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The Wii HD is powered by the AMD Trinity?

The folks at NeoGAF have done some detective work and determined that the Wii HD will supposedly be released in Fall 2012 and will be powered by the AMD Trinity.

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wwm0nkey4775d ago

For those of you who don't know the AMD Trinity is stock DX11.

NewMonday4775d ago (Edited 4775d ago )

How good is the AMD Trinity vs. 360 and PS3? 2 times more powerful? 3 times? 1.5?

Is there a PC game we can compare it to?

If there is a big difference that doesn't need microscopic comparisons it will become my 3rd party system of choice.

edit:

"Trinity, is fabbed at 32nm scale with AMD describing it as being "based on AMD's next-generation Bulldozer CPU cores". Bulldozer is AMD's other x86 multi-core CPU architecture. For you gamers out there, AMD says that all three APUs are DX11 capable"

edit2: the "Komodo" is another rumor

wwm0nkey4775d ago (Edited 4775d ago )

From what I understand the Trinity would provide enough power to be considered a generational leap from the 360 so its pretty damn powerful and the fact that the Trinity is stock DX11 where as the 360 is DX9 (PS3 is open GL) that should still give you an idea of its power.

EDIT: Yep that all sounds good :)

NewMonday4775d ago (Edited 4775d ago )

Ok, if Nintendo become the first of the next generation then this will force the hand of MS and Sony, MS is already working on the 720, they should be second in the market, PS4 is not even in planning from what I hear, they could be very late.

The way it stands it could be like this:
2012 Wii2
2013 Xbox720
2014-15 PS4

It's going to be a drain on gamers to upgrade every year, Sony should stretch the PS3 as much as it can, to 2015 at least.

MS can't wait longer than 2013 IMOO, but they can act fast and release with the Wii2.

wwm0nkey4775d ago

Sony coming in late to the generation would hurt them a lot they can simply just not afford to be a year or 2 late.

NewMonday4775d ago

I think they should skip one generation and take on the wii2 and 720 with the PS3 priced at 200$ then 150$.

Here is a LOL from NeoGaf:

DX11 Mario http://laughingsquid.com/wp...

hakis864775d ago

@wwm0nkey
The PS3 has a Nvidia chip that supports DX9 + Open GL, The 360's GPU is actually closer to DX10 (unified shaders).

And we should wait and see the horsepower here people; just because it has DX11 doesn't mean Nintendo has made it incredible powerful compared to PCs/the next xbox or playstation...

Ju4775d ago (Edited 4775d ago )

Looks good. At least it will end the graphics superiority discussion for a while.

I don't think Sony will be out of the game any time soon, though - all depends on price.

And, Fall 2012 give Sony enough time to spec out the next gen while not rush into things. All they need to do is to announce the specs (and maybe a prototype/sample) of their next gen console right before the Wii2 drops. Same like with the NGP.

A lot upgraded to the 3DS and a lot are waiting because the NGP specs are just drumping that.

Best thing for Sony, though, would be if MS will try to beat Nintendo do the Wii2. I have no doubt that MS will try to do just that and also will try to beat it in specs. Sony will be late again, but this time they'd should use that year to really push that console ahead of its competition - and drop the PS3 to $200.

@Above. DX is an API and has nothing to do with the chip. It is MS proprietary and thus is only used in MS products (operating systems). What the 360 has is often referred to as "DX9+" simply because it is a complete DX9 API (shader level ??) but it certainly does not support "Direct Compute" which was introduced in DX10 and later. What the "+" means is that the 360s DirectX version does not use a driver model (as in Windows) but sits directly on the GPU and thus shortens the data path to the chip (it does not need to support a variety of chips) and it has some 360 specific API extensions to allow to hit the HW directly (tesslation and EDRAM) - which are not part of a standard DX10 for example.

