God I Hope My Xbox Series S Can Run GTA 6

GTA 6 is still years away and the Xbox Series S is already seeing compromises

[Snookies12]

You have at LEAST an entire year, maybe even nearly two years. You can't honestly tell me it's impossible for you to save up $400-$500 in that time to upgrade to a better system.

[darthv72]

I can see how this game could cause some SS owners to upgrade to SX. Not only would they get the better experience for GTA but for all other XB games they may have already.

[Obscure_Observer]

"I can see how this game could cause some SS owners to upgrade to SX. Not only would they get the better experience for GTA but for all other XB games they may have already."

I agree. And I think the new (hopefully cheaper) all-digital SX console along with the new Sebile controller will be tempting and hard for SS owners to resist.

[ThePacemaker]

Series X?

Nah. The definitive console to play GTA6 would be PS5 Pro.

[MrNinosan]

Or even better, upgrade to a PS5 Pro, which most likely is out by the time GTAVI is released.

[EvertonFC]

The way sales and this gen is going for Xbox there more likely to swap to playstation imo.

[Christopher]

I've watched some Series S CP2077 2.0 gameplay and it's remarkable how different the world feels with less happening to account for the Series S vs XSX or PS5.

With what this trailer is selling, I'd want the best I can get for a home console to make sure it feels as much like a breathing and realistic world as possible.

I think a lot of people who play these games for online play, though, won't care at all as long as they get the same experience.

[RaidenBlack]

Rockstar managed the vast GTA V (with character switching) on the PS3 & X360 .... not an easy feat.
I think they'll find comfort in 900p~1080p + 30fps combo with draw distance reduced for Series S.

[Abear21]

Exactly, low shadow detail, reduced draw distance, reduced NPC and traffic density—just look how much better gta5 got over years of better hardware. It will likely take the next generation of consoles to see gta6 run like that

[dumahim]

With what they're trying to push on screen, I think 900p is a bit optimistic.

[poppatron]

But the game was built from the ground up with that platform in mind

[anast]

Usually I disagree with comments like this but in this case it is fair for most people, including the one that wrote the article.

[EvertonFC]

Exactly, I've always said if your struggling to buy the console then you probably shouldn't even be buying a console as we all know it's an expensive hobby lol

[ChasterMies]

This article is written by someone who has all gaming consoles and a PC for “work”. What the article should say is “Buyer beware: the Xbox Series S is not a true next gen console, will not get you through this generation’s best games. Buy a PS5 or Xbox Series X instead.”

[EvertonFC]

Imagine on Christmas Day getting a series S, hiding your disappointment from the parents so you don't feel ungrateful ☹️

[SyntheticForm]

What a silly article.

Game's out in a few years. If you can't save up for a more powerful console in that time, you should not be gaming, you should be trying to make more money.

[darthv72]

they used BG3 as an example... that was for split screen. Unless this game has split screen then there is nothing to worry about. Plus this is R*, not Larian.

[blacktiger]

It's no split screen you shouldn't worry abouts it's the open world you should worry about after all its R*

Series S is going to have bigger problems

[frostypants]

It's never that simple. This game has almost nothing in common with BG3.

[-Foxtrot]

I’d be annoyed if I found out despite the game being a technical marvel Rockstar were still held back by the Series S

They could be pushing the game all 100% but if you find out they could have went to 110% if not for the S, you’d be a little miffed at what could have been.

[gold_drake]

wither they make the S version to be low resolution

or they have to make cut backs for both versions, which would suck.

if BG3 has had issues with the S, u better believe Rockstar has the same issues

[Hofstaderman]

They should just leave the Series S out of the equation but yeah....75% of all Series sold are the S. MS screwed themselves and everyone else with this last gen pos.

[Obscure_Observer]

Did the Series S hold back any PC or PS5 versions of games back?

BG3? Alan Wake 2? Remnant 2? Lords of the Fallen? No?

Then how the Series S would hold any current gen game back?

