Opinion: Is the 360 holding the PS3 back?

Coming off the back of Uncharted 2's successful launch, Gameswire ponders whether Naughty Dog's epic is proof that the 360 is preventing third party developers from getting the most out of the PS3.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

the game is a Multiplatform so Its being made to be played on Both PS3 and xbox 360.

So how is that holding back the PS3?

If the game was only meant to be Played on PS3 and take full advantage of The Blu-ray player it would have been called

an

EXCLUSIVE.

but Indeed X360 DVD9 use is showing it's age when you get Beta games all the time.

Tales of vesperia lacking Characters , Story bits , Maps that are found on the PS3 version

Star Ocean lacking Characters , story bits , maps that are going to be found in the PS3 version.

it'S been known for a fact that all of those stuff were supposed to be in the Original versions but the DVD9 couldnt contain them all so they had to threw them out.

PS3 blu ray over xbox360 DVD9 .

EDIT : when you wrote your comment I was Updating my comment saying that theres indeed sum true stuff thats why.

[Nitrowolf2]

i know what your saying, but if you think about it, like the article said wen you look at PS3 exclusive and compare to Multiplat you can see there a difference. And like you said the game ment to play on both system. But people are woundering why don't third party do what they do with the Wii when they have a game for all 3 console. I' not trying to start anything with the Wii, but if you notice that wen they make games for all 3 the Wii is obviouse the lesser in graphic quality. Seeing what the PS3 could do, why can't third party produce that same quality wth PS3 Multiplat. I guess its because they don't want to make it uneven, they want to keep a balance between them. That like what Rockstar said about the dvd9 holding them back, and how Blu-ray would be a much better format for there next title.

EDITED: your update comment confuses me, you go on saying at first that how is it being held back if it was ment for multiplat, and then you update your comment saying that additional contents are on use to be exclusive 360 games, that just shows how its holding the ps3 back, developers are forced to have the game equal at launch and come out with DLC later.Due to the lack of dvd9, but it could be also that they want more money.

[Natsu X FairyTail]

Yep I agree.

[Lifendz]

and I don't care. Sony is covering all the genres with their exclusives. All they're missing is a L4D type game and I'm not sure many of us even care since it's available on PC.

And besides the Bayonetta's of the world, multi-plat games are for the most part even or maybe even better on the PS3.

[twoface]

imo the things holding back ps3 is a combination of the development cost (to optimize their apps for ps3) and the perceived install base.

Unless ps3's install base overtakes 360 (HD gaming market) by a substantial number, or sony funds their development costs, there isn't really any feasible reason for the developers to optimize the game for ps3.

[UnSelf]

YES!!!! GOD YES IT IS!!

You know what i wish? I wish that every single dev who dont put out the most of wat these consoles have to offer.(specifically the ps3) all get interviewed on tv with the interviewer asking: "So Uncharted 2....thats some game huh, why is it games such as this and lets sayyyyyy Killzone 2 only seem to come out for the ps3 by 1st party studios?"

Peter Monyleux: "Well in Fable 3, you're gonna be able to scuba dive"

[Jamegohanssj5]

ROFL Bubbles, bubbles.

TGSI

[Blaze929]

As long as the competition continues to use DVD-9 or anything other than blu-ray; then the Playstation will always be held back. Publishers wont just up and leave Nintendo and Microsoft.

[king dong3]

especially for non-dev know nothing fanboys on n4g.

infamous, ps3 exclusive open-world game. made from the ground-up for the ps3. now, compare that game to the first saints row, and gta4!

both games are bigger, look better, have more things going on and have just much more content! shouldn't the ps3 exclusive destroy these two multi-plats in every way if the 360 was holding back the industry??

the only thing i see against the 360 is the DVD drive! but i think what turn10 have done will start becomming the norm. i.e: a second disc to load onto the HDD. and i have a feeling that next GTA will follow the same route. either swap discs, or load one onto the HDD, and use the other one to play with.

not the best situation, but going with DVD9 wasn't the best choice either.

[Raz]

The major problem is storage - Microsoft should just bite the bullet and get licensing from Sony for Blu-Ray.

Cloud-based gaming isn't going to overtake discs for a while yet; so they're missing out on higher quality/double storage in a stubborn refusal to admit defeat in the format war. And the games get hamstrung as a result.

[DRUDOG]

I can understand why a dev would make a multiplat game look the same on 360 & PS3. I don't like it, but I can at least understand it.

Consider the fallout if they didn't make them the same: Possibly poor sales for one console do to an "inferior" version. The fans who would be up in arms because their game is not a graphically strong as the other or has less content. It would only end up make the devs look bad and piss off half their consumers. Not to mention all the questions that would arise about how long this practice of gimping one version was going on. Obviously that's just the tip of the iceberg of what could happen.

I'm really excited for a game like Agent. It was clear from the Rockstar's comments that DVD9 was holding them back on GTA. Now we'll get a chance to see what they can do exclusively on PS3 since GTAIV obviously showed what they could do with the 360.

[Sarcasm]

"Well in Fable 3, you're gonna be able to scuba dive"

Knowing his track record, we'll be lucky to even swim in a bath tub.

[Nitrowolf2]

i don't think MS will take BD as there next format, im sure by then (Thats if they keep going till the end of the 10 years) there will be allot of new alternative formats to use.

[velcry]

Seriously, when Square Enix says there is no dumbing down of the PS3 version, and that both PS3/Xbox versions are maxed-out products of their visions, I smell BS.

How can it be? How can you, if given 50Gb of space, think "Oh ok I'm going to make the best game ever, but I'll keep it to 3x9Gb= 27Gb of space?"

How could I, as a developer, concentrate on realizing the game I want, when I have to make sure that it runs equally well on 2 systems with differing specs, presence of harddisk, different disc capacities with different reading speeds?

The console war is hurting us as gamers. Sure, competition is good, but I really hope that like with BluRay/HD-DVD, the next generation of consoles will just see one unified console.

I hate playing games like Uncharted 2 and then realizing all the other multi-platform stuff I'm playing is dumbed down. Sheesh.

[Winter47th]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact. The 360 IS inferior to the PS3, 9GB DVDs instead of 50GB Blu-Rays. Sub-HD 'exclusives', hell, don't remember when was the last time I saw an FPS on 2 DVDs, eh ODST?

And everytime a PS3 exclusive goes multiplat, you just know it won't be the same quality, FFXIII, Tekken to name a few. delayed & dumped down.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

See I don't think it's a platform issue as much as it is a resource issue. What resources you say? Well, it is human resources.

Given enough time, people and talented developers, anyone can squeeze out marvelous visuals in a game. You could just freaken code the games in Assembly or something. That ought to give you a speed advantage.

In my opinion this is evident by the majority of the multiplatform games coming out for both PS3 and Xbox 360 usually ends up with the 360 version outperforming the PS3. Now, before anyone says oh, but there are games on the PS3 that does better than the 360. Well, that proves the point! Both games probably got equal amount of resources and one is outperforming the other even when many games already have the framework already built.

By the way storage space does NOT equal processing power.

[Sarcasm]

Here's something to think about though, Uncharted 2 no doubt proves that multiplatform titles aren't what they could be.

But... It also proves that a lot of the PS3 exclusives that takes more than 3 years to develope and still don't have the same quality as Uncharted 2 considering it only took Naughty Dog 18 months.

Granted, there are a lot of factors involved in making a high profile title and also ND learned a lot from Uncharted 1. But still, Uncharted 2 obviously shows there's a lot of power to be had from the PS3 if you know how to dig.

[Darkeyes]

Cell might be a difference, but IMO, the biggest drawback is DVD9 and the lack of HDD in all models. We have big devs like Rockstar going on record how DVD9 hindered the process of making a bigger games. A standard HDD would have solved the problem, but even this was foolishly taken away by M$ to lower the price... Lets face it it's stupid for an open world game to be shipped in 2-3 disc on a console with a HDD less variant... It's stupid to swap a disc just so you can access another city... People curse Rock* for not making a SA like huge open world for GTA4, but the reality still remains that it was the DVD limitations which held them back...

And lastly, it's the lack of 3rd party effort.... Why create a game that looks superior on the PS3 when you can get M$ to pay to make the games equal... Sorry but even M$ has a hand in this like it or not... Why can't this be like the PS2 gen when Xbox games looked superior due to better hardware? A greater install base can solve this problem, but it ain't gonna happen soon... So expect First party Sony games to always look head and shoulders above 3 rd party or most 360 games...

[MikeGdaGod]

it certainly did for GTA4

[Anon1974]

Right when the 360 launched and the specs for the PS3 started to leak out, industry analysts speculated that the 360's decesion to use older tech in the machine to keep costs in check would hurt the more advanced PS3, and they were right. The main reason was lack of a standard harddrive more than anything else, something even the original Xbox had.

And I don't understand it. Last gen, developers didn't have any issues using the strengths of the Xbox to their advantage when developing multiplatform games. When a multiplat game came out, usually it was better on the Xbox - taking advantage of the increased power over the PS2. Now, developers seem like they have to strive to make both versions identical.

For the love of god, why? Just make the best game you can on the hardware you're developing on. We know the PS3 is capable, we've seen game after game push the limits. What's with the sudden obsession of having your multiplatform games look the same this gen? Just make the best damned game you can for each platform.

[NecrumSlavery]

Final Fantasy XIII the UK/US PS3 version:

1. Demo removed from Advent Children bluray
2. Graphics downgraded to utilize a 360 compadible engine(FFversusXIII won't use this lesser engine, not will FFXIII in JP)
3. Removed the Japanese voice overs
3. Sidequests are locked/unlocked to the poor pacing of 360 disc swapping
4. Release date pushed back due to 360 port
5. Video Scenes and Audio to be compressed as the 360 does, from it's lack of storage space

If this isn't the 360 holding the PS3 back. Then I don't know what is.

[pixelsword]

Even if you believe that the 360 is years behind the PS3, it's the decision of the developers to cripple a game in favor of the 360; so it's the developers, not the 360. All games could start on the PS3, and it's already been established that all PS3 optimized games (using the cell and RSX combined) can be ported minus the physics and triangle math... as stated by the Ghostbusters Devs that DIDN'T USE PS3 PHYSICS or optimized triangle math in the PS3 version.

[sikbeta]

First of all, I don't care because PS3 exclusives are amazing, but yes is holding back the PS3 and I think the problem goes to the Devs, they want to make a game equal for both Consoles and is not working because they do it with Pc/xbox in mind and then we get a crappy/gimped port, the fanboys then say something like: our version is better, but they don't really understand that the game could be not only equal but better, Devs don't try/know 100% parallel programing to make the SPEs work smooth, something that can't be done in the xbox/pc because the Cell has a unique architecture, simplifying Devs prefer to port games saving MONEY, but they need to invest in the PS3 (programming) if they want OUR money

[DERKADER]

It's always someone's Fault other than Sony, right Fanboys? Why would a developer spend the extra time, money, and resources for a console with a smaller install base. Sure it would help sell games/consoles for the PS3 but there is no intensive for the developer.

[mastiffchild]

Darkride-the PS2 last gen(like the Wii this gen)was so out of sight in sales terms that the quality of multi plats wasn't ever an issue that could hurt either platform(and is why we see crappy quality Wii ports to this day). This time around with the playforms in close competitionthird party devs don't know which side their bread's buttered on PLUS the cell's architecture and Sony dev tools aren't as familiar as those for the 360(which is why it took some time to get multis to the third party devs comfort zone of near parity-these days it's only the lazy devs that leave PS3 gamers with trash ports-or those that leave it to another company to do for them)-but parity's likely to remain a goal as lng as the competition is so tight beyween them AND people on both platforms are still buying plenty of them.

The interesting thing, to me at least, is the rising number of comments I see from PS3 only gamers saying that they get ALL their gaming needs covered by Sony's exclusives this generation. Are we coming to a point where a sizeable portion of PS3 gamers might turn their backs on multis? Unlikely but it's possible that a few more Bayonettas or Orange Boxes and they might-esp when the quality difference is marked out so vividly by games like U2.

It wouldn't surprise me if a few more 360 gamers started feling this way as well in a while. It's long been my opinion that whichever console is really the most powerful they BOTH lose out on multis because of the fact they aren't optinmised for either platform due to the different strengths and wealnesses inherent to them-regarless of the devs desire to reach parity it would really take two completely dedicated teams building fromscratch to accomplish this and that would cost near double the price of the development of an exclusive-why would they do this when the games still sell? Then bring in the desire for parity and it's even easier to see that this isn't going away any time soon.

Do we imagine that SC:C or AW might cause 360 only gamers to feel the disdain that some PS3 owners do for the multis? Again, it's possible but, imo, unlikely and even if they do will they ever have the money to make two real optimised games every time they want to release a game on both platforms?

It is, though, a complete fallacy that SE are claiming over FF13 as they won't be capable(as noone has been yet)of doing equally well on each platform while making both versions the very best they could be as if they were exclusives. JUST NOT TRUE. FF13 would be better as a 360 exclusive than a multiplat and the same goes for if it had stayed PS3 exclusive and there's no real point that I can see in them persisting with telling us otherwise-esp when in a lot of people's view they have a lot to make up for with their fans(esp those who bought P3s on the strength of their word and their trailers pre E3 08).

But, on the exclusive front I don't think the 360 has held anyone back at all and neither has the PS3. I think U2 is a great, great game but also feel it's exactly the kind of showing that put SC:C back a while to compete with it. We're all benefiting from the competition between the two consoles and their sets of exclusibe devs-there's no doubt. However, for now, expecting even the biggest devs(Capcom for example in Japan and Acti or EA as pub/devs in the west)to compete on multi platforms is a forlorn dream as the need for parity married to the two systems faults and differeng strengths makes it impossible to see happening at a reasonable/credible cost.

The upshot, imo, is that(storage issues aside as more is clearly always best)we aren't seeing one held back by the other anywhere BUT multi platform development being held back by the need to make games the same on wildly differing platforms and the cost it would be to put two teams working on independent(basically as an exclusive)versions of the same game for both platforms. Don't mention the Nier debacle as SE are hardly trying to push any machines with that game(s). So, for me, the question isn't really relevant at the minute as no multi plat devs are really trying to make the best out of either system. Yes, they might be closer to 360 exclusives than Sony ones but Sony games have , so far, generally had a longer dev time so even that's misleading or hard to see properly.

