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Subscription Growth Has Flattened, So What Does That Mean For Xbox Game Pass And PS Plus?

You may have seen this coming, given that Microsoft has not shared Game Pass subscription numbers in two years, since January 2022, but it’s because in the wake of explosive pandemic growth, things have…slowed quite a bit.

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TwoPicklesGood122d ago

Subscription services will be fine and one time they will get bigger.

shinoff2183121d ago

Idk man. I don't think it gets much bigger. Maybe 10 20 million bigger but unless it's forced. That's probably about it.

darthv72121d ago

Ive read it here many times. People sub when a game they want to play comes out.. then they cancel and return when another game comes.

I just choose to remain subbed as there is plenty of other stuff I like to try in the meantime. I've certainly gotten my $$ worth over the last few years.

EvertonFC121d ago

Sad fact billions just don't have the time for gaming, busy lives and ONLY a few hours spare for 1 hobby at best in-between TV.
Agreed the market won't grow much more.

shinoff2183121d ago

Darth, for sure. I don't feel ripped that I'm subscribed to both. I just think more people are interested in owning things in the end. I've bought alot of games based off of what I've tried on gp, and ps plus, sometimes I'll play games off there I already own. For instance ff12 I have the ff12 ps4 steel book version last I seen its worth a decent chunk of change so why open it at this point if I can play it on a service. I don't think services are bad but I definitely don't think their the greatest thing either. I feel they have a place in gaming just not the only place

Nitode121d ago (Edited 121d ago )

Agree, like some other people mentioned, people are to busy in this World. I myself dont have much time for gaming anymore in the grown up World. Working, taking care of my kids, family time, workouts for myself, friends and family visit, other interests/hobbys, taking care of the house and doing work on it etc etc… glad i have the switch and iPad, so i can sneak in some gaming fun. The ps5 will only be here until switch 2 arrives, dont have time, interest or energy for that type of gaming. Hopefully Nintendo will Keep on with their old school view on certain things.
And have to mention that the new generation has a different type of pressure on them. School is for many now very important, its not fully like before where you could just drop out and get work at a company and do good. Education has become very important and time consuming.

Cacabunga120d ago

That it’s not a driver for success.. of course subs will flatten at some point.
Only way to drive sales and growth is improving in the attach rate of gamers to the brand: by making great games and have gamers excited.

Sub model is broken, flawed and actually hurting games quality.

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MrBaskerville121d ago

Probably, but Phil Spencer mentioned that they need to make significant progress before 2027 if they were to continue as we know them.

Crows90121d ago

Phil Spencer spouts tons of lies all of the time. Never know when he is actually telling the truth. It could've been a lie.

MrBaskerville121d ago

@Crows90
They are going all in on gamepass, obviously it will have consequences if they don't reach their targets. It's not like they weren't on the verge of exiting the gaming business before Spencer proposed Gamepass, so why wouldn't they consider it if gamepass failed to meet its goal?

Jin_Sakai121d ago

Subscription services are far too many. People aren’t going to pay for 15 different services. It’s an over saturated market at this point.

shinoff2183121d ago

When we got rid of cable, for Netflix and Hulu and something else I want name, it was great, saved so much money, then at one point we had Disney, peacock, and a few other like wait this is just as expensive as cable what's the point. So we dropped everything but two services and that's all we keep now at a time.

Hofstaderman121d ago

@Shinoff2183 exactly. The average household cannot afford all subscription services. Something has to give.

MrBaskerville119d ago

I think the way to go is to pick and choose services on a monthly basis. But yeah, it's a mess. Also hard to keep track of where to see the films and series you want to watch. I find a lot simpler to just buy the dvd at this point.

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isarai122d ago

Well I mean only one of those componies are completely centered around their sub service.

GamerRN121d ago

I think it's flattened because of the lack of console sales growth. If they want to grow subs, need to grow consoles. The biggest mistake they made is not selling Series S for $200 and just taking the loss. They would have made it up eventually...

