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PS3 has "much more" power to use still, says Cage

PS3 is already in its sixth year and there's still no concrete word on a PS4. Developers have made some beautiful games with the hardware, but even this far into the lifecycle of the machine there's still plenty of horsepower to draw upon, judging by the beautiful Kara video that Quantic Dream showed us this week at GDC. Quantic Dream's David Cage told GamesIndustry International that Sony's hardware has "much more" to offer.

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Abash4460d ago

Thats a reason I cant get hyped for next gen, the PS3 still feels like it has a few more years left in it

360GamerFG4460d ago

Until you pop in something that requires RAM like Skyrim and you realise next gen come come fast enough.

TimeSkipLuffy4460d ago

Unfortunately that is true and I have to admit it. But still we get a lot of games to enjoy exclusively on PS3 which is really great. If the PS4 would be backwards compatible and it would run the previous games better because of the RAM, it could just be a killer console! ^^

rdgneoz34460d ago

With the bugs it had causing performance issues before any patches, you did need a lot of RAM...

Hicken4460d ago

Skyrim's issue is on the developer side, not the hardware side. They released a buggy game; the PS3 doesn't make the bugs.

I'd like to say "nice try" about your trolling attempt... but you suck at it.

TheUnbiasedLion4460d ago

No idea why you are being disagreed for that comment because its true RAM RAM RAM RAM RAM!

THC CELL4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

@FinancialGamer ya mean till developers stop been lazy u mean

Naughty dog and co has proved the ps3 power every 2 years or so and QD are just telling us how it is

go bum 3rd party developers..
they cant do a game right on ps3 as they are restricted to 3rd party software and xbox

btw read up on ps v sdk looks like they can make games but not at uncharted level as they have to be full ps developers to achieve tha..

what next halo 4 looks better than any ps3 exclusive or will the new defense none gaming force come in ipad 3 pff

Bordel_19004460d ago

@FinancialGamer

I agree.

I think the lack of RAM on the PS3 is holding it back a lot.

A PS3 with 1GB RAM would really show what the PS3 is capable of.

dark-hollow4460d ago

@the cell.

Skyrim and uncharted are way different ate how they use sources.
You can't compare any games graphics as apples to apples.

For one thing, skyrim is an open world game with lots of interactive NPCs, enemies, etc.

No game comes close to the scale of skyrim.
The ps3 IS hard to develop for.
Not weak, only hard to develop.
That's why Sony are changing their ways and you can see this from how easy it is to develop for the vita.

Sony first party developers are directly supported by Sony and only works on one version but third party developers have to worry about two, three platforms.

Bordel_19004460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

Also when you've split memory between 256MB XDR and 256MB GDDR RAM it complicates things even more.

This is not so good. Optimal would be 256MB XDR RAM and 512MB GDDR. The PS3 would be on a different level.

nveenio4460d ago

Let's not forget that Cage was talking about more horsepower from his last game. Heavy Rain looked great, but it was very static. No physics, no AI. I'm not surprised that they can get more out of the system, and I'm looking forward to it.

This "PS3 would be better with more RAM" talk is ridiculous. Let it die, already. If third party devs can't put enough resources into developing for PS3 so that they compete with first party devs, then that sucks. But it's not a RAM problem. Sure, RAM might make straight ports easier, but that's not what makes the PS3 what it is. The CELL processor is what makes the PS3 both difficult and amazing.

That's what makes the future of the Playstatiin brand so interesting. Will Sony go for something easy, or will they continue on a path that elevates their first party games above the competition? I don't know about you, but I can't wait to find out. Sony and their first party teams have worked hard for my loyalty this gen, and I'll be letting them lead the way to the PS4 with an open mind and a little trust,

Pushagree4460d ago

PS3 was maxed out with uncharted 2.

ChrisW4460d ago

dark-hollow,

Even when comparing apples to oranges, there are similarities. Both are fruit, both come from trees, and both have vitamin C.

nveenio4460d ago

Pfff.... You obviously haven't played Uncharted 3. It does things that make Uncharted 2 seem last gen (though the wow factor for Uncharted 2 was bigger at the time).

_LarZen_4460d ago

Dont mix sloppy coding and the lack of hardware.

The_Nameless_One4460d ago

Some truth in it, but in Skyrim's case it's also an Engine issue and not just up to the hardware. It's all in how your engine uses the resources allotted to it. In Skyrim's case, the engine wasn't created specifically for the PS3 and it has to work on multiple platform. If you notice the best looking games on consoles this generation are mostly exclusives. Make a top 5 list of the best looking console games and just see how many games the PS3 has and see that they are all exclusives.

