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Videogame 'fans' need to shut up about everything

Jim Sterling writes: "There are certain games that have earned themselves a hardcore following. It was the recent revelation of Sonic the Hedgehog 4 and the stream of criticism it received that really got me thinking about this. These people call themselves fan, and we are all happy to go along with it, but when they reveal themselves to be perpetually unsatisfied, prone to complaints over the tiniest details, and outright spiteful, I think they need a new name.

Instead of fans, I declare that they should be known as people who need to shut up about everything."

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Parapraxis5207d ago

Jim needs to shut up about everything.
Seriously.
He's like a troll that was rejected from 4chan, only worse.

solidjun55207d ago

[I] need to write an article that is titled "Jim Sterling should STFU!! Seriously"

4chan? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I needed that. I agree. Further proof that even media have their special "Bungie."

deadreckoning6665207d ago (Edited 5207d ago )

2 Questions:

1. What is it that people don't like about Sterling exactly?

2. Why do people who don't like Sterling keep on commenting on his articles?

Serious questions BTW.

Edit: I read his article and you should too. It talks about the crazy things fans complain about that normal people wouldn't care about.

"Then there are other arguments. Petitions for Sonic to be redesigned so that he looks exactly like his 16-bit counterpart. People going so far as to criticize the fact that Sonic has some color in his eyes, or that his legs are too long. Once again, this is a game people have wanted for a long time, and as soon as they get it, they start finding other things to moan about."

It makes good sense, to me anywayz.

@Chris- I care because I'm curious to see why people are complaining about a guy I see nothing wrong with. If you don't like him, why waste ur time here? Btw, the fact that you state hes FAT as one of his flaws just shows what kind of person you are. Are you predjudice against fat people?

@pixelword- Well, I think it makes sense to comment on the article rather than the journalist. Only ONE other person has commented on the article itself. If you know beforehand, that u have a bias against Sterling, then please don't talk about it here. I like Sterling's articles and id like to hear other criticisms about the article that are free of bias.

Edit: yeah lol, I can def understand that. I do it all the time in Heavy Rain articles. I don't know why, but I do it :) U r right though, if u don't like something speaking out about it can help.

Chris3995207d ago (Edited 5207d ago )

but is he trying to be ironic?

Seeing as he's the mascot, the champion of the cause even, for obnoxious, loudmouthed, red-faced fanboys.

@ dead. He's a $hit disturber. He writes flame-bait, polarizing articles. He's like a substantially less intelligent, political, interesting version of Howard Stern or Rush Limbaugh. He wears a monocle. He's fat. He probably stinks. Pick a reason, any reason. He's quite simply annoying.

Questions for you, dear chap. Are you Jim Sterling? His friend or portly lover perhaps? And why do you care if people dislike his vocal spew?

Not so serious questions, btw :P

Saaking5207d ago

Why? If we don't complain, Devs will just sit back and abuse their power. Look at 360 owners. They don't cry out about anything and MS takes advantage in every way possible.

It's good to know that PS3 and PC fans actually stand up and speak out. It may not work sometimes, but at least we're trying.

pixelsword5207d ago (Edited 5207d ago )

Are you asking why people comment on him when they don't like him?

I can't answer for everyone, but let's just say it's the same reason why certain people go to articles on subjects they don't like and make comments.

Unicron5207d ago (Edited 5207d ago )

"Edit: I read his article and you should too. It talks about the crazy things fans complain about that normal people wouldn't care about."

I read it. It's hardly news, it's flamebait, per usual. It focuses on a vocal minority which is amplified by the web, then basically flames them. While I may not agree with the vocal minority all the time, just as often they DO have a point. It's also ironic because this guy has basically made a career out of "I'm right, you're wrong" articles. So why is it okay for Jim to b1tch about things, but not okay for fans?

This is some BS attempt at a self-empowering "I'm better than you" excuse for an article. The vocal minority has been around since the advent of the web when it comes to gaming, this is nothing new. So why speak out on it now? Oh right, because he can force HIS opinion, which is "correct" unlike ours, down our throats.

Clearly the media is unable to lead by example and take the mature route. Nope, they just perpetuate the cycle for hits. I don't care WHO he is, since I don't know the man. But I know what he writes, and it's crap.

pixelsword5207d ago

You're pretty insightful when you're not eating planets.