Maybe, though, if Alan Wake(or whatever) makes a similar splash all round to the one ND and U2 just made then we'll see multis forced to compete better across the board and have sme idea then if one could hold back the other. By then, mind, we'll prolly be near the next PS/Xbx coming out in any case! Maybe even Wii HD who knows but, right now the quality of the exclusives shows that the competiton IS pushing both platforms fowards at great pace(U1 to U2 and ME1 to ME2?)to the benefit of all gamers and makes me particularly happy to be owning all of them!

[zane547]

I guess you could argue that third party games are held back slightly for DVD9's but certainly not the actual machine, 360 is more than capable of handling modern games.

But bite the bullet and go for Blu-ray, no. When Xbox 360 was launched the Xbox Division was making losses not profits, now the Xbox Division is in the black and making money. Maybe the better option would be to embrace another format or make one of their own a la Nintendo.

Case example: HD-VMD, it only holds 35gb of data compared to Blu-rays 50, but it streams at the same disk speed, and uses red laser diodes, so theoretically would only require a system update for the disks to be readable. A copy of which could be sent to those people who dont have Xbox live. Interesting theory. Of course it could prove impractical but its an idea.

Regardless, the Xbox division holds enough financial wait now its time for Microsoft to respond to its drawbacks, sadly I dont think we'll see that until the next console.

Ah well, games are fun on either machine so its all theory and opinion at this point. In some cases its the developers fault with some third party titles, like Ghostbusters, the ps3 version they made was half-assed, awful developing.

[bnaked]

example: Look at FF13 and FF14!

FF14 is open world and looks much better than FF13. WHY???????

FF13 is multiplatform and they must downgrade the PS3 version..

FF14 is a PS3 exclusive, and square enix can show off their strong engine!

[zane547]

FF14 is an MMORPG, whereas FF13 is an Action RPG, they're two different experiences.

Could argue by your logic World of Warcraft has a larger world than FF13, lol.

FF14 isn't PS3 exclusive either, its hitting PS3 and they may release an Xbox 360 version of the game, they said they were looking at the possiblity.

[Shin_Akakage]

Is the 360 holding the PS3 back? I don't think so. Did the PS2 hold back the original xbox? Again I don't think so. The difference between ps3 and 360 is not as significant as the one between ps2 and xbox. It was a tactical(perhaps erroneous)decision on Msoft's part not to include BD/HDDVD and a HDD as standard drive on the 360. Disc-swapping a multi-disc game is just an inconvenience. The HDD hasn't sped up loading times on PS3 when playing from the disc and the option to save games on 360 HDD has put them on an even playing field. Both consoles are better than the other in some performance aspects so what is really the problem? I believe its a combination of developmental tools/environment time and money.

Naughty Dog is a sony first party developer. The last Playstation 2 game they released was Jak X combat racing back in 2005. Meaning they have been hard at work on the original uncharted for 2yrs before its release in 2007. After Uncharted's release they began work in Uncharted 2 which game out two years later in 2009. We all know they didn't start from scratch for UC2 but used what they learned making UC1 to make UC2 even better. How many 3rd parties have the ability to focus the entire company on 1 game for 2yrs without developmental costs being picked up by someone with the deep pockets of sony or msoft? I'd say zero. EA is the biggest third party out there and they don't/won't do it.

Developers make their games to the best of their ability(sometimes) with the tools provided and the time alotted. The longer a game stays in development the more dev costs go up. That being said devs are gonna try to push the games out as soon as they possibly can to recoup their costs. Using games like Tales of Vesperia, Star Ocean or Ninja Gaiden 2 to prove that the 360 is holding back the PS3 is baseless. Tales of Vesperia was released on 360 in August of 2008 and on PS3 in September 2009, more than a year later. Star Ocean in February 2009 on 360, February 2010 on PS3. Ninja Gaiden 2 June 2008 on 360, September 2009 on PS3 more than a year later. The extra content had nothing to do with BD or HDD in the PS3 but it is merely extra content in a re-release of a year old titles.

Also I remember reading that alot of multiplatform games are developed for PS3 then "ported" to 360 during development for simultaneous release on both consoles. Developers have gone on record sayings its easier to develop for ps3 and then port to 360 than it is to develop for 360 and the port to PS3. Devil May Cry 4 and Final Fantasy XIII are both examples of this as both games were PS3 exclusives for a time then later announced for 360 as well. In an interview with Sony's Jack Trentton from December of 2007 He stated that developers are focusing on PS3 first then porting them to other formats.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Since then there has been multiple multiplatform releases and the majority of them have still looked/ran better on 360. So why are third party games the same or better on 360? It boils down to the developmental tools/environment, time and money.

[morganfel]

In ways both consoles are holding eachother back depending on the genre but in most cases I think it is the PS3 holding back PC and 360. Developers are limited by PS3 hardware and struggle with the systems memory and graphics card. This is why PS3 versions of games are not on par with the 360 versions no matter if the game leads on PS3 or 360.

Just because the talented developers found some tricks to make uncharted appear very detailed doesn't mean other developers can't or won't make better looking games later on. Uncharted is hand drawn so the visuals are painted like the way Braid is for XBL but with far greater quality. I see some pretty impressive games coming as 360 exclusives and multi platform that will compete with uncharted. Some of these unfinished game like Alan Wake are no slouches.

This is rubbish. This article is hog wash. Gameswire=HHG

[GUNS N SWORDS]

The answer is no, both consoles CPU's are clocked at 3.2 Ghz and their GPU's are clocked at 500 Mhz......it isn't the same as making multiplats with the Wii, and from what Ive seen i don't think wii hinders any console.

I payed an old little game store a visit, they had lots and lots of footage of crysis running on both consoles, what needs to be done is for developers to start using better mainframes for multiplat development.....and not have this whole thing where you have one console lead and you port it to the other console.

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

@GUNS N SWORDS, you're missing on a couple of details like:

#1 the PS3 CPU doesn't use core but 8 SPE's while the X360 has 3 cores that

#2 the Cell has direct access to the GPU to help with the physics, sound, and certain animations(example: all water effects in Uncharted were rendered by one SPE while on the Xbox360 that same technique wouldn't work because its CPU doesn't has Spe's so, all the work would be on the CPU)

#3 the X360 has 512 shared DDR3 ram while the PS3 has 256 of DDR3 ram and 256 rambus ram that is is as fast as 3.2GHZ(that's like super fast!)

These are 3 important points that make the PS3 vastly superior to the X360 and 2 what makes the Cell so much powerful than a core i7 CPU with similar speed, which are few. What you're doing on your comment is just comparing their RAW power and that doesn't cut-it.

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@morganfel, what the heck are you talking about? Uncharted is fully rendered in a 3D engine, this is not like Odin's Sphere or KOFXII that are hand drawn.

This statement: "Uncharted is hand drawn so the visuals are painted like the way Braid is for XBL but with far greater quality.", it's completely wrong.

Come on, explain yourself.

[WenisWagon]

I guess all of the dumb droids are forgetting that multiplatform games look vastly superior on the Xbox 360. If anything, the POS3 is holding back the Xbox 360.

Look at ghostbusters on ps3 and 360.. 360 wins hands down. Then look at GTA IV.. 640p and 0xAA on PS3, 720p and 2xAA on Xbox 360. Get that CrapStation 3 out of the way of the Xbox 360 and it's fantastic games please.

[velcry]

"By the way storage space does NOT equal processing power."

Yes, I know that. But think of these scenarios:

ONE --> Tom Clancy and Dan Brown both have 500 pages in which to write a story. Both have the talent, so both fill up the 500 pages with a fully written story, with fleshed-out storylines, proper character development etc.

Both books get 9/10.

TWO --> Tom has the same 500 pages, but now Dan only has 90 pages. Dan tries a short story, and because he's talented, yea sure it's a good story. But he sure as heck doesn't have the space in which to do whatever he wants to write.

Both books get 9/10, on their own merits, but please don't tell me that the 90 page book has the same potential to push the envelope!!

CONCLUSION --> Storage space ISN'T everything, but for one, it gives the developer the space with which to create assets, leave certain things uncompressed, fill out more cut scenes, etc!!

[TK421]

LOL I thought this was another HHG artile. My Bad

[pppppeach]

The XBOX360 is more powerfull than the ps3 ;)

If you do not believe me get the hardware next to each other and compare away. :)

So it's more ps3 is holding the xbox360 back. But you guys have listen very well to the marketing speech from sony back in 2005 haha.

[SaberEdge]

What a lot of nonsense in this article and in this thread. The reality is that, just as many developers have said, both consoles have their strengths and weaknesses, and they both end up with nearly equal performance in the real world.

Both consoles have some fantastic looking games. If Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 could be said to be exceptionally fantastic looking, it has more to do with the talent of those developers and the focus they put on the graphical aspects of their games. Microsoft doesn't have nearly the same pool of first party developer talent that Sony does, so there are not nearly the same number of developers working on the 360 really trying to push it and show what it is capable of. (BTW, Microsoft is making a big mistake by not investing in more first party studios).

But in all honesty the gulf between what I consider to be the two best looking games on consoles (Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2) and some of the better multiplatform games isn't as vast as some people are alluding to. Games like Assassin's Creed and Dead Space, for example, are amazing looking games and are right up there with the two aforementioned games. Sure, I would still give the nod to Uncharted 2 and Killzone 2 for overall graphical fidelity, but only by a relatively small margin. All of those games are strong in the graphics department and all of them wow me. When I am playing games like Dead Space or Assassin's Creed I am not thinking "you know, I sure wish this game looked better ...a little more like Uncharted 2", so I don't get the point of this article in the first place.

Both consoles being roughly equal in graphical performance capabilities (as so many developers have gone out of their way to tell us) the reason many multiplatform games run a little better on the 360 is simply down to the fact that the 360 is easier to work with, has better tools, and is often the lead platform. The reason a few exlusive PS3 games look so great is because Sony was smart enough to secure some of the top developer talent in the industry and is determined to show off the power of their console by encouraging their developers to really push the graphical aspects of their games. This is the reality.

[N4G king]

@^

[Yarite]

Some of the stuff you said is BS. Other parts are just said without researching the game.

1. Demo NOT removed because of the 360. Demo wasn't in the US/EU version because English menu's and recording wasn't even done back in December 2008 (when they started to print the movie)Why release a demo in regions when the game wont be releasing until 2010?

2. What complete BS. The 360 gameplay they showed at E3 looked exactly the same graphics wise as the PS3 demo. The developers said before that the PS3 version in the US is the translated Japanese version and the 360 version is a port of the Japanese PS3 version. Fail. Oh and Versus is also using the same Engine as FFXIII. It might be tweaked more towards the PS3 like how the FFXIV engine is tweaked for PC to Console development.

3. Lost Oddssey on the 360 has 5 language tracks. Yes 5. I'm sure FFXIII over 4 discs could fit 2 language tracks. The developers just dont wanna include the dual audio at release because then they can't make an international version at a later stage and make more money.

4. Multi-disc FFVII-IX were fine. Maybe they will even make you swap previous discs like SO4. Maybe they will just compress the hell out of the 4th disc to get it all on there. Just wait and see instead of spouting BS.

5. The english VA is recorded but they still haven't inputted it in to the PS3 version and added all the other sound and text translations.

6. They said the 360 version will be compressed but they will avoid try to avoid quality loss. They never said anything about compression and the PS3 version.

Finally watch the latest trailer.

http://www.gamersyde.com/st...

This just shat all over the character model downgrade **** coming from all the fanboy sites.

[OGharryjoysticks]

I agree. Rockstar is better than Sucker Punch and there are some real great 3rd party developers who if they had the chance to open things up probably would beat a lot of Sony first/2nd party stuff. But you can't blame Sony for being a holdback this gen when certain games are content wise and graphically better on the PS3. 360 has had plenty of exclusive games that could have shown what it can do. It just turns out the best PS3 exclusives represent the best looking and most robust games this gen has to offer. So yeah. 360 is holding back the PS3 and I would like to see the best of what every 3rd party developer could do on PS3.

[mal_tez92]

When developing a multiplatform title, the developers are most likeley going to create the same game for both systems. It would be rare for them to produce better graphics and more features on the PS3 version just because it's a more capable system (blu-ray and more power). The 360 is stopping multiplatform titles from being true next-gen games.

[pain777pas]

Gaming should be PC and PS3 right now and everyone would be happy. You can release as many disks as you want for PS3 ported games and Gaming cards would be evermore important. Really those are the only two essential machines you need this generation from what I've experienced so far. I wish Microsoft got games for windows right and stop gauging consumers with this PC in the living room thing. My PC is in the living room A HP media PC with TV tuner and bluray. I play multiplats on the PC and exclusives on the PS3 now that my 360 is gone to my Exgf.

[DevastationEve]

Oh yeah blame it on the 360 since consoles don't fight back :\

It's also easier to than to face the real issues, oh you know like actual work and earning the respect of the audience in spite of the challenge of their wanting a game on 2 consoles.

The correct answer is no, neither console is holding the other back. Literally there's nothing either console could do to actually "hold" the progress of the other.

Memory:

-PlayStation 3
256MB XDR + 256MB GDDR3

-Xbox 360
512MB GDDR3 + 10MB eDRAM

Graphics:

-PlayStation 3
RSX @ 550mhz (24 pixel + 8 vertex shaders)

-Xbox 360
Xenos @ 500mhz (3 16-pipeline shader arrays in a 48-way dual parallel unified shader core), tessellation unit
Xenos 10MB eDRAM "intelligent memory" @ 500mhz (192 pixel processors for antialiasing, extremely high framebuffer bandwith, MEMEXPORT)

Processor:

-PlayStation 3
CellBE @ 3.2Ghz (7 SPE threads (one used by OS) + 2 PPE threads)

-Xbox 360
Xenon @ 3.2Ghz (3 dual-threaded symmetrical PPC 970 cores)

They stack up very well. Bluray is space.

[badfish918]

A big advantage is that every PS3 has a HDD. This way they can put things that take up a lot of space, but may not need to run real time calculations somewhere other than the disc. CG cutscenes are a good example of this.