The PS3 on the other hand has no access to DirectX (for the reasons mentioned above) but uses OpenGL ES2.0 (?) at the top end with some Sony proprietary low level library (??). This supports GLSL - vertex and fragment shaders. I have no idea in which version. GLSL does not even know what unified shaders are - and does not need to because it will divide the load to the proper units. It will not be able to balance the chip efficiently unless the app can find its own balance between vertex and fragment code.

But (!) the PS3 can use the SPUs to some extend what DirectX offers as "Direct Compute". GLSL could/can provide a (runtime) compiler which translates shader code to run on the SPUs - in assistance to the RSX (if you want to see that from an abstract perspective).

Even if the driver model does not support this, the SPUs are much more flexible to run Direct Compute code than shaders (even though shaders are faster) because you can simply code in C/C++ without any constraints and port this over to shaders later.

That said, RSX+SPUs allow you to port DX10 code, while you cannot do that on the 360. Performance wise it might not make a difference.

The chip in the next gen Wii will support all that on the GPU without trickery.

ChickeyCantor4775d ago

I seriously wonder,
If Nintendo brings out a supurior console ( raw prowers wise). Will people then condemn their console to be inferior, like they did with the Wii?

Its interesting to see how the hypocrisy would go round.

( of course its about games and exclusives, but you all know how you have been acting the past 5 yearS)

starchild4775d ago

I might get it, but the main reason I am excited for it is that it will likely result in some better looking/more expansive multiplatform games for the PC as well.

DeadlyFire4775d ago

Trinity isn't stock DX 11.

Its in mainstream/performance line for AMD's goal with 2-4 Bulldozer CPU cores and likely power of ATI 4000 series or so GPU range as a minimum. So it isn't bad at all.

That is still a leap beyond PS3 and X360. Their next GPUs are likely to be around same range. You never know though. Likely more details will be spilled at E3.

Biggest4775d ago

"I seriously wonder,
If Nintendo brings out a supurior console ( raw prowers wise). Will people then condemn their console to be inferior, like they did with the Wii?"

Did that make sense to you when you typed it? The Wii is not superior to ANY other console. It just isn't. If Nintendo made a console that is technically superior, it would be technically superior. It would have nothing to do with the Wii. Are you understanding how this works?

pcz4775d ago

you are down a bubble, remember you said the less bubbles you have the less validity your opinions hold? looks like you are falling off haha

i will only buy project cafe if it has 3rd party support.

ChickeyCantor4775d ago (Edited 4775d ago )

" The Wii is not superior to ANY other console. "

You better read again, I never said the Wii is superior.
I said the Wii was BASHED for being inferior.

People Bashed it for the lack of power, how games are always inferior on it.
Now if Nintendo releases a console which is more powerful, will people then bash the PS3 and 360 for being inferior?
I don't think you see the hypocrisy of it.

You oughta read better.

"you are down a bubble, remember you said the less bubbles you have the less validity your opinions hold? "

I never said that, I said Your bubble count is down due the fact you just spout nonsense 3/4 in your posts. Not to forget your arrogance, wasn't it you who said "I am always right". Guess what you aren't.
What you are saying now is completely different.

pcz4775d ago (Edited 4775d ago )

i am always right, even about this!

oh yes you did say that! soon you will be on 3 bubbles like me, and your argument back then will be worthless. It was worthless at the time but it will be proven worthless lol

my bubble count is down because people dont like the truth, its a proven fact. when i say things with truth, instead of accepting it, unreasonable people (like yourself) hit the disagree and bubble down button. this is why i have 3 bubbles.

but when you have 3 bubbles it will be because you say stupid things :)

im right again. go ahead and hit the disagree button. you will do it because i am always right.

ChickeyCantor4775d ago (Edited 4775d ago )

"but when you have 3 bubbles it will be because you say stupid things :) "

You're just juvenile and laughable.
Its as if you are trying to reach some sort of status with the constant "I'm right, im always right". I hope you are just trolling mad.

You seriously are arrogant, you need an intervention. You sir are one of the biggest clowns on N4G. I seriously hope you are trolling. LOL

Actually I never use the Disagree/agree button.
So you, showed yourself wrong again.

http://cdn.nahright.com/new...

