What Gears Of War Could Learn from Uncharted 2

Gameguru.in "The game literally "looks" to put Epic effort to shame by giving audiences a much more accurate definition of what was perceived to be a part of this generation almost five long years ago."

[Bungie]

if you want a game nobody want to buy be like Uncharted 2 ?

[28121986]

of Bungie awesome work but rahter an immature focus on every game...Look the deal is that even though numbers you count make all the difference at the end of the day, if there are games only like Halo 3 we would not even see what the "NEXT GENERATION" would look like...Thankfully there are devs in the lines of Crytek, Naughty Dog and GG that are looking to make this generation belong where it is...

I think you've forgotten the fact that only 5 or 10 games went past a million with the original Xbox... If I start to dole out numbers for the original XBOX games you'll stand truly ashamed...

[mrv321]

If you want a broken one... well you know. :P

[OmarJA-N4G]

Too bad nobody bought teh definitive bestest & awesomest sim like racer Flopza 2.5... :)

U2 is GOTY 09 get over it. :)

[Unbiased1]

Uncharted 2 could learn how not to flop sales wise. Not even in top 20 for November LMFAO!
Gears 1 and Gears 2 combined sold 11 million. SOmething Uncharted 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and even 6 won't reach ....combined!
What could Gears 3 learn from Uncharted 2? How not to flop.

[mrv321]

Or Gears 3 could learn how to make a good single player, story, music, graphics, fewer flaws.... AND AN ACTUALLY WORKING ONLINE...

But hey what do I know I played the Uncharted Drakes fortune and it was 10x better than Gears 2.

[Kevin Butler of Sony]

If you want a game with brutal gun fights, impossible escape scenes and loads of betrayal mixed with Over 20 Game of the year nominations. you've come to the right place. Welcome to Uncharted 2. Enjoy your stay

[28121986]

Gears can expand on their universe a hell of lot...

[Darkeyes]

What could Gears learn from UC2.....

Better Story
Better Graphics
Better Single player
Flawless Multiplayer which works.
Better Dialog.

Pretty much everything should be overhauled to make it come close to UC2.

[PirateThom]

Microsoft will use Blu-ray, there's no reason for them not to and many reasons why not using it would be stupid. Mostly, because Flash is still very expensive

[28121986]

perhaps necessary to cramp in all the finer nuances...but what use is it if we still have to move through loading screens...Even the all power UC2 adn Killzone 2 HAVE LOADING SCREENS at the end of the day...

True next gen poweress lies in removing this fundamental obstacle...something which Carmack has been struggling since the days of Doom...Hopefully ID tech 5 will provide the solution to "doors"...

[-Seven-]

Microsoft is looking at several royalty-free solutions. The current leading candidate is HD-DVD-ROM-51 format, but QuadLayer DVD is also a contender. Microsoft has royalty-free access to both tech thanks to its patent cross license with Toshiba.

See, Blu-Ray royalty is $60 per player and Microsoft will not pay this royalty, nor will they put Java in any of its product. Blu-Ray was never even a possibility at Microsoft.

[mrv321]

ACTUALLY after the first loading screen there's no others in Uncharted 2 UNLESS the last check point is a while back.

[lokiroo420]

@28121986

Have you played Among Thieves? Or Drakes Fortune for that matter? lmao! Thank you, come again.

[PirateThom]

Microsoft don't have a choice here, if they're not going to support the standard, they're just going further into propritary territory than they are now. What Microsoft wants and what really happens are very different.

And "lol" at Uncharted having loading screens.

[execution17]

i don't think they'll use SD cards or any cards for next gen, why because they could easily get pirated, and it'll be a pain in the ass if you dropped it and it fell down lets say a vent, your screwed game is lost

[-Seven-]

I agree with you. Microsoft have put them self in a deep hole by not adapting Blu Ray from the start. They have no choice but to move forward and Blu Ray is the best and latest tech to do that.

Which is why Natal scares me, I see Micro going after the Wii market and when it has a good share of it, they will stick to that crowd and release the 360.1 next gen which is what the Nintendo did with the Wii.

I want Micro to remain in the hardcore market for 2 reasons
1. Sony is being more competitive and the gamers win
2. I don't want Sony to follow lead and head to the casual crowd because Micro is making mad money.

[REALgamer]

So.....from an article talking about ways the gameplay of Gears could be expanded, you're saying increased storage capacity = better game?

Seriously?

That must mean Super Mario Bros is one of the worst games ever.