Army_of_Darkness4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

Skyrim vs. Infamous 2( console version) Easily infamous 2 destroys it visually in every way and performance wise...

FPS on consoles, Killzone 3 still stays dominant. Rage, BF3 and crysis 2 looks good and all, but graphically and performance wise, KZ3 is better still in my opinion.

3rd person shooter, obviously uncharted 3.

action hack n slash, God of war 3. That game still looks amazing even compared to anything currently out now( and it's only $15 brand new!).

so yes, I agree... PS3 still has more juice in it;)

memots4460d ago

Ram ROD !!

SAY IT .. Say it !!

I wrote it down,

gamingdroid4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

Enough empty talk about how the issue isn't RAM, but not enough optimization and devs are lazy talk.

If it is like every one is saying then tell me how you solve the problem that Rage has with lots of texture pop-ins on the PS3 version compared to the Xbox 360 version.

How do you optimize to reach parity with other platforms on texture pop-in if you don't have enough VRAM?

If you can answer that within reason, I'm pretty sure you can get an instant job as a game developer/programmer!

Fact is, optimization isn't ALWAYS the answer. Hardware DO HAVE A LIMIT and so does practical use of human resources!

DeadlyFire4459d ago

Its not the RAM's fault really. I blame developer. RAM is still 512 just like Xbox 360. Its just split and most developers that slap a title on PS3 ignore that and push it all to lean on one 256 MB side or the other to much so. Thinking that because its clocked to run same speed as CPU that the main RAM can handle most of it.

lover20124459d ago (Edited 4459d ago )

@financialgamer
lol
then take your time telling me why those
"open world games" looks the best on ps3
la noire /saints raw 3/AC/both batman/both infamous/prototype
you can look at the H2H all you want

skyrim problems was to engine issues
not ps3 fault
wow
i can't believe that there is fanboys still stuck in 2007
well, financialgamer
you and the people who agree with you just prove that those fanboys still stuck in that era

@Pushagree
it seems that you have never seen or played uncharted 3/killzone 3/god of war 3
or never seen the last guardian
or the last of us or cage teach demo on PS3

lover20124459d ago (Edited 4459d ago )

@gamingdroid

"If it is like every one is saying then tell me how you solve the problem that Rage has with lots of texture pop-ins on the PS3 version compared to the Xbox 360 version"

lol
talking about RAGE ???
it's not even close to bf3 on consoles let alone a game like uncharted 2 or 3
the game was mess on pc too
i think it was a mess on pc because the RAM too right .. RIGHT ?? WRONG
they built the game on xbox then port it poorly to pc/ps3
there is a reason why it didn't won a single award in "consoles" gfx
while uncharted 3 cleaned all the consoles gfx awards

uncharted 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
look at how many gfx award uncharted 3 won and compare those gfx awards to any game on consoles in any year

humbleopinion4459d ago

Developers managed to get it running fine on both PC and Xbox 360, so it's defo not developers fault.

This is getting pathetic. What's next? Wii owners claiming that Modern Warfare runs at 480p30 because of lazy development?

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kaveti66164460d ago

The day has come and gone when developers are only limited by their imaginations.

Sony can choose to force developers to work with the PS3 for as long as they want. That's the only thing that gives PS3 its life.

RAM is dirt cheap. And yet I still read fools on this site saying the stupidest crap: "4 gigabytes would be overkill. Next gen doesn't need more than 2 gigs." Please, let them overkill it, so we don't have to deal with these bullshit bottlenecks again.

The only reason you should have for not wanting next gen consoles is if you know you won't be able to afford them.

DigitalAnalog4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

True. But console designers want it to be the most cost effective possible. Seeing as this gen can reach the 50+ million range. Even adding $1 to their production cost would be costly. Sure, for the average PC user, they could spend 20 extra to get higher ram, but try to produce millions upon millions would hurt the manufacturing costs in the long run. Nevermind the fact that they may be unable to utilize the updated RAM chipsets in the console's lifecycle due to compatibility issues.

xxLuckyStrike4460d ago

Of course it does!!! It's super computer zent from zee future : /

EVILDEAD3604460d ago

'RAM is dirt cheap'

It cost Micrsoft an extra BILLION to put the RAM that Epic convinced them to ultimately go with.

