for not adopting HD-DVD or Blu-ray as their format for the 360. Stop trying to trick yourself into believing that the DVD isn't hurting games this generation.

[koolkeith1224]

i think msg4 looks better than gears, and resistance 2 looks better than halo as well

[40cal]

Metal Gear Solid 4 is proof in almost every way that the PS3 is more powerful than the 360. Resistance 2 with out a doubt looks better than Halo 3 and supports 5 times more players online and has 10 times more going on at any given time.

Other examples that the PS3 is more powerful. Little Big Planet, Gran Turismo, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword and have you guys seen the upcoming titles Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, and God of War III?

Or how about MAG with it's ridiculous 256 player maps? What dose the 360 have now or upcoming that proves the PS3 is not more powerful? That's right ladies and gentlemen, nothing.

[table]

there are games on the ps2 that look better than Halo3... GoW2, Black and MGS3 all look better.

[cereal_killa]

40cal
"Or how about MAG with it's ridiculous 256 player maps?"

Lets wait and see this when the game is actually released I'm not saying it wont be possible but even I'm a little skeptical on this one I really hope I get proved wrong because it sounds like M.A.G. will be one sick game to play.

[36T]

All i'm hearing from all of you pro-PS3 posters is that ALL PS3 exclusives are better then any game on the X360. The newer games i agree with, but honestly, if you're gonna compare games, compare them with something that came out around the same time.

Don't use a PS3 exclusive that just came out and compare it with a X360 exclusive that came out a year before when the PS3 had almost no games worth playing. When ODST finally drops then we will have a good comparison for Killzone 2. I also saw a comparison between Forza 2 and GT5P. How about we wait for Forza 3 and GT5 to come out before looking like idiots.

Either way, these immature console arguments will never stop because neither Sony or Microsoft are going anywhere.

One last thing, by the time the next Xbox comes out, Sony will have about 3-4 years left in that 10 year cycle. Do you really think MS will make a system that will not be able to beat the PS3 performance wise? If so, you might be disappointed.

[thewhoopimen]

true...but really its more about the current lack of MS exclusives than anything. I mean nobody talks about Ninjablade.

[40cal]

Fair enough, we will have to wait and see how MAG runs. But I have to tell you that the devs claim that they've been running 256 player games for 6 months now, with no lag.

That's just what Zipper said though.

[cereal_killa]

40cal I love Zipper I'm a big fan of the Socom series I really hope this is true I cant wait to play it my only problem is its FPS only I really wish they would have giving you the option for both like they do with the Socom games.

[Ldubbz]

"there are games on the ps2 that look better than Halo3... GoW2, Black and MGS3 all look better."

Way to troll. And you got people to agree with that. Insane.

For the record, Halo 2 looks better than anything on the PS2. The continued pathetic onslaught on Halo's graphics are hilarious.

Gamepro:
"When the first peeks at Halo 3 were released, many people lamented that it looked like Halo 2 with a hi-def face lift. Well, those complaints will quickly be abolished once gamers get a look at what Bungie has done with the Xbox 360 hardware.

The first level opens in the lush jungles of Africa. Rays of light shine through the canopy with the best high-definition range (HDR) lighting that I've ever seen reflecting off each individual blade of foliage. The Arbiter is on the scene and his armor shines bright under the sunlight. The Brutes clad in their golden headdresses are also a sight to behold, majestic and regal yet deadly. The water effects in Halo 3 are also hyper-realistic, besting even the shimmering liquid found in the fantastic Bioshock. It reflects every object in the environment and reacts to every step and gunshot with realistic physics. Particle effects from plasma grenades and weapons are high-definition eye candy for graphic enthusiast"

IGN:
"Despite a few moments of slowdown, this is a gorgeous game, especially considering the demands of the replay function. And it's to die for in 1080p."

I hate that so many people talk crap about Halo and have probably never even payed Halo 3. Say what you will, but tell me these screenshots (all of which are REAL), dont look gorgeous....

http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

...but denial runs strong here. No doubt...

[Chuk_Chuk]

So true. very well written article. Now we sit and await the fanboys with their sales and other crap.

[Ps_alm3k]

So the articles main idea is, If the Ps3 exclusives outperform 360 in exclusives( in a technical standpoint). Why does it not in multiplatform?

[Chuk_Chuk]

yes

edit. lol at PS_alm3k disagrees

[ultimolu]

Because developers would rather develop on the 360 first then learning how to develop on the hard console first so both games can be equal and we don't have stupid comparison videos.

[TheHater]

Because Developers try to make both version equal and don't utilize the PS3 strengths compare to the Xbox 360 or Wii.

[mintaro]

Which is odd, because the difference was very noticeable during the PS2, Xbox era. Alot more than now.

[redsquad]

Some developers would rather hammer a square peg into a round hole than take time & effort to craft a new & unique 'round peg' that would fit perfectly.

[Morituri]

The ps3 is more intimidating for programmers, and after they have finished developing on the easier 360, they really do not have the time or money to optimize for the PS3. That simple man. They do not want to - or can't , devote the effort into making the ps3 version equal to (or better than) its competitor.

[JeffGUNZ]

True, but I think a big part of it deals with timing. It's quicker to produce the 360 version. If a Multiplat developer actually took the time to push the Ps3 capabilities, the game would take so long to come out, mainly due to the fact they arn't familiar with the PS3's hardware. Multiplats come out usually at the same time, so it would hurt sales to have one come out on the 360 and a year later on PS3. I think they fear people will lose interest in it and the payoff won't be worth it. I think Multiplats could just do time exclusive deals so the developers can take advantage of what the PS3 has.

[mastiffchild]

In most cases I feel the multi platform doesn't do either any favours. 360 exclusives and PS3 exclusives tend to look better than the multis of the same time, imo, with a few notable exceptions.

Also when a third party is really trying to get the ported PS version to match the 360 one ,which they optimised around the strengths of that consoles architecture, they're unlikely to get a true match and making one massively better than the other(if possible)would alienate half their audience(not relevant last time around with PS2 out of sight sales wise)even if they had the cash to do it properly. Porting from PS3 to 360 gives better results in genral for the whole game on both platforms but they still tend to do the easy one first and then see what's left for the PS3 version-it's a wonder they get either looking that good tbh.

When/if more games start on the PS3 then port to 360 I believe we'll see multis look better and even more equal on both systems-again, making one much better doesn't suit the developer at all. The way they seem restricted(either by time, cash or themselves)to doing this arse about face the longer we'll have pointless comparison articles nit picking differences in games intended not to have any and developed more to the strengths of one console than the other but to none fully.

Anyway, my point is I think the games would be more even(though right now you would rarely, if ever, notice any naked eye differences asp during gameplay)in quality and better in general if only devs would port from PS3 to 360-if they don't have the cash to use two seperate teams from the ground up to match a target render.