This is an article about GAMEPLAY. Gameplay is not graphics. Gameplay is not inluenced by storage capacity. The only thing that benefits from increased capacity is needing to use less compression or fitting more data, and in reality only textures and sound take up the vast majority of a game's data size.

I haven't read any interviews with Cliffy B saying "oh, of only Gears 2 was on a Blu-Ray disc the there would have been less bugs in the multiplayer".

Also, how is the Unreal Engine holding back Gears? Does it magically make movement mechanics less fluid, or perhaps it infects the script writer's brain and stop them writing complex, nuanced stories?

From my memory Gears of War 2 is still considered an extremely good looking game. Not as pretty as Uncharted 2, but still well above 90% of other games released.

I fail to see how a different engine could influence the gameplay or scripting, and I fail to see how DVD limits gameplay.

[Rageanitus]

flash drives are more expensive than optical media.... we are going to see blu-ray for the next 10 years just like what is happening with DVD... reason why its cheaper is because it is backed up by the other part of hte entertainment industry... movies...

[raztad]

@21888

What loading screens? UC2 DOESNT have them and neither KZ2.

Ontopic:

UC2 destroys Gears in everything. The combat is much more dynamic and variated, gears is just clunky, slow and boring.

Cover-raise shoot-cover. Thats Gears for you. I have that game on my laptop, I was impressed the first time I played it but not anymore. UC2 raised the TPS bar and Gears feels outdated nowadays.

[darkmurder]

They can learn how to get fanboys to whinge when their game doesnt get a 10.

[raztad]

@above

It's hard to whine when the game doesnt deserves it, but come on did you just posted a comment to say THAT?

[Saaking]

Gears can most certainly learn a lot from UC2 (such as better graphics, better story, more fluid animations, better voice acting, more options, better online etc); however, I doubt Gears 3 will change much. It'll be like Gears 1 to Gears 2 all over again unless they wait till next gen.

[darkmurder]

Yep, im taking a stance on fanboys, for the record I loved Uncharted 2 10/10 from me.

[kneon]

Killzone 2 certainly has loading screens. I love this game but this is the one annoying feature of the game. More often than not when moving from one scene to the next the graphics just come to a halt with a little loading icon in the corner. It's always between action so it's not a big deal, just a minor annoyance.

[Bigpappy]

May be if uncharted can garner the amount of fans Gears has the knocking of Gears would have some kind of legitimit theme. As it is right now, uncharted is not dethroning Gears because of the weak sales. These game are not quite as similar as you guys are trying to make them sound so you can add browny points to your exclusive. UC2 is a game that is a hybrid of indian jones in the action and pace of the game, and gears of war peekaboo fighting style. Gears is borrows from Halo with the alien invasion (Independence day)scenario. Then it adds some "God Of War" type of gory up close and personal slicing with huge end bosses. So the targeted audience is quite different and so far more people are voting for gears with game sales. Where uncharted is wining with the critics is the technical stuff like the graphic's, animation, presentation, and the more coherent story telling. Those are the things Gears can learn from uncharted. Gears was always about the gameplay (fighting style) and the co-op. Uncharted has not change that, and Gears will continue to appeal more to a larger group of fans.

[mal_tez92]

Articles like this just prove how underrated Drake's Fortune was, The gameplay is nearly identical to Uncharted 2 except for the stealth.

I think it got less critical acclaim because everyone was caught up in "PS3 has no games" and "ZOMG ithas no multiplayer!"

But Uncharted 1 is a nearly perfect game that everyone should get

[Commander TK]

Lol, I don't what's wrong with u guys. Haven't played KZ2 or U2? When u c the dagger spinning, that's loading isn't it? When connection to the online, that's loading isn't it? KZ2 has a lot more loading screens, heck even in-game.

[faisal1101]

agree

[THE MAX SPEED 21]

there's always room for improvement.

[MajestieBeast]

gears 2 had awesome dialogue MARIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[execution17]

lol couldn't stop laughing when dom said that, probably one of the most cheesiest thing i've heard in a game

[MajestieBeast]

Hehe ye i was laughing so hard so cheesy and not in the good way it even beats otacon crying over sniperwolf i thought that was complete melo drama but then Dom came and took its place like watching a really bad movie or mexican soap.

[gtamike123]

Learn that Lag is not cool for online play and unreal engine sucks, thats a start.

[wxer]

@2.1

your name = EPIC FAIL

lol

[gtamike123]

loading screens what loading screens? lol

[timmyrulz]

i think enough people have bought gears of one and two to suggest that nothing much is wrong with the franchise already

[dirthurts]

The single player on the original was near perfect. The multiplayer does need a lot of work.
But I love the games, and I don't feel they need much change. I play them for what they are, not what they're not.