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Hisiru4775d ago

Trinity is actually much more powerful than what we have on PS3 or xbox 360 and Komodo is not possible because it's incredibly powerful but it will also make the system extremely expensive.

Pikajew4775d ago

The new Wii will probably reallies in 2 years, like what they did with the Wii and 3DS.

wwm0nkey4775d ago

The new Nintendo platform is stated for a 2012 launch according to pretty much all the sources.

fluffydelusions4775d ago

I enjoyed NES/SNES as a kid but haven't much cared for them since the PS1 came out. Plus they mostly cater to casuals and younger audience these days which isn't really my cup of tea but that is fine if others enjoy it.

BlmThug4775d ago

This Is Not Confirmed So Dont Get Your Hopes Up, Just Wait For E3 2011

wwm0nkey4775d ago

Thats why this is a rumor story :)

GrandMaxPain4775d ago

I can't realy believe nintendo is going to implement a powerful graphics chip in their upcoming console.

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MSI releases new RTX 4060 Ti bundle that fans of Monster Hunter will love

MSI celebrates the 20th anniversary of Monster Hunter with this unique bundle that features a matching RTX 4060 Ti and game controller.

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Why Xbox believes it must cut costs and close studios

Companies, particularly public companies like Microsoft, need to grow.

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gold_drake17h ago

i mean its pretty simple, they spent close to 30 billion in acquiring activision, they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen.

its just shit that because of MS's miscalculation alot of people lost their jobs.

Jingsing13h ago

This is exactly what many people said would happen including the CMA and FTC. Lies lies and more lies and they allowed a $69 billion buy out to happen.

gold_drake13h ago

oh yeh it was 70 billion. that was my bad haha even worse.

thesoftware73013h ago(Edited 13h ago)

gold,

You can't be serious, right?

Do you think that MS thought they would make 80bill in a year & Half? They haven't even released titles under MS yet, lol.

But in fact, that A/B revenue is already paying off, look at the last earnings call. That $80 billion is long-term money, my guy, no sane person/company would think they would make that back in any short-term situation, it's a long-term investment.

Let's play silly then. If MS's reason for laying off staff and closing studios was due(which it really was not) to the A/B deal, tell me what Sony's reason was for past studio closures, the recent 900-person layoffs, closing Sony London, shutting down Dreams, and closing Japan Studio? Zipper? Psygnosis? cuts at all their internal studios.

Keep in mind, you are claiming MS's reason is because of the A/B deal; please explain Sony's reason.

Hofstaderman13h ago

You actually still defending them? Sheesh.....

gold_drake13h ago

this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt.

and of course not, but im pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. they didnt, and closed off some studios.

its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case.

romulus2313h ago(Edited 13h ago)

(It really was) due to the Activision Blizzard deal and the loss of physical sales due to gamepass. You keep bringing up Sony in all your posts about this, stop deflecting and trying to change the topic, this is about MS and what they are doing.

BehindTheRows13h ago

Has nothing to do with Sony. Stay on topic.

notachance12h ago

once in a while you see someone too invested in their make-believe console war that everything happened has to be connected to said war…

a bit of banter between fans is normal, this crusade you’re doing now isn’t.

Chevalier12h ago

Wow idiotic. You bring up very old closures not that there haven't been recent ones from Playstations, but, seriously stop deflecting. This has NOTHING to do with Playstation.

Does Playstation got $3 trillion behind them and daddies wallet? No they don't so stop making a fool of yourself.

Xbox has never been profitable really and they just keep losing money so between their worst hardware sales, terrible 3rd party sales and now terrible 1st party sales.

Gamepass numbers that are no longer being announced shows their numbers after 3 years of missed targets has flatlined. Plus their recent gains up to 34 million were ONLY because they folded Gold members in too. Absolutely take your idiotic rhetoric out of here. Keep on topic without deflecting.

S2Killinit12h ago

Ayayayay with these xbox/MS excuses.

