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PS3 has "much more" power to use still, says Cage

PS3 is already in its sixth year and there's still no concrete word on a PS4. Developers have made some beautiful games with the hardware, but even this far into the lifecycle of the machine there's still plenty of horsepower to draw upon, judging by the beautiful Kara video that Quantic Dream showed us this week at GDC. Quantic Dream's David Cage told GamesIndustry International that Sony's hardware has "much more" to offer.

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Abash4447d ago

Thats a reason I cant get hyped for next gen, the PS3 still feels like it has a few more years left in it

360GamerFG4447d ago

Until you pop in something that requires RAM like Skyrim and you realise next gen come come fast enough.

TimeSkipLuffy4447d ago

Unfortunately that is true and I have to admit it. But still we get a lot of games to enjoy exclusively on PS3 which is really great. If the PS4 would be backwards compatible and it would run the previous games better because of the RAM, it could just be a killer console! ^^

rdgneoz34447d ago

With the bugs it had causing performance issues before any patches, you did need a lot of RAM...

Hicken4447d ago

Skyrim's issue is on the developer side, not the hardware side. They released a buggy game; the PS3 doesn't make the bugs.

I'd like to say "nice try" about your trolling attempt... but you suck at it.

TheUnbiasedLion4447d ago

No idea why you are being disagreed for that comment because its true RAM RAM RAM RAM RAM!

THC CELL4447d ago (Edited 4447d ago )

@FinancialGamer ya mean till developers stop been lazy u mean

Naughty dog and co has proved the ps3 power every 2 years or so and QD are just telling us how it is

go bum 3rd party developers..
they cant do a game right on ps3 as they are restricted to 3rd party software and xbox

btw read up on ps v sdk looks like they can make games but not at uncharted level as they have to be full ps developers to achieve tha..

what next halo 4 looks better than any ps3 exclusive or will the new defense none gaming force come in ipad 3 pff

Bordel_19004447d ago

@FinancialGamer

I agree.

I think the lack of RAM on the PS3 is holding it back a lot.

A PS3 with 1GB RAM would really show what the PS3 is capable of.

dark-hollow4447d ago

@the cell.

Skyrim and uncharted are way different ate how they use sources.
You can't compare any games graphics as apples to apples.

For one thing, skyrim is an open world game with lots of interactive NPCs, enemies, etc.

No game comes close to the scale of skyrim.
The ps3 IS hard to develop for.
Not weak, only hard to develop.
That's why Sony are changing their ways and you can see this from how easy it is to develop for the vita.

Sony first party developers are directly supported by Sony and only works on one version but third party developers have to worry about two, three platforms.

Bordel_19004447d ago (Edited 4447d ago )

Also when you've split memory between 256MB XDR and 256MB GDDR RAM it complicates things even more.

This is not so good. Optimal would be 256MB XDR RAM and 512MB GDDR. The PS3 would be on a different level.

nveenio4446d ago

Let's not forget that Cage was talking about more horsepower from his last game. Heavy Rain looked great, but it was very static. No physics, no AI. I'm not surprised that they can get more out of the system, and I'm looking forward to it.

This "PS3 would be better with more RAM" talk is ridiculous. Let it die, already. If third party devs can't put enough resources into developing for PS3 so that they compete with first party devs, then that sucks. But it's not a RAM problem. Sure, RAM might make straight ports easier, but that's not what makes the PS3 what it is. The CELL processor is what makes the PS3 both difficult and amazing.

That's what makes the future of the Playstatiin brand so interesting. Will Sony go for something easy, or will they continue on a path that elevates their first party games above the competition? I don't know about you, but I can't wait to find out. Sony and their first party teams have worked hard for my loyalty this gen, and I'll be letting them lead the way to the PS4 with an open mind and a little trust,

Pushagree4446d ago

PS3 was maxed out with uncharted 2.

ChrisW4446d ago

dark-hollow,

Even when comparing apples to oranges, there are similarities. Both are fruit, both come from trees, and both have vitamin C.

nveenio4446d ago

Pfff.... You obviously haven't played Uncharted 3. It does things that make Uncharted 2 seem last gen (though the wow factor for Uncharted 2 was bigger at the time).

_LarZen_4446d ago

Dont mix sloppy coding and the lack of hardware.

