Opinion: Tomb Raider is Better Than Uncharted

Note: This is merely an opinion. It is not meant to be presented as definitive fact and is written so to cultivate discussion.

Despite Uncharted's critical acclaim, the Tomb Raider reboot eclipses it in many ways.

[isarai]

You're allowed your opinion, but i fail to see how anyone can come to that conclusion other than just to be edgy. I mean seriously this?

"She wasn’t a half-baked idea to attempt to rip off a famous film series; she was revived, but was given a great deal of depth and is a relatable character, and her relationship with Jonah drives the reboot. There’s no relationship in Uncharted, in my mind, that matches that intensity and realism."

Funny cause it was pretty much unanimous in agreement that Lara as a character fails to make sense especially in the shadow of the tomb raider where everyone was saying if it weren't for Jonah the game would be devoid of ANY character. Meanwhile Nathans relationships with Elena and Sully evolve and get very fleshed out by 4

You know what i was going to go through and argue all your points but really it's so awful this article kinda defeated itself with contradictions in nearly every sentence. Like if you want to like TR more than Uncharted thats fine, but if you're going to justify your opinion at least learn how to properly argue. Nearly everything you state is ironically opposite or just plain untrue, not a single good point is made here.

[DaDrunkenJester]

Besides the characters, Tomb Raider does do everything else better. And I play games for gameplay before characters and story.

[isarai]

But how though? Cause ive played the first two, and while fun, i dont see how it does "everything else better" puzzles are uninspired, tombs are petty much nonexistent till the 3rd game, gunplay is fine but hasn't really evolved since 2012 and just feels dated now, and set pieces are nowhere near as grand and well designed.

[umair_s51]

I loved uncharted games. But tomb raider is great too. I've all 4 uncharted games not lost legacy. Only played the original reboot if TR and not the 2 sequels

[AspiringProGenji]

@Isarai

Because it has weapon upgrades and you can develop the character, and there’s more exploration. That apparently makes TR gameplay “objectively better” lol.

There’s also exploration in Uncharted altough it is not its focus, and U4 expanded on that. Oh and Golden Abyss had a ton of it and it was pretty good using The Vita’s features. Drake is already a professional thief. He does not need XP points to develop. The weapons do not need upgrades either. If ND wanted it, they would have done that. And they did that with TLoU which is a more grounded game. Uncharted is suppose to be fun and accessible without RPG BS.

And there’s gameplay too but it is often dismissed by these TR fanboys for its cinematic presentation. He says” i play ganes for the gameplay” lol ridiculous. As if Uncharted doesn’t have any

[-Foxtrot]

Everything better? Lol. Really?

Story? No

Gameplay? No

Graphics? No

Animations? No

Puzzles? Some parts

Gunplay? No

[TKCMuzzer]

I would have to disagree, I couldn't even be bothered to finish the last Tomb Raider as I lost interest way to quick. To say it does 'everything else better' is a bit over the top. The other guy has a point, the tombs in the first two felt like an add on almost to justify the games title.
The difference is, I can remember great things from Uncharted 2 and fact Uncharted. When it comes to Tomb Raider, I remember better things from the originals than the reboots. Don't get me wrong, their good games, their just not memorable good games.

[HighPlayer28]

Agree big time

[OpenGL]

Except the shooting mechanics, animations, visuals...

[DarXyde]

Tomb Raider and Uncharted are actually kind of difficult to compare. One is clearly an action adventure/ platformer/ puzzle. The other emphasizes survival more. Uncharted, in my opinion, does not pretend to be anything it is not. It's a series of grand scale adventures across the globe that are greatly enhanced by the narrative. Dangling from planes, jet ski shootouts, traversing the sea, epic train shootouts. It's a thoroughbred action game through and through.

Tomb Raider places more emphasis on survival. Amusingly, I would argue that The Last of Us does survival far better... but we're not here to talk about that.

As a game, I think people can make an argument for both series, depending on what you like. For me, I like Uncharted more. Tomb Raider, in my opinion, is a kitchen sink of ideas that works, but it's difficult to know exactly what the game cares about the most: story? Stealth? Survival? Gunplay?

Also, I think the combat mechanics of Uncharted work much better. Traversal mechanics, I would understand giving Tomb Raider the nod.

People are allowed to disagree. Being a fanboy is a potential reason for saying one is better than the other, but I disagree with Tomb Raider being better.

[mikeslemonade]

That would be an incorrect opinion

[milohighclub]

The 3rd shits all over the first 2, combined. just started playing it and tbh its brilliant, couldnt help think how much it's trying to be uncharted, however so far this iteration is actually holding it's own against uc4 (gameplay wise).

[bouzebbal]

This is just another PlayStation vs xbox fanboy worthless discussion...
Follow your feeling.. TR has a good survival additions more if that's what you like. Uncharted is more of the blockbuster production with a high attention to detail..
Get what is right for you and spare us this war crap

[TheKingKratos]

I respect your opinion but it's wrong ...nothing Tomb Raider offer that is better and gameplay wise Uncharted 4 /LL is by far some of the best most fun 3rd person shooter/action games this gen ..if not the best

Score wise uncharted is on another level from both gamers and sites
So yeah i respect your opinion but i don't agree

[SamPao]

The only thing Tomb Raider does miles and miles better than uncharted is the puzzles.
but thats it

[Inzo]

If you play games for gameplay then why do you play TR? because its gameplay isnt nearly as fun as Uncharted's or as epic. The new TR is a good drinking game though, for every time Lara slips or falls down something you take a sip of beer, I promise you, you will be hammered before you finish the first act.

[FernDiggidy]

Amen bro....Gameplay is KING. People like to forget that shit now a days.

[UltraNova]

Tomb raider aint got shit on the Uncharted series. Literally every element of Uncharted is above and beyond anything in TR.

[Christopher]

Eh. Depends on a game-by-game basis. I do tend to prefer Tomb Raider gameplay, but SotTR made a ton of mistakes in that area as far as gunplay.

Overall, both are good series depending on what you like. Playing a game for characters and story are just as valid as for gameplay.

*shrugs*

[DaDrunkenJester]

Gameplay has much more variety, puzzles may be uninspired in the first two, but at least it offers variety and are still better than any in Uncharted. Open areas to explore for upgrades and crafting, a sense of progression as you acquire more items that unlock other paths, side missions, using your bow for zip lines and much more, hunting for crafting etc.

