30fps For The Legend of Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom Is Not The Same As 30fps For Redfall

No, it’s not hypocritical to enjoy Tears of the Kingdom and criticise Redfall when they have the same frame rate

[Jin_Sakai]

Obviously, one is running on a prehistoric handheld while the other is on a powerful 12tf home console. There’s simply no excuse for Redfall being only 30fps.

[Knushwood Butt]

Sure, but don't Nintendo fans normally claim the frame rate is more important than resolution, and that Switch games run at 60fps?

[Profchaos]

Not really most switch games in my library are 30 fps not that 60 isn't possible it is but it's all in the design decisions made early on in development

[GameBoyColor]

huh, I must of missed those comments lol

[King_Noctis]

Uh what?

[Knushwood Butt]

So, resolution is more important than frame rate?

[_SilverHawk_]

It's funny people thinking these games should have different standards of criticism based on hardware which is the reason why Nintendo games are rated so high while games on other gaming systems would get lower scores for doing the same things as Nintendo games.

[Limitedtimestruggle]

Uh, sure bud. Is it "statements out my ass day" already?

[sadraiden]

.....No. No that's something you just made up.

[Angyobangyo]

Nintendo fans have never claimed that. You're claiming that...or heard one Nintendo fan say that and now it's some kind of gospel to you.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

the switch can't even run its own store without massive lag, so of course people lose their minds when a game can run at a solid 30fps.

if you like nintendo's library, that's fine, but there's definitely a double--standard when it comes to nintendo in general.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Eh? Said no Nintendo fan ever, why would you make such a blatant lie? I think they all know what the Switch is, let's not kid ourselves that it's anywhere in the ballpark of a PS4/Xone's performance levels, let alone PS5/Series X.

The thing is, we all know the Switch isn't going to push high frame rates and we don't expect it, as for the Series X, that was inexcusable, especially when it was promised at release. I'd take any Zelda game over Redfall, Redfall clearly has alot of issues, whereas, the majority of Zelda games are really fun.

[Weallgame]

Uh said noone ever

[neutralgamer1992]

If redfall was getting 10/10 we would all put up with 30FS. Instead redfall was getting 5/10 along with other issues so 30FPS stood out even more

The only reason I don’t give Nintendo my money is because they knowingly release underpowered consoles, charge a premium, their main goal always is to make as much money as possible. They literally released a cardboard box for $60 and people were defending them

[Knushwood Butt]

but cardboard boxes with 'Nintendo' written on them are fun.

[abstractel]

The first truly great game I experienced was SNES Zelda. I loved Nintendo for a long time but I agree with you Neutral. It's amazing to see how Nintendo followers just turn a blind eye to what Nintendo has become. Not saying they don't make fun games, but the concessions they make are truly remarkable. I'll get the same disagrees, but thankfully Sony didn't follow Nintendo's footsteps (although I haven't loved the long cross-gen period, I can sort of understand it).

I do wish I had current-gen Nintendo games as I know they would produce astounding games with current technology that would far surpass Tears of the Kingdom's experience. Do you guys lack imagination? I know that's condescending, it's not meant to be, just don't understand why you wouldn't want what you could get if Nintendo wasn't as greedy as they are. Profit drives all companies, but we have Sony who are doing very well, and fortunately in my books. I do hope Xbox will catch up this generation but I think they somewhat stabbed themselves (and cross-platform) in the foot with Series S. We'll see how Senua's Saga will turn out, might be the miracle it looks to be.

[Zhipp]

There's also the issue of Red fall being an fps. 60 is kind of standard for shooters whereas 30 has generally been acceptable for slower paced third person adventure games.

Zelda also tends to have more responsive controls than other 30fps games which I've now come to understand Is because of the use of double buffered vsync as opposed to triple buffering.

[Knushwood Butt]

Mario Odyssey seems to be 60fps, along with quite a few other first party offerings.

https://www.digitaltrends.c...

Is that a faster paced third person adventure game?

Just trying to understand the rules here.

[Zhipp]

@Knush
I'm not sure how to respond. Is that supposed to be some kind of "gotcha" statement? I guess you could call it a fast paced action adventure game? Mario Oddyssey is a platformer, which oftentimes requires precise inputs and twitch reactions -- it benefits more from 60fps than Zelda, Assassin's Creed, TLOU, or any other number of slower paced games.