[Dead_Cell]

As Ultimulo said,they're porting over from 360 mainly.
The PS3's architecture is built differently,it's not designed to work in the same way a 360 is and it's suffering slightly because of it.
Think of what you're asking,for a port of a game designed perfectly for the 360 to run in the same way,yet look better on PS3.
It's not going to beat the 360 at its own game.
And yet we have exclusives built solely for a PS3 that are blowing away 360 exclusives and multiplatform games in the graphical department.
I think that this is proof enough that No,the companies who are making multiplatform games are not using it to its full potential,they're expecting the same code built on 360's to run just as great on PS3.
It's just not going to.

[darthv72]

The odd thing is it seems that when porting from PS3 to 360 there is literally no difference in the games. To the effect that the 360 can run the PS3 code as good as the PS3 itself.

The same isnt true the other way. If the game lead is the 360, it gets a sloppy port to the PS3. If the game starts on the PS3 then it gets a direct port to the 360. Strange how that works.

What is a list of multiplatform games that had the PS3 as the lead and then the 360 ver came out after? I can think of Virtua Fighter 5 and UT3 ATM but I am sure there are others.

Also, when looking at certain high profile games (burnout, gta4, COD4/5) it is obvious those companies didnt do a single game and then port but more likely they had teams working on the game for both systems at the same time. Sharing ideas on how to do this on that and vice versa. The way it was meant to be made.

[franko]

i have both systems and the MGS4 is way ahead of any other game on any other systems. period.

[Defectiv3_Detectiv3]

I was let down by MGS4 graphics. They have their moments, but a lot of the textures were terrible. I was expecting more from that game.

I would say that Uncharted is easily better looking.

[JBaby343]

But MGS4 definitely is spectacular.

[40cal]

You are way off with that one bro.

2008 VGA results: best graphics Metal Gear Solid 4. Whats that? What?

[36T]

Franko the fanboy just couldn't resist putting in his two cents.

[Ninjamonkey]

of course the ps3 is best for graphics, the real question is by how much?

Also, the reason why the ps3 does not do so well with multiplats is simple, the ps3 is more complicated to develop for. It takes more people, more time, and more money to get games running on the ps3.

Its not becuase the 360 is more powerfull, otherwise the ps3 wouldnt have the best looking games. Its becuase devs have schedules, they need to get games out in a certain time or they run out of money. So they do the best they can with the ps3 version with the time and resources they have.

[sack_boi]

Bubble +

[paul0388]

I like my 360, a lot. After taking a break from Halo for a year (more like divorce), we finally hooked back up when I bought another copy on Friday. I do have to say, after spoiling myself with Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Uncharted, and Metal Gear 4, Playstation Exclusives have won me over. First of all, the graphics of Killzone 2 are breathtaking. A friend (xbot) originally thought the opening show was pre-rendered they're so good. When it comes to Resistance 2, the sheer scope of the game got me. It starts with a bang and doesn't quit until the final bang (if you've beaten it you know what I mean).The detail to Uncharted is unparalleled,enough said, and the grand scale and epic presentation of snake's final adventure took me through a whole range of emotions that a game has never allowed me to feel before. When it comes to Gears 2 and Halo 3, quite frankly, the stories are completely forgettable and the graphics are dated, ESPECIALLY with Halo 3.I have not had an "Oh Sh!t moment at any time with those games, as I have with the PS3 exclusives. My personal experiences have led me down the path to say that not only does the PS3 have better graphics, but better games as well...

[Morituri]

"PS3...Bring you 'Oh Sh!t' moments for your gaming pleasure"

Like when you first see the sky in San Fransisco in Resistence 2.

[paul0388]

That's exactly right. Or like the Metal Gear boss fight where you control a Metal Gear, or even the opening scene in Resistance 2 and the beginning of the 2nd level in Killzone 2. The list can go on and on and on.
What does Gears 2 have, a weak ass Brumac ride? How about Halo 3's conclusion, a copy of the escape scene from the completion of Halo 1. I remember these parts because they were hyped with words like "epic" and "grand" and became anything but. Botton line, the Xbox 360 is showing its age.

[deshon09]

i don't think that the 360 is holding games back but it not relay helping push them forward ether

[40cal]

So if the 360 is not making any forward progress like you say, then YES dude the 360 is holding gaming back.

[Lou-Cipher]

The 360 is not holding back PS3 exclusives, but they are holding back multiplatform games.

How many times has a developer written a story or had an idea for their game, to only make cuts because it takes more than 7 gigs of space? (I would really love to know the answer to that)

I cant say that all games, or even most games are shortened or scaled back because of the DVD, but we all know that their are a handful of games that sacrificed quality, content, or size because of the limitations of only 7 gigs.

and if you think that DVD is not hurting some games, then you are either mistaken or just plain lying to yourself.

[gdblose]

ALL I WANT TO KNOW IS WHERE CAN I GET ONE OF THESE SILVER PS3. THIS COLOR LOOKS SO SEXXXY!

HIT AGREE...IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR HANDS ON ONE OF THESE.

[kaelix]

I'd prefer navy blue over silver any day :P wish they made that color :[

[gdblose]

ALLRIGHT THEN!!!...HIT DISAGREE IF YOUR G@Y!

[KillerBBs]

Disagree but don't want to be G@y. I'd prefer pink over silver.

[Salta_nelas]

Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, GT5, Uncharted 1/2, Wipeout HD, MGS4, team ico projetc, Infamous, LBP and GOWIII are some games that should ashame MP developers when it comes to lightning, physics, graphics and animations all together.

I understand its easier to go from 360 to PS3 but devs doing the other way around prove that results are better and both versions are alike or even better on the PS3.

[PotNoodle]

Developers don't have the time or resources to dig into the PS3's hardware, only the first party ones do, with the exception of kojima productions.

[LorD]

I should have stopped reading when the author of this "article" tries to talk technical jargon, yet doesn't understand the most simple of technical concepts.

There is no such thing as 1280x1080p, or 1280x720p.

[Oner]

720p is 1280x720 WiKi ~ http://74.125.47.132/search...

And GT5P runs natively at 1280x1080p @60fps but is uspcaled to 1920

[ForROME]

You want to show me full potential, release the DA(*^*^*(&^ satin silver in the US other wise I feel gipped by Japan

[Counter Strike]

For sure , Ps3 games stay YEARS being dveloped , not like Xbox games but maybe Microsoft has a few surprises for you...

oh and i dont care if its 2nd or 3rd or 4th generation , thats stupid...lol

btw...Sony Fanboys = lool...

i would love to smash all of you on PSN but i dont play LaMe Games like Killzone , MGS or Resistance Online , i play Pro Games like Counter Strike 1.6 with true gamers...true gamers are on Pc if u dont know.

[Nineball2112]

If you have to pump yourself up like that, you're just lame. End of.