The_Nameless_One4446d ago

Some truth in it, but in Skyrim's case it's also an Engine issue and not just up to the hardware. It's all in how your engine uses the resources allotted to it. In Skyrim's case, the engine wasn't created specifically for the PS3 and it has to work on multiple platform. If you notice the best looking games on consoles this generation are mostly exclusives. Make a top 5 list of the best looking console games and just see how many games the PS3 has and see that they are all exclusives.

Army_of_Darkness4446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

Skyrim vs. Infamous 2( console version) Easily infamous 2 destroys it visually in every way and performance wise...

FPS on consoles, Killzone 3 still stays dominant. Rage, BF3 and crysis 2 looks good and all, but graphically and performance wise, KZ3 is better still in my opinion.

3rd person shooter, obviously uncharted 3.

action hack n slash, God of war 3. That game still looks amazing even compared to anything currently out now( and it's only $15 brand new!).

so yes, I agree... PS3 still has more juice in it;)

memots4446d ago

Ram ROD !!

SAY IT .. Say it !!

I wrote it down,

gamingdroid4446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

Enough empty talk about how the issue isn't RAM, but not enough optimization and devs are lazy talk.

If it is like every one is saying then tell me how you solve the problem that Rage has with lots of texture pop-ins on the PS3 version compared to the Xbox 360 version.

How do you optimize to reach parity with other platforms on texture pop-in if you don't have enough VRAM?

If you can answer that within reason, I'm pretty sure you can get an instant job as a game developer/programmer!

Fact is, optimization isn't ALWAYS the answer. Hardware DO HAVE A LIMIT and so does practical use of human resources!

DeadlyFire4446d ago

Its not the RAM's fault really. I blame developer. RAM is still 512 just like Xbox 360. Its just split and most developers that slap a title on PS3 ignore that and push it all to lean on one 256 MB side or the other to much so. Thinking that because its clocked to run same speed as CPU that the main RAM can handle most of it.

lover20124446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

@financialgamer
lol
then take your time telling me why those
"open world games" looks the best on ps3
la noire /saints raw 3/AC/both batman/both infamous/prototype
you can look at the H2H all you want

skyrim problems was to engine issues
not ps3 fault
wow
i can't believe that there is fanboys still stuck in 2007
well, financialgamer
you and the people who agree with you just prove that those fanboys still stuck in that era

@Pushagree
it seems that you have never seen or played uncharted 3/killzone 3/god of war 3
or never seen the last guardian
or the last of us or cage teach demo on PS3

lover20124446d ago (Edited 4445d ago )

@gamingdroid

"If it is like every one is saying then tell me how you solve the problem that Rage has with lots of texture pop-ins on the PS3 version compared to the Xbox 360 version"

lol
talking about RAGE ???
it's not even close to bf3 on consoles let alone a game like uncharted 2 or 3
the game was mess on pc too
i think it was a mess on pc because the RAM too right .. RIGHT ?? WRONG
they built the game on xbox then port it poorly to pc/ps3
there is a reason why it didn't won a single award in "consoles" gfx
while uncharted 3 cleaned all the consoles gfx awards

uncharted 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
look at how many gfx award uncharted 3 won and compare those gfx awards to any game on consoles in any year

humbleopinion4445d ago

Developers managed to get it running fine on both PC and Xbox 360, so it's defo not developers fault.

This is getting pathetic. What's next? Wii owners claiming that Modern Warfare runs at 480p30 because of lazy development?

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kaveti66164447d ago

The day has come and gone when developers are only limited by their imaginations.

Sony can choose to force developers to work with the PS3 for as long as they want. That's the only thing that gives PS3 its life.

RAM is dirt cheap. And yet I still read fools on this site saying the stupidest crap: "4 gigabytes would be overkill. Next gen doesn't need more than 2 gigs." Please, let them overkill it, so we don't have to deal with these bullshit bottlenecks again.

The only reason you should have for not wanting next gen consoles is if you know you won't be able to afford them.

DigitalAnalog4446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

True. But console designers want it to be the most cost effective possible. Seeing as this gen can reach the 50+ million range. Even adding $1 to their production cost would be costly. Sure, for the average PC user, they could spend 20 extra to get higher ram, but try to produce millions upon millions would hurt the manufacturing costs in the long run. Nevermind the fact that they may be unable to utilize the updated RAM chipsets in the console's lifecycle due to compatibility issues.

xxLuckyStrike4446d ago

Of course it does!!! It's super computer zent from zee future : /

EVILDEAD3604446d ago

'RAM is dirt cheap'

It cost Micrsoft an extra BILLION to put the RAM that Epic convinced them to ultimately go with.