I don't know what you posted that list for? Did you interpret my statement as meaning "some games are better at 30fps" or something? 60fps is objectively better. If I could, I would play all games at a higher framerate. That doesn't mean some titles don't need it more than others, though.

DOOM benefits more from 60fps than Fallout, and Mario needs it more than Zelda. Make sense?

[Mulando]

First of all, those games can not be compared (totally different). Also Redfall is really not a fun game.
But, I really don't get why Zelda is so good in the reviews. I have it (because of my son) and tried it. The graphic is really ancient, tends to flicker and just ugly at times. Also the world is total empty. There are so many corners you can go to where just nothing is at all. Well maybe it is just not my type of game.
But what really broke the immersion for me was Zelda herself. First she makes pictures with a switch-like device (the player gets a few minutes later) ... this should really not be in such a game ... and than she stops talking and instead makes noises whenever her textbox appears if she and link make some "naughty" things ...
Totally broke the immersion for me. And from there on it really didn't get much better, even after the tutorial section.

[SullysCigar]

Yeah, I've noticed constant shimmering on the graphics and it's quite off-putting. It really does feel like going back in time, playing TofK. In a nice, nostalgic way, but also - and more so - in a 'this tech is tired by today's standards' way.

[Zhipp]

You sound like someone who started gaming in the 360/PS3 generation. The distinction between cutscene voices and in-game voices has been a thing in gaming for a long time, but around that time most games (excepting Nintendo's) started to become fully voice-acted.

[Mulando]

@zhipp, no, not really. I started with a C64 a long time ago. Yes I know that old games (when voice on consoles was a new thing) tended to switch between it, but that was long ago and the medium was often the limit. But it is 2023 now and this was more or less part of the intro of the game.

[VariantAEC]

But God John Lineman of Digital Foundry said these were all great features!

How dare you question God John!

/s

[VariantAEC]

Spyro on PS1 was fully voice acted... Syphon Filter, G-Police, Air Combat (Ace Combat - if you were not in NA) and so many other og PlayStation titles were fully voice acted by the same people inside and outside of cutscenes this extended to PS2 and PSP even before Xbox 360 and PS3 ever hit store shelves. Nintendo couldn't do that kind of thing because their I/O was very limited at least on NES, SNES, N64, GB/P/L/C/A and NDS which maxed out at about 1GB carts on NDS. Literally all game data on a cart was measured in MB on Nintendo HW up through the NDS and most of their carts were well under 100MB even when Nintendo switched to discs things were still small about 1GB. PSP UMD's could hold 1.7GB DVDs 4.7GB on PS2.

Back to PS1, CDs held 700MB vs N64s paltry 64MB carts. Of course PS had way more games with full VO and proper music compared to Nintendo consoles. It had less to do with Nintendo's chosen DSPs and way more to do with lackluster storage space.

[gamerz]

Not really an excuse for 30fps on either but especially Redfall.

[DarXyde]

It's more than that, I'd say.

Nintendo has been putting out 60fps games before anyone was asking for it, since GameCube. Pretty consistently, too.

Anyone complaining about a "double standard" are really oversimplifying the problems with Redfall or outright misdiagnosing them.

The frame rate for Redfall is a big issue as a matter of principle because the footage used to advertise it was 60fps. It was fully expected to ship at 60fps, but it didn't—then a sticker was slapped onto it that basically says "eventually". But that's hardly the only issue: critics have made it clear that it's ugly, uninspired, glitchy, and the AI is terrible.

Not all 30fps titles are created equal, and I think people would be more forgiving of the Redfall frame rate if they had their other ducks in a row.

[Flawlessmic]

No shit.

One is an absolutely amazing game that I just sunk in atleast 20 hrs over the weekend lol and had to force myself to put down.

The other is 💩 💩 💩 played a decent amount of redfall just to give it a proper chance and have an informed opinion about it.

Redfall isn't bad because of 30 fps, hell it could get patched for 120fps and it would still be a turd!!

Nothing wrong with 30 fps as that how I play all my games, give me the fidelity, in saying that though I do expect a rock solid 30 with no dips.

I don't think zelda should get a free pass completely for its frame drops but they are very easily overlooked when the game is this good.

