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Valve slams 'sh*tty party games'

CVG: Valve has slammed "sh*tty" motion control party-games - and, despite expressing interest in Project Natal, has pledged never to place a 'tiresome' mini-game for the device in Left 4 Dead.

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dangert125180d ago

valve just keeps saying the write things XD
personally i think microsoft and sony should onlyy allow ther own fitness /party games on there platforms getting ride of wii like shovel ware

Commander TK5180d ago

just STFU. Seriously, since when were they right about anything?

Lykon5180d ago

that left for dead is a tiresome mini game....looks around innocently

RadientFlux5180d ago

I don't think Valve is always right. Though I do agree about the effect that party games are having on the video game industry and how it's not positive.

Christopher5180d ago

May not like their thoughts about PS3, but I love their thoughts on this.

Shadow Flare5180d ago

Gabe newell hates games that require physical movement. Why am I not surprised. Title should have read: "Valve slam party games and salad"

Lykon5179d ago

lmao shadow poor old gabe would certainly not be able to use a motion controler himself he probably gets out of breath holding a normal controller.

mastiffchild5179d ago

Well, as someone who's enjoyed their PC games and been dismayed at the poor quality and lack of support(by comparison)the 360 gamer gets if I was a 360 only gamer they'd be my LEAST favourite developer!

Seriously, their PC to 360 ports are weaker than nearly everyone else's! The only reason ANY 360 fan might like them is because they unprofessionally knock the PS3!Compare the quality gap between the PC versions of ME2 and L4D with their console counterpart to see JUST how lacking Valve's lazy, cash hungry console ports can be.

Yeah, I'll get disagreed with but in my eyes it's a fact that they just don't put the same effort in on the 360 that they do on PC and when 360 games are dearer(I paid twice the price of my Steam copy of L4D for my 360 one!). They only want your cash on 360 and the worst thing is they don't even have the time to get on with HL2 Ep3!

I won't fall for another of their console games til they change the quality a lot and, honestly, wish they NEVER started.

Also, while tons of motion control games are exactly what Valve rail against here who's to say NOTHING good will come of it all? Safer to stay silent than risk looking tools when that happens isn't it?

ico925179d ago

well yeah im actually gonna agree with valve on this,shovel ware party games do nothing but exploit a market on a console, they are completley irrelevant to gaming and do nothing but make a consoles library look like complete and utter sh!t

djfullshred5179d ago

Consumers decide what sells & what doesn't. There is a lot of room out there for both family oriented motion control games & FPS games where people can shoot zombies. If a developer decides to focus on the causal market instead of the more serious gaming market, then another developer will come in and exploit that opening in the market. The demand for the more serious games will always be there.

Tony P5179d ago

I thought I was going to be disagreeing with this, but turns out no so much.

It's right on the money imo. I had an EyeToy, I had a Vision Cam, I had a Power Glove, I had a Power Pad. They all sucked cos they were only made for a few games...most of which sucked.

That's why I didn't jump on Natal or Sony's thing with any enthusiasm. Yeah, the tech is cool but historically the games have been mostly throwaways you have fun with for ten minutes then never play again. Sony and Nintendo are hugely guilty of this in the past despite having very talented first-parties. I dunno about MS since they're new to motion peripherals, but it looks like it could easily be the same waste of time.

FragGen5179d ago

While I agree with the guy's sentiment, Valve REALLY need to get over themselves.

solar5179d ago

why? i expected the ps3 to come out of the gate like gang busters. the best piece of propitiatory hardware to destroy the 360 in terms of sales. yet it didnt. it was, in fact, a disaster. no games that took advantage of the "cell" and show us as consumers that the ps3 was far grater then the 360.

what it comes down to is the ps3 demands a far better knowledge of the hardware which many developers, other than first party with Sony showing them the ropes, dont have the resources to afford. see ND with the UC serious and GG with KZ.

not ever developer has the resources to slob on the D of Sony and its, now defucnted processor that is the "cell". i dont blame any developer that didnt jump on the bandwagon.

