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Digital Foundry vs. Console Lag: Round Two

EUROGAMER: So, can PlayStation 3 and its so-called "Arc" motion controller offering be put to the test in any kind of meaningful way? So far, the project has been even more carefully guarded than Natal. Less than two weeks from now, GDC kicks off and with it the first opportunity to get a good look at the wand and hopefully go hands-on with the motion controller. I expect it to be very good: after all, most of the component technologies that comprise the system are out there now for anybody to try.

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misleading pic the arc isnt even in that link
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Original title = Digital Foundry vs. Console Lag: Round Two
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This has nothing to do with the Arc. They are not testing the Arc because the ydon't have one. Garbage title and article but that is par for the course here at N4G.
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This has nothing to do with the XBox 360.
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This is about the PS3 controller and has nothing to do with the 360 section. Report
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"Arc" have nothing to do with the Xbox...
NeutralGamer5206d ago WhoDisagree(0)Agree(0)
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How does this test the arc when it doesn't actually USE the arc, or any games made for the arc? Way to go, N4G, way to go.
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Title is misleading. Not indicative of actual article content.
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Article is false. Arc isn't being tested therefore the article is basically one big deception.
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A user with multiple accounts changed the title of the article and approved it himself. This has NOTHING to do with Arc.
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False title. The arc is not at all involved and the title is "Digital Foundry vs. Console Lag: Round Two" in the article.
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Misleading title to discredit Sony, trying to use the Lag of a camera to say that the motion orb will be the same.
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How can the Arc be put to the test.... without the Arc!??!!
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The title is not right. Put the original title. They're NOT testing the arc.
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we won5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

" BioShock 2 Frame-rate Locked 133-150ms
BioShock 2 Frame-rate Unlocked 100-150ms
Call of Duty: World at War 66ms-100ms
Dante's Inferno 100ms
Killzone 2 150-183ms
LittleBigPlanet 100ms
Mirror's Edge 133ms
MotorStorm: Pacific Rift 116ms-133ms
Resident Evil 5 100-150ms
Ridge Racer 7 66ms
Street Fighter IV 66ms
Unreal Tournament III 100-133ms
WipEout HD 84ms"

Natal? doing much more with less lag? Of course PS3 fans were not fooling anybody with their barrage of pro PS3 wand comments in Natal articles bashing Natal. They do this to make noise trying to distract people from thinking about how Sony's wand is just a tacked on reaction to Natal just as Sixaxix tech was to the Wiimote.

Looks like PS3 wand taxes PS3 hardware pretty good I expect quality PSN games with the wand. I wonder how devs will make games with PS3's lackluster memory use?

The wand should have a Chip.

I wonder if this will get approved/make the front page or will PS3 fans google the description and title and read this else where so that the degrees stays low enough to avoid the front page.

"So far, the project has been even more carefully guarded than Natal"

^^FOR GOOD REASON.

NeptuneMerc5206d ago

And people say that Natal lagged. Hopefully this shuts up the haters, but who am I kidding their mindless drones.

young juice5206d ago

wait wait wait....werent you the one talking about how ps3 fanboys were doing damage control on the natal articles, yet i come here and see you and your girlfriends flaming it up.... you just contradicted yourself. you hypocrite

zootang5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Grand Theft Auto IV 133ms-200ms
Halo 3 100ms-150ms
Left 4 Dead 100ms-133ms
LEGO Batman 133ms
Mirror's Edge 133ms
Street Fighter IV 67ms
Soul Calibur IV 67ms-84ms
Unreal Tournament 3 100ms-133ms
X-Men Origins: Wolverine 133ms
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

They are for the 360 so we won i really don't get your point. You would expect it to be slower on more graphic intense game would you not? So again point?

RememberThe3575206d ago

both Natal and the "Arc" are going to be massive failures to gamers.

Tinted Eyes5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Look at all the PS3 haters. Its not even finished yet.

Lol @ the disagrees, still won't change the fact that this is the PS-EYE not the Arc, sad little fanboys :)

Microsoft Xbox 3605206d ago

Fact is, the PS3 Arc is the only 1:1 motion controller out there.

