Tecmo: PlayStation 3 Most Powerful Hardware

Gaming Union writes "During E3 2009, Tecmo gave their opinion on the current state of play with regards to the current generation hardware. They are currently developing Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Quantum exclusively for the PlayStation 3 and surely there has to be a reason for this."

[Selyah]

Bold claims indeed.

[pwnsause]

funny how over 1 year ago when Itigaki was running Team Ninja, he stated that the 360 was the most power system ever, and now look what happens when you change.

[lociefer]

this is no news , everyone knows that the ps3 is the most powerfull bad-ass machine ever created , well except the guyz at valve , the colour of green is really blinding

[OGharryjoysticks]

Remember when he said in a bragging manner that he only makes games for the most powerful systems? Well, throw that out the window. He made a DS game even...LOL. In the end it doesn't matter because he's well taken care of by Microsoft. When he was still at Tecmo he didn't want anything to do with the PS3 because of his relationship with Microsoft. No big deal. Everybody has to eat.

[Tomonobu Itagaki]

Everybody has to eat... even Gabe Newell.

[fishd]

http://i41.tinypic.com/2ic4...

xD

[SullyDrake]

We all knew this already. Uncharted proved it a while ago, and Killzone 2 reestablished it.

[irish-leprecaun]

i just want your opinions!

[raztad]

To be fair Valve never has said (as far as I know) the PS3 is a weak console, just they dont know (dont want to learn for whatever reasons) to develop for it. Kinda lame, but it is what it is.

Now, Tecmo went straight to the point. Obviously this is a politically incorrect thing to say for a multiplat developer, so I guess Tecmo is not caring that much about MS any more. Very interesting development indeed.

[DasBunker]

didnt we already know this before we even bought a PS3?

[AKNAA]

"Simply, it's the most powerful hardware"

Its about time a third party developer spoke the truth without being worried about what MS will think!

[gaffyh]

Everyone knew this a year before the PS3 was even released. The proof came when Uncharted became one of the best looking console games to date, and still has no equal. Killzone 2 proved everyone wrong as did MGS4.

But still fanboys do not see the truth.

[Shadow Flare]

When do you ever read an article where a dev says, "This game can't be done on ps3"? You don't.

Xbox 360 can't even handle the amount of grass in Flower...

http://www.n4g.com/ps3/News...

[Megaton]

Itagaki just hates Sony. Something about giving Tekken priority over DOA, if I remember correctly.

[Jamegohanssj5]

The only reason why Itagaki made the DS game is because he made a deal with his daughter that he would.

TGSI

[Why dis]

This isn't the first time a dev said this to win over the fanbase they're trying to court. Ghostbuster devs said this not too long ago even though the PS3 version of Ghostbusters is inferior.

[cmrbe]

In terms of story telling and gmeplay NO imo. MGS4 is still the best. Visually its still up there with the best like Uncharted and KZ2. KZ2 overall is still the best visually for me atm. Uncharted has the best environments but MGS4 with best character models. KZ2 with best physics,lighting and particle effects. KZ2 looks grainy/gritty and looks more realistic than the other two imo. So i guess you can say KZ2 does look better than MGS4. However MGS4 is still unmatched in gameplay and story telling. Both MGS4 and KZ2 sound are the best as well.

[HQLocated111]

Hopefully they make huge improvements to the graphics of Quantum. Right now the game BARELY looks as good as Gears 2. Can't wait to see more gameplay at TGS!

[Rainstorm81]

"We all knew this already. Uncharted proved it a while ago, and Killzone 2 reestablished it"

and Uncharted 2 & GoW3 ended the debate for good.

Its really no arguement but the way people think these days, Sony and multiple Devs have to continue to stress the point.

[HDgamer]

Gabe Newell has stated that various times. Valve is a different story, but Gabe Newell is the head of Valve.

[ultimolu]

Are you kidding me Why Dis? Really? What does Ghostbusters have to do with this? It's funny when the only thing 360 fanboys can use in an argument of which console is more powerful, they resort to multiplatform games.

For the billionth time...

EXCLUSIVES SHOW THE POWER OF YOUR CONSOLE, NOT MULTIPLATFORM GAMES.

[SixTwoTwo]

Water is wet, fire is hot, etc. tell me something I don't know... like GT5's release date =)

@above .. Relax. Just let the baby have his bottle =)

[Rock Bottom]

Lets assume this article is just for commercial reasons, and lets assume the 360 is the most powerful console this generation. Now, what good is the 360 hardware superiority if the best looking console games this gen are PS3 games?

[Rhoic]

Does this even matter? I was aware that it all depended on games. Not the console's hardware.

[oohWii]

I agree 100 Percent. It's true, the PS3 is so powerful and graphically superior that even the JAGGIES are more superior. You see how clear and clean the jaggies show up in PS3 games.

Also, isn't it just hilarious how ANYONE saying something positive about the PS3 is automatically telling the truth with these guys. They are the most needy fanboys I have seen to day. PS3 Fanboys, MUST constant have attention and validation placed upon their console. They spend more time on N4G defending their purchase than any other fan of any other console in the history of video gaming.

People use to say Apple fans were bad, but let me tell you. There are legitimate gamers out their that love the PS3 and I am not speaking about them. But then you have those like ultimolu. Out of all the comments made she picked yours to comment on, and why you ask, because yours wasn't inline with the SDF agenda.

TECMO...uh...haha

Edit: @livegamer Below (3.5)

You have broken the code and I did months ago. This probably explains why we both have 1 bubble. If you speak your opinion and it's not what they want to hear, the cowards take away your bubbles because they are so jacked up in the head that hey can't even deal with being challenged in an open debate. These are some needy people, so sad, so pathetic.

[Bathyj]

I wouldnt be talking about Jaggies if my flagship shooter and racer were LegoHalo 3 and LegoForza 2 respectively.

Show me one PS3 exclusive with Jaggies as bad as those two games. If fact for all the graphical nitpickinging, show me one graphical downfall on PS3 that actually makes a difference to the game aside from maybe the first Madden on PS3 or CoD3 which ran like a dog, and that was from the devs not wanting to put in the learning time first. We've moved on since then.

Hey least Valve have admitted now they're not up to it. But then Valve are forever releasing stuff that takes to modding community to spit shine it and make it better. No wonder they dont want to learn something new.

[TheTwelve]

It's about as bold a claim as saying the Yankees are the most dominant team in baseball history. In other words, it's not a bold claim at all...it's just the obvious truth based on clear evidence.

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[theEnemy]

MGS4 was and will always be one of the best games on the PS3.

It's on par with KZ2 in terms of Graphics, well maybe KZ2 got a slight edge. ;)

But the gameplay and the feeling after playing it is still unmatched IMO.

I *hope* MGS:R will be close visually and gameplay wise that of MGS4.

[BattleAxe]

PS3 "most powerful hardware" FTW!!!!!!

[rockleex]

The last boss fight in MGS4 says hello. ^_^

Seriously, if they had made it a cutscene fight instead of gameplay boss fight, I would NEVER have believed that it was done in real time!

[soxfan2005]

@Twelve

You're right. Sony is like the Yankees - the once unbeatable team now struggling while their bitter rivals have overtaken them. Just like the PS3 is most powerful, the Yankees have had the highest payroll for the last eight years. We all know what has happened in those last eight years - eight teams not named "Yankees" have won the World Series.

EDIT - You're right - this year has yet to be decided. Just like Sony, the Yankees have the best lineup on paper. How that translates into real world success is the big question.

[rockleex]

Except no one has won this world series yet.

And even then, it still doesn't change the fact that the PS3 is the most powerful console this generation... just like how the Xbox was the most powerful last generation.

@whoever disagreed with me

Are you telling me the last boss fight in MGS4 did not have CG-like visuals? <_<

[Sarcasm]

CGI Graphics? The Last Guardian.

'nuff said

[Syronicus]

With Sony using the Cell and having a BD-ROM Drive, this knowledge is nothing new. It was only the fanboys that hated the PS3 for its price that claimed it was not as powerful or more powerful than the 360. I will however state that perhaps it was not until developers began unlocking the PS3 potential that we began to hear more about how powerful the hardware was. It takes time with any Sony console to unlock the power of it's tech.

Note to the fanboys, I am in no way slamming the 360. There are and will be amazing games on it so please do not take this as a slam on the 360. It's just a known fact that the PS3 has more to offer in way of future proof hardware than the 360.

[s8anicslayer]

Valve never said the PS3 wasn't the most powerful machine, they have always said "It is too complicated to develop for."

http://n4g.com/events_e3200...
Here's a link to those recent statments

[Dude420]

Why do they keep making articles like this?