[Whoooop]

IMO, Gears could be more varied...

I was playing Gears some days ago and I got bored so quickly. I was surprised as I was very excited to play the game.

After a good while of playing and trying I understood that the game was just as simple as it began... Literally run and shoot only.

On top of that, the visuals aren't really that good and cut-scenes are a pain to watch.. They look so horrible and I love cut-scenes. The story cannot be more crappy and there's not much in it to keep playing besides the initial hype really.

Gears just needs more variety, something the sequel apparently has, but not as wide as Uncharted. Uncharted not only has the cool gunplay and action, it also has a very interesting story which is enough to play the game, GREAT believable characters, awesome dialogue, platforming, puzzles and amazing visuals from start to finish.

Uncharted is simply a much better game overall...

[timmyrulz]

"Uncharted is simply a much better game overall..."

In your opinion, and i would agree that uncharted 2 is better game overall, what is one mans junk is another mans treasure

[MajestieBeast]

Why did that guy get loading screens and i didnt must have been Sony screwing over europe again you americans even get loading screens and i dont. Way to drop the ball scee i demand loading screens. j/k

[divideby0]

Gears...needs better graphics (lose the fog and haze...oh you cant with the present engine) and redo the vacuum sticky old cover system..nothing worse than getting sucked into cover vs naturally getting cover...

[Rageanitus]

I just got uncharted 2.... and man it is much better the first one.... and the first one was quite decent ps3 game.

Ppl who have not played uncharted should play that game first before the 2nd one.... not the othe way around. UC2 imo puts uc to shame but still has the some fun to it.

[mrv321]

Uncharted DF is still a great game none the less in my opinion one of the best on the PS3. It's just looks so good. I'm putting it in now just because I know it will still look outstanding.

[gabe_360]

gears not need more nothing.

uncharted is always praised for graphics but its got the same design philosophy with the exception of linear platforming.

GEARS OF WARS 2 looked about as good as a next-gen game could look....and that game is currently- and will probably remain- the best engine and textures of this gen...

you have to admit this ps3owners that gears 2 is up there with MGS4 and Uncharted, that's just my opinion.

[Belasco]

but Uncharted 2 is without a doubt a better looking game than Gears 2. I am a self proclaimed 360 fanboy, but I am not blind, so quit pretending that UC2 is in any way an inferior game, because in saying so you discredit yourself as a gamer.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

From start to finish it was PURE QUALITY i.e everything i expect from a TRUE Next-Gen Game;)

Story Mode = PERFECT

Online Mode = PERFECT

[Lou Ferrigno]

they could learn that if they wany to make a quality game for ONCE,they need to leave microshafts buutcheeks and make the next gears exclusive to ps3 :)

its that simple. they cant improve graphics do to the 360 limitation,

cant make a beter story unless naughtydog or guerilla games helps them out

,cant make smooth online play do to 360's imferior online and hardware limitations,and help from insomniac and zipper interactive.

so all in all like i said,if they wanna make at least ONE quality AAA game,ps3 exclusivity is the only way to go.

cliff needs to jump out and play b3yond ::))

[Tr10wn]

Yeah everything is "IMFERIOR" on the 360 thats why the 360 version of MW2 raping the PS3 version 3:1 and thats why XBL is called the best online service right now and thats why the 360 have like 15 AAA titles over the PS3, but yea i am an ignorant and thats why my PS3 is getting dust i should take a pic really, the last time i turn my PS3 was to enter the BF:BC2 beta code and play it for 30 mins after that boom shut down till 2010 so i can finally play GoW3 and then sell it.

[Tr10wn]

What Uncharted 2 had learned from Gears of War.

[free3sixty]

What could gears learn from uncharted2?? Not to flop!

What could uncharted learn from gears?? To look more realistic and no plastic!

[Moebius69]

I think you'll find that it's GEARS that looks more plastic,and UNCHARTED looks more realistic

[akaFullMetal]

yea, geow could use some things from uc2, especially the cinematic scenes and the dialog.

[devilhunterx]

1) Females.

[PStu'rd]

Games are meant to be released on real games console otherwise they flop?

[Moebius69]

So what happened to FORZA3 then

[OmarJA-N4G]

Look at these butt-hurt bots. :)

[dragonelite]

Why not keep every game its own feel.
I mean vertical placement call it platforming has use in uncharted 2. Why in god do soldiers want to climb up in a gun fight.