Redfall has zero redeeming qualities about it, I actually can't believe just how bad it is on every metric I could rate a game by.

Iv seen a lot of people on here though that all of sudden say 30fps and zelda is awesome when previously they said they can't play games at 30 anymore lol

[staticall]

No, it is hypocritical, stop with the mental gymnastics. Yes, one is an old hardware and other is brand new SSD machine. But:
a) It's Nintendo problem that their hardware can't handle the game and they don't release the next console/revision yet;
b) Both games are exclusives and should show the best the console can perform.

I can kinda agree that Redfall should be criticized more (because of how much extra power they can use). But Zelda must be criticized as well, don't act like low FPS doesn't matter or doesn't affect the score.

Either performance issues for all games should affect the score or the other way around. I prefer the former. Double standarts are bad, period.
That's why i wouldn't trust any of those 10/10 reviews.

P. S.: It's not even stable 30 FPS. It's much better with the patch, but still it drops to 20-25-ish periodically in busy places.

[Nitrowolf2]

Lol dude, most people understand when something limited by the tech they're on versus something that's been praised to high hell as the world's most powerful console.

We're talking about a game that's even bigger than most next-gen games running on hardware that's over 7 years old that was even then barely stronger than last-gen consoles, versus a current-gen game.

This isn't "oh but because it's Nintendo" cause otherwise Pokemon Scarlet and Violet wouldn't be sitting at a 72

TotK runs fine for most part. Yes there's dips, but not much we can do seeing there's not a switch 2 yet. If this was a switch 2 launch game then yes, people would be complaining about the lack of 60fps. Again, most people fully understand the limitations of the system, it's been showing for years.

Redfall, a game built exclusively for the series is being outperformed by a console built nearly 2 gens ago.

Not to mention, even if Redfall ran at 60FPS, that is literally the least of its concerns on why the game is scoring so low. You really think if Redfall ran at 60fps it would somehow fix the bland story, the repetitive tedious gameplay loop, and the gameplay in general?

Redfall could be running at 1000fps and it would have still reviewed badly

Redfall releasing at 30FPS just weakens the Xbox in general because it indicates it's not the powerhouse Microsoft made it out.

TotK releasing at 30FPS only tells what everyone knew for the last 5 years, that Nintendo needs to move on already.

[Imalwaysright]

30 fps has never impacted the score of any game. Insomniac who was well known for only making 60 fps games started to make games in 30fps because they did their research and reached the conclusion that games didn't sell better or reviewed better if they ran at 30 fps vs 60 fps.

https://www.eurogamer.net/i...

[staticall]

@Imalwaysright
If you're criticizing one games' performance (aka, it's affecting your score) and do not criticize the other or acting like, quote, "majority of people who play this game are not expecting 30fps" (it's from an article) - it is hypocritical. This is not about 30 fps only, this is about not hitting 30 fps 100% of the time (aka, performance issues) and sweeping that under the rug for the game you like. Both games have a problem here (not hitting 30 fps 100% of the time). My comment was about the thegamer article, not eurogamer or Insomniac.

[NotoriousWhiz]

^ when did nintendo ever show off 60fps game play and pretended it was for the Nintendo?

[sadraiden]

Nintendo doesn't have any problems. They still are selling Switch's and they keep making crazy money. Sounds like you just don't like the Switch. That's a you thing.

[repsahj]

Even Redfall runs at 120fps, it's still a garbage game. They cant fix a trash game with fps patch.

[Abracadabra]

"Gamers" (fanboys) are BS hypocrites. What else is new?

[Ps5conehead]

Like you Xbox fanboy

[Abracadabra]

LOL. A fanboy that even has PS5 on his name accusing others of being fanboys... * Facepalm *

So much PS5 love, you must sleep with your console.

[shinoff2183]

Abra

It doesn't make him wrong though

[Abracadabra]

It doesn't make him right though.

[Soulsborne]

Because redfall would be such good game with 60 fps .... lol

[repsahj]

No..

[Exvalos]

So Nintendo gets a pass for making a game the console/handheld can't run properly, Because of hardware limitations? Nobody told Nintendo to make a weak underpowered machine, if sub 30 frames is unacceptable in one game its unacceptable in all games. We crucified redfall for its performance, yet Tears of the Framerate got a free pass. When did we start accepting developers making games, the system can't handle, then proceed to damage control and praise the company.

