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Microsoft's Xbox 360 goes 65nm: Falcon Dissection and Power Consumption

While there's no conclusive way of proving whether or not these new Xbox 360s will reduce the chances of the dreaded RRoD, the geek in AnandTech couldn't help but try out one of these babies, test it and take it apart.

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Hapimeses6015d ago (Edited 6015d ago )

That was a fascinating read. I'll admit to ignorance regarding RRoD and what caused it, and am surprised to see that this ignorance is fairly widespread, with a lot of supposition going around regarding it's true nature, and little in the way of truth to be found. I only know that of the three people I know with an Xbox360 (my brother, and two of my closest friends), one has suffered from RRoD (the friend in question, Steve, has yet to contact Microsoft about it yet as he's a bit annoyed and really lazy); all their consoles are less than 6 months old.

I was also interested to read how the chips and internal structures were changing (or not), and what sort of a difference these changes made to the use of the machine (unfortunately, no difference to the noise). However, I was a little shocked to read that the newer chips and heat sinks may only have a small, or perhaps even no, difference to the instance of RRoD. Given that I was considering purchasing an Xbox to play online with different friends of mine, and to try out Mass Effect (I love Bioware), I'll admit I'm not so sure now.

Is RRoD really that common?

I know that this site is proliferated with die-hard fans of one console or the other, but we're all gamers in the end, and want the best experiences. So, time to ask a question, in the hope people will answer in a mature and balanced fashion:

Is there anyone out there that has suffered RRoD first hand (not a brother, or cousin, or friend, or pet, or whatnot)?

If it is as prevalent as some people seem to claim, surely upwards of a third of Xbox users would have to say yes? This seems a little unlikely to me, or there would surely be more people being rationally annoyed with Microsoft on this site (rather than randomly spouting off because they own a PS3, or Wii, or just hate Microsoft, or whatever). After all, when I buy a product, I don't expect it to only last for 3 years. I've bought about 6 different consoles in my time, and only one has broken down (a very abused launch PS2 after 6 years of constant use). Will the same stand for a 360? Have I any chance of using the same Xbox 360 5 years later at all? If not, I'm sorely disappointed. Can anyone set me straight here?

Thanks in advance.

:)

nirwanda6015d ago (Edited 6015d ago )

I just got mine back and it does sound a little quieter and has non of the cracking noises it used to get,
my friend fixes them himself he's just bought a core back to life the main problem he say's is with the x-clamps that hold the heatsinks to the chips they are made of metal and expand at a different rate to the heatsinks and dislodge the heatsink from the chips.

this is why the towel trick works the x-clamps heat up when it gets to a certain heat they snap the heatsink back into place

tell your friend that it's just a simple phone call to ms no questions asked (except for various stuff like serial num and a check on the power supply and cables) and they send someone to you to pick it up free of charge(no postage) and drop it back off in just under 3 weeks

zaything6015d ago

It happened to me twice my friend twice and my cousin once. As fair as not hearing much about it thats MS's money and influence in the business world keeping it as quiet as possible and getting people to claim its a minor annoyance and how micro is taking great care of there customers when in fact no other manufacturer would accept a 14% failure rate there would be a recall extending the warranty is just away to try to get out of replacing every 360 in knowing even with the defect some will last longer than 3 years and having your xbox gone for a month is a major pain not a minor annoyance. To be fair though there are 3 other xboxs i know of going strong

Hapimeses6015d ago

@nirwanda:
Yeah, Steve knows what he's got to do, but, as I said, he's really lazy.
Bit of a shame really, as he hasn't played Halo yet (it's been down for a while).

So, I trust yours died then? Can I ask how long it lasted?

@zaything:
Ouch, that sounds pretty bad. Does anyone else feel it's as high as a 14% failure rate? I've heard both higher and lower, but the stories here are far from filling me with confidence.

Gamespot-equals-EGM6015d ago (Edited 6015d ago )

I don't know about the new Falcon systems but the failure rate of the Xbox 360 was about 30%, not 14%. Which is god aweful.

http://techdigest.tv/2007/0...

nirwanda6015d ago

It lasted just under 2years it was a uk launch console and lasted nearly 2 years of near constant use

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The Real Joker6015d ago

Well I have a 360 and about 6 friends that do also. Out of the bunch, one has had the RROD. So what is that like 16%? lol

BloodySinner6015d ago

Based on what you just told us, it's 16.7%.