It does seem to take devs longer on PS3 games, although once they get the hang of the different architecture I'm sure it becomes a smoother process for them as time goes on.

[Morituri]

Way to backtrack troll. First you were all about 360, now you are all about PC. Nice backbone.

You're right about one thing though: PC will always have the upper hand due to upgrade-ability.

You even talk like an actual troll. What empoverished country are you from anyway?

[NotSoSilentBob]

", i play Pro Games like Counter Strike 1.6 "

thats funny enjoy your almost 10 year old game. If Games like Killzone2, MGS, Resistance are "lame" then I AM FREAKING PROUD TO BE CONSIDERED A LAME Person cause my games evolve and don't just stand still.

[darkzodiac55]

i respect you SOOO much
/S

[OmegaSlayer]

@Counterstrike

What kind of drugs are you on?
Please shut your mouth, you're blatantly ridicolous.

[-YLoD-]

What developer has actually set out to achieve 360's full capabilities? NONE

Killzone 2 could be made to run on the 360, it wouldn't have as good physics though, but it would have more detailed texture's. It's been a well known fact that ps3 has the superior CPU, while the 360 has the better GPU.

It's pointless to say that one is more powerful, overall, than another.
PS3's best graphical game was in developement for 4 years.
The 360's best looking game, GoW2, was in developement for 2 and used the ageing unreal engine.

Until a game is developed to take full advantage of the 360's capabilities, it's not fair to say the ps3 is more powerful and can run game's the 360 couldn't posssibly do.

[no-spin]

MS flagship titles, Gears and Halo, have nothing to show the 360 is equal to the PS3 on capacity.
your kz 2 argument is based on nothing but imagination, or is MS going to show Alan Wake and prove the PS3 wrong. MS has all the money they want, Epic pushed the 360 to make Gears 2 the graphical power in 360, and that game has nothing on KZ2.

all in all, no real facts to support your argument, but plenty to prove you wrong.

[Nineball2112]

Wait... the Xbox has been out a FULL year longer then the PS3.

What the F$%K is the hold up on getting "a game [to be] developed to take full advantage of the 360's capabilities."

Seriously... if it's possible, explain why it hasn't been done.

Especially since the 360 has been around longer AND MS has so much money to throw at developers.

I don't buy it and common sense says that if it was possible... it would have happened by now.

[mintaro]

Well when MS has only about 5 1st party studios, as opposed to Sony's 20, you'd figure that MS doesn't have the time to max out the 360 hardware.

Hey, if MS gave a studio 4 years of dev time and a budget of 50 million dollars, maybe the 360 would have a game with Killzone 2 caliber graphics.

[mastiffchild]

It's my belief, and only a belief I add, that there's proly a little more juice under the hood of the PS3 than the 360 has. However, you have a great point there but it leads to a question as well doesn't it?

Why wasn't Halo3 allowed to be the game that pushed the 360? Why hasn't another game been allowed to do it either? Does it show a lack of belief from MS? Is that why they let their first party devs atrophy? Or, were they just more concentrated on gaining market share and demanded their biggest guns got their games out, like pronto? IDK, but I agree that no third party has come close so far to maxing out either console but til the 360 has competed with the newer PS3 exclusives then the doubt that 360 can do the same is bound to be there-MS are a very big company so ,again, why haven't any games yet been allowed to take advanyage of everything the 360 can offer? It's very odd to me.

Of couse there could well be a game or two in that situation come E3-and I pray there is as it'll push games forward for us all(best of all for those of us with every platform going but also single platform gamers)-the best guess of the games we know something about are Halo Chronicles and AW, no? Add to that the new Epic IP and , maybe, Bungie IP and there's a chance we'll see the game that finally seems to push the 360 the way Sony exclusives are pushing the PS3.

I look forward to having my belief shaken, and then to the Sony response. Should be amazing, imo.

Oh, Counter Strike-yes PC games do look better in general and always at the high end but I prefer gaming online on consoles as I feel it's a fairer arena with everyone having identical controllers and console hardware-it's more egalitarian and doesn't allow, without cheating, the richest gamer an advantage beyond, perhaps, their ISP connection and resultant ping reading. Also, some of the people I've come across lately in the PC game world have been unbearable snobs-and shortsighted ones at that. Not everyone by any means(some of my best friends are still primarily keyboard/mouse addicts)but often enough to spoil my TF2 or MMO experience and with the need to constantly upgrade my GFX card, gaming mouse, keyboard, more storage it was enough to convince me I prefer the more even world of the console gamer-even if I do still have to mute a few people!

[nycredude]

Listen people it don't matter which which console is more powerfull. The only thing that matters is the games!!!!!!

you could have the most powerfull machine in the world that cost 25,000 dollars but with no games it's still paper weight!

We all know where the games are right now!

Look at counter strike, still playing that old as game! LOL!

[Morituri]

You sure are right about that. Why say it when we really don't have to? It is a waste of breath. It is plain as day that one is more powerful, and not because of specs on paper, but because we have been playing the cream of the crop for some time now.

[cereal_killa]

And How much longer do you need to believe this crap the 360 is going on its 4th yr and you say that no one it using the 360 to the best of there abilities, according to you fanboys the 360 is the easier one to develop for (which is true I wont deny this)but if its so easy why cant anyone make one hell of a graphical powerhouse game like MGS4,KZ2 Uncharted etc.etc among others the PS3 going on its 3rd year has already blown the competition away with exclusive game graphics and it will only get better, and you want to spin this like no one has had the chance to do it.

[Nemo88]

I think we can all agree that the nature of the ps3 means games have to be in development for longer...as the guy above me pointed out: the 360 is easier to program, its designed like a Pc pretty much right? So there will be less optimizing involved when going from their developer Pc's just scaling back certain features I presume?

Whereas for Ps3 they are trying to get all sorts of stuff running on the 6 Spu's as well as the main CPu and Gpu. How many devs have talked about how complex it is to code for ps3? Think about it. Devs can tap into 360's power much more quickly.

A ps3 game in dev for 3 years should be able to be done in 2 on 360- all things being equal. I just dont believe they are. But for sure the 360 can't be maxed-out graphically, every other console has managed to be squeezed for years... PS3 ceiling just seems to be higher. Remember the leap from Tekken to Tekken 3 even on the old PS1? Just imagine what we'll see towards the end of PS3 cycle?!!

[no-spin]

already knew the quality of PS3 exclusives.

in time 3rd party will use the PS3 better, Sony will have to do it at the moment. is all good

[ApocalypseShadow]

it's not that we are gloating about it.it is what we SEE and is the TRUTH.

as the article has stated the obvious,sony's racing,third person games and first person games,outdo 360 games on a technical level.

but the article forgot sony's sports games run at a higher resolution like mlb:09.the article forgets to mention that sony's PSN games run at a higher resolution.