Stop with this FUD nonsense already

[-Foxtrot]

“BG3? Alan Wake 2? Remnant 2? Lords of the Fallen? No?”

Well for starters BG3 had to go through some wild development examination, through ever book and cranny to get it out on the Series S and let’s not bullshit they obviously got some mighty backing from Microsoft to achieve this, they needed this game released while still sticking mostly to their shitty parity rule

The others? Who knows. We will never get a developer saying “if we were exclusive on X console we could have added Y and Z more”

You got a mighty nerve talking about Fud with the amount of bullshit from your comments on here

[sparky77]

@-Foxtrot

You said all that and couldn't even answer Obscure_Observer question: Did the Series S hold back any PC or PS5 versions of games back?

The answer is NO. The PC and PS5 version were not held back, not a single game on other platforms has been held back. The Xbox versions might get delayed or even cancelled but that doesn't affect you and your PS5.

So stop complaining about something which isn't a concern for you.

[darthv72]

@Fox, Larian had said the issue they ran into with BG3 on the SS was the lower amount of memory allocated caused problems getting split screen to work consistently at a good frame rate. SS did not keep the game from running. And as a result of Phil giving the ok to drop split screen is where they discovered they could optimize it further and found a flaw in their programming that was then rectified for all other versions as a result.

So in that games situation, the SS actually helped Larian make a better product than they initially released.

[Crows90]

When you have a piece in your car from a decade ago you bet it can hold back your car overall. So yes the series s holds back this console generation.

[northpaws]

So you really think, when creating a game, you have to take into consideration of one weaker console, doesn't has any negative impact at all?

Whenever you develop for more than one console, it ALWAYS hold back in some ways.

[gold_drake]

that is not the question, wether the S holds the ps5 or pc version back.

that is not the question lol

the question was if the Series S can even run it. and if so, how badly

dont bring other consoles into this very obvious and linear question lol

[MrNinosan]

Yes, most likely.

[Obscure_Observer]

@gold_drake

"the question was if the Series S can even run it. and if so, how badly"

You´re not very bright, are you?

So Rockstar *confirms* GTAVI for the Xbox Series S and the first question you have for the developer is: Can the Series S even run it? Duh.

I can see the developer´s eyes rolling from a mile away. XD

[frostypants]

"Did the Series S hold back any PC or PS5 versions of games back?"

Yes. It likely did.

[Neonridr]

what would be the difference if Sony releases a Pro model late next year and then you consider the same thought process of the base PS5 holding back what could have been on a fully pushed Pro model version of the game..

or is that different because it's Playstation?

[-Foxtrot]

Lmao

Here we go, twisting a comment so you can make a witty remark and walk away thinking “ha. Got him”

First of all I hate mid gen consoles, I’ve been saying this since last gen. However they’ve been developing GTAVI with these consoles in mind for years, it’s not like they know about mid gen consoles but I don’t think it would bother then as they know not everyone will buy one, the install base will have the base consoles. There’s never going to be games held back as the base consoles will take priority.

Second of all you are comparing a mid gen console to what Microsoft regards as an equal to the Series X, their base console

Literally an apples to oranges argument and you know it.

A for effort though

[Neonridr]

@Foxtrot - PC development isn't hampered by the minimum required PCs out there. You think Alan Wake 2 doesn't look and run gorgeously on the top end hardware compared to the minimum required stuff?

GTA VI will run and look just fine on the PS5 / XSX. You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[RupeeHoarder]

what? the PS5 currently = Series X. If Sony's base model has as high of performance as Microsoft's higher performance model..... nothing you said makes any sense. I'd be concerned about the experience on Series S.

[Neonridr]

@RupeeHoarder - the point is when mid-gen refreshes come (assuming they do) then the base consoles would be holding them back from being fully realized. Did we say that the PS4 held back the Pro? No.

[BehindTheRows]

PC development IS impacted by the weaker machines. Just because they've figured out ways to adjust doesn't mean they aren't obstacles. Anyone wanting knowledge on the subject need not look further than nearly all of Crytek's Crysis interviews from '06-'08.