Chris3995207d ago

And I work in the health and fitness industry and deal with people's struggles (and drive them towards successes) in this area on a daily basis. The comment was clearly meant to be coy, baseless, offhanded and crude - much like Jim Sterling's work. It is not honestly how I feel. I obviously hit a nerve with you. Being sensitive on the Internet is a bit of a lost cause fyi.

boodybandit5207d ago (Edited 5207d ago )

"Jim Sterling writes:"

This guy has no shame. He is one of the biggest contributors to fueling the fanboy wars.

Jim you are an
ignorant
obnoxious
hypocrite.
Please STOP writing articles.
I'd rather read bruceongames articles. That is how much, or should I say litte, I think of Jim Sterling

@1.2
I wont give Destructoid hits if I was paid to do so. Unless someone copy and paste the full article here I will only read what is displayed above.

solidjun55207d ago (Edited 5207d ago )

Cause we can. And Unicron provided good clarity why WE think there's something wrong with a fanboy posed as a journalist.

"I can't answer for everyone, but let's just say it's the same reason why certain people go to articles on subjects they don't like and make comments."

LOL! good one.

AKNAA5207d ago

Some people don't care, some do a little and some people are just extreamely "passionate" and nit-picky about everything. sure, you wanna tell them to STFU at times, but its no reason to Label as that because without them, we probably wouldn't have as much rights as we do now.

mastiffchild5207d ago

More yawnsome dog mess from La Sterling the most self obsessed man in the whole gaming media. D'toid itself is a bad enough site yet Sterling always manages to look even worse-it's a talent Jim, well done, it's the only one outside of overeating you might have!

Yes, some games have an element among the fans who complain about the tiniest, silliest thing and their moaning and petition writing CAN hurt our cause when a real issue comes up as people won't take the real, deserved complaint seriously and the moaners also make some gamers unresponsive to complaining when they ARE being conned or abused by the industry.

BUT the bigger problem is fanboyism and industry toadying that is divisive and rife within our community and makes us way easier to control than the TINY minority of gamers arsed enough to petition over absolutely sod all. Honestly,. he goes on about the Sonic4 moans and ignores 1, just how small the numbers of complainers are compared to the sales of ANY recent Sonic title on home consoles-you'll see just how small the moaning minnies who do these silly letters, mails and petitions.

So, miss the point and come over like a sanctimonious, arrogant, condescending tool. Why change now Jim?His opinion of himself is so big it gives itself chronic vertigo and it shows little chance of slowing it's growth either. Maybe it will get to some sort of critical(get it?) Mass(get it?) one day, implode and leave us with a new, talented and useful member of the media? We can only hope.

SilentNegotiator5207d ago

LOL, ya beat me to it, parapraxis.

DatNJDom815207d ago

must be that time of the month. Just like a woman's period, destructoid always delivers garbage every month.

Syronicus5207d ago

Starting with Destructoids very own idiot fanboy, Jim Sterling.

Tricksy5206d ago

Papraxis, you need to comment more on these boards. I wanna see a Para comment for every Bungie comment.

At least then ill have something to balance out the devastatingly moronic comments I have to read from that bot.

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-Mezzo-5207d ago

This *Butt Sniffer* is hands down the most annoying person who calls himself a Video-Game Journalist i would chose *HHG* over him any day -anywhere.

Ninji5207d ago

I stopped reading at "Jim Sterling writes".

Unicron5207d ago (Edited 5207d ago )

Jim Sterling and Chris Buffa are the most blatant hypocrites I have EVER had the displeasure of reading. Their articles are trash and incite the very BS they are now condemning.

Pot. Kettle. Fools.

"Criticism is fine, of course, but the sheer hatred and bile that spews from self-professed fans takes it too far."

Hypocrite.

pixelsword5207d ago (Edited 5207d ago )

That site has imploded a long time ago.

I used to like that site, but now... =/

Maybe I'll see if I can write for that site.

Not that I'm a better writer, I don't insult fans;

fanboys, yeah, skip them; but not regular fans.

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15 Great Games Where Every Minute of the Experience Feels Earned

GB: "We take a look at 15 amazing games that had the perfect length."

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coolbeans1d 14h ago

Pretty good list. Botany Manor would be the newest addition that encapsulates that title.

