RPGFan: White Knight Chronicles Review

RPGFan has the first english review of the highly anticipated PS3 RPG. Here's what they have to say:

"Reviewers and game writers of all stripes love to pontificate about trends and 'shifts' of all sorts when talking about specific genres or generations. RPG's are no exception, as many have suggested that the most recent generation of consoles is seeing the rise of western RPGs and the fading of traditional Japanese role-playing games. With Mass Effect, Fable II, Fallout 3, and Oblivion all outshining the likes of Lost Odyssey and The Last Remnant, many are wondering if we have merely seen a string of sub-par games, or if JRPG's are on their way out.

Many gamers, myself included, waited with baited breath for White Knight Chronicles to come out and give PS3 owners something to cheer about. Both the system and the genre could use a white knight in shining armor to come and save them, and with every other game being sequel number four or thirteen, the fact that WKC is an original franchise does not hurt. An original and superb PS3 title is just the game we have all been waiting for."

[creeping judas]

oh oh??

I'll still get it when it's released.

[locos85]

Me too. Looks interesting

[Chris399]

Level 5 has yet to disappoint me with any of their titles.

Oh, and any of the "issues" that the reviewer mentioned could be fixed for the North American release. Seems kinda dense to review a game for the NA audience that hasn't been localized yet.

The reviewer really seemed like he was reaching for flaws. Vesperia, Eternal Sonata, Infinite Undiscovery, Last Remnant, all JRPGs this gen really have been uninspired.

"It makes no fatal mistakes, but possesses no great virtues," says the reviewer.

I'm sorry, but have any of the games that I've just listed really redefined the genre or done anything groundbreaking?

Oh, and his other complaint that your characters don't feel powerful enough and the comparisons to Star Ocean and FF are a little odd. Do you want the game to try something different (which, by his opinion it did not), or do you want just another JRPG?

He then goes on to praise the online component.

Confused people are confusing.

P.S. Bubbles and agrees for the top two posters. WHO ARE THE PHANTOM DISAGREES? Don't post unless you have something to say. A fly-by "disagree" is an act of cowardice.

[morganfell]

Just remember the Japanese press gave it a similar score and the public still snapped it up.

[Agent VX]

Ouch!!!

I never had high hopes for this game, it just looked like another generic boring JRPG.

This game will do good in Japan, but that is about it. This title will bomb in North America and not do very good numbers in Europe.

Well, another JRPG that didn't live up to anything, just have to wait until FF arrives, I guess?

[TheTwelve]

...I'll buy it, of course, because JRPGs are my favorite genre of games but I'm afraid this won't be what I thought it was.

Look at their other reviews for PS3 RPGS...they are very accurate, perhaps except for their overly-high score for Enchanted Arms. I mean, Enchanted Arms is better than WKC? Really?

I believe that the reason why there is no release date in NA is so that Level 5 can fix things up based on the Japanese run. Once they are ready, we'll see a release date. Hope it gets here before Christmas.

12

[TheTwelve]

Look:

http://www.rpgfan.com/revie...

Ok, so this game is only 4 points better than Untold Legends? What the HECK?

12

[TheTwelve]

Oh, and Agent--- Valkyrie Chronicles remains the only JRPG truly worthy of being called next-gen so far. That game didn't let anyone down.

12

[Hiruma Youchi]

"Valkyrie Chronicles remains the only JRPG truly worthy of being called next-gen so far"

because it scored 90+ its really next gen? so other games like:

Folklore and tales arent next gen?

12 youre crazy.

its like saying well since Motostorm2 dint score 90+ its not to be called a next gen racer! Nigga PLEASE!

[TheTwelve]

Yep. Because Valkyrie Chronicles is the only JRPG that feels like it isn't a polished PS2 game.

Folklore, much as I like the game, is barely an RPG at all.

12

[Light Yagami]

LOL! Look at all the sony fans. Remember when you called all JRPGs on the 360 a flop? This bite you all in the ass.

[Beast_Master]

You do realize this game has already sold more units just in Japan, than any 360 JRPG has sold world wide? Even if it flops out at a mere 500,000 units sold in the rest of the world it will be far from a flop.

[Arnon]

No.. pretty sure Lost Odyssey has sold more.

[orakga]

I know I'll get some disagrees for this, but WKC was actually very disappointing for me too. I played it for a while, expecting to spend most of January on the game, but I ended up selling it because I... just couldn't stand it anymore (note: Xenogears is my fav. RPG of all time, so please don't accuse me of being anti-JRPG or something)

I think this review (the one posted) is VERY fair. It does raise most of the concerns (and praises) I had, quite thoroughly.

Hopefully, Demon's Soul won't disappoint (although it's more action-ish and JRPG-ish). I am glad I had it mail ordered before it was sold out. =)

Cheers,

[La Chance]

nothing new overhere

Sony fanboys made themselves look stupid again as usual.

[morganfell]

Light Yagami, Beast Master just pwned you with that fact.