[AAACE5]

I have actually been thinking about this for a while and figured out something.

(First, I own both systems so there is no fanboy crap here)

When I think back, if one system had more power than the other one, the developers didn't mind doing the extra work to show they could get more out of the more powerful system. For example, GTA 3 and Vice city came out on the Ps2 and when they made the port over to the Xbox 1, they added some extra graphical polish. The cars and environments were more detailed and the explosions looked better. There are a bunch of situations like this as well, like Ninja Gaiden games.

So what i've come up with is that the system isn't holding the other system back, but it's the developer who is holding the game back because they don't want to do the extra work!

[Xgamerzus]

fanboy article and Flame bait material as usual!!
Im not gonna respond to this (as I have in the past)and get banned by the phony nerdboy hypocrite Mods on this N4G.(yes you who post articles like this then delete peoples post for actually contributing to this websites substance/color)
BUt I will say this :
The only real thing holding back the PS3 is the economy!!! Point blank.
If you can get more marketing and more investors into Game production we can see more Uncharted 2 level games!!
2 things ive notice about AAA games on versus 360:

#1 to take full advantage of PS3 tech ,You need lots more money and resources and tools and to dial in the cell & fill up the BLuray!!!(I mean the actually 3d models in the the stages the detail the massive amounts of detail the sheer man hours to add the special effects the creation process. All cost $$$ to make the Cell RSX push out Polys that can eclipse the 360 in Horsepower..

#2 The bluray and Hard drive combo on the PS3 is a big advantage on the PS3 ,
From streaming to Amazing in game cut scenes And HD Video and Audio textures and goodies.This is one area where you can't compromise with a console if it is next Gen.

We know about the limited Edram on the 360 ( for AA)and the dvd rom limitations and yes of course we know that the 360 is a PC gaming rig in disguise.
So what I see holding back the PS3 PC devlopers that are poorly trained in ASMP and lack of investors who want to take games to the next level.

[N4g_null]

You guys are judging these games wrong there is only one thing that matter in uncharted and even killzone and it is not power or disk size it is art direction. I did not like the game play from the first one yet part two looks better. Another thing is the new gpu war on the pc side should benefit the ps3 since pc are using very beefed versions of the cell in their next set of gpu and CPU hybrid.

Another thing is stop supporting dumbed down version and you will get a striaght answer from devs. Some things are dumbed down but many are not. If you will notice most of you can only name a few games that are better power wise on the ps3. Blue Ray is not power it means unoptimized code/ art which means slower running dumbed down visuals. The cell is not vastly superior to the xbox, it was a nice try but many other things hold it back.

On top of this few 3rd parties have access to what ND has. Also art direction and game play have taken a nose dive in pursuit of display power or chest beating which fanboy love more than gaming now it seems.

[DevastationEve]

Sorry my click registered as a disagree, I meant for it to be an agree.

So anyway I'm glad to see that someone out there gets it. PS3 is not superior to Xbox 360 save in only one category and that's storage. All PS3s came with even the smallest HDD option (that old 20GB), and they all read BD ROM. So games can be made on a single disc, and developers can count on there being hard disk space to expand onto.

But storage space alone does not make a better game, things like memory and processing power are what determine how much developers can put on screen. 50GB of space on a bluray doesn't make up for having limited memory or processing power.

Proof?

Add a bluray drive to a pentium 166mhz system with 32MB of memory from 1995 and see how well it runs games...

[xaviertooth]

this should not be a question.

since MGS4, KZ2, LBP and now Uncharted, its already a FACT that 360 is preventing games and innovation to move.

[Chubear]

Oh come on, we have ask? Isn't it glaringly obvious now? O.o

[xcox]

it's hard to come back to reality when you've been living in complete delusion for so long.

in the real world, the PS3 poops all over the 360.
it's not even a fight anymore, sorry xb!tches, better luck next time :P

[Guitarded]

The only thing holding back the PS3 is Sony's stupid choice of arcitechture. All you have to do is look at last generation to see that third parties will use the extra power of a console to make the game better, IF THEY CAN. Nearly every third party game looked and ran better on the Xbox then it did on PS2. Yes, PS3 exclusive games look SLIGHTLY better then 360's. So what. Third party games make up the bulk of both systems libraries. So we have Sony creating a somewhat powerful console that third parties cannot afford to take advantage of. Unlike Naughty Dog who are paid, and I paraphrase from an article previously on N4Fanboys "to use the the full power of the system". You fantards should thank whatever god you pray to that Sony bought a bunch of studios or all your games would suck. Until Who Farted 2:Smell of Cheese all your games did suck. Some worse then others. They all felt like tech demos, because they are!

To conclude: Is the PS3 more powerful then the 360? Maybe a little. Will third parties ever use that little extra? Maybe a little. Is the 360 holding back the PS3? NO! Again just look back to last generation to clearly see who is holding back third party games on the PS3.

Typical fantard tactics. Ignore all the facts in my post and concentrate on the opinion. Yes there are tears in my eyes, from laughing so hard at your failed attemts to discredit my post.

Now, is there anyone who would like to discuss the FACT that Xbox multi-platform games looked and played better then PS2 multi-platform games and PS3 multi-platform games don't look or play better then 360 multi-platform games? Anyone? No. Just going to hit disagree and minus bubble. Why? Because you can't handle the truth!

[topdawg122]

Guitarde,
PS3 exclusives don't look slightly better, they look miles better. The proof is on the platter dude, your denial is outrageous.

[na2ru1]

No need to cry.

[AliTheBrit19]

Do you even know the definition of the word "Fact" ? for that matter, did you go to school?

[ChrisW]

Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about Sony wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of B.S. Sony loves to fight, traditionally. All real men love the sting and clash of battle.

You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your consoles and your pride. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, every one of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Sony loves a winner. Sony will not tolerate a loser. Sony despises cowards. Sony plays to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That's why Sony has never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to Sony.

Remember that the enemy is just as frightened as you are, and probably more so. They are not supermen. All through your gaming careers, you men have complained about what you call "chicken crap drilling." That, like everything else in this Open Zone, has a definite purpose. That purpose is alertness. Alertness must be bred into every gamer. I don't give a damn for a man who's not always on his toes.

You men are veterans or you wouldn't be here. You are ready for what's to come. A man must be alert at all times if he expects to stay alive. If you're not alert, sometime, an Xbot son-of-an-A-hole is going to sneak up behind you and beat you to death with a sock full of crap! There are several hundred thousand neatly marked graves somewhere in America, all because they went to sleep on the job. But they are Microsoft graves, because we caught them RROD before they did us.

Sony is a team. It lives, sleeps, eats, and fights as a team. This individual heroic stuff is pure horse crap. The bilious bastards who write that kind of stuff for the Saturday Evening Post don't know any more about real fighting under fire than they know about crapping! We have the finest food, the finest equipment, the best spirit, and the best men in the world. Why, by God, I actually pity those poor sons-of-a… we're going up against. By God, I do. My men don't surrender, and I don't want to hear of any gamer under my command being captured unless he has been hit. Even if you are hit, you can still fight back. That's not just B.S. either. The kind of man that I want in my command is just like the lieutenant in Tokyo, who, with a controller against his chest, tore off his helmet, swept the controller aside with one hand, and busted the hell out of an Xbot with his helmet. Then he jumped up and went out and killed another Xbot before they knew what the hell was coming off. And, all of that time, this man had a bullet through a lung. There was a real man!

All of the real heroes are not storybook combat fighters, either. Every single man in this Open Zone plays a vital role. Don't ever let up. Don't ever think that your job is unimportant. Every man has a job to do and he must do it. Every man is a vital link in the great chain. What if every truck driver suddenly decided that he didn't like the whine of those shells overhead, turned yellow, and jumped headlong into a ditch? The cowardly bastard could say, 'Hell, they won't miss me, just one man in a couple million.' But, what if every man thought that way? Where in the hell would we be now? What would our country, our loved ones, our homes, even the world, be like? No, Goddamn it, Sony doesn't think like that. Every man does his job. Every man serves the whole. Every department, every unit, is important in the vast scheme of this war. The ordnance men are needed to supply the guns and machinery of war to keep us rolling. GameStop is needed to bring up games and accessories because where we are going there isn't a hell of a lot to steal.

When a man is lying in a shell hole, if he just stays there all day, an Xbot will get to him eventually. The hell with that idea. The hell with taking it. My men don't dig foxholes. I don't want them to. Foxholes only slow up an offensive. Keep moving. And don't give the enemy time to dig one either. We'll win this war, but we'll win it only by fighting and by showing the Xbots that we've got more guts than they have; or ever will have. We're not going to just shoot the sons-of-b…s, we're going to rip out their living Goddamned guts and use them to grease the treads of our tanks. We're going to murder those lousy RROD suckers by the bushel-basket.

War is a bloody, killing business. You've got to spill their blood, or they will spill yours. Rip them up the belly. Shoot them in the guts. When shells are hitting all around you and you wipe the dirt off your face and realize that instead of dirt it's the blood and guts of what once was your best friend beside you, you'll know what to do! I don't want to get any messages saying, 'I am holding my position.' We are not holding a Goddamned thing. Let the Xbots do that. We are advancing constantly and we are not interested in holding onto anything, except the enemy's balls. We are going to twist his nads and kick the living crap out of him all of the time. Our basic plan of operation is to advance and to keep on advancing regardless of whether we have to go over, under, or through the enemy. We are going to go through him like crap through a goose!

From time to time there will be some complaints that we are pushing our people too hard. I don't give a good Goddamn about such complaints. I believe in the old and sound rule that an ounce of sweat will save a gallon of blood. The harder WE push, the more Xbots we will kill. The more Xbots we kill, the fewer of our men will be killed. Pushing means fewer casualties. I want you all to remember that.

There is one great thing that you men will all be able to say after this war is over and you are home once again. You may be thankful that twenty years from now when you are sitting by the fireplace with your grandson on your knee and he asks you what you did in the great NextGen Console War, you WON'T have to cough, shift him to the other knee and say, 'Well, your Granddaddy shoveled crap in Louisiana.' No, Sir, you can look him straight in the eye and say, 'Son, your Granddaddy rode with the Great Third Playstation and a Son-of-a-Goddamned-B… named Kaz Hirai!'

[Saaking]

Yes, there's no doubt about. Look at the extremely high quality of PS3 exclusives then look at the mediocre quality of multiplats and 360 exclusives. It's a FACT, 360 is holding back PS3.

[Nitrowolf2]

its true, now just wait for a bots to come in and say other wise. Or use sales.
@below
I KNOW

[ultimolu]

Lol, prepare for the random disagrees. :D

[PLAYstar]

Well I have to agree. If not for xbox360 inferior system, I suppose games such as GTA4 could have been a much quality game, Final Fantasy 13 wouldn't be touched to a lower quality. Anybody still remember RAGE? You must be expecting why the game hasn't release, and everything is because of some overuse of disc issue due to the lack of capacity DVD9! DAMN!

[cyborg6971]

Isn't it obvious that it is. If third parties used the ice team and cared to learn the archtecture then no body would bother buying a 360 multiplat.

[Nitrowolf2]

lol where is MGR?
i need a good laugh

[Xlll]

MGR won't show up, even he knows this is true.

[xaviertooth]

a council MUST be created to remove what is holding back games industry. first to be blacklisted should be microsoft and 360 and never allow them to enter the gaming industry again.

[DTClown]

Be a smart consumer and this type of crap won't happen. You don't need a games panel to do what you yourself have the power to do. I have done my part, I have NEVER owned a MicroShaft game console...and never will. Thank Windows for that decision! POC software. While I'm at it....whoever thought that a company who produces crap software riddled with bugs and exploits for decades would/could or even want to make a good hardware console? Not me!

Join the blacklist today...no more MS crap. period.

[LukaX23]

omg more of this bullsh!t...

[Erotic Sheep]

And it gets worse, its Sunday meaning another amazing HipHopGamer show >.>

[ZombieAutopsy]

Id say the only things really holding them back is the DVD9 and the fact that 90% of multiplats are made on the 360 then ported over to the Ps3 instead of being built on both.

[Godmars290]

Its been said a few times now that building on the PS3 then porting tot he 360 is easier than the other way round. Though considering more storage the pS3 provides, MS restrictions on multiple discs, it may not actually make sense to devs on a cost basis. Even if 360 to PS3 porting hurts the PS3 version.

[N4g_null]

DVD 9 isn't holding back pc gaming so why would it hold back sarcasim/ powerful console like the ps3. No one is going to waste money to look bad. What if ps3 games came out 2 years later?

The format has never been an excuse it has always been the actualty real world power of the console. If ND is so good then why they not annoucing their services to other 3 rd parties? People do this all the time. Also I'm sure many have approached them by now. Why is their engine not made avaiable to every one else. I mean if they want to be top dog of a sinking ship then have at it.

Arrogance kills every thing it seems.

[Godmars290]

Don't you just have to look at SO4. Its going from point D to point B world hopping with multi disc switching just to get at item you couldn't get before, to honest free-roaming for the PS3 version because all of the information is on one disc.

Going by that example you can't say that a dev could have made a general multiplatform game on an equal schedule.

[ultimolu]

DVD9 is what's holding the 360 back. If Microsoft would have just used a better format, things wouldn't have to be chopped off to accommodate both consoles.

[Godmars290]

HD-DVD still would have resulted in multi-disc games. And they refused to go with Blu-ray because Sony refused to use their menu codec.

[Nitrowolf2]

well HD DVD can do 15GB and 30GB, idk but i think MS would have been allot better with using HD-DVD then dvd9(idk if they are the same)
I always thought that they were going to use HD-DVD cause of the add-on player they had.

[ultimolu]

Yea, exactly. I think they screwed themselves over. But what do I know anyway?

[UnSelf]

idk if it mostly has to do wit disc storage space per se. i think most of why the 360 seems to have hit its limit is becuz of things like no standard HDD and inferior architecture. I would rather MS make a 10 disc based game as long as its not open world (of course) and its production values are like that of KZ2's. Then i would know that the 360 is a true next gen system and not a true PR gen system

[Scarfy]

"I always thought that they were going to use HD-DVD cause of the add-on player they had."