Reaper22_7h ago

How dare you mention Sony! Everyone here knows when Sony closes a studio and lay off workers it was the right thing to do. Even when they bought Gaikai and fired almost everyone it was the right thing to do.

Gamers can be such hypocrites sometimes.

andy856h ago

Is it? That's revenue not profit. Completely different.

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thesoftware73010h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Drake,

"this is not a sony vs MS debate. dont make it something it isnt."

You are correct that it's not an MS Vs Sony Topic, but when exaggeration and imagination mix from a one-sided social group, similar examples are needed to ground radical thoughts; in this instance, the example was that shutting down 3,4,5, even 6 studios during a restructure/ buyout/acquisition is not some anomaly(it can suck) that has to be dissected or spell doom and gloom.

"But I'm pretty sure they thought they'd make more money after the deal. They didn't, and they closed off some studios."

But they did make more money, a lot, actually; the last earnings call showed a huge growth in profit, almost all due to A/B revenue.

"its pretty insane to think there is any other reason for the closure of studios in this case."

The fact that they did make money, kinda throws this out the window, and besides, you don't wake up and say, hey let's close a studio, you look at the output, you look at the dev as a whole, the long term and short term, you weigh it against all other studios and goals, you keep key members, ect..then you close if they are the weakest links...which by MS analysis they were.

Again, I will make a small Sony comparison, just so some of you can understand and see past the bias; Insomniac, ND, and Bungie have made some of the best games ever created, yet Sony saw fit to cut jobs in every of these studios, even tho Insomniac & ND are the biggest producers of PS games, leagues ahead better than Tango and Arkane, yet, they saw cuts, mind you, while being the TOP produces of PS first party. They were told to cut costs, and more jobs may be on the line, and Bungie is being threatened by a hostile Sony takeover. Put that in perspective, as I know that layoffs and dev closures are different, but if the best of the best is getting cut off, it is less than surprising, that lesser studios are closing.

@Cheva,
My response fits well with your comments as well. You even went on to prove that the dev closures are not just due to A/B acquisition. Then you point out Sony has less money than MS, inferring that MS should keep devs open that they see as lesser earners, while Sony having less money makes it okay to close them. lol...it doesn't work that way.

gold_drake10h ago

im not reading all of that. u have ur opinion, i have mine.

thats rly it.

but this aint sony vs ms.

ApocalypseShadow10h ago

You're trying to compare a 100 billion company to a company that has 3 TRILLION worth. SIE has to live or die on their own. And in turn, PlayStation has helped the main company again and again. Sony has to balance out what is working and not working in the company.

While Xbox has Daddy Warbucks footing the bill to keep the platform afloat. They have been bleeding money from Nvidia hardware in the OG Xbox, the RROD fiasco, the attempted 2013 DRM nonsense and the lies about being the most powerful console in the world and the losses of paying out millions to prop up a service hoping it catches on with enough subscribers to justify its existence.

They're not comparable if Xbox isn't allowed to live or die by its actions. It's subsidized. Revenue isn't profit. And if they were profiting on their own, they wouldn't be closing developers. If they were profiting, they wouldn't need Daddy Warbucks spending 80 to 100 billion buying up 3rd party publishers to sustain a loss leading platform.

They stopped announcing game sales, stopped announcing hardware sales, stopped announcing game pass subscribers, they are putting games on their competitors platforms but you're telling us that they are doing great even after killing jobs and closing developers at Xbox.

Stop drinking the Kool aid. You're drunk.

Chevalier1h ago

Again at which point did Playstation have a $3 trillion company shift the market with a giant purchase?

"But they did make more money, a lot, actually; the last earnings call showed a huge growth in profit, almost all due to A/B revenue."

Lol. No they didn't. Increased revenue was ONLY due to adding Activision Blizzard revenue in. Growth was only 1 percent. It's idiots like you that have no idea what they're talking about is why Xbox isn't better than it is. You guys just make excuses continually.