360 fans,this is not about sales.even though sony's games sell well across the board and not just two or three shooters.no,this about GRAPHICS.when you bring other arguments into a comment section about GRAPHICS,it means you have nothing to stand on and deflect the main question:

"is ps3 more powerful than 360?"

microsoft claimed that 360 is more powerful than ps3.even put out papers at launch stating how powerful the 360 is.but from what we have seen,360 has fallen behind as we have been saying from the beginning. like sony has been saying from the beginning.

360 IS NOT MORE POWERFUL THAN PS3.IT'S TRUTH.IT'S FACT.

want to deny it?then it would be easy to put up games and SHUT EVERY PS3 FAN UP ABOUT THIS QUESTION.but time and time again,you can't show us any games to counter.

MICROSOFT SUPPOSEDLY HAS MORE MONEY,THEY SUPPOSEDLY HAVE MORE POWER IN 360,THEY SUPPOSEDLY HAVE BETTER SOFTWARE COMPRESSION AND TECHNIQUES.

but we always see sony's games hitting new high marks in graphics,in gameplay,in artistic design,in players online. while microsoft game engines like UNREAL and NOT UNREAL don't hold a candle to sony first party engines.

it would be easy for you to post a link of a game on 360 that looks better than killzone2 on 360.easy for you to post a link of a game that looks better than uncharted on 360.easy for you to post a game that hits 20vs20,30vs30.easy for you to post links of a game that moves you like flower.

it's fine not having the most powerful system in your entertainment cabinet.wii gamers are fine knowing that it's not powerful graphically.but since you 360 fans have been LIED to by MICROSOFT,you continue to hold on to the LIE.everyone knew XBOX was more powerful than ps2.even though ps2 put up some amazing games.

once you admit to the TRUTH,then you can move forward.and tight now,360 fans need to admit to themselves the truth,so that ALL of us gamers can move forward.

apocalypse.................

[Oner]

+1 Apoc ~

Volition says 360 maxed out ~ http://www.gameplayer.com.a...

Epic says 360 maxed out ~ http://www.computerandvideo...

Microsoft Executive admits PS3 more powerful ~ http://news.softpedia.com/n...

"Aaron Greenberg, tackled the subject during an interview taken at the CES. The Microsoft executive said that, although the PS3 might be more powerful, customers still took into..."

[KillerBBs]

I don't want to be G@y and disagree with you but it would be nice if it came in pink.

[Henry Cain]

To be honest i've being playing Infamous demo for awhile now, and the charcters on Infamous look alot better than GTA4. GTA4 cut scenes already look outdated. When u look at their hands. Look like blocks. And if you really want to compare GTA4 and Infamous wait until the game comes out. GTA4 just has more of a backing than Infamous. But I still think Infamous looks a little better.

[Gue1]

What with the Open Zone? It is so lonely here!

Now everybody's a gamer and no more fanboys, trolls, etc anymore? Because let me tell ya that there aren't any gamers on N4G. Just trolls, fanboys and many crazy people that take bubbles if your thinking is not the same as them.

[La Chance]

Well we can say almost anything in the gamer zone without the mods doing anything so whats the use for the open zone ?

[acetw1n]

The xbox 360 has superior ghraphics due to the complex systems of gerbels and hamsters inside of it running on wheels

[Man_of_the_year]

I modded my 360 so now i have 3 hamsters on 3 hamster wheels. Each dedicated to its own Hamster Wheel. Sweet.

[krouse93]

so when it rrods does that mean the hamsters died?

[acetw1n]

make sure you feed your hamsters 50 dollars a year, so you can play online!

[UNCyrus]

i <3 open zone...

[devilhunterx]

Free the Gerbil 3!

[Pootangpie]

to make games look worse for PS3 you know I'm not even going to waste my time explaining why that article is full of **** since I've done it before and it never gets through to the sony fanboys thick skulls so I'll make fun of them instead

Sony fanboy response

blah blah blah bluray is the best blah blah blah blah blah Cell blah blah blah blah blah Overhyped exclusives blah blah blah 10 year life span blah blah blah blah blah blah Sony says so blah blah blah blah blah MS paid them sony says so blah blah blah It's a conspricy

[Hallucinate]

um idk maybe its just me but i dont see any sony fanboy saying the MS is paying devolpers to do that...

[Counter Strike]

Dude , real gamers are not in Ps3 or Wii...

You have some Real Gamers on 360 but its on Pc that they are...People who plays Counter Strike 1.6 since 2001 like me...Get more hardcore than that...

A 2001 Game rap** Killzone 2 and R2 , the best FPS Ps3 games...i will not even talk about Crysis , Half Life or any other FPS on Pc that blows all Ps3 games...just dont mess with a Pc Gamers...because PC >>>>>>>Co nsoles...Are u serious about playing with a Pad !? Thats lame...thats why Consoles(Mostly Ps3) gamers are called LaMe in all sites of Pc gaming or youtube...

Ps3 will never matche Crysis...Get over it.

Btw , i like the 360 Pad but for Shooters will never match K+M.

[MetalGearBear]

PS3 and Xbox360 is true gamer!!!
PC and Wii not!!!!

WAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[no-spin]

then it must be great to play crysis over and over and over

[Kantraz]

This is a article about the PS3 and 360, the article doesn't state that the PS3 is better than a PC!
Of course PC games looks much better than console games, but on the other hand, many PC games lack the gameplay... Crysis had an okay gameplay, but it was not that great, and don't take me wrong, I have played Crysis through 6 times, as I think it is the best pc game, but not the best game if we also look at the consoles!

I own all the current gen consoles and a good pc, but I only buy games for my PS3, I have around 20 games for my PS3, where of the games I play most actually is 1st party games, and I only have 3 360 games, which is Halo 3 and both of the Gears of War. The cover system in Gears of War is great, but it has also been done on the PS3. I yet have to see some more great games for the 360, so I also could show my 360 some love, but atm my money goes to PS3 games, not because I'm a fanboy, but because thats the console with the best games.

[Hallucinate]

aww look how jealous he is so cute

your no gamer your a pc elitest i would rather chill with hitler then a pc elitest pc fanboys are like those nerds that you just wanna kick there ass but you cant because its like hitting a helpless child

[Henry Cain]

Man you sound real weak right about now. A real gamer plays every system wether it pc or console. I'm a real gamer. I played my first game on the Texas Instrument when there was no such thing as a mouse.