Lord Vader5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Have to agree. If the article is accurate, motion controls for Sony ain't looking too good...

But I think Natal will definately have issues, it's trying to do a whole lot without lag, but down the road, with the right game development, it could be really cool for sports games & driving & action games too...

Hopefully Sony will improve this tech before release....

evrfighter5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

my mx518 mouse

5ms

The problem is bluetooth. I've tried once using a bluetooth mouse. my $80 logitech something went into the trash 1 hour after I saw how horrible it was for fps games.

I'll never use a wireless mouse ever again.

Saaking5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

They're NOT testing the arc though. They're testing the PSeye itself.

This guys do NOT have an arc to test out. It's just testing the PSeye, and OBVIOUSLY the PSeye does have Lag. Sony knows this and that's the reason they made the arc in the first place. Seriously, how desperate can these Sony bashers get?

EDIT:

Okay 360 fans, READ this before starting to blindly bash the arc.

This test IS NOT TESTING THE ARC. Ok, got it? Now don't make fools of yourselves alright. Read the article before posting.

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Cold 20005206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Karma is a b*tch.

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Will-UK5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

You are a hyprocrite, in a Arc article being a troll

I bet later ill see you in natal article calling it revolutionary, when we had eyetoy do similar thing in the ps2 days.

1 - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

2 - http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Also a early PS3 eyetoy video
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Stop trolling, dont try calling me a fanboy check my comment history.
Although natal is advanced it is in no way revolutionary.

DERKADER5206d ago

Hmmm which gimmicky control scheme do I not want to use? This happened with the Wii, you buy it because it's cool new tech but it's just a gimmick that gets old quick. Because standing up and shaking my arms is exactly how I want to play a game. But the fanboys are going to debate motion controls now just because Sony and MS are releasing their own completely different takes on it.

Tinted Eyes5206d ago

Didnt read the article did you?

Lol fanboys will grasp at anything to bash Sony., and they still come out looking like fools.

Microsoft Xbox 3605206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

It's sad when you have to use your other 10 accounts to agree with yourself.

Incoming disagrees.

TheBand1t5206d ago

After re-reading the article.....all they have is a PS Eye. They don't have a wand on hand to test.

:/

Carlton Banks5206d ago

So basically all the 360 fanboys got happy because they though this was the arc but it turned out to be the PS-Eye?

Man do they look stupid right now.

OmarJA-N4G5206d ago

we won/Cold 2000/Omega4/Jason 360/Sonyslave3/Bungie & the list goes on...

Just watch your bubbles bro.

fr0sty5206d ago

One thing this article fails massively at, besides being an outright lie with it's misleading headline, is they try to pin Arc's latency on what PSeye produces.

PSeye is not used only for the the actual motion tracking, but calibrating the system so it knows at any given point how far away from the console you are. The actual tracking is done by the gyro in the controller (just like Wii Motion+). So, any lag that is present with the eye is offset by the instantaneous input from Arc's gyro sensor. Together, they provide a level of accuracy that is beyond any other motion controller out there.

And, with all of these 100-200ms delays being built right into the games themselves using standard controllers, imagine what Natal will give you!

Chaos695206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Karma is indeed a b*tch.

President Tretton5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

There's a reason 360 fans are always laughed at and ridiculed.

Look at how they mindlessly bash the arc and here's the funny part....

The article isn't about the arc. It's about the PS3.

haha, wow.

PS3 fans, bookmark this page so you can shove it in 360 fan's faces. It's so hilarious. They all look so dumb right now. hahahahahha!!

iFLOWLIKEWATER5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Ummm...don't you have to have the PSeye for the Arc to work?

Edit: Along with my disagree(s) can I have a answer to my question?

Edit: Below...thanks.

President Tretton5206d ago

@above

Yea, you do. That's is why Sony is developing the Arc in the first place. They know that the PSeye by itself lags a lot which makes certain type of games (hardcore games) impossible.