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Natsu X FairyTail5180d ago

lazy town confirmed for ARC and Natal

:(

it as begun.

dgroundwater5179d ago

I would be very tempted to play that :)

Rocket Sauce5179d ago

Me too. No amount of waggle would stop me from cake-baking.

Young Capwn5180d ago

Not that im a fan of motion controls, but i think these guys are just afraid of change.

ozstar5180d ago

The only intelligent response.

Motion controls are extremely new. Your telling me there isn't a VAST difference between Wii Sports, Wii Sports Resort and Red Steel 2?

Bull***

Bigpappy5180d ago

You would see that Valve is not against motion control. They are just asking developers to use it wisely. I agree with that assertion

Smacktard5179d ago

Actually it's pretty obvious what they meant even without reading the article. You just have some morons interpreting it the way THEY want to interpret it. Hmm.

Pandamobile5179d ago

Valve? Afraid of change? Lol.

Valve pretty much invented digital distribution, which is the biggest change this industry has seen in the last decade.

evrfighter5179d ago

each iteration of Half Life has introduced next-gen to gamers.

Being at the forefront of changing gaming. Please do explain what you mean

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Sileo5180d ago

He says:

"We have these technologies now that let us interact in different, really exciting ways. It's developers' jobs to do something with it. Impress me."

He's only saying that it's annoying seeing the game old games being repeated and repeated, because at the minute there isn't that much variety in the games with the motion controllers.

How many golf games are there for the Wii at the moment? He's complaining about the mini-game game collections, not the technology.

Theoneneo815180d ago

This is why I refuse to buy a Valve game as long as they continue to be this fat and freaking Lazy twards making new stuff or games for other platforms. they dont deserve a penny from me.

table5180d ago

Valve arn't lazy. They put 100% into their projects and im sure if they were to use motion control they'd look to innovate with it as opposed to the standard of just doing what so far works. The majority of their games try to do something new and innovative, just because they are currently not interested in the ps3 it doesn't mean that they are lazy. I suppose Insomniac are lazy for only developing on ps3 right?

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Looking Back At 2008, An Unbelievably Incredible Year Of Video Game Releases

Huzaifa from eXputer: "2008 was home to the likes of Call of Duty: World at War, Dead Space, GTA 4, Far Cry 2, Left 4 Dead, and many other hits, which is outright remarkable."

ChasterMies3d ago

Some of these low paid video game “news” writers weren’t born before 2007.

just_looken3d ago

Here here

Those that were around before 2000's i am sure are like me that think we entered a world of non readers or those that follow without question.

I can not wait to see fallout 3 a goty game even though it was about water with non content until you add the dlc/updates then you got the performance/crashing

CrimsonWing694d ago

I don’t think anything can compare to 2023

lucasnooker4d ago

1998 - the best year in gaming! Metal gear solid, crash bandicoot 3, medievil, half life, ocarina of time, thief, tenchu, resident evil 2, Spyro, tomb raider 3, oddworld abes exodus, banjo kazooie.

It was a different breed of a gaming era. You’ll never understand what it was like back then. The aura of gaming, it was different!

KyRo4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I second this. Gaming was a lot more varied and fun than it is today. I'm 35 so getting on compared to some here but I got to see all the changes from NES up to now but I've never felt so disappointed in any generation than I have this current gen. I was expecting more from this generation rather than prettier versions of games that came before it. Game mechanics have become so refined that alot of games feel the same and has done for a while now.

Maybe it's time to have a break for a while. I love gaming but I don't feel I get much fun in the traditional sense out of it anymore.

CrimsonWing694d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil 2, Abe’s Exodus, and Ocarina of Time are the only things from that list that I liked.