[InMyOpinion]

Though you guys were all about "quality > quantity". Now I see you preaching sales instead lol!

[RememberThe357]

It was the Light guy who brought up sales, but you go ahead and pretend that didn't happen.

[vhero]

sorry but review scores and RPG's never match quite right for me. Low scoring RPG's are usually the best and high scorers are usually poor with a few exceptions.

[Armyless]

...

[hazeblaze]

Yea, I'll still get it but my expectations have been drastically lowered. It seems like it had potential to be so much more. I really don't care about any of his criticisms except the ones concerning magic... that's a big part of rpg's for me. The thing that took getting used to the most when playing Fallout 3 was the lack of any spells! That's also the reason I still like Oblivion better.

[JoySticksFTW]

we all know the types of scores PS3 exclusives reel in

LOL KZ2 a 7/10 from Edge. puh-leeze...

[Spike47]

thats the only thing that matters, sales, isn't that right my fellow xbox360 fanboys?

[BLUR111]

You was one of those bragging about PS2 sells when the Xbox came out.

Now... who is laughing now?

[ultimolu]

BLUR...wow, just wow.

[BLUR111]

I was just pointing out Hypocrisy

[TheColbertinator]

@blur

Hypocrisy? lol There is so damn much on this site,its amazing

[Ryuk]

-.-

Spike47 = facepencil//

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

"You was one of those bragging about PS2 sells when the Xbox came out."

This site didn't even exist at that point in time. What are you talking about?

[BLUR111]

yeah I guess fanboys started when N4G was created

WOW just wow

[n to the b]

well there certainly are a lot but no the phenomenon prob began before n4g.

[sak500]

LOL now sales are important?? DROIDS comeon atleast stick to one side.

[Gue1]

I can't believe nobody understood the sarcasm in Spike47's comment... Colbot and the other bots are really getting sensitive. LoL

[gamfreak]

i'm getting it when english version is released.

[Gue1]

Me too. This game looks amazing!

[rucky]

Hmmm this seems like the only "average" rpg I'm dying to get my hands on. Read the review and there weren't really any issues mentioned that's deal breaking for me.

@below Yep and the cliched story and whatnot. Like I said it's my feeling about the my expectations on the game. I played Shadow Madness back in the days. Am I ashamed of it? No, why cause I play anything I choose to play?

[aspergersyndrome]

Did you really read the review?

What about the fact the game ends on a cliffhanger and has no guarantee of a sequal, not to mention the poor story leading up to that point.

[Canidae]

Same here, the issues mentioned were negligible to me, such as the lack of overall MP. To me that's a non-issue since it adds a sense of realism (I mean it would be too easy if you could just go around spamming magic/White Knight form). Same thing with the slow casting, which imo adds another level of realism (played FFXI for years, and slow casting just meant you had to think strategically).

The only issue that concerns me is the enemy being able to attack through walls/floors, but thankfully that's a patchable issue, so hopefully it will be taken care of before the US release.

[Doomster1971]

Peoples opinions. If I took reviews as gospel then I'd never have enjoyed games like: fokelore, lost odyssey, last remnant, blue dragon and so on. None of those games got great scores but I loved them. Mind you I'm a bit on the fence with killzone 2. It got great scores just like gta4 and the demo is great but gta4 disappointed me. No way it was worth a 10 out of 10. Perhaps I've just played so much shooters over the years though which is why I'm still on the fence (Doom is still the best).

[thor]

It's sad.

The game never really looked that promising - and all the fanboys were getting hyped up about it based on a few lacklustre screenshots and the developer's track record.

It's a decent RPG, but I LOL at all the people saying "I'm definitely getting this game it sounds great" - when they diss the 360's RPGs and are only getting this because there are very few JRPGs worth owning on PS3.

They ignored the famitsu review, but a review by RPGFan seems to hold a lot of weight to me. It's a good game. But it's easily lost against a sea of just-slightly-better-than-good RPGs on the 360.

[Chris399]

Vesperia was Tales of the Abyss in HD - with great characters, but an ENORMOUSLY boring storyline.

Eternal Sonata is on both platforms (enhanced on the PS3).

Lost Odyssey was good, despite a few technical hitches.

Blue Dragon was decidedly average.

I've played every RPG on the 360 and pretty much everything except LO came across as "meh".

The JRPG lineup on the 360 is certainly 'full', but not 'satisfying'. If Star Ocean turns out to be a dud, my sole reason for purchasing a 360 (JRPGs) is basically moot.

P.S. Famitsu gave Haze a 34/40. People need to stop referencing them, as they do not have any clue what they are doing.

[pumpkinpunker]

"The JRPG lineup on the 360 is certainly 'full', but not 'satisfying'. If Star Ocean turns out to be a dud, my sole reason for purchasing a 360 (JRPGs) is basically moot."