They never had any intention of doing so. They only did that to create mistrust and confusion among customers, so as to push forward their own online download / rental service.

Microsoft has a long track record of stating that CDs and DVDs are outdated.

[HDgamer]

HD-DVD had the space of 25gb, just like a normal bluray disc. So basically if MS had use this instead of a dvd9 then we would see better games.

[tordavis]

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD weren't finalized when the 360 went into production. When will people get this through their thick skulls.

[Sarcasm]

"Blu-Ray and HD-DVD weren't finalized when the 360 went into production. When will people get this through their thick skulls."

Then MS should have waited instead of rushing it out. Who knows, it could have had a HD-DVD drive and possibly none of this RROD nonsense.

Then again, they would have been completely demolished by the PS3 and Wii.

[LostDjinn]

HD-DVD was/is 15 gig a layer. Blu-ray is 25 gig a layer.
They've never been the same thing.

[Godmars290]

Actually there was a 17GB per layer disc. A last ditch attempt by the HD-DVD people to make a three layered, 51GB disc just so they could say they had one where BR's limit was 50GB at two layers.

[gameangel]

I think this is true to a point.

The fact is, 360 came first, so for ages now it's been the primarily development console for multiformat games, with the PS3 version more often than not being a slightly inferior port.

I can understand this, as the devs are used to working with the 360, but it's not great for PS3, which has proven it has more power, but thanks to the 360 is not reaching its full potential on the majority of multiformat releases.

Perhaps it's time they started building multiformat games to PS3 spec and then make the necessary downgrades to the 360 as they go!

[Sarcasm]

"then make the necessary downgrades to the 360 as they go! "

We might never see that happen just as long as there is companies trying to maximize a profit like Activision and EA.

Usually it's "We'll try to make both versions as good as possible. But we'll lead on the 360 and rush out the PS3 port."

[Bodyboarder_VGamer]

I would be happy if devs made the multiplat at least equal for both consoles. But no, the PS3's more powerful but it always gets shifted by devs and then they make bad ports like the mess that it is Bayonetta... Which its gameplay is good. It is like MS is paying them(devs) to put more care on their version or something...

[saimcheeda]

.

[PimpHandHappy]

that MS needed to make as much as they could with this 2nd installment... they used out dated parts with a outdated format... the thing looks like a dam tonka toy and sounds like a jet plane when you start it up... disk tray is so 90's

anyway
yes games might have been held back but not 2da extent that fanboys claim. Sure PS3 is starting to show its power and some games do seem to be beta tested on the 360 with less content. Still its not like multiplat games have looked bad on these two systems even if ppl still want to point out resolution and a pixel here and there.

we all know PS3 can handle any 360 exclusive and we also know MOST 360 exclusives look better on PC

[gamestop rabbit]

This is common knowledge, of course the 360 is screwing up the games. Buying a multi plat now adays makes me say. Holy sh!t. son of a B!t<h. Ahhhhhhh f^ck.

[Karlnag3]

The 360 has been holding back the INDUSTRY for quite some time. The Wii... well.. yeah, I won't go there.

[Nitrowolf2]

Im not going to say the Wii is holding the industry back, because you don't see 360/ps3 games looking like the wii with multiplat games. Nintendo got there own stuff going on, even though they don't produce huge powerful games like other system do, they aren't holding anything back from ps3 or 360.

[Karlnag3]

The reasons I won't go there are
1. they basically created their own industry with the Wii. Sadly it's an industry full of crap with only a few good games.
2. I don't actually consider it a next gen system. Sorry.
3. I actually dislike it quite a lot because everything I've played on the console has been too easy or absolutely sh!t shovelware.

[mayberry]

What the article didn't point out is(even though ND's engine already existed) ND only took 18 months to make UC2 from the beginning! So, how can a 3rd party dev with a bigger budget,more personell, previous experience developing for both consoles, still make a product FOR the ps3(The ps3 version IS for the ps3!) that is far below experiences like sony first party devs make in a short time? IDK? Is that part of the questioning the article is trying to answer?

[PimpHandHappy]

sucks

if it wasn't for their online strategy ppl would never have stuck with it.... when ppl start to notice PS3 offers a solid online structure they will stop paying for XBL and never look back... Halo and Gears can not become a yearly thing

[devilhunterx]

bu bu bu but the MULTIPLATFORMS!! TEH SALEZ!!

[Poopface the 2nd]

"buuu buuu but the 360 is holding back the ps3 sooooooo much that the ps3 versions of multiplats end up looking and/or preforming worse 95% of the time."

I dont see the logic in this fanboy article. If there was no 360 there would be more/better ps3 games, if there was no ps3 there would be more/better 360 games.

A developer who makes a exclusive game will have less to do for their game then if they are making it on multiple systems. At this point multiplats still usually look/preform better on 360. Last game I compared was lost planet 2 and the 360 version was better.

Id like to see the logic in saying the 360 is the one holding back the ps3 for multis when 95% of multiformat games are better on 360. Last gen ps2 games were ported to the more powerful xbox and looked better. This gen xbox games are being ported to the "more powerful" ps3 and constantly are worse.

Sure, multiplat developers could use the extra space to do something, but that takes more time and more resources and most games,especially multis, dont need extra space regardless if its there or not. With developers milking the crap out of most franchises they dont care to put forth the extra money/time. If anything is holding back the ps3 multiplats its time and money. It has nothing to do with 360 especially when you see both versions of a game running on the same tv. It becomes obvious that the ps3 multiplats are gimped and cant keep up on their own.

[Nicaragua]

When PS2 games were ported to the original Xbox then it was usually well after the release of the PS2 version and the games were indeed improved to take advantage of the Xbox's better hardware.

Now if games are released side by side then the PS3 version suffers due to it being harder to develop for, but if the developers are given a chance to optimise the game for the PS3 hardware then you end up with a superior version like Ninja Gaiden 2 Sigma etc.

So release side by side = PS3 suffers
Optimise for PS3 = superior PS3 version of game

Bare in mind that when i refer to optimising the game for the PS3 then thats after its already been created with the Xbox 360 as the lead platform.

[tplarkin7]

...because the 360 is better.

[ultimolu]

...And that's why 360 fanboys are being shafted, right?

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

I might as well lose my other erm 3 Bubbles!!! ;-D

Thanks Mods like i give a Fcuk??? Time for a New name i think;) Your such bad CRY Babies!!! 'Uncharted 2' hurting you that Bad??? ;-D

[Dirk Benedict]

You are being shafted beyond your wildest dreams.

[JonnyBigBoss]

I'd say it isn't holding the PS3 back, but it's holding gaming back. Without a higher cap of potential, games become stagnant. The biggest thing is the fact that it uses DVD9, which at this point is ancient technology in my opinion.

[Feral Gamer]

The only think stagnant about gaming is the lack of innovation. (and western RPGs :) )

[Mwaan]

PS2 was holding back the multiplatform games for the original xbox and when the third xbox is released, the PS3 will be holding back it's multiplatform games. This is the way it is and will always be. I bet if Naughty Dog ported Uncharted 2 to the 360 it would make some of your heads explode at how good it looked. Gears of War 2 looks drastically better than most 360 games. It's more about the developer really.

[pixelsword]

...because I don't have any reference where anything was sacrificed on the xbox for the PS2; do you have any specific examples? Because as far as I've seen, I've never seen a multiplat game look worse on the original xbox that I can recall, nor can I make a clear case of how a xbox exclusive had head and shoulders better online capabilities over a PS2 online game; multiplatform or exclusive.

[Mwaan]

Graphics.

[CimmerianDrake]

It'd look horrible. The 360 can only make brown and gray look good.

[thirstycamel]

There is no way games between the two systems are ever going to be equal, not without two completely different engines running the games.
the 360's processor is ppe heavy. It's a task master, it does what you tell it to do and direct info to other resources if need be. It's terrible at doing floating point calculations, just slows it right down. Now, you could say that's irrelevant, because the 360 has 3 ppe's and each has it own v-chip simular to the PS3's spe's. the difference is it's clocked at 500mhz, a 1/7 of the PS3's spe at 3.2Ghz, and the ppe in the 360 is useless for general tasks while the v-chip does it's floating point calculations. It has also been stated, that the 360's gpu is stronger and better equiped than the PS3's gpu. Fair enough, when the gpu is handling all the graphics processing. That is not necessary on the PS3, the cell can handle half that before it even reaches the gpu. You can compare the ram. I sure the shared 512mbs at 500mhz is great for alot of devs, because thats been the setup on PC's for years. It doesn't mean it more effeceint, ecspecially when the ppe's have to go through the gpu to get it. Plus, the 256mbs of ram used by the PS3's processor has a refresh rate of 3.2Ghz(almost 7 time faster than the 360's). You'd be an idiot if you thought that the info stored on the ram remains the same as the game is being played. The Cell also has direct access to to this memory without having to go through the gpu, but the gpu also has access to it.

I guess the point I'm trying to make here is...with 3rd party game engines designed around PC/360(because we know their the same)architecture, no multi-plat is going to make the PS3 sing. But, don't think for a second that a game like uncharted 2 with a custome engine, that ultilizes the cells parallel processing, and standard HDD would ever be possible on the 360, as is.

[OmarJA]

It's a known fact, compare the exclusives first & you tell me.

[zerocrossing]

its getting pretty damned anoying buying a game like eternal sonata or star ocean only to find out there gunna be on the ps3 months later with much better graphics longer story and more charicters, if the 360 cant take what the developers are making then they realy shouldnt be putting there games on it, dont get me wrong the 360's a great machine i loved playing exclusive's loke Lost Odyssey, Halo 3 and Ace cobat 6, but when you have an awesome game like Final Fantasy 13 coming out and you here that because its also going to on the 360 there going to lower the graphics and possibly have less content because the xbox 360 cant take it, that realy sux so i have to say without a dout that the 360 is holding back the ps3 in certain respects, so i guess now it looks like theres no arguement about what console can boast the best graphics 1'st(PS3) 2'nd(Xbox 360) 3'rd(Wii) no need to mention hand helds, but please dont get confused just because a console has better graphics in no way means there the best console, a console is just a tool used to play your fav games.

[skatezero246]

all I have to say is a simple "ya" uncharted 2, god of war 3, and killzone 2 have/will prove this

[doa766]

the 360 is the lowest common denominator

devs don´t want to put out games that have a significantly better PS3 version because it would hurt 360 sales so the tech limit for MP games is always what the 360 can do

modern warfare 2 looks inferior to killzone 2 and we can only imagine what it would look like if it used all the Ps3's power

assassin's creed 2 and bioshock 2 look pretty much the same as the first parts and it´s because the 360 reached its limit with Gears 2

no upcoming 360 game like Mass Effect 2, Alan Wake or Splinter Cell looks better than Gears 2 and there probably won´t be any game for the 360 that will match it now that Epic announced there won´t be any more Gears this gen

on the PS3 the first Uncharted already looked better than Gears 2 and its from 2007

[tordavis]

No you're wrong. Unreal Engine 3 is at its limits. They shouldn't even make another Gears until UE4 is finished. That engine is very limiting and it's what is now hurting the franchise. The 360 has a lot of power but it's all dependent on the engine. MT Frameworks 2.0, Dead Space engine and whatever Remedy is using for Alan Wake are good examples of this. Oh yeah, DICE's engine will smash your soul when you see it running in full force.

[HDgamer]

Warfare 2 and killzone 2 have two different art styles. Also UE3 engine isn't that much bad, Batman Arkham Asylum made it look really good. Also I didn't know RE5 used that engine.

[taylor35]

nothing to do with the xbox its just lazy developers.

[TheBand1t]

If a game is multiplatform, both systems are holding each other back.

You think Gears 2 would have looked as good as it did if it was multi? What about Killzone 2?

Just sayin'.

[bobdog626]

Dev's all use other Dev's Ideal's .Without Halo there would not be a Killzone and so on.Compotistion make's the World go round.Just look at the PS3 Slim.It was made to combat the Wii and the 360. So in my Opinion it's not holding it back but making it better.

[pixelsword]

but the graphical improvement made the Unreal Tournament III look just as good as Gears 2 that I've compared to on the PS3 version, so I dunno...

[CimmerianDrake]

I think his point went right over your head.

[cliffbo]

you know, in actual fact although this article is right, there is a positive side to this for Sony. just ask yourself: when purchasing a game, where are you going to look for quality? Sony stand to make lots of money from their 1st party games if 3rd party games don't come up to scratch

[Allowen]

Offcourse that the xbox360 is holding back the PS3 on multi plataform games !!
Must be BLIND to not notice that !

WHat consoel can make best graphics and no need to split a game in several discs and also has an HDD on every system ?
PS3 !

Remember that not long time ago devs that are making the game RAGE they said that it is hard to split an open world game in more then 1 disk and so it is even harder to do it in 3 disks.

Because of that the xbox360 version will be in 2 disks while one is only for online play.
For a game that supposed to have the size of 3 or even 4 DVD9 it is kinda a huge nerf and since all versions of the game must look similar then the PC and PS3 VERSIONs of this game will have the same size.

Imagine games like Fallout3 for exemple also, it could have much better graphics and more diferent enviroments but if you do that you not just push the graphics of the game to a new level but also rises the size in megabytes of the final product.

My point is, all those games that we see versions for PS3/Xbox360 and PC could be MUCH better in terms of graphics and content added if they were only on PC/PS3.

I just thank GOD that we(PS3 users) are dependent only of the xbox360 instead of the Wii.

Te only solution on this gen for the PS3 is to keep making exclusive games to keep the high quality level
Never ever a multi plat game wil look better on the PS3/PC over the xbox36o even if that SHOULD happen , but unfortunetelly all needs to look identical.

I hate xbox360 because of that...... Fiinal Fantasy 13.... OFFCOURSE it got NEFRED in graphics and size to fit on the damn cursed 360 console ans so the Ps3 version have to follow the lead of what xbox360 can do .

[i3eyond the Circle]

I only see games looking better.

What are we getting at here?

The only thing holding the Ps3 back is the gamers that play it.

[Wotbot]

would be nice if more developers used custom engines on the 360 rather than middleware engines. Most of them still use the unreal engine.

The 360 can keep up with the PS3. The PS3 is a little bit more powerful, but it's architecture does not help it, and the GPU on the 360 is better. But the Cell is better than the CPU in the 360, and the 360 has 10 meg more RAM on the GPU.