Here’s the 2023 game releases that I personally liked… and big releases that I didn’t care for:

- Dead Space Remake
- Wo Long Dynatsy
- Resident Evil 4 Remake
- Diablo 4
- Fire Emblem Engage
- Hogwarts Legcay
- Street Fighter 6
- Hi-Fi Rush
- Like a Dragon: Ishin
- Octopath Traveler 2
- Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters
- Final Fanatsy XVI (actually ended up not liking this, but it was still a big deal release)
- Baldur’s Gate 3
- Armored Core VI: Fires of Rubicon
- Lies of P
- Mortal Kombat 1
- Marvel’s Spider-Man 2
- Starfield (Ended up hating this one, but big release)
- Super Mario Bros. Wonder
- Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (I’m an old-school Zelda fan, but didn’t really enjoy this game)
- Alan Wake 2

I mean, honestly I’ve never seen a year of major IP releases like that, ever.

Profchaos3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Isn't it just a generational thing realistically.

I've been gaming since way back and I some of my favourite games go as far back as the late 80s for me each generation has a year or two of game changing releases one after another before an inevitable dry spell.

I kind of agree gaming had a different feel games hit different because we didn't have the internet nothing got spoiled and you really had to put in the effort to beat a puzzle which could set entire groups of people looking for a solution. But most importantly games were experimental and not as cookie cutter as today even basics like controls were not universal today r2 is shoot l2 is ads garunteed you can't deviate from that in a shooter back then it could of been square, R1 or R1 and circle nothing was standard.

But as time moves on a new generation picks up their controller they are going to be interested in different things that PS1 demo disc with the t Rex blew our primitive 16 bit brains back on launch but to kids today it's laughable.
The new gen of kids coming into to hobby seem to value different things to us there seems to be a huge focus on online play, streamers, gaming personalities, and social experiences, convience of digital downloads. To me I value none of that but that's ok like my parents not liking the band's I would listen to its just the natural cycle.

Gameseeker_Frampt3d ago

Just about every year in the 7th generation was great and something we most likely won't experience again.

2009 for example had Assassin's Creed 2, Batman: Arkham Asylum, Dragon Age: Origins, Uncharted 2, Halo 3: ODST, Killzone 2, Borderlands, Bayonetta, and Demon's Souls to name a few.

just_looken3d ago

It still amazes me we got over 7 rockstar games ps2/ps3 but 3 for the ps3/ps4/ps5

Dragon age 1-3 and mass effect 1-3 in 7ish years what a generation.

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Most Offensive Video Games That Would Never Cut It Today

Times are changing, and these games would have never been made in today's climate.

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thorstein41d ago (Edited 41d ago )

Every single time someone uses this phrase whether it's music, movies, books, comics, video games, etc it's always the same claim.

The ubiquitous "they" won't allow it to be made. And every decade these claims are made the claimant completely ignores all the "offensive" material that is published when the claim is made.

In ten years, you can write a new article about how you can't make games like Helldivers 2, Resident Evil VIII, Mortal Kombat I, Dragon's Dogma 2, Alan Wake 2 etc etc etc any more.

MrBaskerville40d ago

Yeah, people wouldn't be constantly outraged if there weren't games that people found enraging. The whole SBI discourse shit wouldn't be a thing if all games were inoffensive. A game like Starfield can make a guy froth at his mouth, so there will always be room for a list like this.

0hMyGandhi40d ago

Normally, I'd be inclined to agree with you, but there are massive caveats.
TV shows like Venture Bros, Ren and Stimpy, and Aqua Team wouldn't/couldn't be made today. Hell, Ren and Stimpy was a *children's* show, same thing with Rocko's Modern Life.

It's not for some arbitrary reason, either. It's branding and IP alignment. Companies are far more risk-averse than they were when I was kid in the 90's. Of course, you have companies coming out of the woodwork to hell spur on similar content, but remember: Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon and some incredibly provocative material.

And for movies? it's pretty obvious. American Pie/Wedding Crashers/Eurotrip among many other "raunch coms" have fallen out of style, and are absolutely outside what the modern day film industry is willing to stand by.
Ace Ventura 1 and 2, Dumb and Dumber, Freddy Got Fingered, Rat Race, Harold and Kumar, and Van Wilder follow suit.