[CypH]

alright listen GTA4 may prolly look better than infamous, but the catch is Infamous will never drop in frame. All the explosions all the action in Infamous can literally kill GTA4.

proof: walk around in GTA4 with nothing but explosive weapons, then go around blowing everything up, and watch GTA4 frame rate drop

[Pootangpie]

Like john carmack saying the 360 and PS3 both have there pluses and minuses yet you take stupid journalist word rather then a proffesional developers of course KZ2 heavy rain and uncharted can't be done on the 360 because THERE UNDER SONY'S CONTRACT there paid to devlop for them they also don't develop with the rival console if there under an exclusive contract so you can spin all the bull**** that the games speak for themselfs but unless a devloper {NOT A JOURNLIST} that isn't working exclusivly with sony says the PS3 is more Powerful kindly go ride sony's ding a ling somewhere else

Oh and btw Super mario galaxy can only be done on the wii

end of sarcasm

[ApocalypseShadow]

you come into the thread using **PC**,when we are talking about CONSOLES.

i didn't know that PCs are being bought and hooked up to televisions.didn't know that the writer of the article included PC in his comparison.didn't know that there are commercials pushing PC as a console like wii,ps3 and 360.that's "deflecting" dude.

PS3 vs 360.that is the question here.sure,it doesn't matter really about graphics.doesn't matter really about 20vs20 or 30vs30.or 1080p or bluray.

but the question is which system is pumping out more powerful games.and ps3 is the one doing it.

microsoft has

1)money
2)time
3)developing tools
4)developers

but the results from the 360 for being out LONGER than ps3,is ps3 passing 360 in technical feats.

UNREAL GAMES DON'T LOOK BETTER OR PERFORM BETTER THAN SONY PS3 EXCLUSIVES.

DEVELOPERS MAKING GAMES EXCLUSIVELY FOR 360,BUT ***NOT*** USING UNREAL,ARE STILL GETTING BEAT BY SONY EXCLUSIVE DEVELOPERS.

so,it's either:

1)360 exclusive developers can't make games that outdo ps3 exclusive developers when they had more time and better tools.

2)or 360 is not powerful enough to hang with ps3 when it comes to graphics.

it's either one or the other.or it could be:

1)360 exclusive developers don't even want to waste their time trying to push the envelope when it comes to maxing the 360.which would be a real shame.because it would mean 360 gamers are being shafted.

but then,when has 360 gamers not been "shafted?"

apocalypse................... ...

[XPC HARDonE]

PS3 exclusives are kicking the 360's ass this year unless MS has a few tricks up their sleeve.

Ps3 exclusives have some of the best graphics anywhere PC included, and the 360 has yet to produce something on par with what I've seen on the PS3.

I prefer Live to PSN, but free does have a nice ring to it.

When the price comes down on the PS3 I would love to own both consoles.

I have not given up on the 360, but I have to admit something is up when I find myself playing Peggle multiplayer on XBLA more than the other games I have.

I am looking forward to the multiplatform games that are coming out since the graphics on those are usually the same on both consoles, and sometimes better on the 360. If you dont care for the sony exclusives then the 360 is the cheapest way to go to play most of the current generations games, dont pay full price for live, search online there is someone selling a year of live for 40.00 dollars.

But whenever I see a PS3 in the window, there is a part of me that wants to buy and that pull is getting stronger and stronger with uncharted 2 and Trico.

We should not argue like fanboys both consoles offer something special, and we should all be so lucky to be able to afford both.

Good Gaming everybody.

[xg-ei8ht]

Counter Strike

What the fk are you going on about.

Going on about counter strike, a crap, poorly overated piece of graphical sh^t. Valves engine is possibly the most outdated of them all.

Then you go on about crysis. Thinking that crysis can't run on the PS3 or the 360. How little do you know. You do know why everyone goes on about crysis don't you?

RAM. Plain and simple. Tons of foilage and The Shader fx are nothing special, dof(that's depth of field incase you didn't know) is done in alot of PS3 games and 360 games.

Then your argument goes to kb-m. Naturally they are from the pc world of gaming. I know i've been a pc gamer for 20years. ALthough you can use the kb-m on the PS3 version of unreal3.

If you love your pc so much, then stop going on about the pc.

I have both and i enjoy both.

But please stop talking crap.

[deshon09]

see what you are trying to do is take what said and make it bad no what i ment is the 360 may not be making more game to push forward but the game s they have mad a good ones gears and halo made a huge impact but out side of those i don't see ms making game that are different and make people say wow something new and can be great all i see is them recycling old franchise witch is not a bad thing it just gets old put it this why wen ms game studio acutely develops a new ip them self and dose not have to pay for an old one then they will be helping push games along

[40cal]

True, but that would depend on how that game turns out. Alan Wake has potential to be that game for Microsoft. We will just have to wait and see.

[the new king 74]

looks like the ps3 is gonna go out like the xbox1. remember when ps2 was underpowered compared to the xbox1 ? multiplatform titles would look the same when you knew xbox1 was more powerful.

[Pootangpie]

expect Xbox there wasn't a single PS2 port that looked worse on the system it either looked way better or had only Minor improvments but it never looked worse then the PS2 version with the PS3 haveing promblems with most multiplatfrom games looking worse then the Xbox 360 version obviously something is up with the hardware It's quite simple to people that even a moron will understand it if the PS3 has the more powerful hardware every single game will look the SAME OR better not worse on that system so what's the real excuse/BS you sony fanboys are going to spin on about huh

[Traveler]

That really isn't accurate.

For one thing the original Xbox was more powerful than the PS2 by quite a large margin, which isn't the case this generation where the two HD consoles are much closer in performance.

Second, the PS2, like the PS3, was a more difficult machine to work with for many developers. The Xbox was much more straight forward for the tradition game developer.

So when you combine the fact that the 360 was much more powerful (after all it released something like a year and half later than the PS2) with the fact that it was also easier to develop for, it is no wonder that multiplatform ports ended up looking better on the Xbox.

Now when you port from the 360 to the PS3 you are porting from a more straight forward console to a more complex console with a more specialized architecture. Going in that direction you are never going to get great performance out of the more specialized hardware. It just doesn't work that way. If you build the game on the more specialized hardware and port to the more straight-forward hardware you will usually get much better results.

[Why o why]

I dont wanna hear rhetoric i wanna see results. The ps3 has shown its potential more times than the 360 has. Anybody who feels different please state why. Please note im not talking about the middle ground multiplat stuff but the tailored stuff ie exclusives (no pc bshots please. ill be fast and say you're talking nonsense, Ill then proceed to ask you to show me these games and im sure all ill see is gears 1+ 2.

Even i know the UE 3 is holding the 360 back NOT the 360 itself other than the dvd<8 but thats neither here nor there. Its up to MS to push the envelope NOT 3rd parties and the collective will and hope of its fanboys and that's the reason the ps3 wins any comparison on this subject area hands down

[KingKionic]

Well this article listed good points. I truly dont know why people here turned it into to something else,as if its flame bait.

[Salta_nelas]

I care about results and PS3 is shining in exclusives.

[Counter Strike]

i will call MILIONS OF PC GAMERS TO SMASH UR ASS RIGHT HERE!

Because Counter Strike >>>>>>> anything on Ps3 or X360...