Blu Ray is good for gaming, but multi discs have never bothered me. But not having to decompress the game data must help the PS3.

Uncharted does look good, just played it at my mates, but it didn't blow me away considering all the cores were used on the Cell.

I remember when Gears 1 came out and people were saying it was pushing the 360 to it's max, and this was as good as games would look in the 360.

At the end of the day it's down to the developers to push the machines and the 360 and PS3 have not found their limit yet.

It really doesn't matter I have both consoles and they are both great.

[albert_275]

Storage space does not equal processing power.
More storage space does not necessarily mean better graphics. I would honestly not mind a game like Killzone 2 on the xbox 360 being released on two or three disks.

Can it run it? That's another question. If you compare the technology, each console has a certain advantage other one another. Cell Processor versus Xenos GPU...

[doa766]

to use all the Ps3's power for MP games would mean that devs would have to do two different versions of the games instead of one and then port it like now

not all devs have the time and resources to do that, also it would mean a bigger investment but the same or less profit because less people would buy the 360 inferior version

also you have to understand that the PS3 has not reached its potential yet, it can do better than Uncharted 2, so a MP game that uses all the PS3 potential would make the 360 version look very inferior (like modern warfare 2 on the Wii compared to 360's version now)

that quality gap would be something completely different from the slightly superior 360 versions of MP games, which its caused by the game being made for the 360 language and then translated it (port it) to the PS3, that has nothing to do with potential

that's the reason why I have 18 PS3 games and 12 of those are exclusives, not even Motorstorm Pacific Riff could be done on the 360, it seems a waste of money to buy MP games knowing that they're intentional scaled down to accomodate an inferior's console power

[bobdog626]

Your right about the Dev's .It's not there fault it's the upscaler in the PS3 that's at fault here. The Game's are ported the same way but the upscaler in the 360 does a better job then the PS3 upscaler.That's why when it's made from the ground up Like Unchared it look's Great.But when it's ported the upscaler is not that great.

[CryWolf]

360 have ben holding PS3 back for years now it took you that long to see that.

[Allowen]

Imagine if Naughty Dog was a 3rd party and wasgoing to launch Uncharted 2 for both 360/Ps3 , the game would be 10 times less beautifull and much ,MUCH less content because the development of the game is hold back by the weaker console that is atm the xbox360.

it is @##@ obvious that the xbox360 staying another one ,two or three more years on the market wil be really bad for the PS3/ PC users that could be seeing every game atm at the level of quality of a KZ2/Uncharted 2.

Xbox360 sucks !!! Every dev, including Valve(hehe) could be doing right now games like L4d2 and etc with the similar oe even better quality of a Killzone2 . But it can't happen because this kind powefull engine can't run on a super old hardware that is the xbox360.

[Foxgod]

Yeah ?
Where is that rule you speak of.
Sounds like your high on your own assumptions.

You ps3 fans are always complaining, but us xbox fans are content with our console.
Seems like ps3 fans are blaming their crappy purchase on MS and xbox fans.

[Wotbot]

Delusional to believe what you said.

How much more powerful do you really think the PS3 is compared to the 360???

The main advantage is the Cell, but the GPU on the 360 makes up for some of that because it is more powerful than the PS3 GPU, and the 360 Architecture easier to use.

Both consoles are Powerful but your FANBOY ignorance is obvious.

[pixelsword]

I remember how Strider was a direct Arcade port on the Sega console, or how Mortal Kombat kicked behind on the SNES and put the Genesis to shame. I would say this is a recent development.

[Foxgod]

Ps3fans: Yes
Xbox fans: No.

Now if we would ask the question, Is the ps3 holding the 360 back, then the answer would be.

Ps3fans: No
Xbox fans: Yes.

Thats how ridiculous this article and point of view is.

[pixelsword]

It's all depends on your point of view.

And some Wii fans will probably agree that both consoles are holding back the Wii's motion control potential.

[EVILDEAD360]

LMAO @ the same tired PS3 f-boy arguments against the 360 being rehashed every other month.

What is frighteningly clear is that this will be that the PS3 fanbase will be known as the gamers who don't enjoy games.

Every time you get a good game from a talented developer, insteads of giving the developer their accolades, they whine that hey EVERY game would look like this if they were ALL PS3 exclusives.

Newsflash for the masses:

Uncharted 2 is a graphical phenomenon that again proves that Naughty Dog as a developer are men among mice at what they do.

But, Demon souls is a PS3 exclusive and is my sleeper contender for game of the year, and as great as that game looks, it doesnt come close to doing what UC2 does graphically. In fact, when the rest of the exclusives start trickling out next year that aren't from the big boy devs at Sony, you are going to see how special UC2 really was.

But, this article FAILS when it again like other Microsoft detractors try to drag Halo: ODST into the mix. UC2 alone took what tey say is 18 months to develop, ODST took 8 months using a 3 year old engine. Who cares if the game wasn't the top echelon of graphics. That game still pulls off unmatched innovations like Theater mode, which Naughty Dog was too happy to borrow.

The old crusty Halo 3 engine still does what Killzone 2 couldn't pull off and that is 4 player campaign co-op. Killzone 2 developers admitted that if they tried to put co-op into Killzone 2 the graphics would have suffered.

Modern Warfare 2 will mop the floor up with any FPS this year (including K2). So to say that the masters at Infinity Ward were held back by the 360 is ludicrous.

The Gears series is a 360 exclusive and we all know that both games are still Epic (pun intended) accomplishments in gaming.

Let all the usual internet haters scream in the wind like they always do, but if games like Gears and the upcoming Lost Planet 2 are holding gamers back then who the f@#^ cares?

The hypocrisy is that when Xbox games continue to get better (Forza 3) then it is a rare occurance. But, when a good game comes out for the PS3 then EVERY Multi-plat game is inferior due to the 360.

We will see whose talking next year when Mass Effect 2, Lost planet 2, Splinter cell, and the Juggernaught that is Halo: Reach (which will reach the 3 year development mark by completion).

se you next time when God of War drops and we have this discussion all over again from another 10 PS2 friendly blog sites.

Evil

[proudly_X]

Personally i agree with this article, i regretted every bit of my experience with GTA4, sure, if it was ps3 exclusive, much more contents would have been added, bigger city, numerous sides missions like sanandreas and stuff like that,
Microsoft GO! back to your OS, concentrate on it and stop trying to monopolize everything, cos Google is coming after you!!!!!!!

[Foxgod]

Really, because the only version of GTA that has more content, is the 360 version.

Do you even realize that to make things bigger and longer, you need more development time, so your whole idea if it would be on the ps3 it would be bigger is a load of crap.
Besides, the 360 version of GTA was running in a higher resolution then the ps3 version.

And lol at your google comment.

[pixelsword]

although the PS3 version was running at a lower resolution, the PS3 version looked better, as stated by numerous sites.

[Waldex_Encore]

Are a complete and total DISGRACE for gaming, they are like the evola or something like that to the world of gaming

Al the xbots should be castrated to prevent them to keep fathering generations of stupid people

[Jamescagney]

All you fanboys make me want to vomit. That is all.

[asyouburn]

its easy to compare graphical fidelity between the two systems b/c thats what our eyes immediatley see, but thats only a small part of a game. the only thing the 360 has proven it can do better than ps3 is displaying textures, but if people think that xenon can outperform cell in terms of AI or physics or anything in the back end of a game then they are mistaken. these are the ways i think xbox is holding gaming back. why develop intricate AI for seven synergistic processors on a multiplat?

[Wotbot]

am not disagreeing with your comment.

But you have to remember that the 360 has 2 pipelines per core, so 6 in total. Developers can use hyper processing. It's not like having six cores, more like 5.

Both processors work in a different way.

The Cell processor is more powerful, but that is only part of the power in each console.

I think it is great that both consoles are competing so well.

[IRetrouk]

if the 360 does better textures why can i see them still loading when im playing gears 1 and 2?

[Knightofelemia]

The 360 is holding back the Ps3 look at Ff13 the game was almost finished for the PS3. Microsoft got mad at Square because the game looked better on the PS3 so Microsoft demanded that the game looks equal gimping the game graphics. Most multiplatform games are built on the 360 because it is easier then port them to the Ps3. Most third party developers think if it runs on one system the other system will run the sameway. Thats why some multiplatform games look like crap on the PS3 and some developers are just lazy when it comes to understanding how a system works.

http://www.thekoalition.com...

[Foxgod]

Got proof ?

[pixelsword]

and therein will be the proof in this case; but either way, it will be the developer's fault, not the 360 because it's the decision of the developers to do so.

[mayberry]

You say uc2 looks "good" and "didnt blow you away" o.k. your opinion, but the vast majority of pepole who have played it on a decent t.v. are questioning your viewpoint considering what else is out there, most say uc1 has no equal on the 360. When I played uc2 I can honestly say the game was more than "good" and in fact did at numerous times "blow me away". same with the numerous sony exclusives that have been mentioned. -on topic- my mom bought pong for us kids from sears in the 70's and ive been gaming since, i'm almost 50, I was in gaming nirvana when playing uc2!

[Wotbot]

did say the game looked good. But this game is supposed to be using all the cores on the Cell. I was expecting to be blown away, instead it looked good. The enemies didn't look very impressive. They looked ok, but not great.

I haven't played the game all the way through, so I may have to wait to be blown away, I am looking forward to the train section.

I am not as old as yourself, as a gamer since 1981 and having a lot of import consoles such as the PC Engine and so on, I can only assume we are from a similar gaming generation.

Maybe I was expecting too much because of the hype.

[IRetrouk]

you are talking crap mate, i have just fin the game about 20mins ago and to say the enemies didnt look good, or that the game didnt blow you away is silly, the water and snow effects, the explosions, the enviorment, all the best that this gen has produced so far.

[Wotbot]

really do think the enemies looked ok, certainly not great. That's all, I was expecting better and felt a little disappointed because of the high standards this games sets.

And I did say the game looked good, I haven't been blown away yet.

So to confirm, the game looked good, it just hasn't blown me away yet. Maybe that is down to myself watching to many vids of the game and spoiling the surprise which could blow you away.

I think there is a lesson there???

[A LIVING LEGEND]

When one compares the PS3 exclusives to the overwhelming majority of multiplats the "held back" argument certainly seems plausible.Besides the technical prowess of the devs varying and the desire for equality,what other sensible reasons exist?
Holding back?......perhaps but keeping in check seems more likely considering the evidence.

[bobdog626]

Think i Know why the PS3 get's bad Port's.I think it's the Upscaler in the PS3 that is causing these bad port's.Dev's make the game's the same when it come's out. The rest is done by upscaling.Now Think , Dev have had lot's of time to get it right on the PS3 but even up to today (Operation Flash Point any one)Dev can't get it right.Im saying it's not the Dev's .Who's holding Who Back?

[pixelsword]

If optimized properly, why would the developers use an upscaler at all?

[PirateThom]

All the upscaler does is allow games to be displayed in HD resolutions on 360.

It's why all 360 games list "720p, 1080i, 1080p" under resolutions, even if it's nowhere near that. The chip will upscale to any resolution. Doesn't affect the "base" game though.

[Bumpmapping]

I'd say it's a combination of both M$ holding them back and crappy developers.

[DiffusionE]

....the X360 is indeed starting to look old and weary. And that isn't good news for then PS3 when multiplat games are in question. I'm not trying to take any side here. I just think the PS3 shines brighter when it gets it's exclusive games, like UC2, MGS4, etc.

Microsoft needs to hurry up with a new console because not only is the 360 holding back the PS3, it's also holding back the PC. PC exclusives are rare, especially AAA ones. So we mostly get multiplats that are watered down to the 360-level. When we do get AAA exclusives like Crysis, then we're miles ahead.

[Foxgod]

PC got just as much AAA exclusives as consoles do.
Theres not that much exclusives on the consoles, and multi look lightyears better on the pc, then they do on consoles.

[i_am_interested]

dont worry, im sure CryEngine 3 will bring a little respect back to the 360 seeing as how everything is starting to look stale on there

[Wolf873]

what if 360 too had these two devices(Blu ray and HD) as standards, things would certainly have been different, in a lot of ways.

[proudly_X]

And lol at your google comment.
............................. ............................... ............
you troll, M not sure u are aware that Google is Coming out with a Powerful OS next year, keep living in your world of illusion...

[Foxgod]

Google is not coming with a powerful OS, its coming with a barebone OS, a small kernel that got a web browser shell around it.
Its specifically designed for Nettops.

How the heck is that supposed to compete with MS ?
MS isnt even in the Nettop market, Windows is not even made for ARM processors.

@Below
Thats what some people claim, and other claim that everything will be citrix based.
You really shouldnt believe everything people try and tell you, these so called visionaries are just trying to sell their junk.
What everything will be like in future, noone can tell, and web browser applications do not have a large chance to succeed.
Maybe for dumb terminals.

[pixelsword]

The power of the future isn't in the OS, the power is in the browser: what is happening now is that all apps are (very slowly) becoming browser centric, which overrides the native OS on the system. What that means is that a program can be made for the browser and be OS independent, so any OS can use any program and save devs from making an Apple version or a Windows version or Linux version.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Well,

Looking at any 360 exclusive and any multiplat game its quite obvious they lack the details and true CGI quality graphics that Only PS3/PC can deliver.

Developers have to work according to the weakest link.This link, sadly, being the 360.Therefore yes, 360 IS holding back next generation gaming.

Way to go microsoft! *High fives*

[waljaber]

it's not fair to compare such powerhorse console to poor PC base board console, the Xbox was 1.5 from the day Microsoft announce it, i have booth console and to be honest i bought the Xbox the day came out and i played 5 games only in these years, because i enjoyed most of it's games on the PC which have better graphics and the other games not worth buying, i stopped believing most of the journalist believing from experience they got paid to be bias!!!!
so real gamer should stop all this B.S. articles because hardcore gamers know exactly what these console means to them, i don't like Sony to conquer and i love other company to bring real next-gen console.
i wish to see an Xbox magazine comparing PS3 exclusive games to their!!! now that well be fun.

[XDF]

When I play a freaking game, I do not think about BS like which console is holding which console back.