Remember: I am not explicitly talking about films put onto streamers. I am talking wide-releases in actual theaters. Same thing goes for games: Carmageddon, Duke Nukem, Manhunt, Six Days In Fallujah (with their original concept), Hatred, and so on and so forth. Of course, I'd be inclined to mention most tactical shooters like Rainbow Six and Joint Ops as well, due to cultural sensitivity regarding *who* you are shooting and why.

And not all of it is bad (obviously). Tastes change, and perspectives change to fit the demographic.
I should add that I'm a lefty, living in L.A. Working in film.

thorstein40d ago

The Boys, Invincible, Jojo Rabbit, Deadpool, Gen V, Last of Us, Banshee... There are plenty of media being made today that people will claim "can't be made today".

Profchaos40d ago

Yeah but if you consider manhunt which was basically a snuff film could you seriously make that game with high than PS2 era graphics.

thorstein39d ago

The Outlast Trials just came out.

But the storyline of Manhunt was that you were executed. But then lived. And if you didn't do as you were told, you'd die. And the people you killed were not innocents.

It was all filmed by a psychopath.

As we speak GTA VI is being finished up for a release. You get to play a Bonnie and Clyde type of protagonist who run up against the law.

Bodycam looks so real.

People are making those games. Articles like this will always exist no matter how incorrect they are, no matter how many times they blame "them" for whatever it is "they" do to prevent "those" games from being made.

Number1TailzFan40d ago

The UK is the biggest junk country pandering to that nonsense as well, with laws against free speech and expression to match. It got so bad even Rowan Atkinson made a video on free speech about it.

Now the UK raises the age rating on harmless films like Mary Poppins, it's just a load of pansy weak ass nonsense.

MrDead40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

The right wing Tories have been in power in the UK for the 14 years you know the ones that are "anti-woke", blame them for your perceptions.

Killer2020UK40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Are these snowflakes in the room with us now?

This is more faux outrage designed to get hits. The consequences are unfortunately creating hysteria amongst those willing to buy into it and blame "them" or "the left" or "liberals" meanwhile the left are kicking off about genocide, actual real world abhorrent acts. Nobody is campaigning to censor this shit.

Huey_My_D_Long40d ago

Not too mention the fact that some of these game are controversial for you know, underage porn and encouraging rape.

So either the guy just came in to comment snowflakes without reading anything, or he is calling people snowflakes for having a problem with said titles. Crazy how much brain rot someone can have.

banger8841d ago

Dead Island: "The early PC version of the zombie game swapped the playable character Purna’s Gender Wars skill with a prototype name, which shouldn’t be mentioned directly. The skill name made fun of both Purna as a character and feminists."

"Feminist Whore" lmao

gold_drake41d ago

ill add one more to the list.
drakengard 1.

its ridiculous tho, especially since they'd still be able to find their place in alot of places in the world. except america of course ha. and maybe Australia.

ppl are so sensitive these days. ha. but it is what it is.

Barlos41d ago (Edited 40d ago )

They're not offensive.

And we need another Fat Princess. Fantastic little game!

Some people just have no sense of humour if this sort of thing offends them. They need to lighten up and stop taking themselves so seriously.

Deeeeznuuuts40d ago

Would love a new fat princess game 🤟

CantThinkOfAUsername40d ago

Games literally about sexual assault, mass genocide, bombing civilians, and school shooting. None of which is satirical.

isarai40d ago

Actually it's about fat princesses

Huey_My_D_Long40d ago (Edited 40d ago )

Its crazy that people are fixated on Fat princess when clearly the list is going over controversies, and not all of them are equal. Like way worse examples but pretend the entire list is like that.

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15 Xbox Games That Should Make the Multiplatform Jump

While there’s likely already a list behind closed doors, one can still speculate and offer logical suggestions for titles new and old that should find their way into the PlayStation and Switch libraries.

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GamerRN43d ago

Single A games and live service games. Those make sense

S2Killinit43d ago

None of it makes sense. But its happening.