LO is the best next-gen, straight up JRPG out there and it's developer Mistwalker is financially backed by Microsoft. LO was also successful and has sold the most worldwide of any HD JRPG so far this gen. You don't think Mistwalker is working on a sequel or new IP as we speak? MS is not just giving up on JRPGs after Star Ocean so you may want to hang onto your 360.

Also, try Fable 2 or Mass Effect if you like RPGs. Even if you're a obsessive Japan-ophile with a Anime wall papered bedroom and think RPGs begin and end with Japan you may be pleasantly surprised. My roommate was.

[Pennywise]

At the end of the day, WKC is hard to recommend for people who are looking for a good offline stand-alone adventure. Even where the game innovates, specifically the battle and avatar systems, the game slips up by improperly balancing damage and incentives and making the player-created character totally inconsequential. The story campaign is easily completed in 25 to 30 hours, so really the game makes an excellent rental. If it’s online gaming that you are focused on, add a few points to my final score and have at it. I suspect there will be some patches and changes for the North American release, and if they address even some of the problems mentioned here, you will have a very worthwhile game. Ultimately I think the franchise has potential. Nevertheless, it’s still very skip-able for people with a long backlog of games to get into.

Well, I guess since I am looking for an online RPG add a couple points and I should be happy with this game. Plus, we all know it will be updated by the time it comes to NA.

[RPG Guy]

Seriously, they need to get them some better writers. I've heard this a few times about this game now and it was a major issue with Rogue Galaxy, making that game's progression a bit tedius. I haven't play WKC and WILL give it a shot, but this is downing to say the least.

One thing, RPG nuts like myself can't take that "numbers" complaint seriously after FFVIII and FFXII. First off, the magic of FFVIII outside of meltdown truly became useless outside of junction by disc 3, so no complaining about just using combos and attacks RPG Fan! Plus, if you're going to get annoyed over the uselessness of the Knight and it's comsumption of AP, um....FFXII summoning anyone? Double standards = questionable logic. Still, I trust RPG Fan, but those two things are a little questionable, especially since he says long time Role-Players like me are supposed to know this is a bad thing, even though good games do it.

This, FFXIII (my demo comes in April!) and Star Ocean make for a good RPG year.

[blackpanther25]

I agree with you magic was totally useless in FFVIII (i just spamed summons until the end of the game not jk). Don't even talk FFXII, there is no need for summons when you can spam the limits and they even do more damage (i can spam 35 limits in a battle at one go).

[RPG Guy]

Quickenings against main game bosses made the game far too easy. Still, against the likes of Yaizmat, Omega Mark XII and Zodiarc (though there's a fun 25 second way to beat him) it was just hack city.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

I've played it.

A 70???

That's terrible! I'd give it at least a 9. This game is awesome!

[Jerk120]

WHITE KNIGHT SUCKICLES.

LOL.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

How long did it take you to come up with that one?

[ultimolu]

Must have taken him a pretty long time.
I'm still getting the game regardless.

If you allow scores to get in the way of purchasing games, then you are one sad individual.

[aspergersyndrome]

If you allow lots of bullshit stories about the RROD to get in the way of purchasing a 360 and enjoying better RPG's, then you are one sad individual.

[ultimolu]

And if you allow one game such as White Knight Chronicles get in the way of buying a PS3, then you are a sad individual.

I'm sorry but my reasons for not buying a 360 as of right now is justifiable and if you have a problem with it, then I believe you should just get over it. :D And please keep in mind that I am not the *only* one who refuses to touch a 360 unless Microsoft completely, and I mean COMPLETELY fixes the problem.

And if you smack disagree buttons randomly because you do not like an individual or their comments, then you are nothing but a child.

[Obama]

Valkyria Chronicles is better than ALL 360 exclusive jrpgs combined, so there's no point of getting a firebox really.

[Snake Raiser]

"Valkyria Chronicles is better than ALL 360 exclusive jrpgs combined, so there's no point of getting a firebox really. "
I know! What is wrong with people? Any true gamer would enjoy that game. It doesn't look so appealing at first, but after you get into it it is very good.

[n to the b]

*clears throat* lots of people use game reviews as a tool to help decide if a game is purchase-worthy.

as for WKC, gotta say again I thought the 1st video I saw looked gorgeous/awesome. until the main character went into Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers mode with that g@y Super White Knight transformation crap.

[n to the b]

jrpg = unsophisticated DragonballZ-style drivel for small children, for the most part. altho I heard Persona is really cool... but yeah, I'm sick of jrpgs it's western rpgs for me all the way now.

[tatotiburon]

well no more "the RPG of this generation" and remember the articles "Level 5 the new Square Enix"? LMAO...

Another avg JRPG, nothing more.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

There won't be...sadly.

You should play this game though. It's amazing!!! Why listen to reviews?

If we all listened to reviews, we'd all be playing Halo 3 right now...instead of other, better games.

[N4PS3G]

well..whats wrong with halo 3?

I still play it online and it rocks

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

What's wrong with Halo 3?

I can't believe you're asking that question.