Yes, Alan Wake looks phenomenal, but if developed on the better hardware (and thus, ported backwards), it would look CONSIDERABLY better than it does. Those are strictly financial decisions, and this is Game Development 101. Happy to debate it after 8 years of college on it.

Otherwise, Fox is absolutely right. The Series S will remain the lowest common denominator. And yes, the PS5 would also hold back the PS5 Pro under the same circumstances. Again, that's the science behind it. The Series S holds all devices back that have to run the same game as it, even if devs find ways around that. They still have to consider the weaker hardware.

[darthv72]

Neon... it's never the same situation for PS as it is XB. Nobody said the Pro was held back by the base PS4 but many did say the One X was held back by the One. That is just the kind of double standard people have.

Reality is, nothing has been held back due to there being a least common denominator. Not in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, and now 9th gen.

[-Foxtrot]

@Neonridr

"then the base consoles would be holding them back from being fully realized"

What are you not getting here

It wouldn't matter as it's a mid gen console, yeah they would be held back but it's not the main base console which has an 8 year lifespawn which developers can plan around. It's just something to get a little bit more money from people, the nice new shiny toy but in reality they know there's going to be limits, they know they will be held back because of their base consoles

Xbox Series S is one of Microsofts BASE CONSOLES, it came out from the start, it's what developers had to think about for this generation cycle and also the shitty parity rules Microsoft has in place. Microsoft basically f***** themselves and others.

Even if you have a mid gen console, the new Xbox won't be held back by the Series X but also the Series S

If developers struggle now with the parity rule with the Series X and S then how the actual f*** will they be able to do parity with something even more powerful than the Series X? It would be pointless

Like I said, it's bad comparison, mid gen consoles won't really hold anything back in reality because they are an after thought, the developers main goal in the base consoles with the install base. It's why everyone has been p***** off that some games wouldn't let the PS4/Xbox One go. Look at Horizon Forbidden Wests DLC Burning Shores, it looks fantastic and the main game could have looked just as good if they let the PS4 go.

[thesoftware730]

Fox,

"Well for starters BG3 had to go through some wild development examination, through ever book and cranny to get it out on the Series S and let’s not bullshit they obviously got some mighty backing from Microsoft to achieve this, they needed this game released while still sticking mostly to their shitty parity rule"

Dude, none of what you said answered obscure's question, how did the S hold back any of those games? The PS5 & PC versions of BG3 were launched, AW2 was magnificent, Remnant 2 is a blast, and LotF was well received...so among these great games, where did the S hold anything back...no make believe stories, tell us how?

The optimization and examination that you mentioned are actually being used to make every version better, so in a weird way, the SS made the game slightly better for all consoles.

"The others? Who knows. We will never get a developer saying “if we were exclusive on X console we could have added Y and Z more”

Ok so then we are creating scenarios and making it sound like reality? You don't know, I don't know, so why are we materializing made-up fears/concerns/negativity? There is no indication that the SS has held any of the games he listed back, creatively speaking. The PC and PS5 version are loved and is in contention for GoTY... doesn't sound held back a all.

"They could be pushing the game all 100% but if you find out they could have went to 110% if not for the S, you’d be a little miffed at what could have been."

What, huh? Fox stop making stuff up man, you seem to create issues that don't exist and then act mad about it. 110% and they didn't solely because of the S..can't make this shit up...oh wait you can lol.

[--Onilink--]

Enough with the holding back nonsense.. you cant have it both ways… if you are going to keep saying that developers have to dedicate a lot of time to get a Series S version out, then that means that Series S did NOT define the development of other platforms…therefore, not holding back anything

If they were able to port to Series S with barely any work, then you could say that MAYBE they used that console as a baseline rather than the Series S and PS5, which is something that basically has only happened for cross gen titles anyway

Practically every single developer out there consistently has to work on so many different spec levels just by virtue of doing the PC version, why is it suddenly the Series S any different? If anything, low end PC is harder because they still need to worry about multiple vendors, drivers and technologies.