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Anyone else not blown away with graphics these days? Me neither

Talal writes: "I'm talking about having that rush of excitement - that feeling you get when you know you've just made a memory for a lifetime."

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OptimusDK4d ago

There are different games. Some have gamplay at it highest priority, some have the story, some have the replay value and choices... There are a lot of different game experiences.

It is laughable that just now graphics does not have anything to do with that experiene. We have had many games of that type over time. This is just the one that have come closest to feel like playing an actual movie. Just look the the Digital foundry walkthrough it is a masterpiece in that perspective and hence wrth trying. But yes do not do it for the gameplay - but that was never the goal of this experience.

GamerRN4d ago

It's because it's on Xbox. When Xbox has amazing graphics, they don't matter. When PlayStation does, it's a game changer!

Lightning774d ago

Pretty much my thoughts. They were technical marvel's on PS and still are. The moment Xbox puts out a graphically intense game is doesn't matter suddenly.

4 years ago this month would the UE5 tech demo debut with the girl flying (tech demo said it was only possible on PS5 because of the SSD. Glad to finally see it in its glory.

fr0sty4d ago

FFS, gaming journalism has really gone downhill. At least hire people with a basic grasp of grammar... "Me neither" means the exact opposite of what the "author" is trying to say. That's like saying "I could care less"... lol.

S2Killinit4d ago

Maybe because the gameplay being dull allowed it to have the amazing graphics and people are not as impressed by graphics alone anymore? I mean there is a lot of sites saying the story and the gameplay are lackluster. So what are we supposed to enjoy then? Cgi graphics are beautiful but since they arent interactive, they dont impress me as much as they used to. Thats an extreme example, but you get my drift.

Terry_B4d ago

When Playstation (Sony) does it..its usually a great game and not a cinematic experience..or at least something new at the time..like Until Dawn back in 2015.

1Victor4d ago

@gamer:” It's because it's on Xbox. When Xbox has amazing graphics, they don't matter. When PlayStation does, it's a game changer!”

The game looks as good as any other PlayStation game in my eyes why can’t you and the other hardcore Xbox be happy about it and drag PlayStation into every conversation and force PlayStation hardcore to look into the game and find flaw that most games have in one way or another.
@light: “ 4 years ago this month would the UE5 tech demo debut with the girl flying (tech demo said it was only possible on PS5 because of the SSD. ”
Yes at that time it was only possible on PlayStation SSD how ignorant of you to think that after 4 years the technology wouldn’t evolved and move to a industry standard 🤦🏿I wish your mentality wasn’t so naive and narrow to post stuff like that 😩 in a year or 2 a new game will come out that might look better, it’s the nature of the industry.

Now that the distraction is gone I feel that is a good thing that the graphics in games are starting to hit the rooftop and hopefully the developers will put more thoughts into story and gameplay mechanics than just the next shiny oily skin of old.

Reaper22_4d ago

So true. Not surprised by all the negativity. It's a really good game and looks better than any game I've ever seen. GOTY nominee for sure. Like I said before, sony screwed up big time by not purchasing Ninja Theory.

Asplundh3d ago

Pretty much. It's like how the Switch and Steam controller using haptic feedback in their controllers wasn't a big deal but then Sony did it and it was then a "game changer".

fr0sty3d ago

The game runs at as low as 21fps... That isn't much to brag about no matter how good it looks.

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MajorLazer4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

We've had graphical gamechangers before, such as Crysis but those games still had gameplay to compliment it. Hellblade pretty much has none, and only achieved such graphics through being incredibly linear and having very small, closed off environments where very little is happening.

Vx_3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

GFX does not mean anything if the game is boring. It is simple like that and these major companies need to understand this simple concept.

Games are like your lady, she may be beautiful to look at for a while but then it gets boring if her character isn't interesting and fun to be with.

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Kneetos4d ago

Mario kart 8 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Sonic18814d ago

Horizon forbidden West has great graphics and great gameplay

GamerRN4d ago

Yeah but graphics don't matter, remember?

anast3d ago

@RN

I've been pretty consistent in saying that we need both.

GamerRN2d ago

So until dawn, too human, or whatever those series of games were... Graphic masterpieces it garbage with no gameplay?

VincentVanBro4d ago

I agree and I actually think Forbidden West looks better than Hellblade 2. I easily prefer looking at it at least.