There is just so much more involved in TR gameplay wise then Uncharted. And the final one takes it to even greater heights with much more focus on tombs and fun puzzles.

[isarai]

I understand the crafting, upgrades, and general progression, it certainly has tons of that where Uncharted does not, and if thats what you prefer then yeah i totally get that. Thats the kind of argument this article SHOULD have, instead its like a bunch of 8yr olds arguing on a playground.

[AspiringProGenji]

Uncharted has Multiplayer, more refined gunplay, story, lore, it also has puzzles, open areas as well to explore in U4 and lost legacy, vehicles, etc

The only thing Uncharted doesn’t have is upgrades, hinting, and crafting, but that’s because it does not focus on Survival elements, just like TR does not focus on story and action and set pieces and lacks what uncharted has (even if they tried in the first game *cough*). It’s fine to choose one over the other if you like survival, but you are trying to hard to dismiss Uncharted and being a fanboy. So much for “loving both”

[P_Bomb]

There’s next to no enemies in Shadow to even use those upgrades on, making the majority of cosmetic at best. You don’t need to put silencers on anything when every weapon variant has a silenced version already. There’s even a silenced shotty.

You don’t need to hunt or do sides unless you’re a completionist like me. It’s just more busywork (swing from this object x times, pull down that y times, jump in water z times). On the surface it may seem deeper, but the challenges just amount to a second checklist on top of the trophy list we already have, with twice as many collectibles I’ll never read.

Yes SotTR has more systems but in the Jim Sterling sense, they don’t really do much of anything. You can make yourself invincible in Deadly Obsession just by endurance plants; you’ll never need laser scopes/whistling arrows/extra wood from pickups etc. The amount of times I could hang a guy from a tree you can count on one hand. You don’t need the “upgrade” to that skill tree. I’m speaking as a fan of both. I’ve even done Temple of Osiris and Lara Croft Go, heh.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

"Gameplay has much more variety, puzzles may be uninspired in the first two"
You dont get points for half assed attempts. Do it right or dont do it at all.

[carcarias]

@P_Bomb I agree. The lack of combat in SotTR was bizarre, especially since, as you say, they had a lot of skills and systems made for it.

My experience was similar to yours it seems; I got the tree hanging skill, thought that there were going to be lots of Batman Arkham style combat situations......but nothing happens. Not even the much talked about camouflage mud got used that many times.

I pretty much stuck with the same assault rifle the whole way through too. There's just no real need for weapon variety because the combat situations, when they do pop up, don't really call for it.

[AspiringProGenji]

THIS IS A REPOST. How quick everyone forgets?

VGCulture and Darklink constantly Wrote articles hating on U4 back in its time and triggering fanboys. Not sure why everyone is falling for this. This is just one of those articles.

Let it GO already! Uncharted had its run and it was successful while TR is still finding its identity. Guess TR fans will stay mad forever

[DaDrunkenJester]

I love both, but you're blind or just a fanboy if you think TR doesnt have the better gameplay variety and systems.

[AspiringProGenji]

It does some things better than uncharted for sure, just like Uncharted also does some things better as well. They both have their difference but To say TR has better gameplay is not fact. After all some people like to dismiss Uncharted’s Cinematic set pieces and action which is its biggest strength to say TR has better gameplay because it focuses more on exploration, which is not necessarily true. Better systems? Uncharted does not focus on RPG and upgrades and also does things differently and better. So?

It depends of what you like. I prefer Uncharted’s action and even U4 focused more on exploration And bigger environment, which did not take away from its main focus and was better for it

[MasterCornholio]

I don't think this article is a repost but the site did call Uncharted 4 and the developers frauds.

The link doesn't work but the author couldn't erase it from his submission history.

https://n4g.com/news/190703...

I rest my case.

[rainslacker]

The new Lara has less character development than the original. The first TR game way back in the day didn't have her as a deep character either, and her character growth came through 2 decades of releases.

I think TR has good game play, and generally is pretty fun to play, but the story isn't anywhere near as deep as UC after the first game. TR story depth is about as deep as UC1, but TR story depth has pretty much stayed there for all the games.

[Ceaser9857361]

Tomb raider is good but Uncharted is on a different level. It looks better.. Gameplay is alot better and the set pieces are top notch The franchise is simply outstanding.. Shadow of TR was a joke... UC4 was way before then SOTR and it was way better.

[KyRo]

It's not better than Uncharted but it also doesn't deserve the unjustified hate it gets either. The last three have been really good, solid games but Uncharted is undoubtedly better. It's nice to have TR bridging the gap now that Uncharted story has been told.

[sprinterboy]

"You're allowed your opinion, but i fail to see how anyone can come to that conclusion other than just to be edgy. I mean seriously this?"

This ^^

[BrettAwesome]

Don't worry. You only get downvoted because uncharted is a platform exclusive

[Inzo]

203 down votes? wow the bots have come out to play.

[kneon]

I read that quote and my first thought was "who's Jonah?". So much for memorable characters.

[Rude-ro]

Phantom disagree.. I love when they pop up randomly. 😂
As in, durp durp no one will notice,

The only fact you have to look at is the re-booted series dropped in sales through the 3 iterations, not climb.
The attachment to the series went down.
The games had to go on sale weeks after release to get traction.

This is what tells you the true opinion.
The game cookies uncharted.. and uncharted was born from the original versions of tomb raider.

[Zeref]

not gonna lie, Tomb Raider does have better gameplay. There's a lot more to do.

[Spurg]

I'll say that Tomb Raider defo has better gameplay and design than Uncharted.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Uncharted's strength has always been story telling, set pieces and brilliantly mixing gameplay, cinematics and set pieces. I found the new Tomb Raider trilogy to have better stealth and adventure elements than Uncharted. However, I think Uncharted's gunplay is a bit better than Tomb Raider's. There were times in Shadow of the Tomb Raider that I felt almost like the predator; and the game would have been even more engaging if it was better paced with a stronger story.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

@nabewiju

I wouldn't call the two series the same. The reboot trilogy of Tomb Raider has a much stronger emphasis on adventure, crafting, exploration and light RPG elements than the Uncharted series.

[Born2Game83]

Same. I like both series. So its a win win for me.

[spicelicka]

Uncharted 4 really improved the gameplay, but before that the shooting mechanics were terrible, specially in UC2. The simple fact that Tomb Raider is M rated makes it much more fun to kill enemies, as they react better to getting shot. Uncharted substitutes that with dust coming out of them, it just doesn't feel realistic.

