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Tretton: Sony Embraces Hacking Of A Different Kind

If you’re one of the many who believe Sony doesn’t want customers to modify the PlayStation 3, you’re not alone. It’s the message everyone’s gotten from the whole George Hotz debacle, but according to Jack Tretton, president and chief executive of Sony Computer Entertainment America, it’s a real “misnomer”. In other words it’s untrue, because, according to him, Sony embraces hacking; just in a different way.

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“Some hackers say Sony wants to deter customers from modifying the PlayStation3. Is that true?”
“No,” Tretton said, “there’s a real misnomer there, we embrace independent game development; if you call that hacking, then we embrace that.

When has independent game development with the given tools ever been considered hacking?

If anyone is confused by this article, it's because it exists solely for people to see that title and click on it. I'll save you the click; There is actually no connection whatsoever, it's a (weird) quote taken from a lengthy interview that is being used by the author to attract hits.

The irony is that the NY Times interview the excerpt is from is actually a really good one, worth posting about on here. In case anyone wants to read it without going through the site:
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.c...

b_one4729d ago (Edited 4729d ago )

game developers are often kind of hackers, look at Flower or Chime, strange ideas but playable...

@Chopin, think about it, hackers often take equipment and change thier purpose, devs... they change gaming, its also creativity, experimenting, new ideas.

Cracking is other thing - all ppl scream about OtherOS and cmon - i have in my work few guys, they screamed about it from day one, voila - they have slims, it ended with CFW and TONS of pirated games...
No linux was EVER run.

Another example, Linger in Shadows - made by Demoscene group form Poland (plastic)
http://plastic-demo.nazwa.p...
read, look, think

Some of them are working for Sony Santa Monica now...
they started with little and now...
Demosceners are hackers - not in a straight definition but often they break boarders of equipment - making demos on microwaves etc or even building thier own electronics to program some 8bit hardcore presentations...

Creativity... Good one... counts most.

ClimateKaren4729d ago

I'm sorry, I don't see the connection between unique game ideas and hacking. Can you elaborate?

ClimateKaren4729d ago

It's really poor form to edit your comment to quadruple its original length after you've been replied to...

Anyway, you're arguing that since hackers think out of the box and so do game developers, that they are similar enough that independent game developing can be considered hacking? Quite a stretch, but even taken as you present it, there is still a clear distinction between the two.

Sometimes locksmiths open a business and fix locks, sometimes they break into houses. Does this mean that we can call locksmithing a form of breaking and entering? Of course not.

Also, I'm not sure what that link is supposed to contain, as it doesn't appear to pertain to the discussion, but please stop talking to me like a persuasive advertisement, it's really condescending, especially when you aren't directly engaging my point.

b_one4729d ago

@Chopin i wanted to answer to you but there was no reply button thats all

About that link, mainly they developed thier own Maya plugin as a freeware, you should take your time and look at content of that site, and im not persuasive, just wanted to show you that there is an alternative to stealing informations

DJMarty4729d ago

@b_one - Demo scene has never been hackers, they are just tallented coders that like to make hardware do the supposed imposible.

ZombieNinjaPanda4729d ago

>game developers are often hackers

The fuck are you smokin and where can I get some of this?

kneon4729d ago (Edited 4729d ago )

@DJMarty

"talented coders that like to make hardware do the supposed impossible."

That is pretty much the original definition of hacker. What most people refer to as hackers are really crackers. Maybe if we all started calling them that again then maybe they'd go away, who would want to be called a cracker? I know, it won't happen, it's just wishful thinking.

thorstein4728d ago

@kneon,
Thank you.

A hacker. A true hacker is someone who can make technology go BEYOND what it was intended to do. See the hacks of Kinect for a perfect example.

A pirate is someone who tries to obtain intellectual property for free or to sell for profit.

A crack is the term used when employing code to "crack" a security system in order to open up the software (usually violating the TOS or EULA when doing so.) While "cracking" usually won't land someone in hot water. It is what is done with the IP after the crack that lands that person in deep.

Unfortunately, mainstream press calls all of this "hacking."

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movements4729d ago

I agree with b_one. Sony does embrace "legal hacking" then. Flower and Chime are perfect examples of that.

k2d4729d ago

"When you’ve invested millions upon billions of dollars into developing the system — as we have with PlayStation"

One. Quadrillion. Dollars. I'm sure that was a typo..

joeorc4729d ago (Edited 4729d ago )

In one sense it's silly to argue about the ``true'' meaning of a word. A word means whatever people use it to mean. I am not the Academie Française; I can't force Newsweek to use the word ``hacker'' according to my official definition.