Tsalagi6015d ago

That's too small of a group to make a judgment though. Now if everyone in your town owned one and the defect rate was 14% i would be worried.

Out of me and all my friends who own a 360 just me and my brother have had them fail (me two and him one). Hopefully these new chips will finally get whatever is causing it fixed.

Hapimeses6015d ago (Edited 6015d ago )

@Death Eater:
May I ask how long you have had your machines? Are they launch consoles? Or are they all new consoles bought fairly recently?

@Tsalgi:
Again, may I ask you how old your machines are? Old or new? I've spotted on other forums that it tends to be older launch consoles that are most prone to RRoDing, and I'm hoping my mate's relatively new one collapsing is an isolated case.

And two for you alone? That's pretty rough! Are you still happy with Microsoft? I'd be pissed! Did it take a month each time to replace it, or was your story a little different?

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@ThaGeNeCySt: Wow! That's far from promising news. The only bit that sounds good is the two years of play thing; but that's what I would expect, so doesn't really overwhelm me.

So, I trust you are still happy with the games and quality of the experience (the bit I think we can all agree looks good), but how do you feel about the quality of the machine itslf? As it stands, I'm not sure I want to buy into it at all, as it looks like a disaster waiting to happen. Is that a mistake?

ThaGeNeCySt6015d ago

it's a systematic crash lol... I had my xbox360 from november 05 to october 07 (got my replacement 2 thursdays ago after about 11 business days without it).. I guess I had a good run after many hours of playing on almost a daily basis... my older brother has had his 360 for almost a year, no problems... a friend of mine bought his 360 from another friend.. his died and is in the process of being repaired.. another friend of mine had a dead 360 from launch... got it replaced the next day... lasted a year, then RRoD... smh @ Microsoft...

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Vojkan6015d ago

Xbox 360 is CRAP! I have it and PS3 and Wii, so all of those that just have 360 SHUT UP!!! Don't even try to tell me otherwise when you have just that system and can't compare it to superiority of PS3.

PS3 is MASTERsystem

Xbox 360 sub-system and it should die!

Muahahahahahahah

TheMART6015d ago

Right. You have one. Really. Sure.

PS3 is a master system indeed. A MasterBluRay system

Silver Bull3t6015d ago

Maybe you can trade them all in on some fuking brains. Go back to playing with blocks Timmy.

felidae6015d ago

get a life.

both systems offer something great.

right now, some multiplatform games are really better on the 360.

i said many bad things about the 360 in the last months but after playing some of the multi-games on both systems i really have to agree that most of them run and look better on the xbox 360 (skate, Jericho, Simpsons, Darkness, F.E.A.R., Tiger Woods 08)

don't get me wrong - i love my PS3 and playing Ratchet is so much fun. can't wait for Uncharted. but i also can't wait for Mass Effect because both will be great games, that's for sure.

all the bashing makes no sense - and this also goes out to people like TheMART because if games like Uncharted, HS, Ratchet and Folklore get good reviews - why miss them? i think if you want to play all the great games you should own every system. it's always easy to say that everything for the xbox 360 is better but if you only own a xbox 360, you have no rights to say that.

and in the end, everybody can play and like what he wants.

now give me a Wii so i can play SMG and MP: Corruption, god damn!

BIGBAER6015d ago

Did nasim give it a tug?

You can put it back now. We already know you're an idiot.

By the way do you have to wear a helmet when you ride the short bus? And where'd you find one so big?

ry-guy6015d ago

I hope Sega is calling up their lawyers because last time I checked Sega owns the original Master System ;)

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MrWonderful6015d ago

as long as my elite dosent crap out im cool. i got 2 premiums that gotRRoD that are collecting dust right now so i might try to fix them and mod them

bednet6015d ago

Gees, talk about wasting money...can't MS repair them?

You could probably buy a new gaming PC with all that money...I know, I know, thing don't always happen the way you'd like. But seriously, you bought it 3 times!!!