If Xbox got so much profit then why did they stop announcing hardware numbers? Why did they stop announcing Gamepass numbers? Oh right because they're NOT profitable. Their sales in every category has dropped off the face of the planet. It's why Spencer will be closing more studios and canceling upcoming projects too.

WelkinCole6h ago

I am pretty sure MS knew this would happen and this was part of their plan. I mean if anyone with half a brain can see this happening I am pretty sure a multi billion company like MS knew this would happen

The whole strategy in buying Beth and Acti/Blizzard is for

1. Buy established games they can have under xbox because they have done a horrible job in building their portfolio internally for the past 15 years

2. Following from 1, try and boost xbox competitivenss against a dominat PS which MS after 3 tries still can't crack

3. Follolwing from 2, try and weaken Playstation dominance by taking out these massive multiplats from the PS

4. Following from 3, try and profit off from the PS domiance with selected games they will still have on the PS to make money like COD

5. Obviously get the IP's by buying them instead of creating them which again as I mentioned in number 1 they have been woeful in doing

None of these had anyting to do with keeping all the devs they accuried. MS has always been very shitty to Devs under them. Look at what happned to Bungie for example.

I believe MS in court truely mean it when they said they had to do something because PS was just too dominant. This was their last roll of the dice.

And from the looks of things. It has not panned out as MS had hoped. PS5 is still as dominant as ever and xbox is still behind. Worse still their MP's they got is not irreplaceable as they thought. Starfield? lol!. There have not been any major shift in momentum in this console war in their favor so now its time to start cutting their loses and it starts with the most expensive cost for any company. People.

Michiel19893h ago

for a comparison, sony laid of a bigger % of it's staff this year than ms, it's what companies sadly do nowadays. If you think with GP and Bethesda + acti aquisition they were looking for quick cash, you couldn't be more wrong. It hasn't even been a year, "they thought they'd make it bk no problem, and that didnt happen." shows you have 0 understanding of how a business operates.

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anast13h ago

They are going to use AI for a large portion of the game development process. Upper management need bonuses and the shareholders need more money. So, people will lose their jobs.

Skuletor13h ago

Maybe they were already using AI to make business decisions, which would explain why they closed Hi-Fi Rush's studio, then said they need more games like Hi-Fi Rush not long after that announcement.

Crows9013h ago(Edited 13h ago)

They shouldn't have bought any studios. Some is okay...but they went on a shopping spree...stupid

Einhander197212h ago

The better question is why did Microsoft buy publishers for a service they were subsidizing they knew couldn't support.

And why are so many websites trying to make people feel sorry for Microsoft instead of truly criticizing the fact they are closing studios and killing jobs that would have been fine if Microsoft themselves hadn't gotten involved.

Quit feeling sorry for Microsoft and start feeling sorry for the industry and the all the gamers who are actually losing out.

THIS IS MICROSOFTS FAULT.

RNTody12h ago

The first thing that happens after any major acquisition or merger is a consolidation of the whole new portfolio, which includes cutting any excess, bloat or portfolios that don't fit the larger MO of the big boy. So far, it's been par for the course with Microsoft and that's why gamers have been so against this acquisition. Tango Gameworks is the beginning. You think Microsoft wants to pay to keep small timers like Ninja Theory in business?

There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that Microsoft will improve any of these studios, but plenty to suggest that they will get rid of what they don't need and hold onto the IP. The real agenda of the acquisition was always to acquire The Elder Scrolls, Diablo, Fallout, Call of Duty, Candy Crush etc. that will create millions in passive revenue stream for Microsoft regardless of where the games release. Microsoft simply wants their cut.

Because of Games Pass Microsoft has no interest in investing in new IP which is risky and requires creative talent they can neither nurture nor manage. Game Pass has also not grown in the way Microsoft expected it to, even post acquisitions. Therefore the logical thing to do, without serious money makers to release, is to cut as much cost as possible.

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RTX 50 series cooling tested up to 600W, but users want Nvidia to fix the adapter first

Nvidia is allegedly testing GPU coolers to handle up to 600W for the 50 series, reigniting discussion of melting 16-pin connectors.