The Wii HD is powered by the AMD Trinity?

The folks at NeoGAF have done some detective work and determined that the Wii HD will supposedly be released in Fall 2012 and will be powered by the AMD Trinity.

[wwm0nkey]

For those of you who don't know the AMD Trinity is stock DX11.

[NewMonday]

How good is the AMD Trinity vs. 360 and PS3? 2 times more powerful? 3 times? 1.5?

Is there a PC game we can compare it to?

If there is a big difference that doesn't need microscopic comparisons it will become my 3rd party system of choice.

edit:

"Trinity, is fabbed at 32nm scale with AMD describing it as being "based on AMD's next-generation Bulldozer CPU cores". Bulldozer is AMD's other x86 multi-core CPU architecture. For you gamers out there, AMD says that all three APUs are DX11 capable"

edit2: the "Komodo" is another rumor

[wwm0nkey]

From what I understand the Trinity would provide enough power to be considered a generational leap from the 360 so its pretty damn powerful and the fact that the Trinity is stock DX11 where as the 360 is DX9 (PS3 is open GL) that should still give you an idea of its power.

EDIT: Yep that all sounds good :)

[NewMonday]

Ok, if Nintendo become the first of the next generation then this will force the hand of MS and Sony, MS is already working on the 720, they should be second in the market, PS4 is not even in planning from what I hear, they could be very late.

The way it stands it could be like this:
2012 Wii2
2013 Xbox720
2014-15 PS4

It's going to be a drain on gamers to upgrade every year, Sony should stretch the PS3 as much as it can, to 2015 at least.

MS can't wait longer than 2013 IMOO, but they can act fast and release with the Wii2.

[wwm0nkey]

Sony coming in late to the generation would hurt them a lot they can simply just not afford to be a year or 2 late.

[NewMonday]

I think they should skip one generation and take on the wii2 and 720 with the PS3 priced at 200$ then 150$.

Here is a LOL from NeoGaf:

DX11 Mario http://laughingsquid.com/wp...

[hakis86]

@wwm0nkey
The PS3 has a Nvidia chip that supports DX9 + Open GL, The 360's GPU is actually closer to DX10 (unified shaders).

And we should wait and see the horsepower here people; just because it has DX11 doesn't mean Nintendo has made it incredible powerful compared to PCs/the next xbox or playstation...

[Ju]

Looks good. At least it will end the graphics superiority discussion for a while.

I don't think Sony will be out of the game any time soon, though - all depends on price.

And, Fall 2012 give Sony enough time to spec out the next gen while not rush into things. All they need to do is to announce the specs (and maybe a prototype/sample) of their next gen console right before the Wii2 drops. Same like with the NGP.

A lot upgraded to the 3DS and a lot are waiting because the NGP specs are just drumping that.

Best thing for Sony, though, would be if MS will try to beat Nintendo do the Wii2. I have no doubt that MS will try to do just that and also will try to beat it in specs. Sony will be late again, but this time they'd should use that year to really push that console ahead of its competition - and drop the PS3 to $200.

@Above. DX is an API and has nothing to do with the chip. It is MS proprietary and thus is only used in MS products (operating systems). What the 360 has is often referred to as "DX9+" simply because it is a complete DX9 API (shader level ??) but it certainly does not support "Direct Compute" which was introduced in DX10 and later. What the "+" means is that the 360s DirectX version does not use a driver model (as in Windows) but sits directly on the GPU and thus shortens the data path to the chip (it does not need to support a variety of chips) and it has some 360 specific API extensions to allow to hit the HW directly (tesslation and EDRAM) - which are not part of a standard DX10 for example.

The PS3 on the other hand has no access to DirectX (for the reasons mentioned above) but uses OpenGL ES2.0 (?) at the top end with some Sony proprietary low level library (??). This supports GLSL - vertex and fragment shaders. I have no idea in which version. GLSL does not even know what unified shaders are - and does not need to because it will divide the load to the proper units. It will not be able to balance the chip efficiently unless the app can find its own balance between vertex and fragment code.