No wait, why do you guys still care about articles like this?

It's the same discussion over and over again and it's quite sad really, we've already debated these things before, why go at it again? My conclusion to these articles are that they are just fuel for the fanboy wars.

I think the PS3 is a more powerful and reliable machine than the 360, but that doesn't mean a visually stunning game can't be done on the 360. Look at Remedy, Alan Wake looks absolutely promising considering it's an open world game. I'm not expecting it to blow KZ2 or Uncharted 2 out of the water, but it might be nearly on par.

All it takes is a good number of years of developement which is what most of Sony's first party devs are doing. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't have that many developers that will do that, they just churn out games every 1 or 2 years, (I do think Forza 3 looks great though). Even if Halo is a fun game (ODST seems cool), I would hope that Bungie would at least start working on a new engine so they improve on their Halo franchise.

Anyway I wish these kind of articles would stop, but that won't happen since you guys need an article to do your daily bashing of a console you don't like. Sad sad sad.

[aueslander]

....the main dude who was a project leader on both the cell and the 3 core said that both cpus are pretty close together? I mean come on, who is more likely to know which is the better cpu, PR people/3rd party game makers or the head of the guys who actually designed and built the 2 cpus?

[Jecht]

Yeah, 'cause you played them both right?

I'm going to start calling you Brad Warden, Chad Warden's 360 fanbot whiny little brother who's pathetically wrong all the time.

[40cal]

2 devs in 2 days stating that the PS3 is more powerful.

I said this before the PS3 even launched. I think that in 2011 we will start to see more 3rd party PS3 exclusives starting with Rockstar Norths Agent. New IPs and bigger games with bigger visions will have that little Only On Playstation tab at the top of the box.

[TOO PAWNED]

by then we will see next xbox, and i don't care what MS says about 360 we will see next xbox in 2011 or 2012, 360 is already outdated

[table]

The only problem for the 360 is the use of DVD. It still gets by at the moment but we are already seeing games go onto 2 discs and now Rockstar are doing a ps3 exclusive thought to be as a result of the DVD disc space. This may prompt an earlier release of the next xbox but its still too early to say.

[40cal]

Blu-Ray, Cell broadband engine, mandatory HDD, and HDMI greater than 1.0 are four (4) problems that I can count.

[Rainstorm81]

Natal is supposed to extend its life span til 2015 LOL

[RealtorMDandDC]

the PS3 is the best technology right now on the market aim at gamers.

The PS3 is a very capable machine...and it's very evident in it's exclusive...even the ones that suck...(Lair&Haze)....they are not as bad as Bullet Witch & Too human(maybe tied)...

It's also evident when Sony 1st party begin to really harness the power of the PS3 many other devs will follow suit and announce exclusive for the PS3..the PS3 has not show anything yet..we are only two years in.......it's still has unlimited potential...that's what is great with the PS3...it evolves...it's like fine wine gets better with age....functionality and etc...

[Sitdown]

"B-B-B-B-ut
Natal is supposed to extend its life span til 2015 LOL"

Hahaha...I am glad you can laugh at how pointless your statement is. Seriously, did you read the article? The ps3 being more powerful does not mean the 360 can not make it to 2015 with the help of Natal.....the xbox was more powerful than the ps2.....but you see the ps2 is still alive and well.

[Bubble Buddy]

Gaming all day. screw exams :)

[blackbeld]

^^^^^^HAHAHAHA....

But you can game all the way after the exams too.....

And of-course we all know PS3 is the most powerful this console gen.

[Bubble Buddy]

obviously :P, I love my PS3. I wish though Uncharted 2, Modern Warfare 2, etc. came out in the summer instead of fall >.<

[cmrbe]

Education is very important. You can always game later.

[ptotoy]

i'm certain xbots would beg to differ and say how gears 2 looks better than killzone or how forza3 looks better than gt5.

Col. Jessep: [shouts] You can’t handle the truth!

[Shadow Man]

There I said it.

So I just prove you wrong.

[MetalGearBear]

Forza3 only have 2 disc and 400 car. PFFFFT!!!!
BUY PS3. LOL
GT5 have 1 disc and 1,000+ cars.

[Kill Crow]

it's got 8 bloody cores vs xboxs 3. On paper everyone's known the PS3 is around twice as more powerfull as the 360 right fro mthe start, no one can deny it.

Ther question is can anyone write code efficiently enough to produce games that are twice as good as the xbox equivalent?

And the answer is no ... or not yet.

Sure there are some stunning games on PS3 and graphically there are a couple that stand out above most if not all 360 games - but only marginly.

And the problem is, the teams that produced those games cost more and take longer. Millions more and years longer - PS3 games are always delayed - so is it really worth it to get a game that only looks slightly better than it's 360 counterparts

Then there's actual game playability etc ... games that are easier to program tend to have more time focused on actually playing good rather than just looking good.

This is a major problem with PS3 development, and essentially the hardware.

More powerful has not resulted in better games, only longer and more costly development times where the end result doesn't show much difference with so called inferior hardware.

[CSM-101e]

and also one for thinking that anyone actually understands the implications of parallel processing in a game. I don't, you don't, no one that's going to post on N4G really understands the potential. I'm not saying that the PS3 is orders of magnitude better than the 360, but it is more powerful. I don't know this because I'm a super-coder, or a processor designer. I know this because the 1st party Sony games are consistently of a higher quality than MS's titles.

[Spike47]

If you are a fat lazy lard than I rather not have you touch such a complex but powerful system.

[SaberEdge]

Tecmo's comments back then were vague. I mean he didn't give any details or specifics. Not to mention that his comment directly contradicts the comments made by other developers and one of the lead engineers of both CPUs.

The fact is, the PS3 isn't as powerful as people make it out to be. One of the key IBM designers of both CPUs said, "At the end of the day, when you put them all together, depending on the software, I think they're pretty equal."
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

John Carmack has expressed that "...the only thing Sony has going for them over the 360, is the data storage on the blu-ray..."
http://www.destructoid.com/...
He also said "Yeah, I mean that's our position that it's almost unequivocal across the board that the 360 is a better platform to develop for. On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360 hardware is superior to the PS3's RSX on there."
"And the other major difference is the memory partitioning. Where they're both 512mb machines, but on the PS3 it's partitioned into 256mb of video and 256mb of main. And one of the biggest things that Sony does poorly for developers is their system stuff sucks up a lot more resources than it does, than Microsoft's does on the 360. So memory is much more painful on the PS3. We spend a lot more time trying to crunch down the memory for that..."

Jason Booth, a former developer with Harmonix, also says that the PS3 is not more powerful than the 360. http://www.gamedaily.com/ar...
He says ""Fill rate is one of the primary ways to measure graphics performance - in essence, it's a number describing how many pixel operations you can perform. The fill rate on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, meaning that games either have to run at lower resolution or use simpler shader effects to achieve the same performance," "Additionally, the shader processing on the PS3 is significantly slower than on the 360, which means that a normal map takes more fill rate to draw on the PS3 than it does on the 360. And I'm not talking about small differences here, we're talking roughly half the pixel pushing power."

Real life engineers and software developers tell us either that the two consoles are close in performance capabilities or the 360 is actually a bit more powerful in general. Two and a half years of better performing multiplatform games on the 360 also hint at the same thing.

That is part of the reason I tend to buy most of my multiplatform games for the 360. I was sick of seeing nearly every PS3 multiplatform game I looked at having worse aliasing, lower texture resolution, missing effects, more screen tearing, slower frame rate, and fuzzier image quality than the 360 counterparts.

A few well-funded and overhyped exclusives does nothing to change that. Killzone 2 and Uncharted look exceptionally good, but not nearly as good as PS3 fanboys would lead you to believe. They are not really doing anything more technically impressive than games like Gears of War 2, Alan Wake, Assassin's Creed or Resident Evil 5. All of these games show their performance in different ways, but they are all more or less equal in technical terms.

[talltony]

.. So your saying even though ps3 pushes out the best graphics it doesnt mean it has the best graphics? i dont get what you mean cause the exclusives are speaking for themselves! Microsoft has tons of money to fund their games and their exclusives do look noticably worse than ps3's no matter what you say.

[CSM-101e]

right there, depends on the software. That's the whole argument. It takes radically different coding that these dudes just don't get yet. Just like PS1 and PS2; you've got garbage at the beginning of the cycle and absolute beauty at the end.

These developers are people; and people always talk bad about what they don't understand. You can quote all you want; I'll believe my own experience over your biga$$ block of cherry picked text any day.