Didn't know a billion dollars was 'dirt cheap'

Evil

Arnon4446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

RAM costs are relevant to the socket. DDR2 is dirt cheap compared to DDR3, and a higher end card such as the GTX 500 (560+) series with 1 GB of GDDR5 can cost $250 minimum, which isn't "Dirt cheap". Also, RAM for a laptop may cost more than a desktop due to it being a proprietary product.

Also, one needs to factor in that the RAM in a console is going to be specifically designed to work with the console to work around imminent bottlenecks. Consoles are technically dumbed down gaming PC's, but they still are designed in a way that makes them proprietary.

At most for next gen consoles, I would reasonably guess 2 GB DDR3, with a GPU that's hopefully running 512 MB GDDR5.

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AllroundGamer4447d ago

i think only the cell processor can be still pushed more to it's limit, but as stated by other people here, ram is definitely an issue already, and also the gpu.

ATi_Elite4446d ago

your correct!

The Cell is fine!

the issue is low Ram and the Weak Sauce Nvidia GPU!

Persistantthug4447d ago

Same will be true next year as well.

Anon19744446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

I agree. It's hard to argue the results when we continually see better and better games coming out. Back in 2006, I played Gears and was blown away. I thought "This is where next gen starts. From here on in, I expect we'll see more and more games of this caliber." And I waited but until Gears 2, nothing was able to top it.

The progression of visuals on the PS3 has been steady since it's release which is one of the reasons why it eventually replaced my 360 as the most played console in my house. That and hardware issues. I'd say MS dropped the ball on this one, but clearly they picked it up again and hit it out of the park with how successful the 360 has been since Kinect's launch. That just doesn't help me at all as I'm not a fan of motion gaming.

ATi_Elite4446d ago

REALLY!

Then make a AAA game that runs at 1080p!

The PS3/360 are MAXED out and have been for a long time! All this "Much more power left" talk is crap when in reality Devs are just figuring out how to TWEAK their game engines to run more efficiently within the confines of the systems.

So what the Devs should say is "We are getting better at optimizing our Game Engines".

DigitalAnalog4446d ago

The real question is, whether that power would be utilized for resolution or graphics? If the market would demand for 1080p/60fps on the PS3 then we wouldn't get the likes of GOWIII, Killzone 3 or Uncharted 3.

Personally, if the option DOES exist, I wouldn't mind a reduction in graphical quality in favor of 1080p/60fps at the same time I want the highest graphical fidelity on 720p/30fps

Arnon4446d ago

That doesn't help your case, though. Stating that the developers would have to either focus on resolution, or pixel count only stems from the fact that the console is reaching a bottleneck.

When Cage states "much more power", this would signify that there is some ancient power that hasn't been unlocked yet. ATI_Elite is correct in stating that they're only working to optimize their engines within the confines of the systems hardware capabilities.

StraightPath4446d ago

mutliplaform games suffer
limited ram games suffer and also the features on the console its self

yeah sure next gen is needed both of xbox and ps3.

bebojet4446d ago

I think Sony should come up with a redesigned PS3. Kind of like what Nintendo did with the Wii or Apple's Iphone 4 - 4S. Just add more RAM and a faster blue ray player and that's it. This way the console won't be too expensive and PlayStation will rule next gen.

ChickeyCantor4446d ago

Perhaps it has some years left, but you won't see drastic changes.

No one with the right mind can say that PS3 will hold up well for another few years if the others are ramping up for a new console.

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cyborg4447d ago

I do think the PlayStation 3 still has some time left. I can't say the same for the Xbox 360 though, that's showing its age like an old lady does.

torchic4447d ago

oh yea he called? what did he say? how long was the call?

Intentions4447d ago

Of course both X360 and Ps3 has power/time left because they both run on electricity. Without power they cannot be used at all.

Lol.

OT: I don't really care if next gen comes out or not. I just know that I will be ready for it.

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_Aarix_4446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

Epic games said more can be pulled from the 360 even after gears of war 3 so I cant really see how its "showing its colors" whenever games like halo 4 are coming out. They both have the same amount of ram so theyre both showing their colors.

Gazondaily4446d ago (Edited 4446d ago )

/puke

PS3 fanboyism gets rewarded here with 27 agrees, 14disagrees. You sheep.

EDIT- HOLD ON- financial gamer gets marked for trolling for saying:

"SKYRIM called. . .yeah, I went there. PS3 has the RAM of a Nokia 3310 "

yet cyborg gets more agrees for saying:

"I can't say the same for the Xbox 360 though, that's showing its age like an old lady does."