But (!) the PS3 can use the SPUs to some extend what DirectX offers as "Direct Compute". GLSL could/can provide a (runtime) compiler which translates shader code to run on the SPUs - in assistance to the RSX (if you want to see that from an abstract perspective).

Even if the driver model does not support this, the SPUs are much more flexible to run Direct Compute code than shaders (even though shaders are faster) because you can simply code in C/C++ without any constraints and port this over to shaders later.

That said, RSX+SPUs allow you to port DX10 code, while you cannot do that on the 360. Performance wise it might not make a difference.

The chip in the next gen Wii will support all that on the GPU without trickery.

[ChickeyCantor]

I seriously wonder,
If Nintendo brings out a supurior console ( raw prowers wise). Will people then condemn their console to be inferior, like they did with the Wii?

Its interesting to see how the hypocrisy would go round.

( of course its about games and exclusives, but you all know how you have been acting the past 5 yearS)

[starchild]

I might get it, but the main reason I am excited for it is that it will likely result in some better looking/more expansive multiplatform games for the PC as well.

[DeadlyFire]

Trinity isn't stock DX 11.

Its in mainstream/performance line for AMD's goal with 2-4 Bulldozer CPU cores and likely power of ATI 4000 series or so GPU range as a minimum. So it isn't bad at all.

That is still a leap beyond PS3 and X360. Their next GPUs are likely to be around same range. You never know though. Likely more details will be spilled at E3.

[Biggest]

"I seriously wonder,
If Nintendo brings out a supurior console ( raw prowers wise). Will people then condemn their console to be inferior, like they did with the Wii?"

Did that make sense to you when you typed it? The Wii is not superior to ANY other console. It just isn't. If Nintendo made a console that is technically superior, it would be technically superior. It would have nothing to do with the Wii. Are you understanding how this works?

[pcz]

you are down a bubble, remember you said the less bubbles you have the less validity your opinions hold? looks like you are falling off haha

i will only buy project cafe if it has 3rd party support.

[ChickeyCantor]

" The Wii is not superior to ANY other console. "

You better read again, I never said the Wii is superior.
I said the Wii was BASHED for being inferior.

People Bashed it for the lack of power, how games are always inferior on it.
Now if Nintendo releases a console which is more powerful, will people then bash the PS3 and 360 for being inferior?
I don't think you see the hypocrisy of it.

You oughta read better.

"you are down a bubble, remember you said the less bubbles you have the less validity your opinions hold? "

I never said that, I said Your bubble count is down due the fact you just spout nonsense 3/4 in your posts. Not to forget your arrogance, wasn't it you who said "I am always right". Guess what you aren't.
What you are saying now is completely different.

[pcz]

i am always right, even about this!

oh yes you did say that! soon you will be on 3 bubbles like me, and your argument back then will be worthless. It was worthless at the time but it will be proven worthless lol

my bubble count is down because people dont like the truth, its a proven fact. when i say things with truth, instead of accepting it, unreasonable people (like yourself) hit the disagree and bubble down button. this is why i have 3 bubbles.

but when you have 3 bubbles it will be because you say stupid things :)

im right again. go ahead and hit the disagree button. you will do it because i am always right.

[ChickeyCantor]

"but when you have 3 bubbles it will be because you say stupid things :) "

You're just juvenile and laughable.
Its as if you are trying to reach some sort of status with the constant "I'm right, im always right". I hope you are just trolling mad.

You seriously are arrogant, you need an intervention. You sir are one of the biggest clowns on N4G. I seriously hope you are trolling. LOL

Actually I never use the Disagree/agree button.
So you, showed yourself wrong again.

http://cdn.nahright.com/new...

[Hisiru]

Trinity is actually much more powerful than what we have on PS3 or xbox 360 and Komodo is not possible because it's incredibly powerful but it will also make the system extremely expensive.

[Pikajew]

The new Wii will probably reallies in 2 years, like what they did with the Wii and 3DS.