That's the REASON they made the arc. To deliver true 1:1 motion controls. All this article is doing is testing out the PSeye and we already know that that lags a lot. Just like Natal.

Carlton Banks5206d ago

Notice how none of the 360 fanboys are talking anymore, they are just disagreeing, lol dumb fanboys.

fr0sty5206d ago

yes, pseye is required, as that is what provides the data it needs to know where you are in the room, voice recognition, facial recognition, body/head tracking, etc.

But, the gyro in arc is what provides the main input.

The-Warranty5206d ago

OMG this is just to delicious, all the 360 fanboys got happy and its not even the Arc!!

LMFAO!!!!!

Anorexorcist5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

So many disagrees to so many sensible comments.

"They were not testing the Arc. The Arc isn't available publicy yet"
15+ disagrees.

@ Cold

Kharma has always been a b*tch, especially most recently against Aaron Greenburg who recently had said in an article that Xbox 360 was going to outsell PS3 consistantly for the entire year of 2010. This recent update is what threw his santimonious a$$ back on the ground.

http://www.n4g.com/News-482...

Natal's lag has already been proven, Sony's Arc controller still has hope and at GDC I am willing to bet the news reports from there will be a real kharma backlash to all the pathetic Anti-PS3 fannies in here.

headwing455206d ago

I'm going to be honest, I didn't read the article, I just saw the video, and from reading the comments, it looks like they didn't test the controller with the EYE, just the EYE itself.

If that is the case, this article is completely bias. If you watch the E3 demo, you get a perfect view of how accurate it really is. Someone do a slow motion video of that and then you have my attention.

AliTheBrit195206d ago

You know what

Screw Natal

Screw Sony 'Arc'

Screw the Wii

It's as simple as this, Nintendo knew they couldn't match up to Sony and Microsoft in terms of big development and hardware, so they got away with crappy last gen hardware with mostly crappy games by giving it a big gimmick, motion control,
This gimmick caught on, and suddenly a huge mainstream casual market where buying it.

The sales of the Wii where so good that Sony and Microsoft couldn't ignore it any longer, and thus Arc and Natal where born.

ActionBastard5206d ago

I like that the list is of real games, not just dodgeball/paint splat.

IdleLeeSiuLung5206d ago

"Look at all the PS3 haters. Its not even finished yet. " -tinted eyes

Did you see the Natal article: http://www.n4g.com/xbox360/...

yeah... now contrast that with this article!

SilentNegotiator5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

There was that article that the kid changed from being about how they cut back Lost Planet 2 content because of the 360 to a title saying that it wasn't the case (Despite the explicit comment by the publisher).

Lots of happy xbox fanboys here, giddy over nothing, as usual.

What it comes down to is that the footage we saw of Natal was laggy as heck both at E3 2009 and the most recent of footage (Which has seen no improvement, if not degradation) and the ARC has been much more respondent since E3.

tronz5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

The PlayStation motion controller uses PlayStation Eye. The PlayStation motion controller is limited by the PlayStation Eye's hardware. please stop with this -not the Ark- stuff. Natal is one single unit and the PlayStation motion controller uses two devices so testing one half still proves the wand's ability because the wand is not magically going to change the capability of the PlayStation Eye. Once the wand is thrown in the mix things could get worse IMO. Not hard to understand my PS3 friends.

DaTruth5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Maybe this is the reason playing NES mods on the PS3 seemed so difficult. It felt like I had barely a millisecond to perform some falling platform jumps! When I was playing these titles as a kid, there was no TV lag like I am probably getting from my 60hz LCD.

Was I reading the same link? They did no tests on Arc and stated how quickly the Playstation Eye is capable of responding. I'm not sure what you guys are commenting on!

"Crucially for the purposes of our discussion, he is able to measure the camera's latency at just one frame, or 16.67ms. For the Arc project, Sony could’ve binned off the camera and used a new one, but PlayStation Eye's impressive spec is accomplished enough that they didn't need to do so."

Am I missing something here?