[XLiveGamer]

I know that all your comment its based on facts that no one on this site can change it but in this site your comment is just that a comment All this "experts"(fan boys) are going to disagree on it because the population here is 90% PS3 fans so no matter what you or even God say about this real facts they are going to ignore them. The reality is that the only thing that is helping ps3 its the data storage (Blu-Ray). But hey no one that have a Xbox 360 is complaining about 2-4 discs. All this complains about X360 comes from PS3 fanatics in every corner on the net. Just check how they are bashing Forza3 but no one from the Xbox 360 fans is bashing GT series. If you ask me about both My opinion is that Forza series is better than GT series and i own both! I have all GT and both Forza games so i am in a position to have a good opinion about both but i prefer Forza right now over GT but for a PS fan GT fan only GT is a better series NO MATTER WHAT! So what you commented is real but for them is blaspheme.

[-chaz-]

@SaberEdge

All that's true, but on this site that kind of info is falling on deaf ears. Unfortunately the proof is in the games and until someone really creates a game on the 360 that outdoes Killzone or Uncharted, it's not likely to fly here.

[cmrbe]

Technically i really don't know which is stronger, i really don't care but in the end.PS3 exclusives looks and play better. In the end that is really what we have.

[RealtorMDandDC]

It's so obvious...I really do not understand soemtimes..the overall quailty of Sony's exclusives is by far the most superior.....

I do have a 360...and in all honestly..it's cool..I love have it as an other option..but right now..I am more excited to be a PS3 owner...becuase it's future looks bright..I played my 360 for a year before I bought my Ps3 day one..120GB B/C...

Becuase if you have played Uncharted/MGS4/Heavenly Sword/R&C: TOD & QFB,KZ2, infamous, Folklore, Uncharted 2 beta and...LBP...if you have really and truly have played these games in full you will understand what the PS3 is capable of.........

[BWS1982]

is quoting people on components of a console, not the whole console as a machine (the IBM guy if I recall meant the CPU, not the cell/SPU's as a whole, there's a difference, then you see a quote about RAM size, again, trivial). A dev uses the entire system and maxes out the collective power to the best they understand. Exclusives seem to be where the "outcome" of that power would lie...comparing multiplats is arguing about simplicity in coding, not power.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"The fact is, the PS3 isn't as powerful as people make it out to be. One of the key IBM designers of both CPUs said, "At the end of the day, when you put them all together, depending on the software, I think they're pretty equal." "

First of all, that IBM employee quote is invalid, because there's no way an IBM employee will say: "We chump changed Microsoft into getting an inferior processor". Funny how you use quotes and then you use multiplatform games when it's most convenient. Why not use actual *tests* to prove your claims? Oh, that's right, that's because the Cell CPU would obliterate your god's CPU.

Also, why quote the whole thing when you can quote selectively and out of context, right? Well, Carmack actually admitted PS3 is more powerful than Xbox 360.

http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

He only said it's not worth taking the time to squeeze the additional power PS3 has over 360.

Also, Jason booth from Harmonix is *not* a programmer or an engineer, he's just an artist so he has NO IDEA about hardware. He has an agenda to bash Sony and PS3 considering he is getting into social gaming, i.e. competing with Home. Bad example right there.

Electronic Arts has hinted that PS3 has plenty of untapped power. Hell, Epic, the guys behind 360s most technically impressive game, have said that they've already tapped most of the power behind Xbox 360. The majority of developers, including Sega and Konami, have said that they've never worked with equipment as sophisticated as PS3. Nearly all developers have said this about PS3, not so about 360. 360s only praise has been that it's easy to develop for.

Oh, and don't make us laugh at the "Uncharted and killzone are not more impressive than Alan Wake or Gears of War". First of all, Alan Wake doesn't even look better than infamous, so your claim is cancelled. Second, Gears of War has half the amount of polygons per character on Uncharted, even when Uncharted has more color, better animation, better AI, more enemies on screen, better explosions, hell I could go on. Uncharted destroys Gears of War 2, even when Uncharted barely utilizes about 30% of what PS3 is capable.

The only thing that can be admitted, is that PS3 and 360 have weaknesses each that the other does better. It's just that it is a lot harder to program towards getting great results on PS3.

Nobody believes you have a PS3 anyway, so go back to your cave.

[fuckoffodion]

I thought I was the only one who thought he was full of Sh!t. He's just a 360 butt boy.

[Consoldtobots]

why does someone always make a dumb comment about noone on this site being smart enough to understand this stuff. You know us programmers are people too and we like to read industry news as well. There isn't some secret internet we all go to.

[Ju]

@Sabre,

David Shippy was the PowerPC core lead for both the CELL and 360 Xenon. He has no idea how game SW works (he is a HW guy) and he certainly has not worked on the SPU, nor on the ideas behind a massive parallel vector core (this was mainly Kutargie's philosophy and based on the PS2 experience). He has, however, added an improved VMX core to the Xenon (which the CELL does not have because of the SPU advantage). That said, he had no gaming background what so ever before he started working on the CELL, nor can he make a objective statement of the overall CPU performance. He thinks (!) that the 3 core Xenons can keep up with the CELL, but he has no idea how an effective parallel algorithm can run circles around "his" power cores. He is simply wrong.

John Carmack. Read again what he said: In regards of pixel pushing power of the GPUs (!) the 360 is more powerful. This has already been discussed up and down, and the general consensus is, this might well be true. However, and this becomes very apparent in all PS3 exclusives, the pixel pipeline in the PS3 begins in the CELL and not the GPU. Vertex pre-processing (UC/UC2), filtering/setup (KZ2) etc plus the fact that particles are rendered by the SPU prove that even this is only true, if developers go the straight way of using traditional shaders only and ignoring the pixel/vector power the SPUs bring to the table.

And, well, Harmonix ? Are you kidding me ? Which visual showcase did they ever produce ?

[mac4u10]

omg whats new!!!

[badkolo]

And inded it is and might be, but that doesnt change the facts that even till today the multiplats lack on ps3, recently with ghostbusters who's dev said the same thing yet ghostbusters looks better on the 360.

Now im not knocking the ps3, i know its more powerful, but having these devs come out to keep saying so but then pushing multiplats that dont show that doesnt help. Having a few games that are better on the ps3 doesnt change much at this point, and a game that was first on a 360 then a year later appears better on the ps3 doesnt count either.

[No FanS Land]

well it's going to get hot in here. Let's hope NG2:S is as beatiful as the 360 or version or they'll have to...

anyway, I wouldn't want to defend this statement as a dev.

[badkolo]

They need to remeber that being more powerful hasnt helped, so having devs shoot thier mouths off doesnt help.

wii least powerfull, 1st place, 360 second least powerful, 2nd place, ps3 most powerful 3rd place.

Last gen, xbox1 most powerful 3rd place and so on.

[PirateThom]

XBox came second last gen, beating both the Dreamcast and GameCube.

[cyclindk]

Or...

Wii, cheapest = 1st place

360, second cheapest = 2nd place

PS3, expensive as fuq but worth it = 3rd place

[spandexxking]

@7.2
the xbox is actually the cheapest, at least in the uk. Wii=179 Xbox=159 for the pro

[orakga]

This "1st, 2nd, 3rd place" business really has to go~

There was a time when PCs used to cost around $2,000+ (if you wanted to play the newest games), and only about 3 million people could afford that type of setup at home. This was the early-to-mid 90s. At that same time, Nintendo had 15 million SNES in the market.

By the current measure of "success", all these "journalists" would have undoubtedly crowned the SNES as the victor of the gaming industry back then. But anyone who's been gaming since that far back knows that the the true "winning platform" of that time was the PC.

You see... back then, people judged consoles not based on how many people owned it, but by how many people WANTED it (but couldn't afford it).

This is so cliche, so it hurts to actually have to say this, but people really need to stop pretending like they know what they're talking about when their gaming experiences are so limited (this applies to you regardless of which platform you support).

Here's how it goes:
1) Great consoles enable great games
2) Great games SELL A LOT (and also drive console sales in the process)
...and/but,
3) Games that sell a lot aren't always great!

So, it doesn't matter if 100 million people own a system if the games are crap. All that says is there are a 100 million gullible gamer-wannabe's in the world who can't afford what's actually best for them.

IMO:

The 360 had a decent run, but its hardware is simply not able to keep up anymore. In fact, the 360 has been holding back the videogame artform for almost two years (basically Gears1 maxed out most of the hardware) because everybody panicked and split their resources just to support both the PS3 and the 360. There is NO WAY for creativity to thrive when companies are paranoid of going "all in" on the wrong console.

But the PS3 isn't exactly in great shape either. Back when the PS3 first launched in 2006, it WAS a technological marvel. The fact that it launched at ONLY $600 was... a MIRACLE to anyone who really understood hardware (the hardware was easily worth $1,000). But that was nearly three years ago. Now,... you could probably build a PC with similar capabilities with around $500.