[Man_of_the_year]

Here i will ask it then - what is wrong with Halo 3?

What is so bad about it that takes it away from gameplay over graphics?

The art style is great and the the gameplay is even better...so again, why don't you back up your "oppinion" with something actaully wrong with the game.

[Arnon]

I haven't found anything wrong with Halo 3 either..

[RememberThe357]

The graphics where crap, the gameplay was average, the Story was forgettable, and it wasn't really an upgrade from Halo 2. But in all fairness I had a good time with Halo 3 and I'm glad I played it.

The problem I have with the Halo series is that it never lives up to my expectations. I love the Halo universe but the games are never deep enough for me and they always take the story in weird directions. I'm really looking foreword to Halo: ODST though, I like the direction it seems to be going in.

[Man_of_the_year]

Your views are opinionated and thus are subjective - it would appear that the industry doesn't see eye to eye with you since Halo3 has a 94 metacritic score.

Its funny how you say you hate the graphics, story and gameplay but yet say you love the Halo universe....

You comments hold no argument and thus cannot be taken serious and into account.

[-EvoAnubis-]

It's a buy. Why are we still debating this? Level 5 makes a RPG, you buy it. Period. I don't see why this is something that needs to be discussed.

[-EvoAnubis-]

How can you argue with fact? Japan seemed to have no trouble figuring this out. Level 5 made it, they bought it. Beginning, middle, end.

Looks like some of you need to catch up.

[creamydingle]

Its been getting average reviews everywhere but has been selling like crazy in japan. Make what you will of this.

[Cheeseknight28]

I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say that they wanted to buy any RPG they can get, even if it is mediocre (I'm not saying WKC is, because I have yet to play it).

It's a shame really, you would think that the PS3 would have more above average RPGs than it does considering the PS2's legacy. At least Valkyria Chronicles was great. I've heard good things about Folklore too, but I haven't got around to playing it.

[TheColbertinator]

Great score.I can't wait to pick it up.This game will rock

[DA_SHREDDER]

Ive seen vids of this game in action and it looks awesome. Not only does it stick with traditional rpg elements, but its the first true rpg Ive seen on either a ps3 or 360. All of you bots can gripe all you want, this game was made for true rpg fans. Unlike Star Ocean, it seems like it has good pacing, with not too much stuff going on the screen at the same time.

This game gives me the feeling I used to get when I played rpgs' that were good back in the day. FF4, Dragon Warrior 4, with a little of Xenogears in it. Im glad Level 5 are making games for us, instead of making games that only the western immature audience would want. Thats what triace and Squeenix is for. Leave the real rpg's to people who actually want to make a good ones.

OH and btw. Another good action rpg Ive seen is Demon's Souls. That game looks amazing. I consider it the new and improved oblivion, but with great gameplay. Not only does it play good, but the graphics are ridiculous. Those of you that don't know, you can get the game translated in english at playasia.com . I recomend that game to anyone who has a ps3 and loves action rpgs. And yes, they even speak english, its not just the text thats english. Gotta love the no region locks on our ps3's.

[blackpanther25]

they speak English or Engrish?

Just wanna make sure before i buy the game. I don't want to be like that japanese movies With cowboys and sh!t and they speak bad english

[djtek184]

will be picking this up

[Azures]

It really seems to me this is a classic rpg adventure, but doesn't try to do much different. Which RPGs are under no responsibility to do lol.

Just give a good story and combat system, everything else is just fluff.

[Wife Of The Bad Guy]

How do they have the first English review of the game if there isn't an English review build?

Absolutely pathetic.

[kevnb]

they do this all the time, being a rpg website.

[TheColbertinator]

He is right.RPGfan has several Japanese writers and has reviewed imported copies before.They gave Valkyria Chronicles(Import) a 95% and Persona 4(Import) a 90%

[JD_Shadow]

Actually, 95% was the score they gave VC for it's DOMESTIC review. There's a different review when they imported the game, and on THAT one, it got a lower score (88%). And the person that did the VC import review did this one. Not sure if this was an oversight on your part or something else.

[tehk1w1]

Some English speaking people also speak and read Japanese.

Just a thought.

[kevnb]

I usually trust their reviews too, level 5 is capable of so much better. Then again they did release Rogue Galaxy...

[Homicide]

Yep and the reviewer said the story is way worse than Rogue Galaxy. That puts me off.

[wanderofys]

I agree as well. Level 5 is not some kind of amazing rpg developer and I have NO IDEA where ANYONE got this impression.

rpgfan is my personal most trusted website for rpg reviews (it's one of 5 websites I visit everyday), and I have no reason to doubt them on this one. I love my PS3, but I might pass on this one. Face it, even if the PS3 has more and better exclusives, it doesn't mean that every one of them is going to be golden. Look forward to the new Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner game instead, that series hasn't failed me yet (and PS2, even!)

[RememberThe357]

Still have it. So, It it's anything like that I'll be straight.