Camon , i have a 360 and it has great games...Mass Effect , Gears series , Halo 3 , ninja Gaiden 2 , Fable 2 , Blue Dragon , Lost Odissey...but nothing can match Half Life , Deus EX , Half Life...NOTHING!

Get over it...

the same for Ps3 games...Oh and Call of duty 4 is one of the most sells games on Ps3 and X360 and its so much better on Pc so whats happening yo ??? The games who sold more on Consoles are better on Pc its because Consolas exclusives cant match Pc Games...On graphics and everything else...it just impossible...get over it...

Counter Strike 1.6 owns All Console Games...Except Halo Ce & Halo 2...but it stills better without OWN!

[kaveti6616]

The PS3 is not more powerful than the 360. However, the First Party Devs are using the Cell architecture to their advantage in order to make awesome games.

The 360 is not more powerful than the PS3. However, it has plenty of potential left, potential that will likely never be tapped because Microsoft does not have enough resources, or First Party teams to create custom built engines to take full advantage of the 360 architecture.

My opinion is that even if the 360 was publicly and with certainty 3 times more powerful than the PS3, that power wouldn't matter because its never going to be realized. The PS3 is using its power and delivering great games like UC, UC2, KZ2, and what have you.

This is not a bash on hardware. Both the 360 and PS3 have very good hardware, but the companies behind them have very different intentions. I feel animosity towards Microsoft because although they provide a good experience, they still love money so much that every decision they make has money behind it. LIVE is a better experience but it costs money. If I had known in 06 what I realized recently, I would have gotten a PS3 long ago. This is no offense to 360 owners. It's a great machine, but I just feel regretful.

[KillerBBs]

I like my PS3 but just recently purchased a 360. I like the 360 controller better. Can I get a bigger controller for my PS3. If so where? I'm 6'7" and sick of my hands cramping up. I've haven't had hand cramps like this since my old lady left me.

[kaveti6616]

Tall people play sports.

Short people play video games.

Get with the program.

[hadouken]

forza 2 runs at 60 frames per second, what an idiotic author

[the new king 74]

i just downloaded infamous from sony europe , without a doubt , gta4 has a better engine ! infamous is so jaggie ! vehicle models ? npc models ? infamous looked better on gametrailers cuz the video smooth out the edges but on a 1080p 120hz tv ? yuuuukkk . i hope anti aliasing is turned on for the retail version. oh and i have 3 1080p 120hz tv's all different models and checked all 3

[skatezero246]

then you need new tv's because I dl the demo myself and havn't experienced anything you just mentioned

[Socomer 1979]

Media is always late to report what these depressed xbox fanboys know already.
How's it feel to be on defence xbutt?

Hee hee! I'm just coming from a loss at a clan match on killzone 2. So I'm already pissed off but this piece of good news just lifted my spirits. I almost feel bad for the scrubby xbots here. They just compared ps3 exclusives with xbox360 exclusives. Dam, I know you all was hoping they wouldn't yet hee hee.

Some a$$hole named lachance was talking about gta4 being the sole reason why 360 can compete. What a idiot ha ha ha! He thinks since rockstar had to struggle with making each version as equal as possible is proof. The ps3 version has sixaxis, looks more realistic at 1080i & has free online. Houser said the next gta is ps3 exclusive. The game is best played once, it's side missions were cut & there's still 40gb left on my bluray copy. How do you compare the magnificance of infamous to the snore fest of gta? Oh man is that desperate.

Infamous isn't a gta killer. It's a crackdown killer & that game had 3 animations: jump, kick & shoot. Do you all remember how tiny that world was? CEL shaded. But for some strange reason crackdown was really freaking fun.
Why? Simplicity. Infamous is a ps3 exclusive & it means more to me than any of your lives because this game was made by sucker punch. Are you buggin?

[Montrealien]

You know what I will be doing tonight? Playing InFAMOUS, how about you? And speaking of crackdown, that reminds me, it was an awesome game! So were the Sly coopers and A boy and his Blob. Oh, and did I forget to mention rock and roll racing? that game was sick!

Eh well, back to the amazing game that is inFAMOUS. Being better then a bottom feeding fantart brand whore is the life.

[na2ru1]

was fun to play. And that's what's most important. I knew SP concentrated their focus on that, the instant pick up and go feeling. It ran really smooth.

I can't wait for Infamous next week.

[Hallucinate]

crackdown was amazing i played it at a buddys house 360 number 1 title IMO

[GameScrubs]

Art is a subjective matter ppl. Think about this!

All those that say that uncharted graphics > GEoW 2 are they correct? It's an opinion, whether the artist captivated you with his design or it might just be console bias. It doesn't mean you are correct.

I like MGS4 graphics more than KZ2. In fact I was extremely annoyed at KZ2's graphics and art direction. But I'm not going to sit here and say if you don't notice why this game is better then you suck!

Now the PS3 might be stronger than the Xbox 360. In reality I could care less. If a game comes out on either system that I think is good then I'm getting it.

In reality people falling for this kind of articles either just like the flame console war, are super fanboys OR are just stupid.

/meh

[Traveler]

What you're talking about is simple subjective aesthetic appreciation. However, for people with a technical background or people who have some knowledge of the technical aspects of game graphics it is easy to see that some games are more technically advanced than others.

Gears of War is more graphically advanced than Halo 1, for instance, and no subjective "opinion" is ever going to change that fact.

Killzone 2 by the same criteria is a more graphically advanced game than Gears of War. That is what this is about, not about which game's graphics you or I personally found most aesthetically pleasing.

[GameScrubs]

I'm willing to admit that. But then can you explain to me how you can prove that Killzone is better graphically than GEoW?

Can you show me what people are talking about, because I have both Killzone and Gears and I think gears has better graphics. But people say that Killzone is the pinnacle of next gen graphics and I personally don't see it.

Are you talking about the number of polygons the game is creating, particle effects that are on screen, high res textures, consistent frames per second, anti aliasing, color pallet?

Cuz IMHO a game can be pushing all those crazy numbers and calculations and what not, but in the end does it make it a better looking game than the other.

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No big deal in the end though it seems silly.

[DevilNinja420]

Great Article. Hit the nail on the head.

[skatezero246]

all I'm going to say is wait for God of War 3, Uncharted 2, and Heavy Rain (my Prediction Heavy Rain will have the best visuals hands down when it's released) followed closely by the other two games I listed

[xg-ei8ht]

19 - If u talk shi* of Counter Strike.
i will call MILIONS OF PC GAMERS TO SMASH UR ASS RIGHT HERE!

You do have a sense of humour.

Might want to do a spell check now and then:)

Obviously you do not like PS3.

That's fine. But to come here knocking the games for no good reason is childish.

And the games you talk about, are infact PC games. Nothing to do with consoles, you know my fav PC game. Quake3. Fast,explosive,skillful,good maps and good fun.