Mario 64 and Zelda can do better if it was on CD rom back in the day, but does that make those game any less fun or stop them from becoming masterpieces?

This generation is becoming a joke as fanboys on all sides (including Wii fans as well) are using technologies to defend their console of choice.

PS3 came out over a year later thanthe X360 so of course it will be equipped with the latest and great tech..just like the Xbox was to the PS2.

GTA3 trilogy was released on PS3 first and that game was god aweful in the graphics but was praised for the gameplay by critics. The Xbox versions of those games were much better becuase it was more powerful. Did PS2 held back GTA3???

Also, this is one thing I have not figured out yet, 99.9% of third party games were better on xbox compared to PS2...back in the days, common sense will tell you duh...xbox is a newer system with better tech, so of course multiplats will look better.

Now, in this generation, PS3 is the newest, most powerful system, then why is 95% of all multiplats look better and play better on X360?

Conclusion, play the games you want on your system and stop worrying about "what if"

[proudly_X]

lols

[Ashby_JC]

EVERYONE is entitled to have there own opinion. And I have mine and I wont argue with this guys opinion.

Ill just enjoy Forza 3 in a few weeks. And plat some Uncharted 2 in the meantime.

[fatboybitbag360]

The defense force is here lol. A little tired i was up playing the best TPS ever made last night. There no mistaking the 360 is holding the ps3 back. No need to discuss blu ray or hd dvd just look at the exclusives lol i mean c'mon there's no denying it. Fox your use of GTA is crazy lol, if the dlc was on the PS3 it would have fit on one disk lol and the initial title prolly would been twice as big if they didn't have to develop it for the 360 first. It is Sony's fault because they didnt release their hardware until a year later. Lets get real kids either the sony contracted devs are that much better than the rest or the system (PS3)is making it possible for these devs who fully utilize the superior tech to make games like KZ2, Uncharted 2 etc. So which one is it?

When the 360 is fully operational i will purchase one to play crappy multiplats, but right now I'm satisfied with Sony's exclusives, they are just amazing games, i just picked Demon Souls too!!!!!!

[pixelsword]

...when other people try to impersonate you.

[PATthePlague]

lol. Why the hell are you impersonating torrence davis. what a loser. lol.

[BubbleSniper]

how it feel to have your butts open so wide even planets have no

problem orbiting inside? that what it like to be xbox owner

you ready to drop 299.99 on a console that has all the crap sold

seperate, with you right now? or do you wanna drop 299.99 on a pos

with everything sold separate?

wi-fi

proprietary hd

betas

inferior graphics

DLC passing as full games

rrod

e74

33.3% ..... 54.2%!? fail

fail

more fail

even more fail

supreme fail!

jump in to fail

jump out to It Only Does Everything

[PATthePlague]

The truth is, whenever I want to experience a truly next gen experience, I look to PS3 exclusives. Because I know their games will always push bar forward. xbox 360 games never seem to give me that wow factor but because of party chat and exclusive xbl features, i could appreciate those games too. I do think that the 360 is holding back the ps3 because it is clear that developers want the two versions to look equal so that the fanboys don't boycott their games. If the ps3 version looks slightly worse, sales have shown that its no big deal for them so devs are happy. Devs will always favor the 360 version more because that is where the money is at. 360 fanboys buy way more games than ps3 fanboys. PS fanboys talk more crap on the internet than they buy games. uncharted 2 should have sold 2 million by now with all the talking these fanboys are doing. My advice to the ps3 fanboys is to buy more games and the devs will focus more on the ps3 version and start utilizing the ps3.

[Ashby_JC]

Thats no Torrence Davis. Look at the name not just the avatar. Almost fooled me LOL!!

[ForROME]

These people screaming Digital Downloading are a joke, have you seen what America currently has in place for bandwidth and lines?

Downloading 30-50GB games, no thanks

And

"Well in Fable 3, you're gonna be able to scuba dive"

Peter M couldnt hit water if he fell out of a Fing Boat

[Cherchez La Ghost]

MS need to worry about right now. I do agree, DVD9 is old tech that is fading fast. Our games are getting better and better as time goes by. My rant to MS is the pricing for their HD's. I say drop the price for their HDD's. Make a 250gig for around $75.00. Put xtra content on an additional DVD's to be downloaded to their HDD. Give a discount for all non-HDD 360 owners. This we'll compensate for storage issues. At least I can upgrade my PS3 anytime I want. Too bad I cannot do that for my 360.

[Ashby_JC]

So what would the writer suggest as an alternative.

1. Gettng rid of the 360?

2. Make all games for the PS3 and cease production on 360 games so they look like uncharted 2?

I dont 100% disagree with the article but to say somehow the 360 is holding the PS3 back is kinda stretching it.

If that was the case I ask the writer HOW COME EVERY ps3 exclusive doesnt look as good as uncharted 2? By your logic ALL PS3 games should be on uncharted 2s level?

But here is the problem...its up to the devs and the engine they are using that determines how the game will look. They decide how much they want to devote to the visuals early on.

ND went for a cinematic look and top notch gfx. Not every dev will go as far as ND went.

Because also the BOTTOM line is sales. If putting the time into a game like K2 for the GFX equalled sales. MORE devs would spend more time on the GFX.

Take Halo for example. The game doesnt tout its VISUALS...never has. But is one of the best selling games out there. Dont you think other DEVS and ppl in charge are looking at what makes a game sell?

At this point based on SALES of current gen games...the GFX is NOT what is the leading reason a game sells well.

[-MoOkS-]

No, thats why multiplats have to be downgraded for ps3.

ps3 is holding the 360 back obviously

[maverick1191]

lmao

theres always one dumbass in a article aint they? mooks

'No, thats why multiplats have to be downgraded for ps3.

ps3 is holding the 360 back obviously'

so with games like U2 that really show what the ps3 is capable of and multi plats can look like that on the ps3 but because they are multi plat they have to be downgraded to fit on certain consoles (360) the only good looking game you have is gears and thats 2 years old now

it shows that games that are going onto the ps3 are being downgraded because they are multi plat

example GTA could of been a much bigger and better looking game if it was only for ps3 yet because it has to go on 360 they have to limit the game size reducing quality etc because of your last gen dvd dics

[XDF]

I have freaking news for you..

Bluray and HD DVD were not available or very expensive when the X360 was release back in 2005.

I own over 70 X360 games and 20 PS3 games and guess what, I don't give a Sh!t, I play games for fun, go to work, take a dump and go to sleep...If one day, All third party decides to go PS3 exclusive because they want to make a better game, more power to them..I will be the first in line to buy Bioshock 3, Modern Warfare 3, and GTA5 for the PS3, but until then, I am happy with exclusives on both sides and cherry pick the best multiplats ie..BAtman:AA on PS3 and MW2 on X360.

Be a player, not a hater.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Not too many of us on this website XDF. Enjoy every good game that comes out.

[free3sixty]

lol this is a typical PS3 fanboy article... then why look games better on 360 although the PS3 was the elad plattform? lol

Why do the cryengine works on both consoles??

Have ya seen RAGE with IDS new ID TECH 5 Engine? KZ2 looks like crap compare dto that game.

Have ya seen Just Cause2?? It looks close to uncharted in terms of graphics.

Really.. if IBM told that both CPus are qeual then why do the fanboys dont accept this fact? lol

[free3sixty]

also just look here on n4g.. 80% are POS3 fanboys.. like in EVERY forums all around the world.. why?? Cause the ybuy no games.. just look on software sales. They can only TALK.. but they dont buy games.

Poor sony.. they have to bundle EVERY exclusiv.. cause ppl prefer multiplattform games.

Poor droids...

And the last gen Blu Ray drive with its 30 minute installs in nearly every game.. + weekly updates/ patches..

The ONLY console which gets BETA games is the PS3.. getting patches around 300 MB, LOOL while thers no problem with the 360 version.

[maverick1191]

dont start with the poor sony bundling exclusives with there console theres a 360 gears and halo bundle and gears 2 bundle and halo odst bundle so stfu

[Dirk Benedict]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Figboy]

last generation, developers didn't have a problem with putting extra effort into the Xbox versions of games, showing off how powerful it was compared to the PS2 (and you can't deny that games like Prince of Persia, Beyond Good and Evil, and other multi-plats looked better on the Xbox).

but this generation, suddenly everybody wants to be fair, when the PS3 has CLEAR advantages over the 360 that can be utilized (ie, the built in HDD, and the extra space afforded by Blu Ray; 25-50gigs will ALWAYS be better than 7.5gigs for developers).

i'm not saying there's a vast conspiracy going on, but i AM saying that a lot of developers this gen have a clear affinity for the 360 over the PS3.

developers like Kojima Productions make PS3 games because they can utilize ALL of it's features, and their game speaks for itself. MGS4 is a testament to game design, and the potential of the PS3.

Uncharted 2 was made my first party studio, Naughty Dog, and while i have no doubt that if it was 360 exclusive, it'd be awesome (ND are tech gods; the things they did with the PS2 with the Jak series is excellent: streaming worlds, no load times, etc; that didn't just appear THIS generation, Naughty Dog did it with Jak and Daxter ONE), but because they were able to fully utilize the PS3. it looks amazing.

i watched the bonus videos on UC2, and it's amazing that most of the games graphics are rendered on the SPUs, and not graphics chip, RSX. Naughty Dog said that they use the RSX to draw more polygons, but the SPUs are handling just about everything else from physics to lighting, to post-processing effects. it's how they got the game to look so good.

that, and being able to have 25gigs of data on a Blu Ray disc, they didn't have to compress and cut corners so much. remember, the Cell is a beast for streaming data, and the Blu Ray disc has a constant read speed. you don't have to cache so much to the RAM, and can instead stream the data constantly from the disc. if need be, the HDD is available as well, but ND doesn't have an install in UC2 either (so much for EVERY PS3 game having installs. the best looking game this generation by far doesn't install to the HDD, doesn't have load times, and isn't running on Unreal Engine 3).

is the 360 holding the PS3 back? no, but developers are.

i've never known developers to shy away from attempting to use the full potential of a console until it was the Playstation 3 with the edge. i find it harder and harder to pay $60 for multi-plat titles when the PS3 gets exclusives like Killzone 2, inFAMOUS, MGS4, Uncharted, GT5, Ratchet, and God of War 3, to name only a very few titles that really push the console.

with that said, i still bought Batman AA, and i'll try and get Brutal Legends and Assassin's Creed 2 when i can, but the PS3 exclusives put up too much of a good argument as to why i should buy them first instead (i got the great news that my local game store should be getting Ratchet and Clank Future: A Crack in Time this week, so that's my next game purchase; sorry Brutal Legends and Borderlands).

[Gamingskills]

Yall forget that there are compression techniques so yes dvd9 holds 9 gigs but with compression your looking at more information being squeezed on a dvd9 hence FFXIII being on three disks and not more. With all the space on blu-ray there is no need to compress which im sure in the long run is better for the devs not having to try to squeeze everything onto a certain amount of disks.

[PirateThom]

360 DVDs aren't even 9GB though, they're around 6 due to 2GB of security.

They have less storage this gen than last gen.

[XDF]

Well, well, well, what do we have here?

Another week, another one of these article. It is like NFL Sunday..instead of watching football...PS3 fanboys are gathering on another Troll fest.

That is even before the infamous HHG show comes on today.

[dkgshiz]

YES! MGS4,LBP,KZ2,Lair,UC2&1, all could never be done on the 360.

[Neo604]

It not just holding back the ps3 but the nextgen gameing.
Just ff13.

[Neo604]

It's just a cheaper version of pcbox360.

[ukilnme]

Nope. Developers can make games multiplatform or choose to support the PS3 exclusively to take full advantage of it's hardware.

[Rowsdower]

dont use bluray and are not 25gb in size, does this mean that the pc is holding the ps3 back?

[i_am_interested]

no need to panic, im sure cryengine will "save" the 360 in terms of graphics

[Ninjamonkey]

Maybe the 360 is holding things back a bit but its not too bad.

Farcry 2 is an incredible looking game and is multiplat, and MW2 seems to be too.

[boss_killa]

so what if the 360 is holding back some of the ps3 multiplats. the ps3 has enough 1st party games to show off its power. if some multiplat devs dont want to take the time to use the ps3's advantages then f'ck'em.

i sure as hell will not buy these 'held back' multiplat ports/versions because of a bunch of lazy devs.

sony's 1st party is more than enough for me.

[bjornbear]

question is...why are PS3 exclusives MILES better in terms of graphics and "on screen action" and over all quality than any multiplat? I can't answer that question...but there must be a reason other than "BUT TEH MULTIPLATZZZZ 360 > PSTREE"....

[Schobeleth]

When I don't consider them the worst. I'd say the worst are Nintendo fanboys, mostly because their console is devoid of games that once made Nintendo amazing. Yeah, I own a Wii. How many games do I own for it? I can count them on one hand. Outside their first party lineup, what else is there? Even if a good game like Madworld comes out, it sells so poorly it's a joke.

I sincerely believe (after playing+beating Uncharted 2) that the fact that we STILL get poorly done PS3 versions of multiplatform games is completely inexcusable. If anything PS3 owners shouldn't buy them to send a message to lazy developers to get their sh!t together instead of half-assing a PS3 port when Microsoft is so adamant about their version being identicle to the PS3 version (FF XIII anyone?).

Look at Bayonetta, sure it's not THAT noticable but once you've seen them compared it definitely is. What's extremely irritating is that it's not anything big either, it's something we know the PS3 can easily handle and yet we're seeing muddy textures and poorer colors, and so on. The fact that they're being so quiet about it, silently distancing themselves from the port Sega did, it really irritates me. It also confuses me when the game will easily sell better in the East as compared to the West, so why make the lead platform a console that is selling laughably bad in Asia?

I don't think I'm going to get FF XIII because of how much that game has been butchered to compensate for the 360's limitations (mostly from disc space, still). I will definitely get FF Versus XIII as long as it stays PS3 exclusive. I seriously think that game will outshine any of Square's current-gen efforts (they've mostly been mediocre at best, IMO). I think Square knows if they let that one go multi-platform fans will burn down their corporate building in Japan.

[SpartanZero]

http://www.ps3news.com/Play...