Overall uncharted is better because it's just amazing in so many other ways, but not in the gunplay department.

[BLizardXD]

one story is about a female explorer the other is about a male explorer. take your pick.

[nabewiju]

at the end of the day they're all doing the same things. depends on which lead character you find more appealing.

[Kribwalker]

agreed. I thoroughly enjoyed the whole tomb raider reboot trilogy. Uncharted I never played until it was on ps4 with the collection, but the first one felt so rough, i couldn’t get into it. I took my time and finished it and started part 2 but really struggled to get into it because of the gameplay. I even bought part 4 when it was on sale, but haven’t gone back to part 2 to finish it yet

[-Foxtrot]

It depends what Tomb Raider you are talking about

The older games, I can see how a debate can be formed although they are quite different if you look into it more however the new reboot trilogy are not on the same level as Uncharted

The new Lara is awful and horribly developed.

[isarai]

Exactly, the first in the new trilogy was a great 1st step, but it just never went anywhere after that and they really did bare minimal to add to each iteration.

[Hardiman]

Agree loved the 1st reboot but Rise and Shadow, especially Shadow were a chore for me and I can't even tell you what the narrative was in those games.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I only like the new Tomb Raider games though. I played the original back in the 90's but I could never get into it.

[Kribwalker]

me too. I remember playing tomb raider 2 way back when and was like “this is what the hype is about?” and couldn’t enjoy it. The new ones tho, i thought they were a blast to play

[Tross]

Dude, if you posted this when Uncharted was taking the gaming scene by storm, you would have been crucified by the community. As it stands, you’ll be getting a polite disagreement from me as I still think the Uncharted series updated and refined the better aspects of the Tomb Raider series up to that point, and even with the reboots, I still think it’s the better series from a mechanical and narrative standpoint. But hey, you’re sure as heck entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine.

[Silly gameAr]

Hopefully, people will just read the headline, laugh and move on. I don't think that will happen though, and I think that's what the author is counting on.

[neutralgamer1992]

Without Indiana Jones and tomb raider I don't think there would be uncharted but without the success and quality of uncharted I doubt square would bring back TR

Uncharted series is on another level

[rainslacker]

UC tries to be like Indiana Jones in game form. TR tries to be like UC, but really failed to capture the magic that ND did with UC.

TR is a generally fun game. I didn't dislike them overall, but I found their stories to be really weak. This wouldn't be so much a problem if the dev didn't make such a big deal about how much they wanted the story to be good, and then tried to pass it off as Lara being a strong female character due to the sudden influx of gender politics in gaming. It failed to have a good story, and a strong female character.

[neutralgamer1992]

Nd are the difference

[Imalwaysright]

The hell are you talking about? TR was and has always been heavily inspired by Indiana Jones. TR has been Indiana Jones in game form since 1996 and concept wise there aren't many differences between TR and Uncharted the main differences being Uncharted's heavier focus on action, character development and storytelling. Uncharted also had gameplay mechanics that fit the standards of a new generation but TR would have eventually introduced them with or without Uncharted as that was the direction the whole industry went in namely the modern cover/shooting mechanic courtesy of Gears of War and the over the shoulder view and aiming system that you see in pretty much every third person game with shooting mechanics courtesy of RE4.

[rainslacker]

TR wasn't much of a adventure with antagonist until later in the series. You were basically just exploring tombs, with some connection to either something mystical, or historical. UC was more like IJ in the fact that there was more mystical connections to ancient legends being true.

I never thought of IJ when playing TR, and I probably wouldn't have with UC either, except the dev specifically cited IJ as an inspiration.

There was no reason for TR to actually follow UC design elements. there was no reason for them to start using the set pieces. The platforming was pretty much what UC did. The gun play didn't have to pretty much mimic UC, because the original TR didn't. TR takes more from UC in it's reboot, than UC takes from the original TR. Even if TR was inspired heavily by IJ, there is no reason to deny the rest. The entire industry didn't go in the direction of the cover shooter. Not all TPS were cover shooters. In fact, most of them weren't.

That's what the hell I'm talking about.

[Imalwaysright]

"TR wasn't much of a adventure with antagonist until later in the series" Natla says hi.

"The platforming" TR Legends says hi.

"TR to actually follow UC design elements." Such as?

"there was no reason for them to start using the set pieces." TR had setpieces well before Uncharted ever existed. Not as over the top but it had them.

"The platforming was pretty much what UC did" Bullshit.

" The gun play didn't have to pretty much mimic UC" Uncharted? Don't you mean Gears of War and RE4?

"The entire industry didn't go in the direction of the cover shooter" Max Payne, Mass Effect, Sleeping Dogs, Hitman, GTA, Vanquish, RE6, RDR, Splinter Cell, The Division, The Order, Dead Space 2, Watchdogs... all have cover shooting mechanics and similar aiming systems. Gears and RE4 are some of the most influential games of all time for a reason. Why does Uncharted get to be inspired by them but TR doesn't?

[Butters360]

It's funny how long time Tomb Raider fans don't like the new Lara and are severely disappointed in CD's direction of the trilogy. Yet, they love the first game in the new Trilogy.

[AnubisG]

I'm a long time Tomb Raider fan. The new trilogy was ok but I don't think the character has anything to do with the original Lara Croft for example and I love the old TR games and I'm just ok with these new ones. Not as crazy about them as I was with the originals in the 90's. Still, my favorite TR game is Tomb Raider III Adventures of Lara Croft from 1998.

[Nacho_Z]

I would concede that it wouldn't hurt if Uncharted had a little more straightforward traditional gameplay like timing and aligning jumps because it does make that stuff a bit easy but it does so much else so well.

Fair enough if you don't like them but those characters and the journey they've been on is up there with the best in gaming for me. Love those guys, written and acted to perfection. The puzzles are always fun and satisfying to solve and because of the top quality world building they always feel natural to the environment.

Gun play is solid and because of the series' flair for cinematic moments usually exhilarating. Calling them wannabe films is doing them a disservice because the day to day gameplay is solid and fun.

[J-DARKnes]

In my opinion Tomb raider reboot tried to be too much like uncharted... I played the first one and couldn't get through raise of the tomb raider, it's not a bad game but It felt like it was trying to hard to be uncharted and it was not doing great at it.. my opinion though.