Yes, there have been games like MGS4 which DID thankfully take advantage of the PS3's technological prestige, but if anyone remembers... the first 24 months for the PS1 and PS2 had MUCH larger libraries of innovative and impressive titles than the PS3 and 360's first 2 years combined! That's because developers didn't have to worry about supporting 2-3 different consoles simultaneously and second-guessing the gamers.

So I don't really care who "won" this generation, because at the end of the day, WE GAMERS LOST. All those games that we saw at E3 last week? Come ON guys... don't you think those games are all already a full year overdue??? God of War 3?? Final Fantasy 13? Both of those games are going to come out AFTER the PS3's three-year anniversary! (FF7 took 18 months to launch on the PS1, and FF10 took only 12 months!)

As far as I can tell, the future of gaming will once again be deferred to the PC. And until the next round of consoles are introduced (starting with the next XBox), the console landscape will merely remain the a collection of mediocre "current-gen" games.

[Cunnin-English]

I think its got more to do with the engine a developer uses rather than the power of a console.

[cyclindk]

I'm not the one who disagreed with you, but the part of your comment where you explain why you believe this was left out why?

I think birds can fly not because of their wings, but because they are filled with hot bird-farts that make them float...

See, my explanation allows people to tell me why I'm right or wrong, but yours does not afford anyone the opportunity to praise or pummel you.

[FPShooter]

Cyclindk. Lmfao. Bubbles to you sir.

[bjornbear]

Is all has to be. Thats why when i see fanboys with giant blocks of text explaining all the technologies of the internal systems, i feel like smacking them:

you-don't-know-more-than-a-pr ofessional-game-developer.

Simple =), expect to see many more of these claims in the coming months, and then 3rd parties will roll in =D

[donnie-2105]

if sonys amazing 1st party devs worked on the 360 we would see results as good if not better than the ps3.it is not the flawed ps3 but the talented devs which make sonys exclusives look better,with the 360 its so simple to get good results the devs do a quick turnaround(and make more money) they dont have to play to its strenghts as much.thats why i think the 360 has as much "untapped" potential as the ps3 BUT MS admitedly slim 1st partys will never build from the ground up for it over 4 year dev times because they dont need to,to get very good graphics.

[bunbun777]

*fart noise*

[CSM-101e]

the 360 simply doesn't have that much untapped power. If you're thirsty, and the glass is right in front of you, you drink it all, pretty quickly. If you've gotta go dig a well, you'll end up with more water for longer; but it was a b!tch to get there to begin with. But, with that well now dug...

[cyclindk]

Uncharted was not 4 (2) years, Rachet and Clank was not 4 (1-2) years, Resistance was not 4 (1-2) years.

[peeps]

by 4 year dev times, i assume you refer to killzone... well thats 4 years to develop a new game engine for a new platform and whole aaa game.

games can be pumped out on 360 pretty quick cus most devs use a 3rd party engine, such as UE3 (so many games use it it's crazy), meaning they only have to worry about developing the game...

I mean look at mw2, that's taken 2 years to develop (and they're using the same engine as the last game)

Big dev teams such as Capcom can pump out game after game cus they have an engine that used in many games (a lot of companies are the same)

[n4gno]

"if sonys amazing 1st party devs worked on the 360 we would see results as good if not better than the ps3."

lol.

and why ms, with his billions (used for medias, marketing, etc) can't buy or make games like that ? simply because the machine can't handle it (and it's just the start..remember, ps3 is mre difficult to programm)

[Shaka2K6]

ninja gaiden 2 on xbox 360 = 520p @ 30 fps.

Ninja Gaiden Sygma on Sony PS3 = 1080p @ 60 FPS.

I'm proud to be the owner and fan of the most powerfull gaming system of all time.

Play B3yond only on Sony PS3!

[chidori666]

quantum teory looks sweet.

[MTEC8]

All I have to say is go play Uncharted 2 beta and your will drool, then you remember that the awesome graphics is not even for the single player campaign and thats when your jaws will drop.

[dogmeat eater]

And to think thats just the beta MP. Who knows how good the full game will look like. Its going to make you poop em I think.

[RealtorMDandDC]

and that not SP......that makes me wonder...

[bnaked]

We know that since 2005

[donnie-2105]

also didnt crytec say they have maxed the ps3 last week,who do you belive the impartial makers of the most graphically advanced game ever(crysis) or the makers of ps exclusives and fighting games.the consoles are roughly about equal with each having different advantages over the other

[SaberEdge]

Bingo! One of the lead designers of both console's CPUs said "At the end of the day, when you put them all together, depending on the software, I think they're pretty equal."

Yet some people here want to go on believing otherwise. The two consoles are more or less equal in terms of potential performance. The 360 is a bit more powerful on the purely graphical side in terms of the GPU and memory architecture. The PS3 has a bit more processing power on the CPU side. At specific tasks one might be a little more powerful than the other, but in general the kinds of games that can be made on both consoles is essentially very similar.

In fact, given finite resources and time (which all games are constrained by) the 360 is actually going to give better results for most developers most of the time. As John Carmack expressed it: "But given a finite amount of development time, it's much-much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3. And that's pretty much the case across the board." http://www.destructoid.com/...

[cmrbe]

Temco are 3rd party devs like Crytek. Crytek would have nothing to gain by stating that one is better than the other.

I would believe Temco more as they already have expereince on dev both on the x360 and PS3 while crytek still haven't dev any game for both x360 and PS3. Lets also not forget that the PS3 cell is different from what Crytek is use to.

[Ju]

You know what I'd like to see from Carmack since a while now ? A game which can compete against MGS4 or such. Not some pos like Enemy Territory. I like his "mega textures" and yet, we haven't seen a game out yet. Maybe he reconsiders "procedural" vs "mega textures" a little bit, and tries to shift a bit from "raw data streaming" to a little bit more "intelligent data processing". Might help on a machine with limited resources.

[DaTruth]

When Crytek even starts making a game for consoles, then maybe they can add their two cents. As of yet, they have not produced a game for either console!

[Acquiesc3]

No duh. This is nothing new, we've known this for a long time now.

[Spike47]

"Real life engineers and software developers tell us either that the two consoles are close in performance capabilities or the 360 is actually a bit more powerful in general."

Oh really, so this doesn't count right? And all those times that PS3 devs stated how they liked to work on the PS3 exclusively because of it is less limited doesn't count right?

that last interview where Infinity ward stated that the xbox360 was hitting its max with MW2 doesn't count?

[cyclindk]

These kids don't realize that "professional" doctors during the 60s and 70s used to actually promote cigarettes for the companies that funded their research... "the brand of cigarette 9 out of 10 doctors use."

[raztad]

EA and IW were more politically correct. Just stating x360 is max out, w/o any reference to the PS3.

Tecmo was totally clear about what they think. Colour me surprised.

On the other hand, games like SC:Conviction and LP2 look really good, so maybe Ubisoft and Capcom are much better than the others programming for the 360.

[SaberEdge]

Yeah, and the comments I linked to don't seem to count for you, so what's your point? You selectively latch on to these bare bones comments that don't give any kind of technical explanation and you hold them up as the gospel truth. You selectively ignore any comments by devs that don't fit in with your PS3-centric world view.

For example, many of you ignore the fact that Crysis just told us that they are maxing out the PS3 and that the 360 and PS3 versions will look the same. If the PS3 is being maxed out and the two versions look the same, what does that tell you? Well, let's just say it sure lends weight to the statement made by one of the designers of the two CPUs that the two consoles are essentially equal in performance.

At the end of the day though, graphics are not the most important thing. You guys think that if you can convince the world that the PS3 is more powerful that it will suddenly win the console war. But that isn't going to happen. The consoles are too close for anybody to care about graphics as a deciding factor. After all, the Xbox last generation was A LOT more powerful than the PS2 and that didn't allow it to beat the PS2.

[cmrbe]

You are also doing the same in being selective yourself, so whats your point?.

Power in the end dosn't matter. What really matters is talent/human resource.

the xbox didn't loose because it had alot of power. Power had nothing to do with it. MS didn't have enough talent to push the xbox last gen. Still is the case this gen. Thats why they lost last gen.

Now this gen. Sony now also has a powerful machine on top of their people/devs using it to the best they can.

Hardware is nothing without people behind it. Sony has both.

[SaberEdge]

My point is, I would rather believe the guy that helped engineer the two CPUs and respectable developers like John Carmack who go into some detail about the pluses and minuses of each console than take a singular off-hand comment by a developer who gives no explanation of what he means (more powerful?...in which ways?) and whose comment directly contradicts what has been said by the aforementioned experts.