SilentNegotiator5206d ago

Tracking motion alone isn't the same as tracking light and built in detection, to all you dreaming of the Eye "Limiting" the ARC.

morganfell5206d ago

Sorry but they claim that is similar tech to Arc and it isn't similar when tracking a human hand. This is why closeups of last years live E3 demo show no lag. Because The PS Eye can track the controller much more accurately than a human hand. This is the purpose of the globe on the end of the Arc wand.

I don't know who they think they are fooling with this idiot article but rest assured it isn't anyone that isn't already digging for an excuse to pull the Arc down to Natal's laggy level.

Foliage5206d ago

How did this get approved with a completely fabricated title? You bots are so desperate it's not even funny. Did GOW3 make your console look so pathetic that you guys had to make stuff up?

The article has nothing to do with Arc. The original article title had nothing to do with Arc. A moron with the reading comprehension skills of a 2 yeard old/an average xbox user completely made up the title.

The title could have been changed to "Natal" just as easily, since the article has as much to do with Natal as the Arc: Nothing.

sikbeta5206d ago

@we won

Pal, if the "wand" is laggy, I Have the option to not buy it, is not like I'll buy it cuz is a Sony Product, but you really need to PROVE something with natal, if it's laggy, just [DEAL WITH IT], don't come up with cr@p like, "Oh..the other thing is laggy too", no matter what you say:

wii-motion-control = Gimmick
ps-eye = Gimmick
natal = Gimmick

You can play Games if natal Fail...

Anorexorcist5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

We're giving all the pathetic, delusional disagree-happy PS3 detractors a workout in index-finger calisthenics.

They disagree to everything (yet don't give proper rebuttals to prove why they disagree) with such powerful vigor, like if they're in some Rocky Balboa sports training montage or something.

fear885206d ago

This clearly belongs in the PS3 section only.

OnlyOnN4G5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

This article's about PS Eye alone, not Arc. PS Eye + Arc = True 1:1 motion as clearly demonstrated in this vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

ScoobyDrew5206d ago

this isn't even the f***ing arc! its the Eye, which lags like a mofo

tronz5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

I was wondering if you know how the Arc works.

The PS3 motion controller uses bluetooth for face button input and uses "the Eye, which lags like a mofo" for motion. The wand is just a plastic stick that sends bluetooth signals to the PS3 and admits led lights for the PSeye to read. It has nothing to do with how the Ark will perform. Terrible excuse.

D4RkNIKON5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Yeah why the hell would the blutooth send data from the accelerometers? That would just make too much sense... I am beginning to wonder if YOU know how Arc works..

Edit- I am waiting for your response.. Where is it? So you are going to tell me that the motion controller doesn't have accelerometers to work WITH the PSeye. That is the difference between the Arc and Natal, oh and buttons!

Haha I love these disagrees from scared fanboys. Nothing in my statement was false or an opinion. The disagree button should read "Denial"

Bigpappy5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Natal has not been released yet, neither has the PSWand. Yet you guys put so much energy into trying to predict the demise of Natal when it is not made with you in mind. You hate it when 360 owners get excited about something new on their system, so you take it upon yourselves to talk about things that are way above your pay grade. You know absolutely nothing about Natal ar the wand and yet you know more that the developers and the people who actually tested the tech. I have to hold my nose to read some of the shyt that I see on this site (even though you are typing it, it still got a pungent smell to it.

Edit: This site was great when they had an article last month showing Natal's lag. Now that they shown that PSeye lags even worst, the site is trying to pull down the ARC. Do you people have no shame?

pixelsword5206d ago

How does this test the arc when it doesn't actually USE the arc, or any games made for the arc?

Reported.

tronz5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

I didn't say that. I said all the wand does is send bluetooth signals to the PS3 for user input and admits light for PSeye to track but it won't change the limitations of the PSeye. Don't twist my words please.

EDIT

I didn't ignore anything it's not relevant. Talking about "three-axis linear accelerometer and a three-axis angular rate sensor used to track rotation" makes about as much sense as somebody defending Natal's lag by bringing up the orientation of the gamer in front of Natal.