[purple101]

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[gold_drake]

run .... sure.

but at what resolution and fps is the big question haha.

[Vengeance1138]

Don't worry PS5 Pro will be ready just in time for GTA 6.
Most likely Holiday 2024 drop.

[gold_drake]

im not sure what the ps5pro has anything to do with the xbox versions haha

[Vengeance1138]

Actually quite a bit, once the series S inevitably is incapable of running the game, a new console will need to be acquired and the PS5 Pro is said to be hitting shelves not long before GTA 6 arrives.

[Number1TailzFan]

I was thinking the same thing, but someone brought up a good point recently, if the base consoles are running this (highly likely) at 30fps, then the mid gen refreshes are likely to run at the same FPS, because it's rumoured PS5 Pro is using the same Zen 2 chip but just with slight changes, with higher clocks.

If that's true then the game will just run more stable, it's probably quite CPU intensive with everything going on. The Pro will allow higher details and resolution that it upscales from with a noticeably better GPU though.

You want high frames & detail you'd highly likely need to wait for the PC version, or if it comes to next gen consoles.

[dumahim]

I wonder if this trailer was done targeting PS5 Pro specs. It'd be pretty scummy (but not unheard of) of them to make a trailer on a high end PC spec when the game isn't being released for PC yet.

[gold_drake]

ehm.. yes.

videogames are made on high end pcs, with software, for consoles haha.

trailers always highlight the best stuff.

[GoodGuy09]

I'm hoping even on series x and ps5, we can get a 60fps mode.

[Vits]

It will likely depend on the target fps and resolution of the "big" consoles. If they are going for 60fps on the Performance mode. I would assume that the Series S will be mostly similar but targeting 30 fps and of course a lower rendering resolution. Not that dissimilar to what we saw in Alan Wake 2.

[purple101]

Alan wake 2:

Internally, the Series S is operating at or around 720p. That's down from the 847p resolution in the Series X performance mode.

How gt5 going to do better in full open world god only knows.

[darthv72]

Different developers, different engines, different experience.

[Lightning77]

If your so worried about it, then buy a X or PS5. Problem solved.

[purple101]

Il get it on mac, in 2029.

[isarai]

I'm sure it will, running it "well" in the other hand may be another story.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

The S doesn't hold any consoles back! Next gen I hope they don't drop support for the S because why not? It don't hold consoles back!

[boing1]

I really hope they will skip it. Why is this even a thing?

[Yui_Suzumiya]

What about Switch?

[RupeeHoarder]

They'll get it to run, it just won't be as densely populated + lower res.

[StarkR3ality]

Meanwhile us PC gamers are sitting there on 3 - 4x more powerful hardware than even the X or PS5 and we're getting cock blocked 😂

[BehindTheRows]

3-4x? :P

My PC is many times more powerful over those consoles than that, and yet, will be completely ignored due to the weaker machines (this includes much weaker PCs). I get it ($), but yeah.

[StarkR3ality]

Yeah I've got a 4070ti and 5800x3d, suits me down to ground, anything more than that for me is wasted money on a 170hz 1440p monitor.

[frostypants]

"My PC is many times more powerful over those consoles than that"

Many times more than 3-4x? LOL. No. No it isn't.

[BehindTheRows]

@frostypants

Tell me, do you know what more than 4x a 2070 (the graphics card equivalent of the PS5) is? The 24-core CPU in the machine alone walks all over them. In addition to 96GB of DDR5 system ram @6800MHz. If this is a fight you want to attempt, try it. A lot more goes into a PC than a console, but I'm curious since you think you know what you're talking about.

[frostypants]

Depends on your PC. Most PC gamers don't have a rig anywhere near that powerful.