My point with the Xbox/PS2 comparison is that the Xbox was significantly more powerful than the PS2 and it showed it with games like Chronicles of Riddick, Doom 3 and Halo 2, none of which would have possibly been able to run on the PS2. The graphical performance gap between the two consoles was huge, yet the PS2 still outsold the Xbox by a huge margin. If a difference in performance that large did not make a significant difference last generation, why would a difference that arguably doesn't even exist (or is extremely small) be much of a deciding factor this generation?

You are right that "hardware is nothing without people behind it" and I also agree with you that "Sony has both", but you are totally shortchanging the 360. Microsoft has both as well. Both consoles are going to see better looking games in the future. But the real measure of a console is the quality of its games and from that perspective the 360 has shown and continues to show that it is a formidable competitor to the PS3.

[onanie]

The comment from the engineer was taken out of context, and Carmack is a PC-centric developer. You have no basis to say that the 360 even approaches the power of the PS3, saber. The ultimate proof is in the visuals from PS3 exclusives. No need to provide your own supposed comparisons (we've heard all about it) - everyone else can see for himself.

[Ju]

Crytek said the exact same thing: The PS3 has more core power up to the point it is a particle monster, while they see benefits in 360s GPU setup. And yet, I argue, that we haven't seen a release title from Cytek for consoles yet, and this is their first generation engine.

Over time, when they'll figure out how much more potential the SPUs bring to the table, they will start moving more render specific code toward the CELL. If they ever want to do that, because they will sell their engine as a multiplatform engine. But, just because they run 100% cycles on their non-released code yet, doesn't mean its maxed out yet.

And Sabre, you use selective quotes all the time. Not even citing properly. Quotes are quotes, but sometimes it helps to understand the fine print.

[Perkel]

@ saber you can talk all you want but you can't find better looking games on 360 where Gears of War 2 is 360 graphical showcase...

Last gen and ps1 gen learn us that graphic must evolve on new consoles. WITH EACH new exclusive title Playstation 3 is seting new level.

PS2 graphic evolved from jak & dexter sh*tty 3d graphic to God of War 2 lvl graphic (amazing till now ! ).

Playstation 3 from day one with motorstorm and resistance set new lvl of graphic for consoles then heavenly sword topped it, RAchet & Clank F:TOD upgraded it more , Uncharted 1 again surpased, then was GT5P witch errased any competition even on pc (1st game ever with photorealistic graphic, [Crysis still looks like game]) then we saw MGS4, resistance 2, and this year we will se uncharted 2 who will again rise bar and next year God of War 3 and GT5.. soo .. When it will end ? When Naughty dog claimed they used 30 % of ps3 power fanboys were laughing about "untaped power". On this E3 naughty dog proved they didn't lie and god of war eated all games on consoles (without GT5 and GT5P because they look photorealistic).

So what was the evolve points in x360 history ? GeoW 1 then ? GeoW2 ? Then Forza 3 (still look like a game) and maybe alan wake (maybe because we didn't see full game yet).

So Saber shut up and state a game on 360 looking better, will you ?
Let games speak for themselves not coc*y devs.

Find me better looking game on360 and with better textures than this
This is no bullshot it's straith from the game !

http://users1.ml.mindenkila...

[peeps]

I think a point worth remembering is that the ps3 has only been out now for 3 years. You only have to look at the ps2 and how games evolvled from the systems launch to present to see that it's likely devs will always be able to squese a bit more out of a console.

And even looking at the ps3's games, compare launch titles to the ones developed 3 years in except of course the games being released now probably started work not long after the ps3 was released.

[dogmeat eater]

Never knew that. That game looks kind of good to tell you the truth. Its like a mix between gears and ninja gaiden.
Edit: time will tell if Quantum is any good. So far its looking pretty fun.

[peeps]

i was quite interested in it tbh but gameplay footage put me off a bit. just not really how i was expecting it to be. time will tell though

[CryWolf]

PS3 was always the most powerfull system.

[peeps]

i'd say that both the 360 and ps3 have their advantages tbh. I imagine that bluray and hdd as standard will pay off a lot more in the years to come. Problem is, multi-plat games are very much where its at atm, and with less ps3's out there than 360's i can't see devs spending extra money and resources for multi-plat games on ps3, just cus they have the ability to do so.

[PotNoodle]

Not everyone can drive an F1 car.

[Surfman]

everybody know that

[cmrbe]

the bots. Man you should see them drool over the Froza 3 trailer. Poor kids think that is how real cars move in real life.

Now i know for sure the xbots are really are just little kids that are a long way off from driving cars.

[sonic989]

i know then why i love the PS3 because its the most powerful
and for the people who are struggling to figure it out ( the cheap 199.99 $ system owners . they know themselves lol )
the PS3's processor is TEH CELL ( from toshiba sony and IBM ) and the xblode processor is a ( prototype processor from IBM LOOOL )
if you have any problem understanding this fact go and ask IBM's supercomputers division they will explain it to you

[donnie-2105]

this is GAMING CONSOLES not "super computers" being able to do complecated maths sums does not make the ps3 more graphically capable.does cysis on max need a cell chip or blu ray the ps3 is to seriously crippled in other key areas to show any real note worthy advantage over the 360

[MajesticBeast]

Lol why do you think all the talent stays with sony donny because they get the tools dont have to rush out games like gears of war 2 just so they could compete with resistance 2 and lbp. ps3 is just more powerfull and trolls like saberedge will just keep on spinning till the wii looks more powerfull then the ps3. I could do some vses but that would be to brutal.

[donnie-2105]

R2 and lbp are nothing special graphically and gears 2 is far better than R2 in that regard.plus sony have far more years in the industry than msoft to build up their 1st partys but microsofts 3rd partys like valve,epic still have massively greater sales than the sony exclusives.i own a ps3 and the ONLY game i possibly think could not be done on 360 is uncharted but we wont know unless naughty dog make a 360 exclusive

[dogmeat eater]

Meh, multiplats are usually nothing compared to 1st party games. The only 3rd party game that excels a first party game is MGS4. Which is an exclusive. So yeah.

[dogmeat eater]

Its obvious. You cant deny the specs. The PS3 has a 7 core 3.2ghz processor. So its undeniably the most powerful console. Actually the PS3 has an 8 core processor but the PS3 reserves one core for the PS3s OS. Its still funny when people poop themselves over the whole 256mb ram with the PS3. The cell shares memory for more RAM. So its not 256mb. Oh well, I think people should just drop the whole power thing. The PS3 wins. It cant be beat. It is the most powerful console to date.

[-chaz-]

That's misleading; SPE's are not equal in power to the PPE, not by a long shot.

[dogmeat eater]

Its the most powerful console. Deal with it I guess.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

"That's misleading; SPE's are not equal in power to the PPE, not by a long shot. "

Uh, yes they are, by the same shot. An SPE can do about as many floating point operations as a PPE; it simply doesn't have the general purpose instruction set that a PPE has but that doesn't really matter. In fact, a PPE has to be bothered running general purpose tasks as far as 360 goes, a PPE can only be bothered with floating point math and vector math, so developers are actually forced to squeeze that power.

To put it in more simple terms for you, PS3 has 9 floating point units, or 7 available for games, all running @ 3.2 Ghz. 360 only has 3 or less considering 360s OS, and another 3 units for general purpose, but for every PPE you have you can only run one of the two parts (the vector unit or the general purpose unit) per clock, so either you run one of the two at full speed, or you run both at half speed each, or you somehow split the code to make your game run optimally, but the point is, you can only have at most 3 vector units on 360 running at full speed, but you'll probably have a lot less than that; on PS3, you'll always have 6 SPEs + PPE all running at full speed. There's no competition there.

[-chaz-]

Because there's SO much floating point math going on in your typical game engine, right?

[Ju]

The SPUs even though being vector units do have a general purpose instruction set. They are just not very good at branching and scalar code. But they can run scalar code as well. Vector code is used on FP notation on a large scale especially for all kind of geometry processing. As well as pixels can be described as vectors (with RGB components) and thus require vector and matrix calculations. This said, even a deferred render setup is just an extension to describe a pixel with more then RGB values and add those components (like reflection, lightning etc) in form of a complex data structure targeted at fast data processing thru a vector unit (like shown by Guerilla in KZ2).

Further more, developer started to harness scalar code thru optimized version of SPU code already (this includes tree iteration by SPUs, optimized AI code and such, which usually are a domain of scalar CPUs.).

The fact is, with proper SW architecture, you get 7 fully parallel CPUs in the CELL (not counting the one spare, and the one used SPU). Not much like it is available, today, not even in a Quad PC.