[GtPawnSacrifices]

They have a similar premise, but that’s it.
TR (the newer ones) are cemi-open word whereas Uncharted is linear & story driven.
Saying that I don’t think you can compare the 2 side by side.
However having played them all. Uncharted 4 stands out heads & shoulders above the others.

[DaDrunkenJester]

For me UC4 was the weakest. I honestly found myself very bored, the story was kind of weak with some forced in elements, and the semi open areas just felt like filler.

[MasterCornholio]

I wouldn't say that it's written to cultivate discussion. More like this article was made to attract people to your site. We already seen the type of material you produce and we know why you choose topics that are pretty controversial.

As for if TombRaider is better than Uncharted from my experience the older Tomb Raider games were better while the newer ones took a lot of inspiration from Uncharted. I personally enjoyed Uncharted more than TombRaider and in general the Uncharted games are more critically acclaimed than the newer Tomb Raider gamer.

There's nothing wrong with writing an opinion but be honest as to why you wrote in the first place along with all the other articles designed to generate clicks for your site.

Edit: Mind you there's always an option to create a user generated blog on this site if your only goal was to generate discussion on N4G.

[rainslacker]

When the story segments kicked in with UC, I was excited to see what would happen. Nathan would say something, sometimes quippy, sometimes serious, sometimes building character, so on and so forth. It pushed the story forward, and generally was pretty good. The set pieces had action, and the game play implemented in each iteration just kept improving. Hell, in UC4, some of the set pieces you wouldn't even recognize as a QTE style set piece because the game play elements were so well ingrained into them that it all seemed so fluid. The clock tower followed by the chase along the road and bridge were an absolutely stunning display of set piece design.

TR, whenever the story segments came up, they just weren't that interesting. Half of them had Lara being all melancholy or pessimistic, or other times acting like a bad ass which was contrary to her overall character which whined about everything. It was like watching a teen drama version of tomb raider, where she's nothing but a drama queen. When Nathan had doubt about himself, it made sense to the story surrounding it. Overcoming that doubt is what made the story interesting. When Lara had doubt, it was just another day ending in "Y". She overcame said doubt in the most shallow of ways, and in the end, still ended up with unresolved conflict. The whole trilogy was pointless from a story perspective, while each UC game could be taken as it's own story, and be just as good as all the others....with the first being more shallow. Set pieces in TR are kind of pedestrian compared to other games, even outside of UC. Gears 1 had better set pieces IMO, and TR plays more like Dragon's Lair, where failing to do the required action meant death, rinse, and repeat.

TR has great game play. It is a fun game overall, and certainly worth a play through. But, outside of having more game play mechanics, it doesn't do anything better than UC for what shared mechanics they have. The graphics aren't as good, although some pc versions have great graphics if you have the proper hardware. The animations are significantly better in UC. Music is better in UC. Everything is just more fluid in UC, and shows that ND is a master at their craft. TR is a good game from a quality dev, which seems to struggle to really know where it wants to go, or what it wants to achieve, even though the devs like to talk about all the things they've achieved with the game.

[LoveSpuds]

@Rainslacker

Couldn't have said it any better squire.

It sounds like I liked the rebooted Tomb Raider trilogy more than most, I really enjoyed those games, but they were still some way behind the Uncharted series in my opinion. Uncharted games are easily amongst the best games I have played in respect of characters and story, there are very few games that had me hanging on every plot twist and cut scene.

[NicSage]

BURN THE WITCH!

[Automatic79]

I enjoyed Rise of Tomb Raider and Shadow of Tomb Raider more than I did Uncharted 4 and Uncharted Lost legacy. This is coming from someone who loves Uncharted 1, 2, 3 and bought PS4 for Uncharted 4.

Gameplay on Tomb Raider was much more grounded.

[isarai]

SEE! thats a valid argument, you like more grounded gameplay? Makes sense!

This article, doesn't make any sense if you actually read it.

[DaDrunkenJester]

Grounded gameplay, but it also offered very video gamey systems like upgrades, amd progression unlocks, and skills, and branching paths etc. That is what puts it over Uncharted for me.

But no doubt UC has the better characters and character driven story.

[rainslacker]

What do you mean by grounded game play?

I assume that means realistic?

If so, then yeah, I can see why you might prefer TR. But UC is supposed to be a bit over the top, particularly in the cut scenes. It's the equivalent to a summer action flick, except the story isn't as shallow.

I don't know if that really qualifies as making one game better than the other, as they're trying to achieve different things.

[DaDrunkenJester]

Yeah I'm not 100% on grounded gameplay. The action set peices are still over the top, she still does Death defying moves, she takes multiple wounds and keeps going, she is making in the field upgrades to weapons etc.

Grounded isnt really a reason I'd use haha

[isarai]

Man this place is really gaining a salty anti-sony brigade lately. Seems like anything sony related gets dislike bombed for any comments pro-Sony. Lol this is really turning into a toxic site in general, been thinking of dropping this site lately

[Kiwi66]

So you are going to ignore what happens to the comments of people who say anything positive about xbox/nintendo as their comments get so many dislikes compared to the comments of the positive ps comments

[isarai]

Didnt say i would, didnt say there arent haters on all sides, of course it exists towards every platform, But look i got 13 dislikes on my first comment in less than a minute lol, if that aint some hatred i dont know what is. Like i said, this whole site is getting toxic, in every direction. Seems like these days you're only allowed to like 3rd party multiplatform games here now, anything else just gets disagreed to hell and back with no real discussion.

[The Wood]

good point about the multiplat angle.. How can people claim any game is better unless they have access to the platforms the games are on. I cant take peoples opinions seriously if they haven't played both. Both games are good in unique in their own right sharing their indiana jones inspiration so its down to what you prefer. I've not played all of the new TR's but I will get around to it before I make a judgement.... I bet this though.... xbox owners prefer TR and I know some genuinely either feel that way or have played both but some will ALWAYS be on their 'anything but the opps' mentality. You can fill in the gaps on that one.

@Kiwi..... yeah the hate is across the board. Everyone gets it

[ShadowWolf712]

There's been some very bot-like activity in comment voting as of late

[isarai]

Thats what im saying, it just gets flooded suddenly in like a 10 sec span, its weird.