Gamble20121d ago

No they wouldn’t have. Xbox has already been an unprofitable hardware business its entire business Game Pass is also, as of this current time, a money losing venture.

GamerRN121d ago

Ummm, actually, despite having less consoles in the market, Xbox has been more profitable than PlayStation due to GamePass.

Not sure where you are getting your facts from. It's almost like you made it up

mkis007121d ago (Edited 121d ago )

Go look up your xbox vs playstation stuff again. Playstation bought bungie which is the only reason you can claim lower profit for a year.

GamerRN119d ago (Edited 119d ago )

Xbox bought a company also... I forget the name, some indie company...

But anyway, Xbox has been more profitable each year, you might wanna do your research.

Personally, I'll take sales over profitability for the popularity argument, but clearly Xbox is still doing good if they can make as much and more with significantly less consoles

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JEECE121d ago

I really thought Starfield would have a bigger impact than what it apparently did.

Asplundh121d ago

Same, it just didn't live up to the hype.

GamerRN121d ago

I agree, it was a great game just wasn't what anyone expected. It was Space Fallout, and honestly that sub 30fps nonsense really killed me.

Fun game just not the 300 hour play forever game I expected... 7.5, maybe 8/10 ...

Crows90121d ago (Edited 121d ago )

It didn't live up to anything...the hype wasn't a problem.

@gamerRN

Not space fallout. Fallout has exploration. Fallout has fun quest lines. Fallout has interesting environments.

Starfield was it's own thing and it failed at it.

shinoff2183121d ago

As saddened as I was i feel starfield will in time.

GamerRN119d ago

@crows

All you stated was that you enjoyed Fallout as a theme more than space travel. Personally I looked the quests and works better in Starfield, but also still felt it was lacking in key areas.

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outsider1624121d ago

I wonder if Indiana Jones will. The game so far looks good

Majin-vegeta121d ago

Seems It being FPS kills a lot of excitement..wtf were they thinking.

GamingSinceForever121d ago

When in history has any Indiana Jones game made an impact? It may be a good game but it will not move the needle.

CrashMania121d ago

It does look good but if starfield didn't do a thing I doubt this will have much of an impact, looking forward to trying it though.

EvertonFC121d ago (Edited 121d ago )

Looks like a Wolfenstein control scheme with Indy makeover. Controls will be tight, looking good so far.
No doubt they'll be a cave mining cart section 😊

GamerRN121d ago

I'm not looking forward to FPS Indy... I would have preferred a 3rd person Uncharted beater... The timing was perfect, and they missed it. ..

GamerRN121d ago

@GamingSinceForever

Fate of Atlantis, Last Crusade, great games!

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Lightning77121d ago

It was number 3 in Steam revenue at 235m$ behind Baldurs Gate number one and number 2 Hogwarts.

JEECE121d ago

I bought it on Steam so I won't dispute you. I'm talking about the impact on Gamepass. I thought we'd get an announcement in the wake of Starfield about some crazy jump in subscriber numbers.

CrashMania121d ago (Edited 121d ago )

I don't see many people disputing it wouldn't have sold well on Steam, Bethesda games are always big on PC and it was a given imo, but it was in development for many years and probably had a really big budget.

The debate is around it's impact on xbox console and GP subs, and MS don't give any numbers so not sure why people are expected to think.

Crows90121d ago

I wonder how many refunded...

shinoff2183121d ago

No doubt but look at the people on steam talking about it. Alot of disappointed people. Sales were solid though on there. I think I've read you have to buy a game to review it on steam.

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BrainSyphoned121d ago (Edited 121d ago )

It did have an impact, at launch. We bought the Series X bundled with two years of game pass at launch expecting to get Starfield within that time span. The big impact it had is that my disappointment cost $800 and 2.5 years of just three games played (Grim Dawn , Monster Train and Vampire Survivor) before I played Starfield 30 minutes and quit.
And went back to playing Skyrim on PS5.