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/...

The concept of hacking entered the computer culture at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the 1960s. Popular opinion at MIT posited that there are two kinds of students, tools and hackers. A ``tool'' is someone who attends class regularly, is always to be found in the library when no class is meeting, and gets straight As. A ``hacker'' is the opposite: someone who never goes to class, who in fact sleeps all day, and who spends the night pursuing recreational activities rather than studying. There was thought to be no middle ground.

What does this have to do with computers? Originally, nothing.

"In 1986, the word ``hacker'' is generally used among MIT students to refer not to computer hackers but to building hackers, people who explore roofs and tunnels where they're not supposed to be."

the above can fit software very nicely!

So yes what jack was talking about can clearly be viewed as Hacking , well by UC an MIT! standards

gamingdroid4729d ago (Edited 4729d ago )

Are you a fellow CalBear?

That is an awesome article. I will have to bookmark that.

joeorc4729d ago

sadly no...lol, but i knew quite many peeps from both there an MIT. I did my courses the hardway...USN..hehehe or could be viewed the easy way unless you are happened to be @ war...lol

my luck .was of course wartime..so the Hardway it was. USS Forrestal (CV-59) AKA the zippo or Forrest Fire..read up on how it got its nick names...ooh boy. it was the first super Carrier in the entire US navy. it still had a steel belted hull.

my deployment was 88'-93'

http://militarypower.wikido...

couple of things they stated were part of the truth but i cannot state or go further into it.

gamingdroid4729d ago

Ahh... interesting. Pardon my ignorance, but does that mean you did your education in the Navy? I know some people getting paid through the navy (?) going to med school, but is basically part of the Navy now. Not a bad deal if you ask me.

I just realized, I had Brian Harvey (the author of the article) as my prof back in the day.

joeorc4729d ago

yup, right out of High school, went into the US navy,paying the University was not an option for me started with MM/HT/signal tech, than went into CVN ELECTRONIC's from there It was all pretty much free you just had to work your butt off spend off hours in certain div. helping out an learning courses if you wanted it with low amounts of sleep but you did not have to pay for it which yes there could be a war, which it was in my case when i was in but im still here today so i consider myself lucky.

b_one4729d ago

Thanks to bringing my point of view, im not so fluent in english.

@DJMarty, and hackers do what? "Impossible" same as demosceners...

btw. end of bubbles, so... thanks for chat.

MWong4729d ago (Edited 4729d ago )

When I read the title I thought he was going to say something else. Something more along the lines of what we experienced with the PS2. Hackers that just modified the gaming experience and that was for SP games (invincible characters, unlimited ammo, mega money). Some messed with MP games, but a lot of those users got banned (most sites never really supported online).

skyblue142134729d ago (Edited 4729d ago )

If sony encourages it than why don't they create a program that utilizes creating homebrew games from the ground up, and little big planet and mod nation racers don't count because those types of programs are not what I am referring to. I am referring to a program that is more in-depth than little big planet and mod nation racers and are not bound by certain rules like little big planet and mod nation racers are.

plmkoh4729d ago

They have done exactly that, the PS3 had the Linux compatibility until people decided to abuse it and we also have the upcoming move.me development kit for homebrew move controller stuff.

Lawliet4729d ago

Sony like every corporation never said you can't mod or create hacks, you can, until you turn your PS3 into a bomb, then wonder why FBI is knocking on your door.

Just don't mod or create something which can hurt others and everyone can agree. Saying you got the freedom to do whatever you want is nothing more than being ignorant. You can walk into a farm, ask permission and maybe you get kind treats, stealing the corps however you wish, will make you understand why you've just been flagellated.

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Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"

"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

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1nsomniac1d 23h ago (Edited 1d 23h ago )

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai1d 13h ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19721d 4h ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

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@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19721d 4h ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

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XiNatsuDragnel1d 21h ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz1d 2h ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay1d 2h ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

RaiderNation12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Progress is inevitable. Nobody driving cars today is complaining that the horse and buggy is no longer around. Yes, some jobs will be lost but guess what? With innovation comes new job opportunities. It's how the cycle of the job market works.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

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Profchaos30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers30d ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos29d ago (Edited 29d ago )

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken29d ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g30d ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing30d ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H930d ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola29d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66930d ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle30d ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

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jznrpg30d ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos30d ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion30d ago (Edited 30d ago )

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola30d ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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