[Kiwi66]

Maybe its because people just don't agree with what you said , which happens to everyone but to start your comment with this site being anti sony doesn't help your cause so just enjoy the game you like

[isarai]

Didnt say this site is anti sony, im saying theres certainly a rise in anti sony as of late, but really this whole site is pretty much anti everything except multiplatform games lately. And if they disagree thats fine, but wheres the discussion? How else do you interpret getting 13 dislikes in a matter of seconds other just malice? This site has just turned into a bunch of barking rabbid dogs in the last year or so, its just not an enjoyable place to converse anymore.

EDIT: See! Look at that, i literally hit refresh less than a second after hitting the post button for this comment and somehow already got a dislike, not even enough time to read the comment lol

[DaDrunkenJester]

They have had a rough year with game releases.

[gtxgamer2]

First two games were good, third one was eh. My opinion is a little bias because I love uncharted

[Hardiman]

Opinion: Uncharted is better than the Tomb Raider series! More than welcome to your opinion and I'll admit I put the first Tomb Raider reboot above Uncharted 3. That said 1,2,4 and even Lost Legacy did more for me than TR.

That said Rise and Shadow just weren't as good to me especially Shadow because I really didn't like Lara too much as a protagonist in that game.

[SolidGamerX]

Well you got one thing right, that is an opinion.

[jznrpg]

opinion: not even close . The first game was great , but the next 2 were blah to me. Of the reboots that is

[chiefJohn117]

How? What did the first do that the other 2 didn't do? All 3 are nearly identical to each other. Each sequel simply added a few more gameplay elements

[isarai]

Thats the problem, the 1st was a good base, and it was to kickstart the rise of this ordinary enthusiast into the legendary Tomb Raider. And even in that game you got to see that progression play out wonderfully. Then they pretty much halted that progression in the next two and she never really even came close to the hights of the "Tomb Raider" the series kept promising she was "Becoming", instead they kept taking half steps with each iteration and by the end of the trilogy all we're left with is one great start and 2 forgettable sequels that still didnt deliver on the promise/tagline touted over 3 games.

[chiefJohn117]

Wait y'all pressed about character development? -_- anyway all I know gameplay got better with each sequel it at the least equal to the previous and that's what's most important. So if you liked the first and hated the rest I call BS. You ppl sound ridiculous discrediting the sequels like they're bad all cause they did little to progress the character forward. So I side with author GAMEPLAY> STORY

[jznrpg]

What Isarai said , spot on

[P_Bomb]

I’m in the minority in that I actually preferred Shadow to Rise. I love tropical/jungle settings and Shadow’s gorgeous with some serious MGS3 vibes at times.

I liked the hub worlds of Kuwaq, Paititi and San Juan more than the frozen death of Siberia and the smaller Geothermal valley. Even if the repetitive tribal soundtrack drove me nuts after a few hours. Collectibles were spread out better. Puzzles and DLC were more classic with less score attack time attack padding. A smoother 60fps mode. Good deal.

[chiefJohn117]

Wtf does that have to do with actual gameplay? Y'all care more about character progression than gameplay?

[masterfox]

yeah sure.

[CP_Company]

this site does m$ bidding for quite some time now.

oh, and Tomb Raider's best game scored the same as Uncharted worst.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Type of articles not needed on N4G.

Their play style and approach are different. One is more Indiana Jones style movie. The other is more collecting items and more videogame like. What's interesting is that Tomb Raider has become more like Uncharted than Uncharted has become like Tomb Raider. One came first. But the first one is trying more to be like the second. One has fallen off and has been rebooted and rebooted. The other is at the top of their game on each entry.

Both are on PlayStation. And Tomb Raider sells better on PlayStation. So it doesn't matter really anyway. Why even compare unless you're looking for clicks.

[VsAssassin]

I haven't played the last two rebooted TR games, so I cannot really say how good the series is from a gameplay standpoint. That said, I didn't like the "become the tomb raider" hook across three games. As for Uncharted, sure, it might not have the openness of the rebooted TR, but the adventures therein are thrilling and edge-of-your-seat in quality. The characters in the UC series are also so much more likeable than the TR reboot. I also disagree that there is no relationship between characters in the Uncharted universe. Sully, Elena, and Drake have evolved relationships with nuances in all four main titles.

[rainslacker]

If you played the first, then you know what to expect of the other two. The series didn't go anywhere. all three were fun enough, but about the only growth was that they added some game play elements in each game, and the story became more stupid each time.

[Sm00thNinja]

Stop

[XtaZ]

Tomb Raider is easily better than UC 1-3 in every aspect, but not better than UC4.

[jznrpg]

Uncharted 2 is the best out of all of them imo

[WillyC009]

Entitled to your opinion but boy is it ever wrong in my opinion. Just wow haha.

[waverider]

Lol, even Uncharted isnt good enough. Damn the trolling is reaching the moon. Now my opinion. Nathan Drake is one of the biggest action hero of videogames and is miles away in every single aspect from tomb raider. Not even close. Gameplay, lol, fun factor, lol, story behind, lol. The gap between both franchises is colossal. While TB is just another game, with Uncharted we get a game that become the standard to beat in almost every single category. I play tomb raider since the big boob version and Uncharted is just at another level.

[porkChop]

I don't think the games are similar enough to say one is better or worse. Sure, each series is essentially Indiana Jones searching for treasure. But that's just on the surface. How each game plays and works is entirely different. The structure of each series isn't even really comparable. You could say one is more fun than the other, sure. But better? Eh, apples and oranges and all that.

[Elda]

Opinions opinions everyone has one. Imo I like both games but Uncharted has the edge far as graphics,better story & acting. Far as gameplay to me they're both enjoyable.

[smolinsk]

Tomb raider is super boring, especially the last one, so no its absolutely not the better game...

[jmtstan]

for me, comparing latest tomb raider franchise, tomb raider & rise of tomb raider is side by side with Uncharted 2 & 3.... but the shadow of tomb raider just major let down for me, i mean gameplay wise, felt restricted. While I'm a TR fan before uncharted came out, I prefer the characters of uncharted. I mean who doesn't love Elena & Nate chemistry... or Chloe & Sully and Cutter? I hope they carry on the TR franchise, not rebooting it.

[LoveSpuds]

Glad to see some love for Cutter, I'd love to have seen him make an appearance in the fourth game.

[NeoGamer232]

To me, the games are just better in a different way. I love them both.

If you just want a straight up action-adventure uncharted is your game. If you want a RPG-action adventure Tomb Raider is more your game.