Sonic18813d ago

It does look better in my opinion as well. I don't know why it looks better but there's something about the Decima engine or that guerrilla games is using tricks that we don't know of

Abear213d ago

Can you fly a mount under water in Hellblade 2? I think not! One of the best moments this Gen

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Two Decades Later, the Original Splinter Cell is Still a Masterpiece

They don't make games like this anymore.

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vgvill13d ago

Too dated in my book. The AI is way too unpredictable to be acceptable today. It's definitely a game of its time.

Jingsing13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Agreed with those sentiments. The quality of the CPU controlled characters make or break a stealth game and they are pretty poor in all the Splinter Cell games by today's standard. This is what led me to playing Spies vs Mercs all the time in later games just to get a better stealth experience from a real person. Arguably Sony are making better stealth games albeit not Tom Clancy stuff.

TheProfessional12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You should stick with fortnite or one of the countless bloodborne style games then. What a joke.

rlow112d ago

I had a good time with the game. It is a product of its time. But when it came out it was a must have game for a lot of people. I wish Ubisoft would make another game in the series or at least a reboot.

vgvill12d ago

They are making a remake, I think. I loved the original game when it was released, but I tried to play it again in recent years and just couldn't get on with it. The same with the older Hitman games.

PrecursorOrb12d ago

Yeah chaos theory still holds up though I gotta say. If you’re a fan of the series I highly suggest you go back to that one. Ubi has said they are remaking sc for “modern audiences”. I don’t have a lot of faith for the future of that company

Chocoburger12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Due to the lack of modern stealth games, and me constantly playing the MGS series, I've been looking for alternative stealth games to play, and went back and re-played the SC series recently. I wouldn't call SC1 or SC:PT masterpieces, there are AI issues, they're very much trial-and-error games, and that can lead to a lot of frustration. I also found the stories in this series to be boring, uninteresting, and just sloppily told. Cinematics are also of poor quality for both in-game scenes and CG cut-scenes, the soundtrack didn't leave any impression on me either.

Chaos Theory is better, but there was still a lot of room for improvement, and Double Agent (old gen ver.) was a sloppy mess that ended up a regression from CT. But still, at least they tried back then, these days Ubi-junk doesn't even try to make good games!

HvNzSoul4d ago

Everyone needs to quit with all of the unnessacery Ubi-hate. SC Conviction and Blacklist are both still good games.

HvNzSoul4d ago

Everyone needs to quit with all of the unnecessary Ubi-hate. SC Conviction and Blacklist are both still good games, they just weren't 100% focused on stealth with Conviction and they remedied that in Blacklist. The only thing they have released recently that I was disappointed with was Watch Dogs Legion, and Skull & Bones. Everyone seems to be salty about the misleading trailer for the original Watch Dogs and The Division. Which are also, both good games, and actually Watch Dogs seems like it was ahead of its time even with all the trailer drama (having gone back and played recently, can say the game didnt deserve all the flak). Yeah the misleading E3 trailer that had better graphics than release is understandable to a very small degree, when most Teaser Trailers, or Game Demo's only have that portion of the game developed so they use the highest quality assets of w/e they have being showed, or what they are showing was made purely for the showing, allowing for extra polish . As to the gripes about minor game design changes, or cut features upon a games release just goes to show how unknowledgeable most gamers are in terms of how game development works or to even understand what what the hell a WIP, let alone titles still in early development.

Good games from Ubi since 2014 (Year that SC Blacklist Released) include:

Watch Dogs 1 & 2
The Division 1 & 2 (Although I had a hard time getting into The Division 2 at first)
R6 Siege
Ghost Recon Wildlands & Breakpoint
Immortals Fenyx Rising
AC Origins, Odyssey, MIrage (Haven't finished Valhalla games too damn long)
Far Cry Primal, and 5 (6 also has a length issue)
Avatar Frontiers of Pandora
Prince Of Persia The Lost Crown

Haven't played a couple of titles those being For Honor (played at launch but didn't honestly give it an actual go), The Crew, R6 Extraction and at the time of writing this xDefiant.

Even if you absolutely hated any of the above titles, they aren't inherently bad games, they're just good, but not always top quality either.

I say give Ubi credit where credit is due, they at least fix games post launch if they start out rough, Breakpoint is an excellent example this and is such an enjoyable experience now compared to it's launch.