Hapimeses6015d ago

So, you're on to your third machine, yes? Doesn't that seem excessive to you? I only ever bought 1 N64, or 1 PS1, and both still work well. You seem to be suggesting that the liklihood of the Xbox doing the same is pretty low. Is that right?

I keep hearing that the newer machines are much more reliable. But, given Steve's experience (see my first post), and given just how poor the first machines seem to be, I'm really scared that I may be buying a timebomb. Given how many machines seem to have broken down in such a short period of time (only 2 years), how much worse may it be getting soon? What do you think to that?

Ignorant Fanboy6015d ago

Your stupid if you just keep buying a new one, we still have another year of free warranty, no matter when you bought it.

ShiftyLookingCow6015d ago

That was really informative. I hope Jasper pretty much kills RROD.

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"Unlock the Force: Get the Cantina Band Jam Track in Fortnite's Star Wars Event

Discover how to acquire the iconic Cantina Band Jam Track in the Fortnite x Star Wars collaboration. Gear up for an intergalactic musical journey in Fortnite's latest event.

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It's good SLI is dead and buried - and my wallet agrees

Kevin writes: "Multi-GPU gaming was one of those things that seemed like a good idea for as long as it lasted. I mean honestly, the idea of a modular approach to graphics upgrades – be that SLI or CrossFire – was brilliant. I repeat, the idea was brilliant."

darthv722d ago

Im old school... when i hear the term SLI, I immediately think of 3dfx. I still have a pair of 12mb Monster V2's in an old rig. I never tried out the more modern take on SLI or Crossfire for that matter.

Vits2d ago

I mean, it was mostly for bragging rights. It was a very temperamental tech that improved with newer iterations, for sure. But folks like myself, who have used it, probably recall that troubleshooting was an integral part of the experience and the value that you got out of the setup was really low.

However, none of that mattered because it looked sick as hell on a well-built PC.

babadivad1d 16h ago

It really did look amazing.

Wretchedstain2d ago

I remember doing my research at the time 😂 I got 2 GTX 460's, as they in SLI were meant to be better than the 480 at the time. Not all games were optimised at the time, which meant some games meant setting them up for 1 card alone. Never forget the time I came home from night shift, turned on my computer like normal, went and made a cuppa, come back and it was still off. Tried to turn on again, and one of the 460's caught fire... good times.

shaenoide1d 23h ago

Why ? For the price of two SLI cards you only get one RqtX card now...

OpenGL1d 19h ago

Exactly what I was thinking. When SLI was around an Nvidia flagship card was $700, less than half the price of their current flagship.

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Games That Were Bad on Release, But Are Now Great

BLG writes, "Some of the most popular games have had a rough start, with some of them being downright unplayable.

Despite that, developers have managed to turn it around for them and make their game worth playing. Here are some games that had a rough start but were pretty great."

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Terry_B2d ago

Good list..hoped to see Street Fighter 5 there..and it is.

Vits2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Sea of Thieves... I'm not disagreeing that the game has improved in terms of content. But I feel that the most significant change between now and its release is actually the public perception. Nowadays, most people are aware that the game is a multiplayer PvP-focused experience first and foremost, and not "Black Flag made by Rare". Consequently, people dismissing the whole experience because the single-player aspect is lacking or the story is plain are much less common.

darthv722d ago

Several years ago, i submitted an idea to Rare that would change up the mechanics of battling opponents in the game. whereby if you died in battle, you turned into a skeleton warrior and had to fight your way back to the land of the living. It was an interesting twist on respawning and would allow the player to experience both sides of a battle.

I keep hoping to see something like that get added to the game.

Kaii2d ago

They consider FO 76 & ME Andromeda to be great now 🤭

anast2d ago

Every game in the last 2 decades...

INMATEofARKHAM2d ago

It's sad that this quick retort is more often than not true... The industry's acceptance of release and patch has gone too far.

gunnerforlife1d 18h ago

Days gone! By the end of the game I couldn't drop it down! I went around so many hours killing zombies! It was addictive by the end.

S2Killinit1d 14h ago

That game was just plain good game. It didnt improve, it was just good.

gunnerforlife1d 12h ago

I don't know, I got it abit late, and struggled for a few days, and then all of a sudden it just got good!!

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