D4RkNIKON5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

"The PS3 motion controller uses bluetooth for face button input and uses the Eye, which lags like a mofo for motion"

Twist your words? These are your words! You completely ignore the fact that the controller has accelerometers that (just like the wii) track motion. Don't be so ignorant. Disagree all you want but your statements are missing facts.

Oh here come the disagrees huh? Well her is a video that proves it. Disagreeing is only proving that you wish that it wasn't true.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
Start vid at 1:30 and hear all about the gyroscopes and accelerometers ;) Maybe, you will learn something. maybe

DaTruth5206d ago

The MS marketing machine is already at it! They had Natal in an episode of Caprica... of course playing 100 balls flying at you game because I guess there is no other game.

fear885206d ago

Burnout Paradise 67ms
BioShock (frame-locked) 133ms
BioShock (unlocked) as low as 67ms
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 67ms-84ms
Call of Duty: World at War 67ms-100ms
Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood 100ms
Forza Motorsport 2 67ms
Geometry Wars 2 67ms
Guitar Hero: Aerosmith 67ms
Grand Theft Auto IV 133ms-200ms
Halo 3 100ms-150ms
Left 4 Dead 100ms-133ms
LEGO Batman 133ms
Mirror's Edge 133ms
Street Fighter IV 67ms
Soul Calibur IV 67ms-84ms
Unreal Tournament 3 100ms-133ms
X-Men Origins: Wolverine 133ms

The lag is still there even on the xbox and the source is none other than http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Mr Logic5206d ago

Omg! Are you people really that retarded? People have said that the lag on Natal reaches up to 800ms.

nycredude5206d ago

You sony bashers are a bunch of retards. This only proves one thing. THat natal will fail because you will have this lag no matter what. THat is why Sony has been playing with this natal tech for years now (Natal is just a eyetoy and pseye) but decided to scratch support and come up with the arch. MS is only trying to copy Sony's last gen ideas, which is the only thing they know how to do well. Sony's arch is the better tech of the two. Quote me on this. I have the eye and several games for it (yes Sony already has "natal" out and have games for it) and it does have a little lag. Natal will lag no way around it. Arch won't is fact.

IaMs125206d ago

WHoa whoa whoa, i love the fact that every person in here is pointing out "That people love to bash Sony." well yah some do BUT look at the 360 threads im sorry there are more freaking PS3 fanboys in the 360 threads then 360 owners bashing it. EVERY article i go into has you damn fanboys bashing. (Both consoles) anyways, i dont think either will become too popular anyways, and both will have LAG like ALL computers have. There is no perfect motion controller yet.

N4P3G.com indeed, at its best folks... If people on PSN are like you guys on N4G, ill take the kids on Xbox LIVE anyday, i cannot stand you Sony boys... Disagree away:) its the new thing, to have a bunch of disagrees and you are cool :)

Either way i hope both do well, because they BOTH can do something awesome for the industry.

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Sonyslave35206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

sony wand lag more then natal and all it doing is following a pink ball.

we won5206d ago

Boy I wish this would stop the Natal bashing but this Natal hate is not about LAG! If it's not lag driving the hate it will be something else. Any excuse they can find will be used because the Sony camp and Sony themselves fear the impact Natal will cause in the casual world.

The-Warranty5206d ago

Lol at both of you. Its not even the Arc

talltony5206d ago

No one cares about natal but little kids such as yourself.

TehCell5206d ago

Will anyone actually buy this?
"um i will"
No you wont. Go play Heavy Rain.

Saaking5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

They're NOT testing the wand. No wonder you 360 fans are the laughing stock of the gaming community. How about you read the article... man, I'm gonna save this story just for the lulz.

haha!

DelusionalMsBot5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

Saaking you need very little convincing to be conviced by sony

Edit: i also think the motion controls suck and should just stay on the wii

Lol saaking nice stealth edit (he said he will buy arc if sony convince him)

TehCell5206d ago

Of course you will buy it.

8.1 - "So far, I'm disappointed in BOTH of them."
2.1 - "I might buy it, but Sony has to show some very good stuff to convince me."

Sony will just tell you it is technically superior and you will buy it. In fact, you will buy two, each for a seperate price.