[Flawlessmic]

Long story short as your making an argument in bad faith.

Zelda pros:
Literally everything is amazing about this game
Zelda cons: drops frames here and there.

Redfall pros:
...........................
Redfall cons:
Everything, like literally everything

Redfall got killed because it was a turd, 2 million fps wouldn't have saved that game, terrible comparison.

The more apt one would be jedi survivor which had issues but still scored well because guess what, that also is a great game.

Should zelda get a free pass, no it shouldnt but were talking about something that really doesn't impact enjoyment, hence even if you were to dock it the game goes from a 10 to a 9.5 loll

At the end of the day slightly bad performance here and there does not detract from brilliant games.

Redfall was also marketed as 60fps while looking like a ps3 game then failed to deliver even a steady 30 fps, Nintendo made no such promisises for zelda

[Rdeal]

I wouldn't say Zelda is amazing' it feels like i am playing the first game with a worse framerate, the worse things i hate in gaming are all in this game, loads of fog, bad framerate and jaggies everywhere. sometimes it looks like i am playing a lot bitrate youtube vid but it gets a pass because it's Nintendo, this same game would have scored 4/10 on Xbox

[thesoftware730]

The Switch is like 6-7 years old, and still manages to run some games at 60.

Zelda being as good as it is a miracle in itself...the PS4 and Xbox one had many games that run at 30fps. The Switch is not a new console, it came out when the ps4 and Xbox one were out.

So withing reason, their next system should be able to hit the 60fps.

[Exvalos]

Who wrote this article? I stopped reading after he called link a homophobic word, but I do disagree if 30 is not okay in one game its not okay in any games, other then turn based rpg.

[Echone1]

Despite my much greater sympathy for Zelda, I don't like this two-way view when it comes to measuring. Would Zelda be better at 60 fps? Undoubtedly!
It would also be better at a resolution higher than 900p and with HDR. The game is wonderful anyway, but I don't believe that the player didn't tell himself "what if?" while playing.

[Psychonaut85]

An actual smooth, consistently frame paced 30 fps is fine I think for exploration heavy games that don’t require fast reflexes. It can look a little juddery if you come to it from a 60FPS game at first, but with decent motion blur it’s ok. For a game with any kind of reflexive or competitive element though, 60FPS is much better. But the frame rate is least of Redfalls problems. They can up the frame rate and fix the bugs but it will still be a shit game. Unlike TotK, which is by all accounts a great game, or Jedi Survivor which yes, has a lot of technical issues and should have been delayed, but underneath is a fantastic game. Redfall is a shit game AND it doesn’t run properly. DOA.

[gold_drake]

of course its not

the switch is by all means the weaker hardware.
and if you proclaim your console to be a "Beast" or a "Monster", people are gonna be pissed if games cant deliver higher framerates.

its rly that simple.

[VersusDMC]

Here are the facts.

Switch games mostly run at 30fps. With a few exceptions. It is a handheld.
Tears of the kingdom is running the same as Breath of the wild. It was never advertised as running at 60fps.

Series X games are expected to run at 60fps. It's system is advertised as the most powerful system ever made. Redfall was advertised as running at 60fps and says so on the back of the box(and they added a sticker that says it will come eventually...).There have been way better looking games running at 60 on the system.

Who thinks those are the same?

[silkylove]

The big 1st party online multiplayer games on Switch typically run at 60 fps. Smash, Kart, Splatoon, etc. Mario Odyssey also runs at 60. Agreed with the rest of your point though.

[meanmallard]

Zelda is 30 FPS because it's pushing the hardware to its limits. Redfall is 30 FPS because it was rushed and unfinished from top to bottom. Zelda didn't need a sticker on the box to avoid legal issues from falsely claiming to be 60 fps.

And besides FPS was the least of Redfalls issues, even if it had 60 FPS it would still have been one of the lowest-reviewed games of the year. Zelda is the frontrunner for Game of the Year.

[TheEnigma313]

Excuses

[343_Guilty_Spark]

How to milk a story 101… nobody cares about Redfall

[SullysCigar]

You've changed your tune! Quick 180 there, my friend lol

[Petebloodyonion]

2 wrongs don't make a right.
1) Redfall on PC is running a 60 fps and it's still an average game at best so making it 60 fps on console would still make Redfall average at best.