[P_Bomb]

This is pretty much as bait as it gets. A veiled attempt to versus Uncharted 4 with Shadow of the Tomb Raider but with no actual detail (the only character even mentioned is Jonah) and so little comparative discussion (what about the shared use of religions like Christianity; penitent thief vs way of the cross), you could literally call the article “my couch is better than Uncharted” and get the same result.

I’ll give one example before moving on. “You’ll be climbing walls for hours” in UC4. Having just got my 100% in SotTR on Deadly Obsession (including all seven DLCs, yes SEVEN), I can tell you with the utmost of assurity and photo mode lol, that is literally the VAST majority of the gameplay there as well. Rope and craggy rock. Just more of it. A lot more. With glitchier hit detection. Google some cheevo/trophy forums about Deadly Obsession and the platforming vs checkpoint ratio of rage.

Other than that, here’s the Uncharted paraphrase to save you a click.

“...hollow to me; a film trying to masquerade as a video game with mediocre gameplay and poorly developed characters. Abundantly apparent how overrated. The puzzles are poor, the characters are boring, the story is like a soap opera, and the gameplay feels rudimentary. Tries too hard and it doesn’t work. The dynamic doesn’t make sense, soap-opera esque. Nathan Drake is obviously the weak point in the cast and is one of the most overrated characters in gaming history, half-baked idea to attempt to rip off a famous film series. There’s no relationship in Uncharted that matches that intensity and realism (of Jonah). Barely a videogame, masquerades as a video game; it merely tries to mimic, not innovate. completely linear, the gunplay feels rudimentary and you’ll be climbing walls for hours. The puzzles are mediocre at best and the mythology isn’t incredibly interesting, lacks the creativity and innovation (of SotTR). Wants to be a film but tries to be a video game at the same time and fails at both. Hollow, empty game, unnecessarily straightforward, Shadow of the Tomb Raider should’ve been considered for Game of the Year 2018.”

Et tu Squeenix Montreal? Oh. Crystal Dynamics sat this one out, in the interest of discussion between Naughty Dog vs Crystal Dynamics and all that jazz.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

They are both great game series, each with it's own flavor.

[bluebenjamin]

I was just playing tomb raider 2 yesterday and man I miss how the level design use to be we will probably never have it like that again,the design you could only get away with during that gen.The exploration felt more epic back than she had boats snowmobiles and etc miss the ole school gaming days its a different feeling foreal

[ziggurcat]

Opinion: No.

[bluebenjamin]

If you haven’t played tomb raider 2 Yet do it! Bet you wont pass the first level on the same day without using a strategy guide or the internet!Come see why naught dog called their very own Nathan Drake Dude Raider, its not an insult they are gamers too they must of played tomb raider too ✌️

[PCgamer98]

I love both but gameplaywise I can agree that tr has more meat compared to uncharted but also I can say that lost legacy feels like the step in the right direction if they're going to continue the series.

[Chexs1990]

Uncharted has better Story and characters.
Tomb Raider has better gameplay and tension.

This is just my opinion though, I like both franchises a lot, but there were definitely more times where I "zoned out" during Uncharted, than there were with Tomb Raider.

[carcarias]

I prefer the TR games (not the 3rd) but only because I prefer the gameplay in 1&2 compared to the Uncharted series. Uncharted 2 was fantastic though.

However, I'd give Uncharted the edge in pretty much all other areas but they're not as important to me in a game like this. Yeah, an unpopular opinion, no doubt, but there you go.

[HighPlayer28]

I always thought tomb raider series was better as well especially the gameplay.

[darkside4125]

I agree i think uncharted is shit

[rainslacker]

Ummm...opinion maybe, but there are many technical and objective reasons why this person's opinion is wrong.

[darkside4125]

Too me the game is far better then uncharted because the gameplay on tomb raider is far better i played about 30 mins of each uncharted and turned it off terrible games

[UhOh]

My G** is the game play endless dumb hordes of stupid repetitiveness. If only there were more specialized soldiers or something. The more precise gunplay and being superior in almost every area just can't overcome how many foot soldiers you have to battle.

[Petebloodyonion]

I really loved the 1st Tomb Raider reboot game ( liked Rise but the magic of novelty was gone) And I find that is on par with the quality of an Uncharted game.
But the topic isn't about being on par but better.
Sure there are things that I Iiked better in Tomb Raiders compared to Uncharted (The hunting and scavenging parts, the metroidvania design) but there's the perfect mix of ingredients in Uncharted2 that make this game legendary (and the best game on ps3). The story is great, the comedy is great, You do want to kick Harry Flynn and you really want to see what's the deal about Chloe's @$$.
The locations are epics and the feeling of exploration is great (and unlike the 1st enemies don't find a hidden door to appear before you at the treasure location).

And the multiplayer is quite ok.

In the end, I would recommend Tomb Raiders to anyone who liked Uncharted it's really a great series worthy of the name Tomb Raider but there's a reason why it's now in the shadow of Uncharted (see what I did there :))

[ShadowWolf712]

If I had to rank all the games...

Uncharted 4
Uncharted 2
Tomb Raider
Uncharted Golden Abyss
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Uncharted 3
Uncharted 1
Shadow of the Tomb Raider.

There first two games were genuinely great, and the then third entry just dropped the ball in terms of narrative, characterization, and gameplay.

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

I have played both...For me Uncharted story is better,but everything else in a game goes to Tomb Raider..

[m2stech]

Shadow of TR was trash

[leoms]

One of them is a multiplat with sales that falls short to an exclusive.

[yoshatabi]

I like tomb raider. But their stories are always shit, horrible voice acting and robotic animations. Lost interest in the game real quick for those reasons

[FanboySpotter]

tomb raider world is just so much more interesting(imo) and I played uncharted 2 - 4(3 is my #1 favorite). Being able to upgrade your bow or other weapons, skills, just the overall gameplay is much better. also 60fps.

[OpenGL]

I've own all 3 new Tomb Raiders and I disagree.

[JCRTheKing]

Tomb Raider wins in gameplay but everything else like story, characters, and world uncharted wins.

[WiiU-Dude]

I think Tomb Raider is much more smooth in integrating the story sequences in with the action. Uncharted seems a bit more sectioned. There are several other things Tomb Raider does a little better, BUT having said that...I adore Uncharted more. It is that simple. I love Tomb Raider, but the story and heart that comes with Uncharted especially Uncharted 4 is so much more compelling. I am truly sad that Uncharted is over.