Ps5conehead43d ago

That’s up to Microsoft they want return on there investment. From buying up those publishers. That’s what there in business for. And they made a mistake putting day one exclusive on game pass. So now Microsoft wants to profit any way they can.its called buisness . Just like Sony putting games on pc a year are two after ps5 launch.
So if they can make money off PlayStation and Nintendo. They will do that. And I bet soon real soon they will release some aaa exclusives .and I bet one day it will be same day release

TheEroica43d ago

Sony gamers begging for Xbox games.... Who would've thunk it?

BISHOP-BRASIL43d ago

Yeah, because random site off the internet represents all Sony gamers, they have the letter of attorney and all...

S2Killinit43d ago

Lol what a spin. You dizzy?

AsunaYuukiTheFlash43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

We don’t care about shovelwares. Get that junk out of PS5

StormSnooper42d ago

More like MS begging to put their games on PlayStation.

TheEroica41d ago

Keep begging Sony gamers!

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Friendlygamer43d ago

Some of these seem to be exclusive for lack of enthusiasm of the publisher rather than because of deals. A lot of cool indies skip ps for some reason like katana zero, el paso, elsewhere and gunbrela

S2Killinit43d ago

Even more indies skip xbox. We know that right?

Friendlygamer43d ago

Quality over quantity, Microsoft got some really interesting and curated niche games on their machines, maybe in part because of gamepass

S2Killinit43d ago

Quality and MS are not things you bring up in same sentence.

shinoff218343d ago (Edited 43d ago )

Alot of indies skip xbox to. It goes round and round. Personally I think your off base on that but no need to have the argument.

Friendlygamer43d ago

Between katana zero, valheim, Battletech, el passo... I don't feel off base. maybe ps got a million of light novel games that will never release on Xbox but like I've said, I'm talking about niche games highlights, the 10%.

  Heck, it's probably thanks to Microsoft that the s.t.a.l.k.e.r games came to console ps included, meanwhile Sony backwards compatibility continues to be extremely anemic.

And I'm sure most ps5 users are happy to ignore these games and just play wathever new 3rd person action game is trending but it's cool that Microsoft gives some love to smaller audiences and software preservation

shinoff218343d ago

Again your off base just to be snide. All it's showing though is your ignorance.

One light novels wtf is that even. Ps has plenty of pretty damn good indies.

Speaking of indies and ms being responsible. You know F.I.S.T. of course you do alot of you guys just support gamepass. Well here's a history of Sony being responsible for helping indies. Look up the China project from Sony.

Lastly lol your ignorance showing again. Sony has plenty of games. Personally third person is better then first anyway but that's besides the point. Sony gets so many games that xbox doesn't get because yall don't support the games. Jrpgs being a great example. I personally am not into every Sony first party game. Alot of us aren't. On the other side you don't get to eat often so you gobble up everything. Me personally God of War not my cup, etc. For me I'm into jrpgs and ms just can't touch Sony on those. Again because the Xbox base doesn't support it. Devs dont wanna waste their time or money. Hit me up when falcom develops a game over there.

Speaking of third person narrative games. Aren't yall drooling over hellblade 2. The first one was Sony exclusive at one point. Another not my cup game. Showing we don't have to fall in line and agree we love everything Sony puts out. The facts are they sell though unlike elsewhere(not nintendo)

StormSnooper42d ago

You are same person as GamerRN, yes?

Abnor_Mal43d ago

They really think PlayStation fans would want to play Redfall? Pfft.

Personally nothing on that list would be any game I’d want to play.

TwoPicklesGood43d ago

I’d absolutely love Hellblade 2, Palworld, and Quantum Break on ps5 as I’m sure tons of others would too. There’s nothing wrong with wanting games from another console and its sad that people try to act like they aren’t interested in them.

shinoff218343d ago

While indont agree with the games. I agree with the point. Your not wrong.

DarXyde43d ago

Sunset Overdrive makes very good sense. Palworld might.

Don't know about the others. Hellblade II does make sense given the original launched on PS4 first. Quantum Break was a massive letdown for me. I absolutely hated the whole TV show thing and I don't think anyone should have to relive that on modern hardware.

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