[TheColbertinator]

I was actually talking with a few acquaintances that I know in Japan.When I asked most of them what happened with WKC,they said it felt rushed or incomplete.This might make sense because for the longest time WKC was a single player game.I think Sony Japan wanted to emulate the success of Monster Hunter which is a co-op game that the Japanese enjoy so they forced Level 5 to make the game online.The problem is that Level 5 has no experience with online games hence the voice chat issues.

Will I buy this game? Sure simply because I always find Level 5 games to be underrated.However it looks JRPGs are running out of time to stand out anymore.If SO4 and FFXIII cannot rise to the challenge,the western gamers will stop caring for the genre.

[ultimolu]

I'm still buying it too but I'm having that feeling that WKC should have stayed single player.

[TheColbertinator]

Yeah.It was just a marketing decision.For that I blame Sony Japan as they most likely pushed it after Monster Hunter 2nd G destroyed Japanese sales charts for a few months

[ultimolu]

That really sucks then. :/

[sinny]

Yes, i agree RPGs should be Single player. I will buy the game anyways, i loved what i played of it in a friend's house.
But i found funny that the reviewer talks like the MP is the best part of the game when that part should be the rushed one.
Also, idk what happend to this guy eyes, but WKC is the best looking RPG out there after VC.

[godkiller]

Ok his entitled to his opinion , but I hate reviewers that don't review a game fully.I am on my third playthrough, after rebirth at leval 50 . The multiplayer rocks I am guild rank 12, there is so much downloaded quests. And there will be a sequal it's a bloody trilogy. God I hate crap reviewers that don't do there job proberly , plus the japanese love it.

[Foxgod]

Wow, Rpg fan generally gives high scores to rpg's.
Since they are rpg freaks, i visit their site very often, and i rarely seen a high profile rpg score this bad....

[pumpkinpunker]

Tales of Vesperia - 86%
Lost Odyssey - 85%
Last Remnant - 79%
Infinite Undiscovery - 80%
Blue Dragon - 84%
Mass Effect - 90%
Fable 2 - 91%
Too Human - 66%
Fallout 3 - 95%

They're usually pretty dead on. Although, Mass Effect is better than Fable 2 and deserves a 95%. Fable 2 should be something like 88% just because the end boss was a joke and the ending altogether was sort of meh in my opinion. Fallout 3 is over-rated but RPGfan seems to have a boner for Bethesda.

[Foxgod]

Another reason to NOT buy a ps3.
Star Ocean here i come.

[Spike47]

You are a complete ignorant fanboy. For me there isn't anything that makes me not want to buy an xbox360. When Too Human came out and flopped I didn't say" Another reason not to buy an xbox360". You have no logic, something that xbox360 fanboys like you lack a lot these days.

[JD_Shadow]

Looking at this site's other reviews, it seems like there's some interesting scores they've given. Nothing that's too far from the norm, but it seems as if the person that gave this review is kind of harsh and expects a LOT out of a game.

I checked Valkyria Chronicles' score on the site, and it's rather interesting. The same guy that did that review did this one, and the game got two completely different scores. Clark (the same guy who did WKC's import review) did the import review for VC, in which then it got an 88%. However, when it was released in NA, a different reviewer did the domestic review, John P. Hussey, and it got a 95%.

Just something I think people should consider before going into fanboy riot mode.

@ph3lid below: It's obvious you don't like anything PS3, so why are you trolling if you're going to say the same damn thing every single time you comment? Go troll somewhere else.

Oh, and KZ2 an overhyped shooter? Are you sure you saw KZ2, or did you see Too Human? (see what I did there?)

[Ryuk]

Now what do we have here?? So much hype..but so little delivered. And you thought this was gonna be a better game then star oceans?? Looks like your white knight fail just rode its a$$ off into the sunset.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Is this about the Killzone 2 demo?

I know...I know. Don't worry though...Gears of War 3 will come out eventually and it will look really good. It won't look as good as Killzone 2, but it will look good. That's all that matters, right?

Play White Knight Chronicles and then knock it. I didn't knock Gears of War 2 until I tried it. (Loved it, by the way)

You're dismissing it because it's a PS3 game. Are you telling me that inferior developers have chosen to develop on the PS3? That doesn't make logical sense...at all.

Why am I even responding to this?

It's like talking to a 6 year old.

[Ryuk]

1st of all...wash yo damn hands.
2nd...what the hell are you talking about? Or has your cell chip completely fried in that droid mind of yours? If i'm 6 then you must be unborn lmfao

[Arnon]

I'm sorry but that last comment from Ryuk was one of the funniest comments I have read on this site.

[Ryuk]

Thank you thank you, I'll be here all night :D
Be on the lookout for my DVD, "how to make a droid cry" lmao
Bubbles to ya Arnon

[ph3lid]

yeah of course, everything will be different in the US release.