2) Yes games should be judged in the same manner because despite that folks are quick to say that it's ok, the Switch is old hardware versus the Serie X. 60 fps 1080 was supposed to be the standard in 2013 with the release of PS4/Xbox1
Wasn't Uncharted 4 made a 30 FPS because of an artistic decision?
https://www.gamespot.com/ar...
So if we can't accept a 4k/30 FPS (that will become the norm soon) then we shouldn't accept 30 FPS/1080P or maybe we should ask also for a 60 FPS/720P mode.

But let's be fair, Unlike Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo never made a promise of FPS/resolution norm for the switch.

[VersusDMC]

Why are you bringing up Sony? Have they had a game come out this gen without a 60fps option? And if they have...is it broken and looks like a early last gen game?

And you hilariously bring up Uncharted 4 that came in 2016. A game that looks WAY WAY better than Redfall that came out weeks ago for 10 dollars more.
🤣

[Petebloodyonion]

"Why are you bringing up Sony?"
Because they were the ones that mentioned that 30 FPS was perfectly acceptable for a 1080P game when the narrative at the time was that 60 FPS/1080P was supposed to be the norm.
"Naughty Dog developers confirmed that, after much deliberation, it was decided that the campaign will run in 1080p at a locked 30fps"

Sony explained that THEY could have made Uncharted 60 frames for the single player but the reason for not doing it was due to optimization, time, and graphics fidelity.

Now I'm not throwing shade at Sony just stating that the 60 frames/4K debate we're having is exactly the same one we had in 2014 but at a different resolution.
Also, many experts (Digital Foundry in mind) acknowledge that all upcoming games will probably run at 30 FPS on current hardware.

But as I said, Nintendo probably gets a pass because resolution/FPS was never a selling point of the console

[Stanjara]

Yes, actually they do look worse in 60fps.
And Yes downwotes lets go... but be ready for ps5pro ok.

[VersusDMC]

@pete
What Sony PS5 game doesn't have a 60fps mode?

We are talking about the standards NOW and not 2016 ps4 era.

If your excuse for Redfall not having a 60fps mode is that they had 30fps only games in 2016/last gen you are running on nuclear leves of Copium. Especially since Redfall looks like a mid game from 2016 so it shouldn't be hard to have a 60fps mode on seriesX.

"Also, many experts (Digital Foundry in mind) acknowledge that all upcoming games will probably run at 30 FPS on current hardware"

FFXVI, Street Fighter 6 and Diablo 4 are confirmed to run at 60fps... what upcoming game is going to run at 30fps only?

[Petebloodyonion]

@Versus
Care to show me where Square promised a 60 FPS/4K mode for FFXVI?
you're having a 60 FPS /performance mode where the quality drops at 1440P
Where's Zelda's performance mode at 720P?

As for the standard NOW it's funny because 60 FPS/1080P was the supposed NOW standard in 2014 until ND said that 30 FPS was their decision to bring more fidelity to the single-player experience.
Or do you want me to point out the countless article from back then showing cross-gen games and remasters hitting that great 60 FPS?

Now I Don't excuse Redfall for not having a performance mode but the game is currently 4 K/30 FPS exactly the same as FFXVI Quality mode.
Redfall should have a performance mode but Zelda also could have a performance mode.

"what upcoming game is going to run at 30fps only?"
What upcoming game that will not be found or playable on the last gen system is true 4k/60 FPS?

[darkrider]

They aren't the same but Zelda is not locked at 30 frames. And that's the minimum that gamers must demand. Being the switch it get a free pass. Everybody knows that.

Nintendo does one version of the game from a machine with seven years. Graphics wise this the same as the last game.

[NotoriousWhiz]

You guys act like games with low res graphics can't be masterpieces. Some one could release a brilliant game for the Sega Genesis tomorrow, and if it's a masterpiece, then it's a masterpiece. Doesn't matter that it's in SD.

[darkrider]

That's not what I'm saying. But reviews must take everything in count. Perfect scores mean that there is nothing below average, beside the fact that games with 10 are setting standards to beat.

The reality isnt that. This game is amazing for the switch. Great game but it's just that. If this game wasn't from Nintendo and was called Velda it wouldn't get 10.