[Lyner Barsett]

Its the third party developers fault their games look like hell on the ps3 their the ones holding back the ps3. They don't fully utilize the system or even want to learn how to utilize the system. They would rather produce the game and get it out the door and onto the shelf. As for the xbox being the way it is with a small HDD and no Blu-Ray thats what happenes when you are first to launch a console without seeing what the other companies are doing to theirs.

[SpartanZero]

The GPU in the PS3 is holding the Ps3 back. Ps3 has exclusives with good graphics but it still isn't as impressive as Gears of War 1 a game released in 2006 is still the graphics king on consoles. If You really think 99% of multiplats look better on 360 because it holds the ps3 back you need to do more research. Both CPU's in the 360 and PS3 are fairly equal as stated by Carmack and IBM. The reason why Ps3 exclusives look better than multiplats is because of Blu-ray Edge Tools and the 1 GB dev kits that Uncharted and Killzone 2 posses.

[CernaML]

"Ps3 has exclusives with good graphics but it still isn't as impressive as Gears of War 1 a game released in 2006 is still the graphics king on consoles."

Ahahahahahahahaha. You're hilarious.

[TheMailman]

Damn you MS... Burn in hell...

[Wotbot]

would love to see Naughty Dog bringing out a 360 exclusive with a custom engine which takes advantage of the 360 GPU, which is better then the one in the PS3.

Lets not forget it's the developers who make the games look great.

I haven't seen a better graphical console split screen graphics then Gears 2, and that's on a middleware game engine.

Developers have the power, it's up to them if they use it.

[mmj]

The physics alone would bring the 360's Xenon CPU to its knees, it's not enough just having a great GPU you need a CPU capable of performing physics/AI etc and feeding the GPU, it's no coincidence that many of the best looking 360 titles run at only 30fps.

[SaberEdge]

What are you talking about? Most games on the PS3 and 360 run at 30FPS.

Anyway, each console has it's strengths. If a developer like Naughty Dog did make a game for the 360 you would see advantages and disadvantages in comparison to that same game on the PS3.

[Brixxer600]

Never mind that , the question should be why can't anybody else match Naughty Dog ? , they are simply streets ahead of everybody else as far as devs for PS3 goes.Uncharted 2 has set a stunning benchmark and other devs really should try stepping up to the plate.

Both machines have good and bad points , i've recently got back into using my 360 (Because of the imminent release of Forza 3) and it's made me realise that the 360 is still well ahead of the PS3 in multiplayer online gaming , Sony have been improving and improving a lot but XBL is still better and paying for it doesn't bother me.

I will continue using my PS3 for exclusives and my 360 for MP .

Anyway , 10/10 for Naughty Dog and everybody else must try harder , the PS3 has loads to offer yet.

[gumgum99]

Multi-Platform games tend to look identical on normal development cycles. It is the exclusive games that show off the horsepower of the respected console.

[BubbleSniper]

graphics jester at best

[doa766]

MP GAMES PERFORM SLIGHTLY BETTER ON THE 360 BECAUSE THEY'RE MADE FOR THE 360'S LANGUAGE AND THEN PORTED TO PS3, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PS3'S POWER

is that so hard to understand?

Modern Warfare 2 looks inferior to Killzone 2, if it wasn´t for the 360 holding it back it would be something really amazing instead of a slightly improved version of the first game

[ReBurn]

Are you saying that ALL multi-plats start out on the 360 and get ported? Even if that's the case, there's no reason for the developer to not enhance the PS3 version if the PS3 is so much more powerful. That's just an excuse. There's no reason for the developer to not make the PS3 version look better.

In the last generation multiplats pretty much always took advantage of the Xbox hardware and looked better than the PS2 versions. That could be the case here. The reason that Killzone 2 looks better is that Sony was intimately involved in the creation and publication of the game. Modern Warfare gets no such support. THAT is what holds the game back.

[RockmanII7]

When in doubt, blame the 360

[dustgavin]

Doubt? No, it is obvious that PS3 exclusive games look much better than any 360 exclusive. Plus, the 360 has been out a year longer so what excuse does Microsoft have?

[makingdamage]

It´s a shame third party developers only care about making as much money as possible instead of trying to make the best game they can. We, they gamers are the ones who suffers while the developers laugh all the way to the bank.
I want to believe that before video game business became as big as it has gotten more developers took pride in trying to make the best game they could. These days there seem to be a lot of developers who are only in the business to make as much money as possible.

[AliTheBrit19]

No......

As it has been stated before.

Although PS3 exclusives may look may look better than Xbox 360 exclusives, this has nothing to do with either other console.

Multi-Platforms on the other hand, almost ALWAYS look better on the Xbox 360 (and that is a FACT) so if the same game on both systems looks and runs better on the 360, how the hell can the 360 be holding the PS3 back?

The very quote doesn't even make sense, for example Uncharted 2, Just finished it today, visually amazing isn't it? are you telling me the 360 somehow held it back? could it have looked better if the 360 happened to not exist? of course not.

[CernaML]

You obviously don't know how to read. They are talking about multiplatform games. They used Uncharted 2 as an example of the 360 not holding the PS3 back this time.

[tonywood24]

THE ONLY "REAL" EXPLANATION FOR PS3 MULTIPLAT GAMES LOOKING UN-IMPRESSIVE, IN COMPARISON TO PS3 EXCLUSIVES, IS THE MONEY!

Meaning, If Sony want their games to outshine, then they may need to pay a little extra for it. Activision will make their money, and although it's a shame to say this...but this is America were talking about. A country where we as a people have to pay for water, because now that it's a multi-billion dollar a year business, the government/federal see that bucks can be made from being cheap with water purification, thus getting paid off individual companies gains. (THINK ABOUT IT!)

My tie in to this article is this: Developers like Activision and EA are lazy, cheap, and no matter how many millions they make....it's somehow never enough. The quality service in America is at an all time low, with customers being victimized by it. People prefer foreign cars because no matter the year...Honda's and Toyota's ARE ALL VERY DEPENDABLE....WITHOUT CHARING A TON EXTRA TO DELIVER THE BEST SERVICE! I bang on Microsoft about their business practices, BUT all the companies and developers do it. It sucks, but until people stop supporting the multiple Halo's, Guitar Hero's, and over priced Activision Guitars and DJ Hero turntables...this will continue to happen. I wanted a PS3, but not for the price Sony was trying to RIP me at! After no one bought it...BOOM, a honest price of $299 just magically appeared...didn't it? INSTEAD OF FIGHTING EACH OTHER, THE "FANBOY" GAMERS NEED TO FIGHT THE POWER!!!!

[flyinrhyno]

Obviously the 360 fanboys never attended public school. bear with my metaphor, you have the really smart kids that get held back by the slower kids asking the same question over and over. These classes are the multiplatform games. Then you have the AP classes these are the PS3 exclusives with content designed for the more powerful brain/system. Then there are the special ed classes like the 360 exclusives, sure all these students think they're so smart because they finally can color in the lines, we don't want to hurt the feelings so they get an A on their report card and post their picture on the fridge. But they don't compare. So in conclusion of the PS3 versions are held back, Especially when they develope the game for the 360 then try to figure out how to get it to work on the PS3. You have to admit that if it was in reverse, if the game was developed for the PS3 then stuff was taken out or scaled down 360 owners would pitch a fit. I don't blame companies for choosing the most profitable option. Unfortunately yes the fact that the 360 is in the same market it does hinder the game quality of multiplatform games on the PS3. Deal with it.

[ambientFLIER]

The original Xbox was twice as powerful as the PS2 and its exclusives and multiplats looked better. Did that matter? Nope. The PS2 won by a landslide.

System specs and power aren't a guarantee of anything.

What's holding back the PS3 is the complicated architecture, not the Xbox. Some smaller third party developers don't have the luxury of being able to spend 50 million dollars and 5 years developing a game like GT5 or UC2, and unless you put in a ton of effort, the resulting game will look worse than on Microsoft's platform.

This whole "holding back" thing is stupid, anyway. What do you guys want, 3 separate consoles exactly even in processing power? One console only? Give me a break...

Now bring on the disagrees! Let's see how many fanboys don't want to hear the truth!

[ambientFLIER]

PS2 - 300mhz, 32mb ram

Xbox - 733mhz, 64mb ram

There was a significant difference in graphics between the two.

UC2 used an existing engine from UC1, that's why it took only 18 months, and yes, the xbox is winning due to the lower price and the early start.

I'm not even a troll. I wrote a serious comment, with no flame bait. You, however, ARE a genuine troll.

[NateDPG]

Yes!

[R2RROD2]

Uncharted 2 was completed in roughly 18 months. Throw that 5 year crap out of the window.

[ambientFLIER]

That's because they already had the game engine done with the first one, dork. How long did Killzone 2 take? GT5? MGS4? Exactly.

Then again, why am I responding to somebody who has RROD in their name? Throw yourself out the window instead.

edit: I never said it was a bad thing...I just said that some companies cannot afford it. I never said the PS3 sucked, or whatever, in fact I own one, and like many of the games, so stop critiquing everything that I say.

[XDF]

So, from my estimation, you have own the full retail version of Alan Wake to make that assumption?

I am going to trade in ALL 60 of my X360 Multiplat games to gamestop and start saving for PS3 exclusives WKC, Ratchet Sequel#12, MAG, GOW3, and GT5..

Never mind Bioshoock 2, Modern Warfare 2, Assassin's Creed 2, Max Payne 3, and Bad Company 2 (which will be better on X360, BTW)

[ReBurn]

People are always going to blame the 360. However, if it is truly possible to create a better experience on the PS3 then developers are clearly choosing to not make their multi-platform experiences better there. Nothing says that the versions MUST be exactly the same, so to blame the 360 is an excuse. Many games also get a PS2 version, so is the PS2 also holding PS3 graphics back?

Many multi-platform games are actually better on the 360. Case in point is Ghostbusters. Is it the 360's fault that the developer didn't add the same graphic flair to the PS3 version that the 360 had? That was a choice by the developer, nothing more.

The absolute truth is that games like Uncharted 2 are the exception, not the rule. There are only a few PS3 games that reach that level of production quality. Multi-platform developers are less interested in creating masterpieces than they are milling out games to keep the lights on.

[R2RROD2]

Because you care. γνῶθι σαυτόν~~

[XDF]

Don't buy Third Party games if you felt cheated. Don't buy MW2, Assassin's Creed 2, Bioshock 2 or Fifa 2010...if you think they did not match the hight standard of your PS3 exclusives KZ2 and Uncharted 2, just don't buy it, and stop B!tching..it is that simple

Let X360 fans enjoy these inferior games and Sony fans can all just buy and play all Sony exclusives, get your superior version of NG2 and Tales of Vesperia and Superior versions of Mass Effect 2 and Splinter Cell Conviction on your PC Rig....Go have fun.

Also, DO NOT buy the PS3 versions of Tekken 6 and Final Fantasy 13 as they were seriously held back because of the X360...don't support lazy developers...Just say No...support Sony, Demon Soul, Valkyria Chronicles, HAZE.

Please let X360 fans enjoy the hold back ports and inferior DVD9 games and inferior exclusives like Forza 3 and Halo ODST.

Please close this thread Mod...enough is enough with this BS.

[Jink]

If the XB360 wasn't around, all games (excluding Wii*) and PS3 games including the in-between ports, and XB360 "exclusives", playing on the PS3, would had have looked equal or/and better than Killzone2.

The XB360 is really a burden for the PS3, plain dead weight. The only crew not caring this dead weight is Tecmo's Ninja Team. All other develops like Capcom, Namco, etc. could have done the same as Tecmo, but it was already a lot of work to make their games to fit both consoles (under XB360 standards), and the ports end up looking good. Not as they would have looked on PS3 standards, but still they looked good.

In my opinion, all Halo games on the PS3 could easily look exactly, like the Halo3:ODST's live-action TV ad.

Hopefully the XB360 won't be around anymore soon. Developers are finally beginning to understand PS3's cell processor, and its capabilities. It won't be long for developers to start developing games on the PS3 as easy as in any other PC.

*I excluded the Wii because Nintendo is not working towards the same technical goals as SONY.

[SaberEdge]

You're not a developer. Don't try to pull that BS.

[flyinrhyno]

These articles are written to stimulate debate and conversation. Take a lesson from history, separate cannot be equal. I hate people who post comments that are off topic or stupid @XDF. If it bothers you so much close the browser and go sit in the corner. The author isn't directly blaming Microsoft, he is stating an opinion that is supported by facts and thoughtful consideration. Oh, and people that bring up PC gaming are truly lost, PC games are dying out because of piracy and hacking. There are alot more loopholes and backdoors in these games, its the nature of the beast. I haven't played a computer game since betrayal of crondor, when you had to boot with a boot disk, such a pain in the ass playing a game with a keyboard. Alot of my friends play WOW, heavy great looking game to much of a commitment, if I can't do it with about 16 buttons, I'm good. Assassins Creed 2 will probably suck just like the first one.

[XDF]

you said "Take a lesson from history, separate cannot be equal. I hate people who post comments that are off topic or stupid @XDF. "

What an idiot...it seems like you are the one going off topic with babbling about PC games and WOW, piracy and such.\

Please read the article again before opening your traps. You only look like a fool afterward.

andf @Jink 20..

you said "In my opinion, all Halo games on the PS3 could easily look exactly, like the Halo3:ODST's live-action TV ad."

Now, that is a stupid comment my friend. You and flyinrhyno have a lot in common, I see. LOL

[Halo3 MLG Pro]

LMAO. Oh Gamewire. Your true colors are starting to show. Their have been numerous top developers stating that both the ps3 and the 360 are equal in power. Both have strengths and weaknesses.

[DigitalAnalog]

-End Statement

[el zorro]

Quote- "I prefer the developers to speak through their games rather than their mouths."-

What the hell is your point? All devs that actually make games for both systems have shown that their 360 games are equal or better than their ps3 versions.

Devs like Naughty Dog haven't made a game for the 360 so that does not really show anything there. We'll never really know what kind of results they could get on the 360, but we do know that all of the devs that actually make games for both consoles create equal or better looking 360 multiplats.

[DigitalAnalog]

Subjective vs Objective:

Subjective: "Devs like Naughty Dog haven't made a game for the 360 so that does not really show anything there."