Pathetic.

undisputed4446d ago

In a sales article, a PS3 fan gets disagrees for saying that Sony is doing well, while a 360 fan cries doom and gloom and gets more agrees than disagrees.

Cry me a river.

undisputed4446d ago

The truth hurts, I know.

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Outside_ofthe_Box4447d ago (Edited 4447d ago )

Yeah, I've been saying that.

http://n4g.com/news/954238/...

PC fanboys like to think that it has already been maxed out though and are clamoring for next gen only for them to point how many X amount of years High-End PCs are ahead of the 720 and PS4.

Pandamobile4447d ago

It's hard to "max out" any hardware. If you given a static box for 6 years, you start to learn tricks and workarounds for all of its many shortcomings, especially for rendering.

The thing is, these workarounds and tricks take tons of development time to figure out, and that's time that could be better spent elsewhere as opposed to sitting for a month and trying to figure out how to cram this insane amount of game data into a 256 MB memory bank.

That's why we need next gen.

GamingTruth4447d ago (Edited 4447d ago )

shortcomings from a platform with a chip used in sony pictures studios, if ps3 has shortcomings then every platform including your precious pc has them also

and outside of the box, if your listening to pc fans thats good cause youll be all the more surprised when ps3 pushes out even more games that annihilate even uncharted 3

Pandamobile4447d ago

"shortcomings from a platform with a chip used in sony pictures studios"

First off, are you trying to make yourself sound as dimwitted as possible?

Obviously, no piece of computer hardware is perfect. Why do you think it's one of the fastest moving industries in the world?

kaveti66164447d ago

"more games that annihilate even uncharted 3"

Nothing is going to annihilate Uncharted 3 on PS3 from now on. Minor improvements that aren't noticeable don't impress anybody.

piroh4447d ago (Edited 4447d ago )

"That's why we need next gen"
sounds strange from a PC gamer

anyway, Kara is the best looking thing i ever saw in real time, so there it is

IGN - best graphics 2011 - Uncharted 3
VGA - Best graphics 2011 - Uncharted 3
keep it going PS3, that's called evolution. nothing else to say

lover20124445d ago (Edited 4445d ago )

ps3 use 512MB not 256MB

"The PS3 has 256MB of XDR Main RAM @ 3.2GHz and 256MB of GDDR3 VRAM @ 700MHz, for a total of 512MB"
http://playstation.about.co...
just how much misinformed are you ??

@piroh
here is he long list of gfx awards for uncharted 3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...
I'm laughing at the fact you have disagrees when you stating facts

Pandamobile4445d ago

The PS3 has 256 MB of RAM. It also has 256 MB of VRAM.

That doesn't add up to 512 MB of RAM because the two are mutually exclusive.

piroh4445d ago

wow, i never knew U3 won also Best Visual Design in Edge, since Edge is very strict

thx for the link lover2012, very informative
so many awards for U3...

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GamingTruth4447d ago

thats some pretty funny stuff yes, but there is also some things you should consider, why would naughty dog be making a game called the last of us let alone uncharted 3, and why is guerilla games working on 3 new projects? my friend you can keep laughing and ps3 will keep pushing out better visuals

Hufandpuf4447d ago

I'm not interested in debating about the PS3, I'm just sick of hearing these false claims.

Godmars2904447d ago

Just like Halo 4 devs saying the 360 has nothing left?

If this gen has shown me anything, as messed up as it is, its that devs have different understanding of consoles.

No one devs claims should be taken as definitive.

Fishy Fingers4447d ago (Edited 4447d ago )

My favourite... God Of War 3 uses "less than 50% of the PS3"

Which makes you wonder, why we've only seen minor improvements since? Must be lazy devs right? Or maybe people believe a little to much of what the read.

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Drainage4447d ago

at the cost of what? content? frame rate? no thanks.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers16d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken16d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g16d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing16d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H916d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola16d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66916d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle16d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg17d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos17d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola17d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies37d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken37d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga37d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken37d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6437d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long37d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197237d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic37d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12537d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91337d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer37d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91336d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit36d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher37d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6936d ago (Edited 36d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit36d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal37d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher37d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken37d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197237d ago (Edited 37d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic37d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2337d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218337d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit36d ago (Edited 36d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder37d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts37d ago

Headline truncated:
"... off a cliff"

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