I will not be surprised the day you buy it and go "hur hur dis is awsom natal sux lolololz"

n4gno5206d ago

The cell, you know so much how xbox fans acts...that you think ps3 gamers are the same kind of ridiculous fans, but no, only xbox fans are bashing best games, hardware, are believing in greentard and ms sites words.

If with the best hardware and games, the wand is what we have seen, a real wiimote 1.1, it would be an other great thing for gamers...if pseye natal is good too, it would be only for casual galming (like eye toy)

sikbeta5206d ago

"Sony will just tell you it is technically superior and you will buy it"

Pal, The Same way M$ is hyping natal like if it's the Second Coming of God and you know there is Not Second Coming...

Anyway, The Whole Motion-Control Stuff is Annoying and is just Gimmicky, no more, no less...

IaMs125206d ago

you guys all act like hyping for either company is a new thing, get over yourselves

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BannedForNineYears5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

That video was just testing the PS Eye.
Not necessarily the Arc.
If you look at the E3 video of the Arc, you can clearly see absolutely no lag.
While on the Natal E3 video, you can clearly see lag.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc... Look at 2:22 when she moves forward...Really...How can any hardcore gaming bare that kind of latency?

Xi5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

It looks like there's lag to me...

Not as prodominant as natal, but lag still noticeable by the human eye.

at roughly the 2 minute mark, when he starts using the flashlight you can see the difference in the motion... And again at the tank demo, you can see the screen lag behind the movement.

360FTW25206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

HARDCORE GAMING.

This term is seriously being over played.

Can someone give me an official definition for "Hardcore Gamer/Hardcore Gaming", clear and concise please, not some fanboy's interpretation of what it means. Hardcore gaming has been skewed almost as bad as AAA titles in terms of definition.

Please help me to understand. Remember, only quality definitions.

Thanks in advance.

BannedForNineYears5206d ago

Someone who plays MW 2 :P
Lol jk.
Someone who doesn't play Puzzle games? Someone who doesn't play Hello Kitty Island Adventures?

Renewman5206d ago

I can see where fanboys will try to twist the words but the article itself said that even Halo 3 itself couldn't go any lower than 100ms for lag. Developers have to find that magical spot to make lagless gameplay with wireless controllers with monitors and tvs factored in. As long as the lag isn't so severe it affects my gameplay than everything is peachy despite what some fanboys will tell you.

Lord Vader5206d ago (Edited 5206d ago )

"So yes, Killzone 2 latency is confirmed at 150ms, a full 50 per cent higher than many 30FPS first-person shooters."

I'd say that affects gameplay my friend...

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Aquanauts Holiday at $500. Nice

jznrpg2d ago

I don’t collect games for their value I collect games I enjoyed playing. Many games I own are worth a lot of money but they must be games I want to play for me to purposely collect them. Most of this list isn’t games I would enjoy. I may have some of these games because I bought my friends PS2/3 Collection years ago and I never actually looked what was in it. It was a couple hundred games though still sitting in a box and I’m sure there are some good valuable games. I should go sift through it sometime.

Profchaos2d ago

I tend to agree for the most part rarity is linked to price
It's unusual that a rare game was popular with a few notable exceptions. Games released at the tail end of a consoles lifecycle which became popular years or decades later like little Samson on the NES or earthbound on SNES.
Or games that were banned after release in certain regions

Looking at this list there's nothing I'd be trying to collect either most of these games were fairly unpopular and bashed on their release leading to the scarcity seen now.
Especially NBA elite which I remember actually watching the news about how it got cancelled but had already shipped to retail it was so bad .

P_Bomb2d ago

I still have Afrika. Who knew it’d be worth something?

MrBaskerville2d ago

Was unaware that Verdict Day was rare, glad I still own my copy. Game is very good.

Chocoburger1d 21h ago

She forgot to mention Ni no Kuni Wrath of the White Witch Wizard's Edition with Ninostarter bonuses. This is the second or third most expensive PS3 game, and I own a sealed copy.

https://ninokuni.fandom.com...

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