Objective: No game on the 360 has topped Uncharted 2 in quality and visually.

Hence why it's no surprise you've got no bubbles left...

[xoxideu]

the failbox is holding the entire gaming industry back

fail in.

[XDF]

don't buy games..so it doesn't matter. LMFAO

[xoxideu]

xbox isn't innovative it's the opposite, going backwards in technology

[el zorro]

That doesn't even make sense, nerd.

[mayberry]

The absolute truth is that games like Uncharted 2 are the exception, not the rule. There are only a few PS3 games that reach that level of production quality. Multi-platform developers are less interested in creating masterpieces than they are milling out games to keep the lights on.

mayberry says.. uncharted is definitely NOT an exception! It is a RULE for sony exclusives to be very polished(unc 1-kz2-motorstorm1&2), very thought out(-MGS4-lbp), very A.I. calculation heavy(flower-lair-mlb the show), graphically progressive (all of 'em-wipeout hd,etc.. )also online progressive(resistance 2-mag)

Bottom line is devs don't have to keep multis equal-they do, for a variety of reasons, some being a better ps version would piss xbox fans off so much they wouldn't buy them out of spite! also of course the money involved.

[SaberEdge]

If you think most PS3 exclusives are anywhere near the quality of Uncharted 2 you are truly lost, my friend.

[xoxideu]

how short it's life was..

but good riddance..

[maxcer]

you should try and enjoy your games instead of hating on consoles. they're fun.

[akumous]

Back in the old days if a console more superior than the other you definitely see the visual result. For eg, back in the SNES VS Genesis days, MK looked way better on the SNES version due to superior hardware, however, The Genesis version had blood which compensated for the crappy port.

It would be nice if the developers take advantage of the hardware and give the superior port a more graphical edge instead of making them even.

[kevinberger]

Do your research. SNES 3rd party games generally had better graphics, but did the Genesis hold it back? No it was considered innovative.

I seem to recall XBOX games had better graphics over PS2, no one ever claimed the PS2 was holding anything back, and fanboys would have busted a nut if it had been claimed. Yet games like God of War took full advantage of the PS2.

So why don't PS3 3rd party games look better? Why doesn't Sony lobby for better graphics or give them better support? So this argument is silly, the only company to blame is the insular, arrogant Sony, oh good thing I got a second job to pay for a PS3!

[kevinberger]

Do some research. The SNES had better graphics for the most part and yet the Genesis was considered innovative, and not holding the SNES or gaming back.

I seem to recall XBOX games had better graphics over PS2, no one ever claimed the PS2 was holding anything back, and fanboys would have busted a nut if it had been claimed. Yet games like God of War took full advantage of the PS2.

So why don't PS3 3rd party games look better? Why doesn't Sony lobby for better graphics or give them better support? You people need to realize competition is good, without the 360 the price would not be 300.00 same with no PS3, prices would be higher and game quality less. So this argument is silly, the only company to blame is the insular, arrogant Sony, oh good thing I got a second job to pay for a PS3!

[TABSF]

Is consoles holding PC back?

Fact!!!

[SaberEdge]

Ha ha, you're funny.

[Chevalier]

I don't know I'm hearing a lot of 360 fans claiming that the 360 is just as powerful, but, when it's all said and done talk is cheap, where's your solid proof? The 360 not only had a year head start, it's easier to code for and already has the 'best' multiplatform games, so how come pretty much none of the 1st party stuff from MS match even the best looking 3rd party games then? Isn't that a little contradictory? Shouldn't the 1st party stuff be blowing away 3rd party games?

Sure someone mentioned AW, Mass Effect 2, SC: Conviction and even Halo Reach are going to blow us away. Yeah well those games aren't out yet so you can say all you want, but, I'll believe it when I see it. If they don't match up however, what are you guys going to say then? Oh wait till Fable 3 comes out and Halo 4 will just BLOW you away. Yeah there's always later, but, how about NOW, you know 4 years in and one more extra year + EASY to develop for.

Shouldn't MS already be flexing it's muscle and PS3 playing catchup in graphics?

[SaberEdge]

I'll turn that around and ask: if the PS3 is more powerful, shouldn't it be showing it with better-looking multi-platform games?

It's down to the developers, you say, and what they do with the hardware? Then, might that also be the reason some PS3 exclusives look so great?

Why is it that if a PS3 game looks poor it is claimed to be "the fault of the developer", but if a PS3 game looks great it is because "the hardware is simply better"?

Nah, conjecture is meaningless. I'd rather trust the developers who actually create games for both consoles, many of which have stated quite clearly that the two consoles are very close in power. 99% of the games on either console look about the same in any case.

[thirstycamel]

Hey, I work for chevalier inc. Chevalier chrysler in Aurora, Ontario, actually. Just wanted to say hi!

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

but the spec's in PS3 are in SOME dev's words "holding the system itself back" because people aren't familiar with the tech and don't have all the funds needed to truely explore it. So PS3 kinda shoots itself in the foot as well!

I mean we KNOW (if you don't you're living in a cave) that 360 CANNOT do PS3 exclusives AT ALL. But 360 would have to get HEAVILY DEGRADED games all the time if the PS3 were the lead platform all the time as well. No matter who has what tech, 1 of the consoles would ALWAYS be holding the other back.

I mean honestly... isn't it only NATURAL for the LAST console to release to respectivley be superior to its competition? last time I checked it was!

People need to stop blaming and pointing fingers, and be thankful with what they do have for games to play on their consoles!

I mean imagine if this gen relied on Wii as the lead console? I wouldn't even be gaming this gen if that were so!

Im currently enjoying Uncharted 2, Brutal Legend, and Saw... all on my PS3. Same ole' played out Gears and L4D on my 360 with its too long of a drought dry season of no good exclusives!

[fatstarr]

2.1ghz dual core > i7 in the backwards world where the ps3 is holding the 360 back

[Chevalier]

"I'll turn that around and ask: if the PS3 is more powerful, shouldn't it be showing it with better-looking multi-platform games?"

Batman AA and a bunch of EA games are looking pretty good and 3rd party games will get better as they come to know how to properly code for the PS3. There are more and more games that look the same or better on the PS3. Just look at Batman or some of the recent 3rd party games. I hear about the nitpicking about little things, but, that's just it, those 'little things' used to be glaring issues. You guys can continue to say that those 360 games look better, but, you can't really argue the fact that there's some change coming and those 'superior' multi-plat's are going to be far and in between somewhere down the line.

Also why would your multi-plat's be your pride and joy in your argument? It's contradictory in fact. Shouldn't the first party developers who should know the 360 hardware much better be looking better? They have dedicated resources without multi-plat distractions and should be showing off the 'beast'. They don't have to worry about making one system look as good as the next, just to let loose and make their own game look good.

You can throw out your blanket statements that the multi-plats look better and deflect, but, you have to remember the 360 also had a year head start and the almighty MS throwing money everywhere, but, I still haven't seen that extraordinary title that just blows me away.

Someone here went as far to mention that it was far and in-between for PS3 1st party games to look so great, then doesn't that make the 360 look even worse? Because if the PS3 is far and in-between, then wouldn't the 360 be next to little and almost never? Sony's 1st party games are raising the bar and even if new efforts from them look the same, they'll still look amazing. According to the comments by 360 fans here, shouldn't those roles be reversed? Shouldn't Sony 1st party be catching up to MS 1st party games?

"Why is it that if a PS3 game looks poor it is claimed to be "the fault of the developer", but if a PS3 game looks great it is because "the hardware is simply better"?"

Well there's proof that go against what your saying that's why. If the 360 system is better, then something like Batman for example looking better shouldn't EVER happen. Dead Space should look like crap on the PS3 as well etc. If you turn that around then I'll point out that shouldn't the 360 first party games look better then?

"It's down to the developers, you say, and what they do with the hardware? Then, might that also be the reason some PS3 exclusives look so great?"

Then where's the 1st party game from MS then? They've got all the advantages according to you and all the other 360 fans.

1) More powerful system 2) One more year to learn the sytem 3) Easier to develop and code for hence the better 3rd party multi-plats right (by your reasoning)? Then why stop there? Shouldn't 1st party games with those advantages look just as good if not better than all those other 3rd party studio's? Shouldn't they be on at least equal footing graphically then? Because saying anything else would be contradictory to your argument.

[Booneral]

Well, this discussion has been going on for a while actually, and everytime PS3 gets an exclusive, it resurfaces. Well the answer is simple: No.

Now look at PS2 and Xbox. Even though PS2 had much greater install base, developers did make the best out of Xbox. Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory is the best example to this, as two games had a dramatical difference. Now do you see a single multi-platform game that has this kind of difference this gen? At least one developer could have done this so far, and we have heard of games which had the main development platform as PS3, like Burnout Paradise? What was the result like again?

Well, then I say, Santa Clause is holding PS3 back guys, well until Christmas. Then it's gonna be PS3's year all over. For real this time!

[gameman]

well if you see dead space ,red alert 3,soul caliber 4 , call of duty 4 ,5, batman AA

you will see that those games look better on the PS3 why??? cause there developers knows how to develop a game not a fast lazy port and then you bots put the blame on the ps3 hardware when it's very clear that the ps3 have better hardware then the flopbox3fime52.4failrate i want to ask you silly bots why do you always close your eyes when you see something you don't like you know that U , KZ2 ,U2 looks better than anything else on the 3fixme not even gears of wars 2 could reach half of those graphics AND gameplay and yet you ignore the truth and you can't handle it like men oh i forgot i'm talking to a bunch of 9 year old kids here wanna a lollypop :

http://www5f.biglobe.ne.jp/...

[warriors786]

R.I.P

[roybatty]

But ATi > NVidia = WIN (for 360)
I like how the 360 renders colours and textures, and that's from a card carrying PS3 loyalist!

PSN spAcetoilet

[AndyA]

Opinion: Are pointless, fanboy-baiting articles holding real games journalism back?

[doa766]

like I wrote before, most developers don't have the time and resources to produce two different versions of their MP games, their budget allows them to produce one and then copy/port it

with that in mind to which console's limits are they going to stick by? to the most powerful one and then heavily modify the port so it can run on an inferior console?

also remember that port equals inferior quality

or they going to make to the fit the inferior console's limits so they can be ported to the other one without much coding?

except for Team Ninja all developers choose the second option thus leaving a lot of unused potential on the PS3

the developers just can't produce two versions of the games to use each console potential to the max, also it's not microsoft fault that their console it's holding back a most powerful console released a year later, nor is it Sony's fault for not paying MP devs to make PS3 versions look better

it's nobody's fault but that doesn't stop it from being a reality that's affecting the final quality of MP games

for example assassin's creed 2 and bioshock 2 look pretty much the same as the first parts, only some small improvements but there's not really an step forward, if they were PS3 exclusives we would see something really amazing but as it stands now we can only imagine it

killzone 2, metal gear solid 4, uncharted 1, motorstorm pacific riff, wipeout HD (and a few more) are games just as impressive as Uncharted 2 from a tech POV they just not that pretty, it's clearly not an exception

[doa766]

the 360 is holding the quality of multiplataform games back

that's a fact that you have to be blind to ignore

just like dumb kids on a classroom hold back the difficulty level of the assignments and tests, they don't really hold back the smart kids who can manage to flourish on their own

[Gun_Senshi]

Its a proven fact.

[Death2494]

Thought i'd weigh in on this particular matter. It's been proven by Infinity Ward that it's not the hardware but the developers themselves. Most developers use the 360 as it's lead console and have some other studio(SEGA) port it to ps3. Infinity Ward did both games in-house and it showed when they released. Both versions were completely identical. I'm a ps3 lover but this article is just flamebait, but thank god this is just his opinion.

[donalbane]

This article fails to give credit for the true reason Uncharted looks so nice: The talented team at Naughty Dog. The developers, not the hardware, are responsible. Only people looking to get hits on N4G would suggest otherwise. (I know, because I've done this many, many times here with such classics as "Why the Xbox 360 is still the King" etc.) It's allllll about getting hits for your little site.

Basically, if you want people to read your stuff, you have to pick a fight. "Naughty Dog is a great developer" doesn't attract nearly as many readers as "Teh Console Warz" stuff like this article.

[Caudill]

Developers are holding back the PS3, if they would stop making half ass ports of multi platform titles I don't feel articles like this would ever exist.

But no. They'll keep doing what they're doing and more games like Ghostbusters, Bayonetta, etc will be released and countless topics will pop up saying how superior the 360 version is which will in turn create more debate on why devs like Naughty Dog can pump out amazing looking titles like Uncharted 2 on PS3 but other devs can't.

[DraconicPanda]

They are too lazy and are too worried about wasting time and money to not sell even half the units they could by being lazy. The dev's and producers are to blame. The consoles are just tools to play the game.

[kbexp]

I have been saying this for ages!

[thirstycamel]

But, I think what most of you are missing, is the middleware, game engines, that these 3rd party devs are using. What's the most popular engine to date that is used by third parties? Unreal 3? Wasn't that engine developed with the pc and 360 in mind, and the PS3 as an afterthought? Sure, they may have tweaked it to run alright on the PS3, but it was never design to utilise all of it's assets. The other thing I heard about UE3 is, it,s a closed format to 3rd parties(meaning you can't optimise the engine itself). So, don't you think that in itself is what's holding back multi-plats on the PS3?

[mayberry]

ND has a small team of people, (88?) I think was mentioned, that worked on UC2! Also, they only took 18 months to make that Juggernaut of a game! (granted they already had the "engine"). So the argument that the ps3 is too hard to code for just got voided! No more discussion! 18 months for UNCHARTED 2! <on topic> Sony should insist on a ps3 optimized multiplatform games every time! With the ps3 install base as a bargaining chip, leveraging option, whatever you wanna call it, they could refuse to accept sub-par merchandise that their customers will buy( you know some will assume crap multplatform games are from sony themselves! ) Even if they refused, say, mw2 till it had UC2 graphics, or something like that! IDK!? Just tired of the clearly sub-par multis! I LOL when I read from SOME xbox fans that the difference in sony first party games and ms games are very insignificant. They are so obviously different, and have been for so long, that it's not even worth anyone's time discussing it anymore!