Nintendo always get their games with inflated scores. And Nintendo gamers start immediately comparing it to next Gen games when there isn't comparison because they are generations ahead. Where rpg lose points with everything.

Something simple as talking isn't still possible in the best rpg ever made. Something so simple that gamers don't even think nowadays...

[shinoff2183]

Darkrider,

I've been saying for years they've gotten to loose with review scores. I feel review scores back in the day reflected on the game alot more then they do today.

I just got that from reading your post and figured I'd throw it out there. Back in the day they weren't afraid to throw a 3 out of 10 game big aaa or not. Now a days it seems they are. Then you have biased places(like redfall getting an 8 of 10), it happens for Sony as well and damn sure happens with Nintendo. I swear alot of sites just seem afraid to give an honest opinion or they give a honest opinion but the score they forgive at the end doesn't match up.

Also there's definitely talking in the best jrpg ever made lol(it isn't Zelda)

[NotoriousWhiz]

I think that's where a lot of people are mistaken. A 10/10 game does not mean that its perfect. No game is perfect and never will be. It means that it's minor blemishes don't have a significant impact on the quality of the product.

And to be honest, graphics are the least important part of a game. Still important but the least important.

[darkrider]

Least important. So why aren't you playing on the Gameboy. Please...

[NotoriousWhiz]

I may not be playing on the game boy, but I've recently been playing a lot of SNES, GBA, DOS, and xbox 360 games. Those are no less fun being at sub 4k.

[darkrider]

Fun card is an excuse. Any game can be fun.

It's not a question of 4k, 120 frames. Is a question of evolution on gaming and pushing forward gaming. Not more on the same. Not full price games running at sub 20 frames and getting perfect scores

[NotoriousWhiz]

The whole purpose of games is to be fun lol. What are you even saying? If the fun isn't there, it doesn't matter how many frames or how many pixels are being rendered. Yes any game can be fun, but not every game is fun. And that's the whole point of the review system is to determine just how much fun is it. Not to determine how perfect it is.

[darkrider]

But who creates a game that isn't made to be fun? That's not a point. The gold of every game is that. But when you review a game and gives a perfect score.

You can't be cancel on social media just buy saying Zelda is boring or Zelda is far from being a perfect rpg in 2023. This is happening. You get slaughter if you say anything bad about this game.

[NotoriousWhiz]

We'll have to agree to disagree. Some good recent examples being Vampire Survivors and Celeste. I fully believe they deserve the scores they got despite outdated graphics. (Celeste is 92% metacritic and Vampire Survivors is 87%)

[SouljAx360]

It is hypocritical if your sole reason for liking Zelda is 30FPS, and your sole reason for disliking Redfall is because it runs at 30FPS. There is a reason why so many people are playing the game on an emulator and not a Switch.

Charging 70 bucks for that low res, low FPS, terrible looking game should be a crime. I mean sure it's fun, but damn it's ugly. They need to release the Super Switch ASAP. Nintendo is holding back it's own developers with that ancient tech.

[jznrpg]

The sole reason not to like Redfall is that’s it’s a crappy game. crappy AI and crappy level design. 60fps would change nothing in Redfall

[OG_TK_Cole]

Comparing Tears Of The Kingdom being 30fps to Redfall being 30fps is not the same. Redfall is a first-person shooter, and 60fps is an accessibility necessity. Tears Of The Kingdom is a open-world adventure game. Please stop being intellectually disingenuous. RESPECTFULLY!

[Petebloodyonion]

Then care to explain to us why an open-world action-adventure is more demanding than an FPS open-world action-adventure?
Or are you saying that if Zelda Tears of Kingdom add a FPS mode then this mode would be 60 FPS instead of 30?

[OG_TK_Cole]

@Petebloodyonion
Im not doing this with you. You know exactly why you cant compare the two. A lot of you guys on this message board try to play circle jerk games with each other, im not willing to do that. Bethesda and Arkane Studios released a terrible game, Nintendo didnt. Now you can either accept that, or do what the weirdo's are doing, cry and go review bomb a website. Regardless of what you decide, The Legend Of Zelda: Tears Of The Kingdom will be nominated for Game Of The Year.

[randomvoice]

Don't compare a turd to a diamond please. One is limited by hardware while the other was limited by incompetence in the MS camp.