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

Please ban this garbage click bait site from here

[kayoss]

insert zach galifianakis's laugh here.

[WillyC009]

Sure is a concerted effort to try and downplay and criticize Sony franchises on here these days. Must be gearing up hard for the new generation.

Don’t worry, Microsoft is gonna lose it regardless. But keep up the good work guys!

[good_sk8er]

Nah the Uncharted games are amazing. I couldn't even finish RotTR.

[lio_convoy]

The flu is better than SARS. A paper cut is better than getting an arm ripped off. Peeing is better than your bladder exploding.

Didn't click through.

[ufo8mycat]

Outside of the first Uncharted sure, but the others, especially Uncharted 2 and 4? Er NO. Anyone who has any taste in games can see this, obviously gaming journalist aren't gamers, so stop writing these stupid articles, for the sake of writing articles. Talk about untalented gaming journalism with nothing smart to write about. Friggen hack

[UniqueGuy91]

Thanks for the laughs!

[gammaray13]

HAHAHAHAHA what a good troll post

[audiocafe]

Tomb Raider isn't a better overall game imo but I think the gunplay and the combat options are better and more engaging than the Uncharted games.

[THC CELL]

Lame, plus uncharted 2 train level better than every tomb raider out

[ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

I'll say that if you compare Uncharted 1 vs Tomb Raider reboot 1, sure TR1 is better. But that stops there. Uncharted 2, 3 and 4 are epic follow-ups whereas TR 2 and 3 are more of the same with almost no story continuation. The TR franchise got really lazy and unimpressive. That's also why I have zero hype about the Avengers game, more of those stone face characters Crystal Dynamics seems to like to give us.

[chiefJohn117]

Agreed UC has a better story but TR has better gameplay and any real gamer knows gameplay>story. Otherwise I'd read a book instead of turning on my console.

[zakir255]

Like the Article Peoples are arguing like a 7years old child in the comment section.
Its up to you guys either you like Uncharted or Tomb Raider or not.

[bluefox755]

TR hasn't even been that good for a long time, much less in the same league as uncharted

[Latex74]

Ive played every tome raider and every uncharted game and i must say the first two tome raider games were far more enjoyable than all the uncharted games put together. But im old and game play wins over everything

[ghostrider32]

Pitfall is better than both of them.

[Starman69]

Rise of the tomb raider is easily on par, and possibly better in some parts. Shadow of the tomb raider was crap!! 🤣

[--bienio--]

Agree

[silenthillstrangler]

Yeah nah.

[Rockstar]

...lol

[X-23]

All I can say is that there is a reason this isn't a popular opinion and it's got very little to do with people enjoying Nathan Drake over Lara Croft, in fact I was gaming back when OG Lara Croft was introduced to us on the gaming scene and have enjoyed her ever since.
The Tomb Raider Reboot imo is one of the best video game reboots of all time, I felt strongly for the reintroduction of Tomb Raider in the way they where going with it, however each game after that failed to deliver, it seemed less about having Lara evolve and more about stretching out the semi-robust nature of the game, all the while Lara seems to never really become that "Tomb Raider" this essential bad ass that we are waiting to see now she is just a more efficient killer or something along those lines.

I mean I'm not against that kind of thing, but she isn't very charming, she isn't all that sophisticated she seems to not enjoy any aspects of her life, she doesn't seem developed as a character but instead it seems like her surroundings are changing and she is just going with the flow of whats being presented she never seems in control of her situation and has no real sense of humor or real wit or adventurous nature about her, Nathan Drake has all these things and has evolved from past experiences and matured as a character through engagements with his friends and as a result of his adventures.

I'll say it again, I like Lara and had high hopes for her after the Tomb Raider Reboot, but I feel like they just dropped the ball with her after that. Hell I am looking at her objectively in comparison of not just Drake but also as her former self as well and don't even get me started on the comic book rendition...I mean come on just look at the thumbnail for the article piece, is all that really necessary?? I mean its Lara Croft, not like Turok or Rambo or something.

Uncharted does Tomb Raider, better than Tomb Raider did it back in the day, while the more modern Tomb Raider has become ... well ... more Modern. Which isn't exactly a bad thing. Both franchises are good regardless though, and its a shame one can't mention or do a cross over with the other, that would have been fun.

[Father__Merrin]

Sorry to put a dampener on things.... But both uncharted and tomb raider are available on PlayStation so both can be enjoyed....

[TheHan]

Personally I’ve always loved the tomb Raider franchise, not as big of a fan of uncharted. Though it’s a good series just wasn’t my favorite.

[BrettAwesome]

Lara runs like a 65 year old woman who really needs to go to the bathroom. Like she's running while wearing crocs or something

[windblowsagain]

Everyone has their opinion.

Tomb-Raider.

I have played Every Tomb-Raider game. The originals were the best for me and every time I booted up my PS1 and played those games they gave me a sense of amazement. Obviously they did the same for other people as well, because TR was massive and movies were made because of the excitement surrounding the games and character. Puzzles were great and It was about Tombs and exploration the best it could be back in the day.

Time passed and the wonder started to fade, things were changed and the some of the later titles were not good enough. I'll admit the latter games have improved graphically but the crafting does not add much for me. seems more tacked on and I don't find myself caring about Jonah that much, but they are still decent games.

Uncharted.

Booting up Uncharted for the first time and seeing what it was all about gave me the same sense of wonder that the original TR games did. As soon as you start playing your thrust into a relationship with an older man who is like a father figure and mentor and you just get it, Elena as a character is charming and although she's kind, she stands up for herself and over the next installments there relationships mature and the pacing is PERFECT.
The graphics in all games were amazing and nobody can tell me the water in the original when you get his trousers or as Americans say pants wet:) did not blow your mind at the time. The puzzles are decent but not overly hard, but the shooting and cover mechanics added with the set pieces and feeling of having your back against the wall and being a hero comes across so effortlessly.

As with all games, people will love what they love.

Both games have provided that for me in one place or another.

But as it stands now. I prefer the new Uncharted series over the newer Tomb-raider games but i'm always interested in what the future holds for both.

[agnosticgamer]

Good thing this is an opinion piece. The first 2 Tomb Raider Reboots were very well executed... The Shadow of the Tomb Raider... Crap... and I don't think any of the 3 was better than any of the games in the uncharted series.

But, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[FanboysKiller]

Same here.

[Kosic]

I used to play the classic tomb raider when I was younger. They were decent as they changed the way the gaming world thought about 3d plarformers.

But after tr3 I lost all interest. I tried the reboot series and the first game was boring, and think iZt's the 2nd (rise of the tomb raider) I managed to complete but didn't enjoy my experience.

For Uncharted I played 1,2 and 4. I skipped 3 as the kid sections bored me. But the story and dialogue through Uncharted was more to my liking. Especially the humourous character drake is. In 4, it was a laugh throughout.

I much prefer UC series over the repeated scream that was tomb raider.

[GrmpyolGamer]

Overall i agree

[GamingSinceForever]

The first two on PSOne were better games than Uncharted due to variety.
However, the last 3 releases tried to be like Uncharted and failed.

[Xalivari]

im sorry but this statement is just simply not true. not even clicking the link.

[Bluemaster77]

Tomb Raider has superior gameplay systems and mechanics. Uncharted is superior from a polish, writing and technical presentation perspective.

[T2X]

This again?? Usually this article doesn't come out until a new game is releasing. I liked both. But I liked UC a bit more.

[bangoskank]

Both of these franchises are favorites of mine but I may have to go with Tomb Raider on this one. There's just a greater sense of wonder in exploring vast tombs and caverns. Crafting, gunplay, and climbing also feel better. Like others are saying:
Gameplay: Tomb Raider
Story and Characters: Uncharted

Don't know about anyone else the last boss fight in Uncharted 4 kind of left me feeling bitter about the series.

[CrustifiedDibbs]

i don't agree, but they aren't as far apart as some on this site would like you to believe.

[Exvalos]

Other then story I've been saying this for a long time Tomb raider is a better game. Tomb raider has skill trees, weapon upgrades, side missions and content, with uncharted your basically just there for the ride, it's like playing an Indiana Jones movie. While both are fantastic series, I choose Tomb Raider all day.

[Donnie81]

Rise of the tomb raider is definitely better than any uncharted game. That’s not even a knock on uncharted. Rise of the tomb raider is just exceptional

[NiteX]

Crazy how someone could have such a bad opinion. The newer Tomb Raider games are abosulute shite compared to any Uncharted game. Even the least liked Uncharted 3 blows all of them away combined.

[Indigon]

Wrong.

[StormLegend]

I gotta disagree with that one. Besides the 1 and 3 The uncharted series is miles better.

[gold_drake]

i dunno.
i enjoyed the tomb raider ps3 game where we experienced her journey becoming all badass, but we dont need that to be a plot point all the time.
uncharted on the other hand had a great sense of humour and story throughout the series.
both are great gameplay wise. imo.

[Saijahn]

I have to agree. The original is usually better than the copycat. Uncharted is still pretty great though.

[MasterCornholio]

Are you talking about Old Tomb Raider VS Uncharted or New TombRaider VS Uncharted?

Because it could be argued that the new TombRaider borrowed alot from Uncharted and that Uncharted borrowed alot from the old TombRaider games.

Confusing isn't it?

[Realms]

My opinion of your opinion is that this topic has been covered to death. Both games are good but I don't care about the bad excuse of a story line TR has and if we are being fair that has to equate into the comparison in a big way. You can't just praise TR for it's game play and then excuse their bad character development. They managed to make me not care about Lara Croft with their stupid, ridicules and just plain bad story telling.

They both have room for improvement so this article is a pointless and cheap way to get people rile up over a topic that has already been covered.

[FernDiggidy]

Lot of butthurt in the comments.

[Magog]

No, tho.

[Rambokind]

Opinion: they're both overrated franchises

[VTKC]

Yes putting out the NOTE by being captain obvious will exonerate immunity to lambasting your opinion does it? You forgot to include a Disclaimer: Opinions are like A-holes. Everyones got one and nobody likes them.

[Einhander1971]

Love em both, no argument really.

[Lord_Sloth]

"There’s no relationship in Uncharted, in my mind, that matches that intensity and realism"

Nathan and Elena share some of the greatest scenes in gaming together, especially at the beginning of U4. It's 1 of the most realistic and believable scenes I've come across in gaming and it's as simple as him trying to beat her high score in Crash Bandicoot. Literally everything is perfect. The animation is spot on, the expressions are amazing, the voice acting is great, and it's a very believable and real moment.

[Kaedro]

It's your opinion so I'm completely fine with it. I like Tomb Raider, but I consider Uncharted to be much better.

[MadLad]

I always thought so. Uncharted does a couple things better here and there but, as much as I liked Uncharted, I more enjoyed the Tomb Raider reboot.

*shrug* opinions.

[Da12RespectA]

Tomb Raider easy

[Larrysweet]

Lmao not even close but opinion is just that although click bait

[Mr Marvel]

Hahaha!... no.
Nice troll, but Tomb Raider isn’t even in the same league as a Naughty Dog game.

[mafiahajeri]

Buwhahahahahahaha

[Rekkr]

Uh no!

[C-H-E-F]

Opinion, I'm glad that's the first word in the article so I can have my opinion and not waste my time reading it.

[ifrit_caress]

Just say you enjoyed Tomb Raider better than you did Uncharted.

[Orionsangel]

I like both games a lot, but TR is special to me because the first TR game from 96 really made an impression on me. There was nothing like it at the time unless you count Mario 64, but that was a cute platformer. TR was an action game with treasure hunting and guns. As a kid in the 80's playing Atari I used to dream of a 3d like game where I could explore a world, but in those days it seemed so unattainable. TR finally made that dream a reality. It's the one that started the 3d action adventure genre for which UC wouldn't even exist without that first TR game, but that's not why I like it more. TR also came to me at a certain moment in my life. I have a connection to it. It's one of those magical gaming moments that only comes once in a blue moon.

All that being said. I have to be honest with myself. UC games have better storytelling and character development. You can't deny that. They feel more like movie adventures where you control the action with set pieces. UC is great at gun battles. Where TR games have never been the best at storytelling, but I do love the exploration, puzzles and and tomb raiding more in TR games. They're both great at what they do and we're lucky to be able to enjoy both franchises. Maybe one day Lara Croft and Nathan Drake will team up in game. One can dream.

[Wotbot]

For charm and loveable characters absolutely not.

[LucidIllusion]

I'm sorry, but you're retarded.