Was on the dreamcast, and in some maps looked better,lol.

And when your playing some games, AA just does not matter.

Like say crysis, wasn't a bad game, open,decent weapons,nice graphics, but you needed a top of the range pc to run it at it's best. that's why most used dx9, even with dx10 cards. 99% of the dx10 fx can be done in dx9 as well.

That's why as i said earlier, you can have crysis on PS3,360.

And please before anyone starts, cryengine 3 is actually better coded then it's older brother. So when a newer games comes out for pc, it'll run better and look better.

You can quote me on that.

[Smokzdaizm]

All that and still can't provide custom soundtracks and voice party in every game. I love my PS3 but it's like pulling teeth using it's online service free or not.

[boss_killa]

killzone 2 was just the beginning.

360 doesnt really have anything coming up at the moment that looks to match it.

although we gotta wait till e3 to find out. MS might have some secret games up their sleeves.

[DuneBuggy]

After gazing at my collection of green game cases,I noticed I have alot of multiplatform games.
Most of them were judged as good or even better than the competitors system. You wanna argue that? Go ahead but this article gives examples of it and im sure you have read others.

That being said,why should I CARE what the potential of a PS3 is if 70% of the games on it (or more) make no use of it? Or worse yet are rushed together port jobs? 3rd party doesnt mean 3rd rate (but can often).
Im glad the PS3 has some in house titles that look good. I wish I could play Killzone 2. But theres plenty of Xbox exclusives too I would have missed out on had I bought a PS3.
Im "monogomous" when it comes to my home console. Previously it was a PS2, then a PS, Genesis, NES,Colecovision,2600..you get the idea.
Want to know a dirty little trend ive noticed after 3 decades of home game systems?
The one with the best graphics and "potential" often isnt the best seller.

[Bathyj]

When the PS3 first arrived, we all said it was more powerful.

"Well where's the proof?" the haters clamoured.

The proof has been piling up pretty much since Motorstorm came out, its just that the haters dont want to acknowledge it.

Suddenly the importance of graphics got downplayed. Graphic aren't everything they cried. True.

But why then, do they pick apart and disect every multiplatform game, which have minimal differences and are downgraded by the nature of the process, yet ignore blatently obvious proof like PS3 exclusive vs anyother game, be they exlusive to XB or multiplats. With Killzone, the graphical bombshell, all we had to compare it with was Crysis, a game requiring hardware twice the price of PS3 to run reasonably and even then, KZ is better in many areas.

I just think its funny they look for the tiniest difference in multiplats and ignore obvious ones in exclusives.

[baodeus]

@bathyJ

I just find it funny that they are looking for tiniest detail in exclusives and ignore the obvious ones in multiplatform (Graphic RE5 > KZ2) Any ideas? Sony Fan or Xbox Fan really blow things out of proportion. I seriously don't see anything mind blowing.

And why are there so much thing about graphic? What about game play? If graphic make better games, why people still play starcraft, counter strike, Halo 1 - 3, COD4, WoW, more than KZ2 or even Crysis?

People that are out of the loop can tell the differences while Fan are blinded by PR's BS and Hyped. Love is blind no?

[Nihilism]

hahah runs at 30 frames at a native resolution of 1280*720, weak ass consoles, anyone still think ps3 is powerful?, whatever happened to all those "1080p" games that don't exist.....or are scaled up, pc for the win, my pc could run kz2 at 60 frames at much higher res with anti aliasing, disagree please, i'd love you to.

[deshon09]

you are such a boob have you even played the game you know what it dose not mater put it like this guerilla games are still way more talented than you will ever be

[Ldubbz]

So some blogger cherrypicks certain games and compares them, with no sorta control? Mind you that every single PS3 game mentioned was released AFTER the 360 one.

Using Forza 2? Are you serious? At least use PGR4. Though GRID looks better than all of those games, even GT5, since there is very little track design in comparison to GRID. BUt GT5 isnt even really out yet, so meh.

Halo 3 which came out in 2007, against a game that released two months ago. Right. The whole resolution fiasco with Halo at 640p? Love how everyone glosses over Bungie's response to that...

"One item making the interwebs rounds this week was the scandalous revelation that Halo 3 runs at “640p” which isn’t even technically a resolution. However, the interweb detectives did notice that Halo 3’s vertical resolution, when captured from a frame buffer, is indeed 640 pixels. So what gives? Did we short change you 80 pixels?

Naturally it’s more complicated than that. In fact, you could argue we gave you 1280 pixels of vertical resolution, since Halo 3 uses not one, but two frame buffers – both of which render at 1152x640 pixels. The reason we chose this slightly unorthodox resolution and this very complex use of two buffers is simple enough to see – lighting. We wanted to preserve as much dynamic range as possible – so we use one for the high dynamic range and one for the low dynamic range values. Both are combined to create the finished on screen image.

This ability to display a full range of HDR, combined with our advanced lighting, material and postprocessing engine, gives our scenes, large and small, a compelling, convincing and ultimately “real” feeling, and at a steady and smooth frame rate, which in the end was far more important to us than the ability to display a few extra pixels. Making this decision simpler still is the fact that the 360 scales the
“almost-720p” image effortlessly all the way up to 1080p if you so desire.

In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it’s practically impossible to discern the difference. We would ignore it entirely were it not for the internet’s propensity for drama where none exists. In fact the reason we haven’t mentioned this before in weekly updates, is the simple fact that it would have distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings."

And finally, Gears 2. That just must be the game to HATE, besides Halo of course. Low-poly charcters? Are you jokin? How can someone seriously type that mess...

What a FAIL. Whats even more FAIL, is all of the SDF acting like this is some fair and balanced comparo from an actual authority on these things, rather than some blogger with Google.

[Nemo88]

But it seems you're missing that multiple sites, including the one we are commenting on compared even Uncharted 1, a late 2007 game, to Gears 2, released last xmas 08, and said its a better technical achievement. Of course theyre not comparing to Halo 3 seriously, that would be a joke.

Also I hope youre not one of those who screamed inferior ps3 when one of the many comparisons pointed out *technically* lower resolutions for ps3, where it made a minute amount of difference to the eye... Maybe these are also cases of compromise with what they could do with the system?

Bungie in your post sound a lot like many of the "SDF" you deem so "full of FAIL".

[Morituri]

Even through your fanboy-tinted glasses this is clear as day. Denial and spouting illogical babble like a mantra will not make any of your
delusions any more real. Why get mad at the truth? What is the source of your discomfort? What? Is "no one has pushed the hardware of the 360 yet" all part of some brilliant plan? After having a good head start and an easier to develop for platform your mommy should be wiping the floor with the ps3 in terms of quality. If only that were the case huh?

Just be honest people. God does not like liars, even if you are lying to yourself.