[-chaz-]

"The fact is, with proper SW architecture, you get 7 fully parallel CPUs in the CELL (not counting the one spare, and the one used SPU). Not much like it is available, today, not even in a Quad PC."

I understand the theory, but you're describing a Utopian computing environment that doesn't really exist. It's analogous to saying that the new Porsche you bought will hit it's max speed of 200mph in any given situation, regardless of the road, wind, etc. There are MANY situations (obviously high floating point calculations being not one of them) where the Cell can't keep up with the Xenon or your average quad-core Core CPU.

[Ju]

I assume the floating point ops you refer to are DP ? Well, the CELL being a SP FP unit has its limits in that regards, but its well sufficient to have SP FP ops in games (how deep is your draw distance that you can't scale it into a 32bit FP number?).

But, besides that, the sever class Cell would be the PowerXCell 8i, which has DP SPUs, which in turn can compete with Xenons (even the i7) etc, and yet, SW technology almost reach the DP precision of the PowerXCell by optimizing the code to run most ops in FP and only scales to DP when necessary without loosing any accuracy.

This is a perfect example, how SW technology can squeeze performance out of a chip it was not designed for (14GFlops for CELL, 102 for PowerXCell, but the optimized code reached about 80-90GFlops on the standard CELL - <need to find that ref>).

BTW: Utopia...seams a couple of people live in the land you describe, especially those like insomiancs, who managed running scalar code on a vector processor it was not even design for.

[clintos59]

Reason I say that is because they will never take advantage of the hardware for both the ps3 and the 360. Let the first and second party devs do the talking because as we can see, Killzone 2, Uncharted, GT5, and God of War 3 speak the truth because there is no need for the devs to say such things because the games speak for themselves.

[xino]

why can't players and developers get it through their thick head!??
PS3 is powerful than the XboX 360.

I mean you are trying to tell me that the most powerful console is XboX 360, when the console can't even browse the internet, support SD, Wi-Fi nor Bluetooth:/ Still uses the old fashion disc drive that pushes the disc tray outsides and doesn't even support console hardware touch (screen) button:/

enough said man.

[donnie-2105]

those are all superficial my freind and have nothing to do with graphical capabilities

[xino]

they both have equal graphics:/
don't fool yourself

[xabmol]

GoW3

Uncharted 1/2

TLG

R&CF Tod/ACiT

KZ2

MGS4

/Ownage

[randomwiz]

Simply put, ps3 power is not that much more powerful than the 360, but because of its architecture, the ps3 is a lot more powerful system when gaming.

Xenon would be a good processor for a pc, because it is good at running multiple things at one time.

Xenon also has a similar architecture to a pc processor, they both are designed to do multiple things at a time(this is why games on pc are easy to port to 360)

Cell processor is very good for gaming and super computing because although its designed to do in essence one thing at a time, it can compute things faster than anything. Gaming and supercomputers do one thing in common, and thats calculations basically, which the ps3 excels at.

BOTTOMLINE, ps3 and 360 have similar power, but ps3 can give more power in gaming because of the way its designed. 360 is designed as a pc, ps3 is designed as a gaming console.(dont misunderstand what i say in that last statement)

[raztad]

You know what is funny? MS and some loyalist used to say just the contrary. That the 360 is the gaming console and the PS3 is just a BD player that happens to run some games. That was way back in 2007.

[Consoldtobots]

uhm, you're kinda off the mark with your assesment, PS3 can multitask even better than the 360.

[Obama]

When Alan Wake looks graphically unimpressive and worse than GOW3 and Uncharted 2, you know the 360 has reached its limit.

[badbond1]

Who was impressed with Alan Wake at E3? It seems to me you could have heard crickets during the time Mr. Wake was shown. It's all good though. I am happy that it comes out for the xbots. However, they need something to play now!

[cmrbe]

look great 3 years ago.

[Obama]

I thereby awarded Alan Wake "the best looking game 3 years ago".

[k jules]

I will tell you it's stupid to compare games like Uncharted to gigantic Free roaming games. Except for the characters (those were really dissapointing) the game looks beautiful, especially the enviroments wich are vast.

[ukilnme]

This may be true but I have yet to see anything that makes me think any PS3 game could not be made on the 360. We'll never really know as long as we have exclusives which is a good thing. More power to you Tecmo, bring on the kickass games.

[randomwiz]

well, in my opinion, some ps3 exclusives can't be made as good on the 360 as they are on the ps3. You have to remember that the first party devs are smart enough to make their games uncompressed because they have plenty of disc space. If they made the game on the 360, it would have to be compressed to fit on dvd9

[ukilnme]

Not that I'm a fan of the idea but couldn't the whole disc space issue be solved by multiple discs?

[Morituri]

I nearly spit out my pepsi all over my keyboard over this one...

"This may be true but I have yet to see anything that makes me think any PS3 game could not be made on the 360."

Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, MGS4 & Killzone 2 say hi.

[DaTruth]

This is easily explained by the fact that, YOU HAVE NOT PLAYED A PS3 OR SEEN ANYTHING ON IT!!!! That is the only explanation!

[ukilnme]

@ Morituri

Well I say hi back to them and stand by my statement. I own Ratchet & Clank, MGS4 & Killzone 2. There is nothing about them that make me think they can't be done on the 360.

@ Da Truth

The PS3 sitting underneath my 50 inch Samsung Ultra Slim, next to my 360 and Wii, paid for by me, all say hi as I sit here in my home watching the NBA Finals in Hi Def while browsing N4G on my company provided laptop. Believe what you want though. I have as much of a chance convincing you that I own a PS3 that you have of convincing me that you are not an idiot.

[Sir Ken_Kutaragi]

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I don't need anyone telling me it's Powerful, i can see it is with the PS3 ONLY Games i got!!!;)

+ I'm STILL WAITING for the 'ChatFaceBookTwitterBox 360' to blow me away???
COME ON M$, ALL TALK, NO EVIDENCE???
+ At E3 i saw NOTHING better than KillZone 2 in Graphics???...WTF IS GOING ON M$!!! ;-D

[TH3 GAM3]

@saber

Okay, the 360 is more powerful than the PS3 by PS3 exclusives look so much better than 360 exclusive. 360 is still looking for an exclusive that looks better than Uncharted. On top of that Killzone 2 has been release and out due Uncharted.

[dogmeat eater]

The 360 fans will never accept the PS3 is more powerful. They just like to think there 360 has some secret extra power or something.

[ukilnme]

360 fanatics and PS3 fanatics are no different. Both sides of this ridiculous console war have to believe their preferred console is better than the other.

[DaTruth]

Guess it takes one to know one!

[ukilnme]

@ Da Truth
"Guess it takes one to know one!"

With a comment like that I would think you were in the 2nd grade. Sadly enough though I am sure you are a 30 to 40 year old overweight male still living with his parents.

[maniacmayhem]

We all know the Wii is the most powerful!

Viva la Wii Resort!

[maniacmayhem]

I'd like to apologize for that outburst...

[DICK]

be smoking crack cocaine

[Sitdown]

"don't talk about it, be about it".......so instead of telling us it is the most powerful, show us.........and when I say show us, I mean blow us out of the water with your game.

[xabmol]

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[deshon09]

because if you are talking about first party game you need to your eyes checked dude because sont first party game have be looking better than most games and thats on any system

[RealtorMDandDC]

...the proof is the pudding...have you played a PS3 Exclusive lately? I own all of them....

[SaberEdge]

Yes, I play PS3 exclusives quite often and I own most of the better-looking ones like MGS4, Uncharted and Killzone 2. Uncharted is one of my favorite games this generation. You guys need to understand I am not trying to bad mouth the PS3. I am only arguing for what I sincerely believe to be true.

Uncharted and Killzone 2 are gorgeous games, but I have spent a lot of time really going back and forth, comparing them to other games and at the end of the day I feel that if these two games are better than the better-looking games on 360, it is only by the slightest of margins. I am not even sure that they are better-looking, that is how close it is. I would be willing to bet that 95% of the gaming public wouldn't be able to decide which games looked better if they weren't aware of which console they were made for. Opinions would be all over the place.

From everything I have seen I believe the two consoles to be more or less of the same graphical potential. The difference really comes down to what the developers do with that potential. Alan Wake and Mass Effect 2 look as good to me as Uncharted and Killzone 2, so it is obvious to me that best is yet to come for both consoles.

[onanie]

It is quite easy to see that the notable PS3 exclusives such as Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 are leaps and bounds beyond what can be found on the 360.

[Perkel]

Saber you obviously played uncharted with close eyes if you state that

look: it's not even best pic from game.

http://users1.ml.mindenkila...