[BehindTheRows]

Read above and answer. What's (at least) 3-4x the PS5/Series X? Include all that matter – CPU (core count and speed), graphics card (core count and speed), system RAM, I/O, storage size/speed. Then we can have a proper discussion.

To help you a little bit, for example, the RTX 3090 (a card weaker than the one in my system) is 3.5x more powerful than the PS5's card. That's JUST the card.

https://decortweaks.com/ps5...

Now, I wait. :)

[MetroidFREAK21]

I'm getting it on PS5 personally, but I worry about that as well... but I have no plans to upgrade my Xbox

[hiroyukisanada]

This will definitely be 720p/30fps on Series S. I would be surprised if they can get it to 900p/30 fps. For tons of people, that will probably be fine. I will definitely be upgrading from OG PS5 to PS5 Pro if it drops next year. My guess is it will be 1080p/60fps on Series X and PS5. 1440/30 in Quality. Then 1800/30 on Pro in Quality and 1440/60 in performance on Pro

[CrimsonWing69]

You chose the cheaper inferior console. Either sell that potato/trade it in and upgrade to the X or lay in the bed you made.

If you’re using the S you’re not going to be experiencing the game at its highest performance. Why anyone would accept playing a game like this on the weakest console it’s available on is beyond me.

[anast]

It's going to look like the release version of CP2077.

[maniacmayhem]

Even though it's been announced for Series S, possibly using the same engine as GTA V and RDR 2 as well as resuing character models and assets, Rockstar is working hard to make sure it does not run on Series S.

[Chocoburger]

Don't talk to God, because not even God would be able to make the game run well on Series S.

[smolinsk]

What about the Xbox Series X without a pro version? It's really gonna miss out

[Stanjara]

I really hope Rockstar makes Batman trilogy Switch performance on SS and don't bother much.

[EvertonFC]

"God I Hope My Xbox Series S Can Run GTA 6"

You should have known all this before even buying the series S.
The series S held it's own year 1 but like everyone said the longer the gen goes in the worse it will get for the series S.
If you're happy with 720p @30fps with dips in Res and FPS, shite draw distance, crap reflections and lighting then you'll be ok fella.
I'm sorry to say but you made the wrong dicision, I've always said just save for a extra month and put the extra £100 twds the X

[purple101]

You mean ps5 digital. Series X would have been more than $100 more at the time.

[EvertonFC]

You get my point fella, just wait a little longer saving

[purple101]

Yes indeed. Buy cheap buy twice is an age old saying that springs to mind.

[poppatron]

There is 100% not a single chance that your s is going to play gta 6, rockstar could not give a single shit about Microsoft’s parity clause, a game as big as gta means they make the rules

[Petebloodyonion]

I understant how we can be scare of the bad upcoming Serie S port especially when GTA6 Dev made lots of comments regarding how it's nearly impossible to do the game on Serie S and they would need to cut corner.
....
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Oh wait there's no such complaints from Rockstar so how come we're having tons of similar articles at the moment when a Xbox version is listed?

[mjchitown]

did you say that about RDR2 running on ps4 and x1 ? clown site

[Killer2020UK]

God I Hope My Horse And Cart Can Keep Up With Traffic On The Freeway

[purple101]

Hahaha. Comment of the day.

[Falloutxii]

Just xbox holding back this gen again...

[babadivad]

Why wouldn't it?

[Games1st]

30 fps rip.

[talocaca]

It probably won't. I am about to sell mine. At this point, it is honestly better to get XCloud and the games run much better than on the Series S.

[repsahj]

I'm sure it can. Just make the resolution 576p-720p with reduced view distance.

[Hereandthere]

80% of series owners are series S, so most here are faking the funk when they say they own the series x. These bottum video pop up ads that are forced suck ass.

[PassNextquestion]

Wouldn't the matrix demo give you an idea of what the difference between series s and x will be in a game like this?

Series s 720p
Series X 1440p

[frostypants]

I hope they leave it behind and tell MS where to stick it, so we get the best game possible. But I'm not holding my breath.