[Ldubbz]

Im just crushed with denial. How ever will I cope...

I notice that the two of you above love to come at me personally, and yet I see no factual bit of anything to back up whatever it is you are attempting to say.

If this blog was so obviously the truth like you claim it is, what would even be the purpose of this? Ive never seen a PS3 vs Wii comparison or 360 vs Wii comparison. why not? Because thats painfully obvious. If this was as plainly obvious as you say, then this would be a non-issue, and nobody would even bother to read any of this.

But there is no reasoning with certain people, and I have come to accept that. But by all means keep on believing, it just might come true...

[keysy420]

it sucks because some games could really take off if they used the ps3 correctly like if bioshock 2 would have been done correctly

[baodeus]

I do think Infamous look really great and lots of particle effects..however, GT4 does have alot of details. Car damage (if you shoot at the car you can see all the bullet holes. If u just slightly scrape your car against the wall you can see scrape marks right at the contact point. The driving physics were pretty good as well, each car actually feel different. Beside that, the weather effect were pretty good, you can actually see every drop of rain and how the ground actually have wet look when you drive. When it rains a lot more, you can actually see the water spurring behind the tires while driving. GT4 while doesn't look as great, but the subtle details that they incorporate into the game are amazing. I don't know how infamous story will be like, but for sure GT4 story is really good.

It is just me or RE5 looks better than KZ2 (character model is better while KZ has better gun model). RE5 texture is better and the ligthing in RE5 is no slouch either, although KZ2 may still have an edge over RE5 in the lighting. But i still think Fable 2 lighting is better, artistically speaking (no seriously, you guys haven't seen a sun set in a game until u play fable 2).

I guess a lot of you guys probably haven't even play any 360 games. looking at "Lou-Cipher", how far did you get with GT4, it does have boats and helicopters (probably not as much as San Andreas though)

Although i do think PS3 has a little bit more horse power, but the differences so far are pretty minimal. Each has their own strength and weakness. I haven't seen anything mind blowing on PS3 that the Sonyfanboy have been talking about.

But hey, graphic doesn't make good games. There are plenty of good games on both consoles. So what is the matter with Sonyfanboy trying to convert others to follow them? Are you guys turning into Jehova witness or something? Just enjoy your games guys. Same for x360 fanboy.

[Bathyj]

If anyone still doubts the PS3 is more powerful than XB, go to a friends house who has one, get him to put the Behind the Bullet Demo on for you.

That pretty much ends the debate on its own as far as I'm concerned. My XB nearly melted just from sitting next to my PS3 while that demo was playing.

[bigj]

PS3 is in last place so who cares what it is capable of.Tommorrow we can write a article of what the Dreamcast was capable of.Better hardware means nothing as long as people has games.The wii is a prime example its the weakest of the three and look where its at.Who cares what the PS3 is capable of. Sony is going to eventuallly figure out they f_cked up and thats why their in last place.I am tired of hearing about the f_cking cell chip and the bluray player.Speaking of KZ2 look where its sitting at in sales.I thought it was a HALO KILLER.LOL

[peeps]

what does them being in last place have to do with it? haha so you're saying ps3 has amazing games but it doesn't matter because sales are bad lmao what does that say about you...

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

The fact that Killzone 2 didn't outsell Halo 3 tears us all apart on the inside. It's a shame Killzone 2 didn't re-invent multi-player like Halo did or set a new benchmark for console graphics like Halo did or bring us an intricate and involved storyline like Halo did.

Oh, wait...

...it did all of those things a lot BETTER than Halo did.

We don't care what you think of the PS3's placement or its games. We get to enjoy them. You don't. That single fact is destroying you.

See...most PS3 gamers don't really care about the 360's lineup...because it blows chunks from here-on-out.

[BobbySaget]

I have explained this exact issue in several posts. So if you REALLY want to understand why multiplat games are better on the 360, while exclusives seem to be better on the PS3 just take a look at at my old posts. Ignore my flamboyantly fanboyish posts, as i do that for fun.

The short and simple answer is that the PS3 REALLY isn't more powerful by all conclusive means. It simply has the ability to make single-core games look good using the Cell.

The guy who wrote this article, makes us 360 owners look bad. I don't know which console he favors, but his writing is very hard to read, and painfully simple. I almost feel stupid after reading his conclusions.

[Droid Control]

Consider it fullfilled when HEAVY RAIN hits store shelves!

W.O.W, that game looks AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy Sh!t!

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

It's a better machine than the 360.

WE ALL KNOW THIS!

Now...let's argue games.

[Dark-vash]

People this gen tend to glorify graphics...
FFX was better looking, when compared to FF6...

That doesn't mean its a better game...

I still have fun playing my NES :(

[pshizle]

is drinking some sony juice.

[Rock_On_PS4]

Due to time restrictions and it is easy to port games from 360 to PS3. If developers fully utilised the 25Gb of a single layer PS3 Blu-Ray disc. Dual layered Blu-Ray disc is 50Gb. 25 GB per layer of Blu-Ray disc.

The PS3 exclusives may look better in graphics than the 360 exclusives and the PS3 games store more data on a disc than 360 games. The sales of the big PS3 exclusive games have no way been as significant as the big 360 exclusive games. Multi-platform games sell in line with user bases of PS3 and X360.

Due to time and budget constraints over 2 and a half years we have seen glimpses of the PS3s potential. PS3 may not reach its full potential of its 120 frames per second, 4D graphics and 1080p natural resolution graphics.

There is still plenty of time left. 7 and a half years. 10 year PS3 plan is here to stay and would take most of that time for Sony to make enough money to break even on the PS3.

[mmike855]

But the writer needs to pay more attention to consistency of language and grammatical elements.

[bjornbear]

The only reason why PS3 fanboys exist is due to the 360 fanboys, and to an extent, vice versa. It's happened before with Nintendo / Sega fanboys, and its ever since been laughed at...

http://www.urbandictionary....

Read this, and don't you dare deny it you know who you are if you are a fanboy:

360 is clearly inferior to the PS3 as a console, consider the last 6 months, and will be left behind eating dust in the next up coming year.

PS3 is just not as powerful as the 360, because 360 sells far more and therefore, has far more games available, so its a far better console if you just want to play video games.

If you feel any urge to disprove those points in order to justify and defend the fact that you blew 400$ on either console, you are a fanboy.

The essance is, who cares? I understand it hurts to have the console you invested so much time and money on just be laughed at and looked down on by others. Its natural, people have the same sort of reaction with sports teams, television shows, etc...just not to such a pathetic extent.

Stop wasting time on forums stating that "360 fanboys are drunk lozers tht only knw halo and gow and can't get over their own testostorone" or that "ps3 fanboys r little wincy girls that play interactive movies and orgasm everytime they buy a blu-ray movie to compensate for any lack of games"...

...and just go play videogames...