.. or maybe it's just another average PS3 exclusive.

i saw the KZ2 demo today at a friends house and OMG! this is one overhyped shooter.

and now after KZ2, Uncharted 2 will be the best game ever .. i know.

lol, so sad.

[blackpanther25]

don't hate. I don't see why people get excited about singleplayer. I mean have you looked up the multiplayer aspect. I mean its as beefed ups as say COD4, Battlefield (2, 2142, Bad company), and etc. It is a complex pc multiplayer game placed onto a console (that was why COD4 was so likable)

[Kyur4ThePain]

You should stop "seeing" games and start playing them.
You could be in for a pleasant surprise.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

There's no way you saw the KZ2 demo on an HDTV.

Either that or you're in denial.

Do you want to tell me Crysis looks like crap too?

[Arnon]

Did he say anything about the graphics being bad? No.. they're phenomenal..

But, I am pretty sure no one would give a damn about Killzone 2 if it weren't for the graphics.. it would probably be a unknown title to the mass public just like Disgaea 3 is.

[kodiak]

Another flop 29/40 and now 7/10 only on flopstation3

lol

poor playslaves
360 still the best in jrpgs and playflop3 still sh!t

[Queers of War]

infinite undiscovery flopped
last remnant flopped....badly

best in jrpgs? dont f*ckin kid yourself

[Obama]

The bots here don't play rpgs. All 360 jrpg flopped one way or another, with the exception of TOV, which is coming to the ps3 with extra content.

[ultimolu]

Wow...and I still reckon that the scores it got so far is far better than the scores of Infinite Undiscovery and Last Remnant. :o

Still didn't stop the Japanese from playing it.

[kodiak]

lol
playslaves are in panic now
Lost Odyssey, tales of Vesperia and Blue Dragon are far way better than white knight flop 29/40 70/100

and valkyria flop sales, probably because the game suck

cry me a river... this game stinks monkeys ass

in your face playslaves. Flopstation3 suck at jrpg

[ultimolu]

Because you've played it, right?

Quit while you're ahead junior. You're trying too hard. :/

[kodiak]

come, eat it, this game suck and flopstation3 suck at jrpgs, you know this.
There are many good jrpgs on xbox360 like tales, lost odyssey and blue dragon, but in ps3 you just got poor jrpgs with downscores

flop flap flip dib dob deb flop flop flop

[ultimolu]

Stop trying already!
You're not pissing anyone off! >:P

[Arnon]

Hmm... pretty sure that Last Remnant isn't an exclusive. Not sure why you guys are using that lolz.

[JD_Shadow]

1. You're a f#cking IDIOT!
2. This guy reviewed an IMPORT (and I think everyone that's commenting on here really needs to realize that). Go on the site and pull up the VC review, and then compare that game's import review to its domestic review on the site. It tells a lot (though I don't expect too many people to really take the time and common sense to LOOK at that). It would also say that the reviewer is harsh on a lot of games and that a different reviewer on the site could get the domestic review and like the game a lot more.
3. You're a f#cking IDIOT!

[Hiruma Youchi]

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ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO FLIP IT AND SAY THAT RPGFAN DONT KNOW HOW TO REVIEW RPGS? LMAO

WHITE KNIGHT ISNT ALL OF THAT AFTER ALL! GET AT ME B!TCHES!

[Obama]

Even if WKC is average, VC is still a lot better than all of the 360 jrpg combined, bot.

[Chemical]

the best JRPG this generation so far is Lost Odyssey.
It's a standard JRPG that everyone is accustomed to.

Not a lot of people like VC.

[Obama]

No, everybody who has played VC like it. check the gamefaq reviews, it's all 9 and 10. As for LO, many people don't like it hence why it gets like a 78 meta.

VC > LO in reviews and users review. Stop trying to spin the fact. You are stupid enough to put a 78 average game up against the masterpiece VC.

[Hiruma Youchi]

well looks like ill have to keep playing Tales Of vesperia meta 83%+
and maybe get one of my friends to buy Valkyria instead of ..... WKS

[pumpkinpunker]

It's better than TOV.

[OGharryjoysticks]

WOW! Now that was a jewel. Sucks it hasn't caught on like it should have because I have to put it up there with All-time greats.

[creeping judas]

Yes Valkyria is a gem, but it's definatly not for the masses.

[lonestarmt]

or persona 4 , or ar tonelico 2. Its sad though persona 4 prob going to be the most underrated game this year.

[sealion88]

This generation i have become a FPS nut.

[OGharryjoysticks]

White Knight is a case of development started too early and got too far along when tech in the industry got better and before they could make the right changes they would have had to scrap tons of work.

It's a rare case but it happens

[specialguest]

When it comes to RPGs, a score of a 7 will not deter me from playing it. On the other hand, if an action game or a FPS got a 7, it goes on my ignore list.

[lonestarmt]

yup considering how harsh western reviews are on JRPG. This review won't stop me. He complained how the single player was too linear. Well I never have a problem with that. He took a shot at rogue galaxy, which I actually liked and would give an 8 soo it seems this game just comes down to taste

[heyheyhey]

why is everyone acting like the score is 30/100??