Didn't know a billion dollars was 'dirt cheap'

Evil

Arnon4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

RAM costs are relevant to the socket. DDR2 is dirt cheap compared to DDR3, and a higher end card such as the GTX 500 (560+) series with 1 GB of GDDR5 can cost $250 minimum, which isn't "Dirt cheap". Also, RAM for a laptop may cost more than a desktop due to it being a proprietary product.

Also, one needs to factor in that the RAM in a console is going to be specifically designed to work with the console to work around imminent bottlenecks. Consoles are technically dumbed down gaming PC's, but they still are designed in a way that makes them proprietary.

At most for next gen consoles, I would reasonably guess 2 GB DDR3, with a GPU that's hopefully running 512 MB GDDR5.

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AllroundGamer4460d ago

i think only the cell processor can be still pushed more to it's limit, but as stated by other people here, ram is definitely an issue already, and also the gpu.

ATi_Elite4460d ago

your correct!

The Cell is fine!

the issue is low Ram and the Weak Sauce Nvidia GPU!

Persistantthug4460d ago

Same will be true next year as well.

Anon19744460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

I agree. It's hard to argue the results when we continually see better and better games coming out. Back in 2006, I played Gears and was blown away. I thought "This is where next gen starts. From here on in, I expect we'll see more and more games of this caliber." And I waited but until Gears 2, nothing was able to top it.

The progression of visuals on the PS3 has been steady since it's release which is one of the reasons why it eventually replaced my 360 as the most played console in my house. That and hardware issues. I'd say MS dropped the ball on this one, but clearly they picked it up again and hit it out of the park with how successful the 360 has been since Kinect's launch. That just doesn't help me at all as I'm not a fan of motion gaming.

ATi_Elite4460d ago

REALLY!

Then make a AAA game that runs at 1080p!

The PS3/360 are MAXED out and have been for a long time! All this "Much more power left" talk is crap when in reality Devs are just figuring out how to TWEAK their game engines to run more efficiently within the confines of the systems.

So what the Devs should say is "We are getting better at optimizing our Game Engines".

DigitalAnalog4460d ago

The real question is, whether that power would be utilized for resolution or graphics? If the market would demand for 1080p/60fps on the PS3 then we wouldn't get the likes of GOWIII, Killzone 3 or Uncharted 3.

Personally, if the option DOES exist, I wouldn't mind a reduction in graphical quality in favor of 1080p/60fps at the same time I want the highest graphical fidelity on 720p/30fps

Arnon4460d ago

That doesn't help your case, though. Stating that the developers would have to either focus on resolution, or pixel count only stems from the fact that the console is reaching a bottleneck.

When Cage states "much more power", this would signify that there is some ancient power that hasn't been unlocked yet. ATI_Elite is correct in stating that they're only working to optimize their engines within the confines of the systems hardware capabilities.

StraightPath4460d ago

mutliplaform games suffer
limited ram games suffer and also the features on the console its self

yeah sure next gen is needed both of xbox and ps3.

bebojet4460d ago

I think Sony should come up with a redesigned PS3. Kind of like what Nintendo did with the Wii or Apple's Iphone 4 - 4S. Just add more RAM and a faster blue ray player and that's it. This way the console won't be too expensive and PlayStation will rule next gen.

ChickeyCantor4460d ago

Perhaps it has some years left, but you won't see drastic changes.

No one with the right mind can say that PS3 will hold up well for another few years if the others are ramping up for a new console.

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cyborg4460d ago

I do think the PlayStation 3 still has some time left. I can't say the same for the Xbox 360 though, that's showing its age like an old lady does.

torchic4460d ago

oh yea he called? what did he say? how long was the call?

Intentions4460d ago

Of course both X360 and Ps3 has power/time left because they both run on electricity. Without power they cannot be used at all.

Lol.

OT: I don't really care if next gen comes out or not. I just know that I will be ready for it.

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_Aarix_4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

Epic games said more can be pulled from the 360 even after gears of war 3 so I cant really see how its "showing its colors" whenever games like halo 4 are coming out. They both have the same amount of ram so theyre both showing their colors.

Gazondaily4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

/puke

PS3 fanboyism gets rewarded here with 27 agrees, 14disagrees. You sheep.