In uncharted 2 characters only wear a weapon and some light armor.
In gears the players are overbuffed soldier what seems they wear quit heavy armor what makes it already harder to climb easy.

[The_Zeitgeist]

Uncharted is the best MP I have ever played. Its the first game that I am severely addicted to.

[FantasyStar]

While the article's list is subject to discussion. One thing that's not for discussion is the shooting mechanics. Gears overall just has better shooting mechanics for everything.

With Uncharted 2, you had to press L1 to pop out of cover and shoot the guy to your left. In any Gears game, you can press L1 and you'll still be in cover but accurately shooting the guy to your left. Even if the enemy is behind and in front of you, Uncharted 2 forces you to pop out of cover to take an accurate shot, which is tactically unsound. While Gears allows you to stay in cover to prevent being hit from the front and dealing with the guys in the back.

Also, in Uncharted 2, I'd like to "walk" while I blind-fire. In Gears, I can do this, but Uncharted 2 forces me to run which can make my unstable-aiming, even more unstable.

Some of the things in that article's list, I can agree with at times. But I find it's mostly up to each person's interpretation of what makes a good game. And I find that both games played out just fine the way it was designed to be made.

What isn't up for debate is Gears' shooting mechanics far out-doing Uncharted's mechanics by a long shot. Anyone who's played both extensively can tell you that.

[monkey nuts]

Thats your opinion though, and guess what, I've played both games extensively and prefer Uncharted's shooting mechanics. Everything about Uncharted 2 seems head and shoulders above Gears 2 imo. Hell the first game had it beat on everything except multiplayer (imo).

[FantasyStar]

Really? Follow me here.

You're on a co-op map, Nepal to be specific. You just pass by the hallway into the open streets and you're being assaulted in front of you and behind you. You try to shoot at the enemies flanking you from the back. But in order to take an accurate shot you have to press L1. But pressing L1 forces your character out of cover, thus being exposed to both the front and the back. That doesn't bother you, at all?

Because in Gears, you can safely aim accurately behind you without exposing your back to the front. That's been my main point in my post and you disagree with that? I'm really trying to understand because I do not see how such mechanics in Uncharted is tolerable when the game artificially puts a handicap on you by forcing you out of cover to take accurate shots at your bottom flank.

With hip-fire, being forced to run while hip-firing makes hip-firing more about fighting the game's mechanics than giving full-freedom to the player. I don't mind if people run and gun like that, but I'd like the option to walk while hip-firing because it allows suppressive fire tactically instead of running back and forth and left and right to keep a small area suppressed because the game doesn't allow me to hip-fire while walking.

[ApocalypseShadow]

"what 360 exclusive developers could learn from ps3 exclusive developers."

/fixed

[BlaqGold804]

I dont have a xbox anymore. I traded it in for a slim, but I flat out loved gears2 single player. online sucks major organs thou. Now uncharted2 Did both great

[hamoor]

i don't know about you guys but i think gears is one of the best games in these gen
yes its have some flaws but i don't see why some people bashing it just because its exclusive
i mean they complain about the movement is fell heavy and slow
but so do kz2
they complain about the grey and black graphics
so do kz2
i know this article have nothing to do do with kz2 but am just mention some point to know that there are people are very blind when it comes to exclusive
i don't see a lot of xfans complaining about gears glitch because its ecxlusive
and i don't see any ps fan complain about kz2 awkward gameplay
why people have to mess a lot of great games and even if they play it they complain about anything just because its not exclusive?
the console war thing is stupid

EDIT:sorry for some typing mistakes

[SpartanZero]

Never put Uncharted 2 and Gears of War in the same sentance its stupid

[Oner]

Your right. Uncharted and Naughty Dog are the better & more respectful developers that actually INNOVATE in their field.

[Justin_bristoe]

what is this?? why is gears being compared to the best game this gen??let them keep playing those AAA sales while we keep having good sales and playing great games by devs that are happy with the ps3 sales they get.lol . again when they speak sales the only mention halo gears and left for dead.what about the rest of that massive 360 library??????? hahahahahahahaha.FAIL

[The Iron Sheik]

Notice how all the bots only have sales to counter U2. They can't pretend its a bad game like they did with MGS4 & Killzone 2 since the praise for U2 has been universal. Thanks for making it clear that you bots are NOT GAMERS! You care more about how well a game sells rather than if the game is good. You are all pathetic.

[givemelbpbetakeys]

BE A GOOD GAME.

[Mister_Dawg]

This is what Gears could learn from Uncharted2..........

......... F**K ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!