Game Pass has been great for the kids though, hardly ever have to buy them games.

babadivad121d ago

Still haven't played it yet. Got it installed but never launched it.

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Brazz121d ago

For Gamepass > Doom and Gloom for the model. Phil Spencer himself talked about the need to hit more players, and this is not happening. GP needs growth, or It will die. This realy sucks for Xbox, likely a "game over" scenario.

For PSN > Bad, but not the end of the world. Playstation still focused on selling games. Also their user base is like 1.5X that of Gamepass. It hurts, but not nearly as much as It hurts Xbox.

Eonjay121d ago

So the thing about Microsoft is that they are the ones setting those goals. Remember Satya missing one of his bonuses because they couldn't convert enough new subscribers one year. Or Phil saying that they need 80 million subscribers by 2027? If they added all of the plus members to GP, they would probably still be short of that number.

I don't know if Sony has a goal for their Plus numbers but you can tell from their actions that they are tying to upconvert the members they already have. I think by the numbers they have at least 30 million regular subscribers that they will try to convert to Premium members. PSPortal is part of this too and so is steaming in general.

For both, but especially Microsoft, they can reach their goal by leaving hardware behind and becoming an actual streaming platform... something that it seem Sony is keen on doing as well. If Microsoft can reach its target through steaming, it can reach it at all. Either, I don't see them leaving gaming anytime soon.

MrBaskerville121d ago (Edited 121d ago )

We still need to see how gamepass fares in a scenario where MS releases those 4 big titles every year that they are gearing up to. And how it looks with cod. If these things don't give them a significant boost, they might throw in the towel.

But I do think they will get a boost when they eventually get the machine up and running.

crazyCoconuts121d ago

When the growth curve is really steep it's when companies throw sustainable business models to the wind. The fact that it's slowing down is good news, as it forces them to have reasonable and sustainable prices. I'm thinking this should prevent the future where the quality of games goes down and we all are playing GaaS.

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PS6 Graphics – Can it Approach Photorealism?

If the PS5 Pro leaks are accurate, the eventual PS6 is slated to be one powerful console. But if modern GPUs still lag behind true photorealism, can the PS6 get there?

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Hugodastrevas2h ago

I hate to be "that guy", but we have go ask ourselves do the industry need photorealistic graphics at this point or actually good games, good content, less anti-consumer practices?
This graphical obsession has brought nothing but years upon years of waiting for a game to launch with huge detailed empty worlds, bad stories and predictable gameplay and (micro)transactions everywhere. Sorry for the rant.

MrGameAndWatch35m ago

Same. I really don't want to be in an interactive film and, to me photorealism is not needed for immersion.

OtterX31m ago(Edited 23m ago)

If anything, the massive layoffs in the industry right now are showing that investors are pulling out and not wanting to invest as much as they are right now into AAAs. Much less push for even higher detail, unless many parts of it are automated by AI for a cheaper price. Not saying I support people's jobs being replaced by AI, just stating a reality of what the money people want.

Zenzuu1h ago

Personally for me, graphics have already gotten to the point where I don't really feel the need to see having it to make anymore realistic or better.

At this point, I rather game developers focus on quality/engaging stories, gameplay, & contents. Also not every every single game needs to opened world just for the sake of it.

andy8539m ago

Honestly with UC4 I thought we were close but things don't really seem to have improved much in 8 years. Hellblade 2 seems to have raised the bar a bit though

MrBaskerville20m ago

I don't think publishers have the money to make that happen. They can barely sustain the current level of fidelity.

bRuud8317m ago

Simply, no! Graphics wise there is barely any difference between the PS4 and PS5 just a little more particle effects and very minimal use of ray tracing. I expect even less diffence between PS5 and PS6. Just better implementation of Ray Tracing.

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