[HuGi]

So this = Lol

[Perkel]

nope, Ninja gaiden Sigma run flawless 60FPS in 1080P on PS3 ! And gae look very very good !

[Bladestar]

"They are currently developing Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 and Quantum exclusively for the PlayStation 3 and surely there has to be a reason for this." lol!... hello... Why would any xbox 360 buy an upgrade to a game they already have for $60?

Tecmo is still around? Itagaki no longer work there which means Tecmo needs to first prove that they can manage without him.

When this game comes out.. and people care enough to buy it... than Tecmo or wherever is left of it can talk. It's no secret why Itagaki left that company... the Management is a Sony leg humper. So it's no coincidence that they join the Sony developer club where it's mandatory for them to say that "The PS3 is most powerful" before they are able to pass Sony's approval process.

So, as proven by developers of games like Haze and Lair who said the very same thing to later go out of business... never trust a developer making an exclusive game on the PS3... since they may not be around in one year from now.

[krouse93]

They were actually bought by Crytek Not sure which one of the two devs but i think it was the Haze Devs.

And every thing you said is untrue.

for example please show me a Xbox 360 game that is xbox EXCLUSIVE not PC as well. that looks better than the best looking PS3 exclusive.

[STARS]

"Tecmo is still around? Itagaki no longer work there which means Tecmo needs to first prove that they can manage without him."

They already have, you asshat. NGS scored better than NG2, and Sigma had nothing to do with Itagaki. Consider yourself owned. Oh, and I'd love to see you refute fact, spin away.

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

[truewittness]

well duh it's the most powerful, but being the most powerful comes at a price, just like when you build or buy a pc. you pay for what you get in power, there's no problem with that if that's what you want to do

i wonder though, the ones(meaning fanboys) that say that the ps3 is the most powerful did they admit that with the xbox 1 in the last gen against the ps2? and did they make a big deal as to say "FEEL THE POWER" or "I'm proud to be the owner and fan of the most powerfull gaming system of all time"? i do remember Itagaki in a video interview saying that the xbox 1 was the most powerful and that's why he made ng for the xbox.

[BSciEngTech]

...and their very ignorant group of followers and cheap customers who love to get ripped off. PS3, by a mile, is more powerful than the Xbox 360. Just ask the scientists that use it to study fatal diseases and blackholes and other unknown things in the universe such as the big bang and LQC(loop quantum cosmology or gravity). Why do 360 owners even bother to argue thinking their console is more powerful when the whole world knows it isn't? Do they feel that ripped off that they have to embarass themselves? Don't listen to some CEO of a company that creates PC games. Don't listen to some "lead designer" who thinks he knows how to program the friggin' thing because he was told how to design it. Have any xbox owners on here even played a PS3 exclusive? If you really played a game like Killzone 2, you will see how much powerful the competition is. There are literally millions of calculations per second in games like K2 that would cause the Xbox to self destruct. It's not graphics alone, but what's going on on the screen that shows how much more powerful parallel processing is. And btw, the PS2 was more powerful than the original Xbox, Floating point wise, the xbox had the hardware to create better graphics. Call it a day guys, its another sad day for xbox owners. And I'm not some punk kid either;

Bachelor of Sciences in Mechanical Engineering
Bachelor of Sciences in Engineering Technolgy
Bachelor of sciences in Electrotechnology
Bachelor of Sciences in Computer science and Software Engineering DROPOUT(dropped both in 3rd year, finishing it after my Master's in Mechanical and Electrotechnology)

P.S. Xbox owners really need to get an Education to further understand their system is obsolete.

[mcgrawgamer]

someone as intelligent as you would not be here playing simple child games with the other mindless drones who frequent this site. Instead I'd expect to you to be a more level headed voice of reason. Surely someone with your knowledge knows that telling a fanboy anything positive about the competitions console or stating actual fact is like asking a 6 month old baby not to put his hands in his mouth....

[SIdepocket]

So, you have some experience working with the PS3?

P.S. I love how you felt the need to capitalize Education toward the end of your boasting, guess a master's degree doesn't buy much these days, does it?

[collin1986]

Yes we know the 360 has 512 mb ram with like a certain set aside for memory and we heard the 360 gpu is apparently a little better,but heres what people dont understand the 360 has a very hard time dealing with graphics,physics,foliage,the 360 has to calculate all that plus more,The ps3 deals with graphics,then lets say a cell deals with physics and another cell deals with foliage.IM not a developer i just read on the multitasking that the cell does and how the ps3 has 8 cells to help out with calculations.A question if the best looking 360 game is geow1&2,and uncharted ONE destroys both of them what does that tell you? And alot more things go on in uncharted then geow1&2 ie fire fights, explosions.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Nothing new. The PS3 is and always will be the most powerful console this gen.

[skatezero246]

I think everyone knows this except for fanboys in denial <-- denial it's a powerful thing ....

[XDF]

OK N64 is more powerful than PS2; X60 is more powerful than PSD, 3DO and Neo Geo are more powerful than SNESand Sega Genesis....Nothing to see here...IGN said Ghostbusters X360 looks better than PS3..Who gives a Flying F____K!

[devilhunterx]

and IGN also said Prototype sucks compared to inFamous. hmmmmmm

[devilhunterx]

all together now :

[xabmol]

xD

[bilbobob]

not be bothered to read this. Tecmo basically need to prove it by making a kick ass game. Then detailing if and where it cannot be surpassed on the 360. Then they can shout.

Till then, meh!

[Perkel]

They proved it with Ninja Gaiden Sigma running 60 FPS 1080P.. and x360 ninja gaiden 2 runs lower than 30 fps in 720p...

[SpartanGR]

Sony could end up this console war by winning back it's native devs like "Level 5" "From Software" "Capcom" and "Square" for eg. When/if they start making games exclusively for the PS3 this war is over.

[Ps_alm3k]

if they had released in the same year, you would not think the same...LOL
So delusional...LOL

[Silber]

The PS3 is indeed very powerful, but you shoud not listen to the Console-Nazis at Tecmo. With Itagaki there where Xboxers and with the news Staff they are PS3 Users.

You soud not listen to such balbla statements. Tecmo did not even crate titels that will perfectly use the PS3 Power as Killzone or Uncharted did.

[stonecold3]

little big planet would never be done on xbox and here it is coming to psp and grantursimo on psp has more cars to the forza and xbox is not in the same leaugue as ps3 as of in out ps3 will be leaping ahead in games and graphics and even developers have stated the xbox is already pushed to the max ps3 is the most powerful console this gen xbox 1 was powerful than ps2 but the tables have turned this time ps3 is more powerful than xbox 360

[robotnik]

It's the best console.

[divideby0]

Rockstar, Tecmo.....all agree about the PS3...

[memots]

Hmmm do you guys need really a gaming developers to tell you that for you to believe it?

This is not news .. We all know it

I say this to tecmo. "No sh1t point dexter" ..

[DuneBuggy]

Which one has more horsepower doesnt matter if few are utilizing it.
How many multiplats on the PS3 are truely judged superior? How many have you read about that are not?

I just read that the Ghostbuster game has a edge with the 360 graphics wise,and it is the "ported" version!
Does that mean the Xbox has more power?? Nope.

I dont know about the future,but right now I havent seen anything on either system that I felt the other couldnt pull it off.

[gameman]

.....TEH 360 IS BETTER IS MULTI GAMES!!!

[Djinn]

no

[BYE]

Since Itagaki left them, they are starting to make some sense.

[Father Murder X]

I have both systems and game on both systems. The point you all need to realize is that Ps3 exclusives do look better but not by alot. Like someone else said before the average person will see the games and not notice any major differences. How is it the end of the day for Microsoft when they are killing Sony in sales? That is the bottom line people. MS has created a platform where games can be made quickly and put out on the streets to make money.

All these graphic power houses don't seem to sell that well on the PS3. Look at Left For Dead. Graphics suck but it still outsold the all mighty Killzone 2. Uncharted had to be packed in to generate sales with its beautiful graphics. The public has spoken and they don't care about graphics. Heavenly Sword, Lair, Resistance 2, Lbp, Killzone 2 are all beautiful games that flopped in sells. Bottom line you guys can not twist this around.

We are the hardcore gamers. We are the ones who get the system when it hit the streets. We are in a minority people!! We are the gamers who wouldn't be caught dead with a Wii but apparently 50 million people like it and the graphics suck.

My favorite PS3 game MLB the Show 2009 on the Ps3. Talk about graphics powerhouse!! But the gameplay is awesome as well. Graphics should be the icing on the cake not the cake itself.

[DuneBuggy]

Thats worth a bubble Father.Good post.