70/100 isn't the worst score there is, let's wait for other reviews before we make all our final judgments eh?

[Arnon]

Those are the exact same words we said about the Famitsu review..

[lonestarmt]

bravo heyheyhey, you get bubbles. Its too soon to say. And above don't get me started on famitsu. Haze, lair, last remnant 34/40?? ummm no. They arn't really reliable.

[Arnon]

So then what is reliable? Because I'm pretty sure this is the SECOND review where you guys are saying to wait rofl.

[TheColbertinator]

Interesting what is going on...

I thought Infinite Undiscovery and WKC would get good reviews

I thought Killzone 2 and Prince of Persia would get bad reviews

Looks like I'm off my rocker

[Obama]

Can't say I am not a little disappointed that WKC got 2 average reviews so far, but let's wait and c how future reviews are going to be before passing final judgment on the game itself.

[Arsenal4Ever]

Even with the lack of RPG's for the PS3, I don't think this game is worth buying in my opinion. I'll hold onto Valkyria Chronicles for a bit longer - Any information on trophy support??

[godkiller]

Be it xbox or ps3,i hate reviewers that DONT review a game properly,i swear theres job vacancys for people to review games no experiance needed,or basicaly crap game players
SIMPLE AS this dicckhead hasnt played the game properly,done his homework,whatever and that pisses me off.

they call themselves rpgers,god i beat they dont even remember wizardy 1 to 7,makes me laugh,most rpgs these days are dumbed down,which is a pity,but like a double edge sword it gets more people into rpgs.if the guy had said,7 outa 10,its a trilogy when finish game doesnt end,you get rebirth then can play all new downloaded content and explore more of the game,but from reading his review,i could do better typeing with my feet.rant over,back to polishing my nails.

[lonestarmt]

yeah you can tell from this review he really isn't a JRPG fan. He took several shots at genre through out. Sounds a bit bias against JRPGs that I love so much.

[pippoppow]

From what I've seen, it looks and plays like something I want to experience. Besides a 7/10 is still a decent score. I'm sure you'll see scores ranging around 8 give or take a point. People need to stop putting so much faith in reviewer's opinions.

[n4gno]

"Both the system and the genre could use a white knight in shining armor to come and save them, and with every other game being sequel number four or thirteen, the fact that WKC is an original franchise does not hurt. An original and superb PS3 title is just the game we have all been waiting for."

lol.

imagine what you want to save the 360, and cross your finger for an original and superb title in 2009, it's more credible.

[N4Garbage]

The battle system needs help.

It's too slow and will be Final Fantasy 12 all over again for most players.

[Chemical]

reading the boards over at gamefaqs...
this game is obviously not AAA quality.

It is sad that people are still willing to buy it day one even when scores are poor.
Have you guys considered renting it?

I mean... did you all buy enchanted arms?
and Genji?....
even though the scores were bad?

[Light Yagami]

White Flop Chronicles

[krouse93]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

you are retarded.

[Chemical]

White Flop Chronicles

[godkiller]

mmm when im in a field of giant monsters,and im takeing em out with my 8 combat combo,or getting ready for nucular blast".ive finished ff12,and when i got wks i was expecting not very good graphics as seen youtube footage,but let me tell you its nothing like ff12 on a 60" plasma it rocks.and i would buy the game for just two momments in the game"i wont spoil it for you,but remember watching lotr return of the king and the feeling you got when gandalf and the army appeared theres momments like that,were i went like wow,er and if combat is still too slow theres the haste spell lol.

ps on a side note,just finished killzone2 demo,god that game is sooo deep man,your proberly saying lol shes just finished the demo,nope on take 30,and just finished it,were i have to shoot the helmets off before i kill em,mmm soo deep.I LOVE IT...and ive seen new team ico game OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[N4Garbage]

I actually imported it :D

It's not bad.

But there's games that are rated lower that have better battle systems.

i.e. Infinite Undiscovery

All matters the person tho

[baodeus]

Wow, so gears of war is really deep too, cause you need to shoot their helmet off first before you can get in a head shot. Jeez. Anything else? like bullet bending because of the wind, go see COD4. STop hyping KZ2 so much, people will be disappointed. Just play the game for what it is and you will like it.

I don't really mind the pause in between command, try to play Never winter night and you know what i'm talking about. What it needs is to be like never winter night but on Layonara server (man thumbs up for those guys) because those game master created crazy quests on the spot. It is just like you are in a fantasy book that you just read or something. RPG should be like that where it allows you to create your own quests just like Never Winter Nights. It makes grinding and the story seem fresh all the time rather than just grinding etc.....

[Chemical]

WKC is a fail.
I don't know why people were expecting much. oh well...
It's a good review btw.

[lonestarmt]

haha only because its says what you wanted it to say.

[FF7numbaone]

confirmed, WKC= the legend of dragoon of this gen. which means it good but western reviewers will butch it.