EDIT- HOLD ON- financial gamer gets marked for trolling for saying:

"SKYRIM called. . .yeah, I went there. PS3 has the RAM of a Nokia 3310 "

yet cyborg gets more agrees for saying:

"I can't say the same for the Xbox 360 though, that's showing its age like an old lady does."

Pathetic.

undisputed4460d ago

In a sales article, a PS3 fan gets disagrees for saying that Sony is doing well, while a 360 fan cries doom and gloom and gets more agrees than disagrees.

Cry me a river.

undisputed4460d ago

The truth hurts, I know.

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Outside_ofthe_Box4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

Yeah, I've been saying that.

http://n4g.com/news/954238/...

PC fanboys like to think that it has already been maxed out though and are clamoring for next gen only for them to point how many X amount of years High-End PCs are ahead of the 720 and PS4.

Pandamobile4460d ago

It's hard to "max out" any hardware. If you given a static box for 6 years, you start to learn tricks and workarounds for all of its many shortcomings, especially for rendering.

The thing is, these workarounds and tricks take tons of development time to figure out, and that's time that could be better spent elsewhere as opposed to sitting for a month and trying to figure out how to cram this insane amount of game data into a 256 MB memory bank.

That's why we need next gen.

GamingTruth4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

shortcomings from a platform with a chip used in sony pictures studios, if ps3 has shortcomings then every platform including your precious pc has them also

and outside of the box, if your listening to pc fans thats good cause youll be all the more surprised when ps3 pushes out even more games that annihilate even uncharted 3

Pandamobile4460d ago

"shortcomings from a platform with a chip used in sony pictures studios"

First off, are you trying to make yourself sound as dimwitted as possible?

Obviously, no piece of computer hardware is perfect. Why do you think it's one of the fastest moving industries in the world?

kaveti66164460d ago

"more games that annihilate even uncharted 3"

Nothing is going to annihilate Uncharted 3 on PS3 from now on. Minor improvements that aren't noticeable don't impress anybody.

piroh4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

"That's why we need next gen"
sounds strange from a PC gamer

anyway, Kara is the best looking thing i ever saw in real time, so there it is

IGN - best graphics 2011 - Uncharted 3
VGA - Best graphics 2011 - Uncharted 3
keep it going PS3, that's called evolution. nothing else to say

lover20124459d ago (Edited 4459d ago )

ps3 use 512MB not 256MB

"The PS3 has 256MB of XDR Main RAM @ 3.2GHz and 256MB of GDDR3 VRAM @ 700MHz, for a total of 512MB"
http://playstation.about.co...
just how much misinformed are you ??

@piroh
here is he long list of gfx awards for uncharted 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
I'm laughing at the fact you have disagrees when you stating facts

Pandamobile4459d ago

The PS3 has 256 MB of RAM. It also has 256 MB of VRAM.

That doesn't add up to 512 MB of RAM because the two are mutually exclusive.

piroh4459d ago

wow, i never knew U3 won also Best Visual Design in Edge, since Edge is very strict

thx for the link lover2012, very informative
so many awards for U3...

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GamingTruth4460d ago

thats some pretty funny stuff yes, but there is also some things you should consider, why would naughty dog be making a game called the last of us let alone uncharted 3, and why is guerilla games working on 3 new projects? my friend you can keep laughing and ps3 will keep pushing out better visuals

Hufandpuf4460d ago

I'm not interested in debating about the PS3, I'm just sick of hearing these false claims.

Godmars2904460d ago

Just like Halo 4 devs saying the 360 has nothing left?

If this gen has shown me anything, as messed up as it is, its that devs have different understanding of consoles.

No one devs claims should be taken as definitive.

Fishy Fingers4460d ago (Edited 4460d ago )

My favourite... God Of War 3 uses "less than 50% of the PS3"

Which makes you wonder, why we've only seen minor improvements since? Must be lazy devs right? Or maybe people believe a little to much of what the read.

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Drainage4460d ago

at the cost of what? content? frame rate? no thanks.

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Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"

"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

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1nsomniac2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai1d 20h ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19721d 11h ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

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@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19721d 11h ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

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XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz1d 9h ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay1d 9h ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

RaiderNation20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Progress is inevitable. Nobody driving cars today is complaining that the horse and buggy is no longer around. Yes, some jobs will be lost but guess what? With innovation comes new job opportunities. It's how the cycle of the job market works.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

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Profchaos30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers30d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken29d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g30d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing30d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H930d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola30d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66930d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle30d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

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jznrpg31d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos31d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola30d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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