I know ive mentioned this here before,but historically the graphics king is never the victor in the end.
Atari 2600 killed the Intelivision and Colecovision which were SUPERIOR in graphics.
The NES smoked its rivals.
The PS1 and 2 dominated.

[DARK WITNESS]

wow....

three years later and people still want to fanboy fight over this, lol!

[SmOkInSkUlL87]

Developers will be more willing to pursue the true power of the playstation 3 when the install base gets a lot bigger. 2 to 3 years i give it before devs decide that they are going to get something back from the ps3 as exclusives.

This generation is getting held back by Microsofts dvd9 format. Don't get me wrong the specs of the system are half decent but in my view dvd format is the main culprit. Xbox and multiplats ftl. :o(

[asyouburn]

ninja gaiden sigma on ps3 ran at 1080p, and ninja gaiden 2 on 360 ran at 585p. nuff said. http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[Rainne]

It is dumb to compare NGS and NG because NGS is NG that extra time has been invested into for improvements. It is suppose to be better. That is like comparing a older computer with a recent one. Of course the new one will be better because of the improvements made.

[Perkel]

ninja gaiden sigma look almost the same as NG2 and runs faster (60fps) with 1080p .. ninja gaiden sigma is a remake not a port..

[BrownPowerzz]

just bring the price down so I can buy one!

[gameman]

no??

[Senden]

Japanese console the most powerful says the Japanese developer. Everyone knows the Japs are a bunch of Xenophobes so that doesn't exactly come as a suprise. PS3 probably is the most powerful but i've yet to see one game that has done those claims justice so until then, I couldn't give a monkey's left testicle.

[tee_bag242]

Whats the big secret.. PS3 is more powerful than the 360 - GET OVER IT!!
but 360's online is still (which im trying to understand why) whooping ass.

[-chaz-]

It's online is better because MS actually had foresight to dump a buttload of money into building out their network in 2004....which is also why it is a pay service.

[Grown Folks Talk]

there no longer needs to be any Gears on the PS3 articles. Seeing as how Quantum is Gears & Ninja Gaiden mixed together.

[The_Zeitgeist]

It is not gears of war. It's style might not go over so well with the adolescent meat heads that gears caters towards.

[Grown Folks Talk]

watched different videos. The gun icon, the cover system, the character style...

[Dmitry Orlov]

move along now

[PS360PCROCKS]

Yup thank god for power, it sure saved the xbox!!

[ico92]

wait wait looking at you're name........is a wii fanboy critisizing ps3 graphics?

[Rowsdower]

what we dont seem to know is why despite all of its amazing attributes that it is the last place console of this generation, in terms of sales, while the least powerful console of this generation is in first.

I'm sure there is a lesson in that.

[TheDeadMetalhead]

Telling us all what we already know.

Now go make an awesome Ninja game. :3

[ak1200]

The PS3 is the third fastest selling console in history - only behind the Greatest console in history, the PS2, and the Wii.

The PS3 sold as many consoles worldwide as the 360 did in all of 2008 while being 200 dollars more expensive.

The PS3 has already kicked the 360 to last place in both Japan and Europe despite the 360 being out for an extra year in Japan and a year and a half in Europe.

PS3 has the best games and will always have the best games ,slightly 1 sided but i couldnt givva . . .

[Rainne]

According to the comments being made, PS3 is the best because of the power it has compared to the 360. So are you saying the XBOX last gen was better than the PS2? To say which games is better, just depend on taste but on power everyone can agree on the PS3..... sooo XBOX > PS2 as the better last gen console?

[ak1200]

I bought a cystal xbox whilst i had the ps2 beacause it had more power it was the selling point 4me, the biult in HDD and games on offer were good and looked great however shortly after when i went to my local games store they were gone lol microsoft stoped supporting it.
Id do think the original xbox was better but the ps2 won hands down for games not graphics.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

We learned that with the wii.....Itagaki tokyo vikings will be backed by sony...I said it first

[Figboy]

it hurts too much knowing that i won't get to play it until next year...damn you, Team Ico! why are your games so amazing???

anyway, on topic, no sh*t the PS3 is the most powerful console.

hell, HEAVENLY SWORD has quite possibly the best motion capture and facial animation of any game released this generation so far (even Uncharted, although Uncharted has better detail and texture work).

show me a 360 game that matches Heavenly Sword, let alone Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank Future (nobody said Banjo and Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts looked like a Pixar movie), MGS4, and Killzone 2.

and Uncharted 2 and God of War 3 will, literally, be exploding retinas when they release in the near future.

the Playstation 3 is a beast. and it's proven it over and over again since 2007. it IS nice to see people finally coming around to it.

i remember in early 2007 people said, "the proof is in the pudding," and "well, if the PS3 is more powerful than the 360, when where are the games that showcase it?" well, here you are.

now the shoe is on the other foot, and PS3 fans are asking, if the 360 is capable of doing a game that looks as good as Killzone 2, and MGS4, and Uncharted (1 and 2), WHERE are they?

Alan Wake? no. Splinter Cell: Conviction? no. good-looking games to be sure, but they simply don't match the level of detail in animation, textures, facial capture, and level detail as the top PS3 exclusives.

even inFAMOUS, an open world sandbox game has more detail and things going on at once than most linear, non-sandbox games.

the 360 is a good console, but, just like the Xbox outclassed the PS2 in terms of processing power, the PS3 outclasses the 360. and it has the GAMES to prove it (the problem with the original Xbox is that it didn't have as many games that were truly taking advantage of the hardware. the PS2 won because it had the most games, with the majority being exclusives, and the exclusives, like FFXII, MGS3, and God of War 2 REALLY blew people away with the PS2's potential).

[Bishop]

Was the last truly great system. Now its all about graphics without substance or story. I don't think I care for the direction the video game industry has taken but I am probably just living in the past. As far as which system has better graphics at this point the differences are so minuscule that it really doesn't matter to me. I will play good 360 games and I will play good PS3 games and hell if the mood hits me I may even a good Wii game. Many of you argue over graphics and system specs and so on but really all that matters to me is the games. It was the same when the NES came out as it was when the PS3 arrived, it is always about the games.

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

it not like ps2 vs original xbox comparisons .....

[ak1200]

And guess who has the most and the best games
Amphibian Man
Demon Souls
Free Realms
Last Rebillion (RPG)
The Wall
Uncharted 2
Big Time Revenge
EyePet
Fat Princess
Flower
Heavy Rain
inFamous
Katamari Forever
Killzone 2
L.A. Noire
MAG: Massive Action Game
Metro 2033: The Last Refuge
MLB: The Show ‘09
National Geographic: Africa
Nobi Nobi Boy
Rag Doll Kung Fu: Fists of Plastic
Ratchet & Clank Future 2: A Crack In Time
Savage Moon
SingStar Vol. 3
SuperCar Challenge
The Punisher: No Mercy
WarDevil: Unleash the Beast Within
White Knight Chronicles
Way of the Samurai 3
X-Edge
Yakuza 3
Uncharted Waters (MMORPG) (2009 Japan)
White Album (2009 Japan)
Gran Turismo 5 (Sept. 25th ’09 Japan)
Quantum Theory (2009 Japan)
Trinity Universe (’09 Japan)
Trinity: Zill O’ll Zero (’09 Japan)

[The_Zeitgeist]

Why are you fanboys still touting White Knight? Have you seen the reviews from Japan. Just shut up and play. Be a gamer.

National Geographic? WTF!

[PLAYSTATIONGENRATION]

if they hate it in japan we usually love it in America

[Figboy]

and i can vouch for it's quality.

if you like Level 5's previous RPGs, you'll love White Knight. it refines everything from previous Level 5 games, and wraps it in some excellent visuals, and a cool battle system.

the only downside is that it's in Japanese, and it's getting more complicated, so i have to use a guide to start playing around with the weapon, item, and armor crafting system.

it belongs in a list of the top upcoming Playstation 3 games, because the Japanese version is quality all the way.

[DaTruth]

I don't give a damn how many good games a system has! I just need the system with the six best games in the genre's I like, as I only play six games a year. Luckily I bought a PS3 and it has the six best games every year. Also, PS3 doesn't wait until Fall to release all it's quality games, they are nicely spaced out!

[Crystallis]

This shouldnt even be a debate. We All know the ps3 is a better more powerful system. I dont know why its so hard for 360 fanboys to see it.

[N2NOther]

Yeah, and?

[keysy420]

i have to say that as tech improves and so does the cost of games the ps3 in its 5th and 6th year will do some amazing stuff

[keysy420]

true witness the last gen xbox was more powerful but the ps2 had a funny architechture like the ps3 that allows you to tweak and do more stuff so games like god of war 1 and 2 look better than anything on xbox 1

[knucklebusster]

:(