[wwm0nkey]

The new Nintendo platform is stated for a 2012 launch according to pretty much all the sources.

[fluffydelusions]

I enjoyed NES/SNES as a kid but haven't much cared for them since the PS1 came out. Plus they mostly cater to casuals and younger audience these days which isn't really my cup of tea but that is fine if others enjoy it.

[BlmThug]

This Is Not Confirmed So Dont Get Your Hopes Up, Just Wait For E3 2011

[wwm0nkey]

Thats why this is a rumor story :)

[GrandMaxPain]

I can't realy believe nintendo is going to implement a powerful graphics chip in their upcoming console.

[BeastlyRig]

I would love to see wii2 as powerfull as 720 & ps4!

[V0LT]

I personally feel like there needs to be a new Wii but not 360 or PS3. There is still a lot of life left in both of those. Especially the PS3.

[gypsygib]

I'd love all new consoles by the end of 2013 (but I wouldn't buy one until 2014 b/c early adopters suck and I know from personal 360 experience)

The next gen can start now IMO.

[Shok]

AMD Trinity Specs:

"Trinity is part of Llano's next gen hardware, which means it should meet or exceed Llano's CPU power and Graphics that are currently faster then an Intel i7 as gathered from AMD's announcement video easily found on youtube.)

Specs of the Trinity APU:

Processor size: 32nm

CPU: Bulldozer 2 or 4 core

GPU: 6790 @400SP (Which is the successor to the 5830, this is a specially designed chip to fit on the 32nm processor as the current 6000 series is designed on 40nm, the gpu will likely be a 7000 series variant of this same card because of it's 28nm design, so a 7770 that simply doesn't exist yet.)

Ram: 1GB GDDR5 and atleast (probably more but safe to assume for backwards compatibility) 88mb t1 speed ram for entire system.

Storage: 16GB flash storage with SD card slot. (This would be for DLC and VC, disc games will not be installed to it. This is also an optimistic assessment.)

This is a closed system, which means it will look light years ahead of 360/ps3 and thats because spec wise, the gpu really is far more advanced then those systems, if you ran windows7 on a 360 and installed mass effect, you wouldn't be able to play it, same with a ps3, the systems are powerful because they are not having to run a huge boggled down OS in the background.

VS a 2014 parts? (the PS4/Xbox3): GPU reviewers have been coming to the same conclusion for a long time now, 1080p can only give a GPU so much taxing, if you look at thermals and wattage requirements, the difference between all 3 systems will fit inside Gamecube vs Wii as far as graphics.

Wii2 should be able to play BF3 PC version @ 60fps @ 1080p without lag thanks to not having an OS in the background. Same with Crysis and the next elder Scrolls, which means it should be able to get those multi titled games that the wii missed out on this generation."

-syferz from GameSpot forums.

[pepsilover_2007]

damn sounds good :)

[ATiElite]

Bulldozer faster than Core i7...yeh only it's Core i7 LGA 1366 and 1156 sockets.
I don't see bulldozer beating the new Core i7 LGA socket 1155 or Intel new socket LGA 2011 which Intel is holding back just to make sure they stay faster than AMD.

Trinity running BF3 at 60 FPS @1080p...NO WAY! consoles will be Vsync at 30 FPS but they will reach 1080p with some AA and more post processing effects.

A Wii 2 with a 3ghz dual core Bulldozer with a HD 6790 sitting SOI will make the Wii2 very powerful, way superior to a 360 or PS3 BUT just slightly under a PS4 or 720. Only draw back is some of that power (a very small portion) will be cut back to maintain watts and heat. where as the PC version would have unlimited watts and cooling performance.

P.S. you can get Wii 2 performance right now instead of fall 2012.

[Agent_hitman]

AMD trinity will be expensive, If they put it inside the Wii 2, expect it to be expensive too.. AMD trinity is under the next generation AMD processor Codename "BULLDOZER"

[Rute]

That's true in the sense that the system will be costly to manufacture, but considering how much money Nintendo has made with the Wii and DS, they now have the financial flexibility to sell the new console at loss.