[Chemical]

you dream too much. confirmed.

Don't compare that classic RPG with this one.
Dragoon was epic... this is fail.. get it in your head

[Lex Luthor]

That's true chemical.

[Chemical]

only on Xbox360.

Too bad 360 has all the JRPGS now.
I'm loving Tales of Vesperia... such a great title.

[Neo604]

not to mention Too Human.

[Arnon]

Too Human isn't a JRPG moron. Pretty sure the PS3 cant really justify itself to having better RPGs.. I mean, there's how many exactly?

[kewlkat007]

I bet you this is considered great, a GEM, the Square killer GEM.

Waiting for more reviews, not that it matters to me I'll still play PS3's first true JRPG, but the hypocrisy sucks from those that do not own other consoles and never play the games they bash, on a daily basis.

Scores shouldn't matter right? Riiiiiiight It's about GAMEPLAY Right?Riiiiight

-Gameplay(WKC)
It may be better to say that WKC feels unfinished. It seems like 3/4 of a really good RPG.

-Gameplay(LO)
If you've ever played a Final Fantasy title, you've played Lost Odyssey.

[Lex Luthor]

Lol Kewlkat, i remember when the sony fanboys were saying this game would destroy FF13.

So deluded.

[Run_bare]

I better try it myself and give my own judgement on this title. I am dying to play a JRPG, nothing out there but this.

[kazan]

Man I really hate developers, RPG is not graphics WHO care for the graphics damd its the STORY AND GAMEPLAY DAMD man I just wish that I can go back in time and play the awesome PS1 jrpgs again and again …. Its almost since FF10 and all the JRPGs went own hell (with some rare exactions)

[Magna Farta]

Wow, while 70/100 is a little disappointing, it's certaintly a far cry from a flop.

Flops are usually in the 30-60/100 range, I've played plenty of 7/10 rated games and had a blast with them. We'll see where this goes.

[stuntman_mike]

i get the feeling they sacrificed the single player game just so they could shoe-horn in the online capabilities. i remember when this was first announced there was no mention of on line mmorpg stuff then right near the end of development they came out with it.

[SpikeSpiegel]

So what the game didn't receive "good" reviews? The only judgment that matters in the quality of a game is your own and until you play the game for yourself, its impossible to tell whether you will like it or not.

[PS360PCROCKS]

JRPG's are dying...their outdated, unoriginal ideas are killing their chance at success. Who wants to bet the next FF averages 8's? they'll say "it tries to so much in so many areas in doesn't nail anything"

[labwarrior]

White Knight is far worst than i ever though, seems the next generation in RPG gaming does not start when "Sony says so"

[Jaces]

I don't give a damn what people think about this one. Level 5 has yet to let me down so the least I can do is give this a try and see what all the "boohooing" is about.

[Firstkn1ghT]

Another floparoonie. If you want to play a good jrpg, just get a 360. :)

[Obama]

The highest rated jrpg is still on the ps3 bot. Get ur fact right.

[Firstkn1ghT]

another tissue for the sony boy? HAHA

[PureGamer]

I thought sales did not matter? fanboys are idiots.

Never been interested in it, still a good score.

[sak500]

Another one bites the dust. Now what wait for FFXIII ? Your list of exclusives bombing left right and center, just thank GOd that KZ2 seems ok for all the hype. If you guys dont buy it GG and PS3 are GBye.

[Lex Luthor]

I always thought this game was a rental at best, nothing special.

[The_Zeitgeist]

Wow JRPG's should just be re-named Hello Kitty RPG's. No offense but I think Western audiences are growing tired of the same goofy over acting and plot lines.

[ssipmraw]

meh, im still gonna get it
who cares about a japaanese verion review

[Blackcanary]

Every Level 5 game i've played i like i have my own mind i don't read or go by reviews.

[anubis12]

star ocean in your face

[bigjclassic]

Any real gamer knows that all of the GREAT RPGs this gen are on the DS and to an extent the PSP. Chrono, DQ9, Ys, FF and so many more are on DS and PSP has some good ones as well.

Lost Odyssey and Mass Effect are the kings of HD RPGs currently, as i thought Fallout 3 and Oblivion weren't as immersive and gripping. And downright boring to an extent. (I dont play EQ or WoW so i didn't like Bethesda's offerings)

Well the wait for FFXIII, Versus XIII, DQX and Star Ocean seems far away.

[Bishop]

I believe that this game will be good and to say that people just aren't into JRPG's is pretty stupid, considering their still hasn't been that many released. VC on Ps3 was pretty decent but I truly think Lost Odyssey and the latest Tales installment have both been pretty good. This looks game looks good to me and I not really buying all of these lackluster reviews. I mean GTA4 received all kinds of acclaim and it just wasn't that great, so reviews are always going to be biased by the reviewer and this reviewer probably doesn't care for the genre. It's like a guy who loves rap giving a review of a metal album.