[jznrpg]

Redfall was promised 60fps and launched with 30fps as the target but didn’t hit that all the time with the supposed beast current gen machine.

I do think it’s time for better hardware for Nintendo but they aren’t the same situation at all.

[shammgod]

One is a hardware problem one is a software problem

[Viljong]

It still feel a bit unfair when zelda score higher than lets say god of war ragnarök which has triple A graphics, sounds, acting,writing and gamdplay etc. Zelda doesnt even havf voice acting technicslly its super simply

[ChasterMies]

Back in 1995, we didn’t compare GameBoy games to PlayStation games. So why would anyone compare a handheld game to a console game today?

[darkrider]

That's one the problems. We can't. And what is scary is that Nintendo gamers are doing that.

[shinoff2183]

Deus

True enough

Nintendo got a little tricky though cause the switch was there next console , then they discontinued the 3ds so switch plays both roles. Hence the switch lifetime sales. Might get hated but if the switch isn't portable it don't hit 100 million sold. Those handheld players had to go somewhere. Steamdeck isn't a viable option for most, and even more don't know what a steamdeck is.

[SilentZeroX]

Why wouldn't it be? Tears of the Kingdoms costs 70 dollars. Many of you are saying that Tears of the kingdoms runs on weaker hardware, but that's Nintendo's problem, and it's not like the switch is selling at a much lower price. The OLED switch costs almost as much as the digital edition of PS5

[Duke19]

Literally the definition of hypocrisy. It’s 2023 and it’s fair to say that 30 fps limits (especially action games struggling to hit 30) is NOT acceptable.

Doesn’t matter if it’s a good game like Zelda or a shit game like Redfall- just call it the same and don’t say “oh it’s fine in THIS instance”.

The mental gymnastics on this site is bonkers

[Profchaos]

Yeah I have more problems with incorrect frame pacing and stutter than I do 30 v 60.

I played rdr 2 for 200 hours did i care it was 30 fps on PS pro nope didn't notice why because outside of the big city I noticed no slowdown stutter or frame pacing issues the camera was smooth the entire time.

When animation is a clunky 30 fps that's a problem and unacceptable when animation and the game is built properly around 30 fps it's fine.

Notice also that so many people are quick to dunk on a game as having sub par visuals but running at 60nfps as ugly that's literally the trade off you have to make you can't have ray tracing and high resolution graphics and assets all at the same time on modern consoles they are powerful but they are still limited.

Redfail has far more issues than 30 fps if that's all the problems were it wouldn't be getting such harsh feedback it takes 1 minute to load in pretty much all the assets on xsx a little less actually on xss. There's bugs everywhere the 30 fps isn't sustained and it's just a technically bad game.

Zelda isn't going to win any awards with isn't graphics but it still pushes it's respective platform quite hard to actually achieve greater draw distances and expanded world from botw did anyone seriously expect a console pushing a tegra x1 to do 60 here I mean it's a mobile chipset and a the game has a very sophisticated physics simulation engine running it's a miracle it runs at all.

[darkrider]

Sorry but Zelda is getting reviews as the best rpg ever made. No points deduction for anything.

You are saying that this game is the best rpg ever made?

By 2023 Nintendo should be able to make Zelda close with the quality of the cgi on the GameCube and not like a wii u game.

[Binarycode]

Different types of games.

Why would anyone compare them anyway.

You like what you like regardless of opinions, views. blah blah.

Game of the year so far for me is Easily Resident evil 4 remake.

[XxSPIDEYxX]

There is a bit of hypocrisy there. So many people have trashed 30fps, even prior to RedFall. "It's unacceptable in 2023 to have your game run at 30fps." The big thing however is RedFalls promotional footage all ran at 60fps. So there was false advertising, while Zelda never did any such thing.

[shinoff2183]

60 fps was not false advertising. They added a little sticker and said its coming. Sheesh

[GoodGuy09]

30fps is fine for the switch as it is a handheld after all...and good lord tears looks incredible just as botw was. I still think it's insane Nintendo can make a game look that good on the hardware.

[darkrider]

Looks incredible? maybe for a portable dated machine. Even the animations are for from what's achieved by today standards.

[Abear21]

Oh dang this is ugly, meanwhile…on PlayStation. Can you say, mid-gen refresh? Although, not sure it matters when any combo of budget, talent, or hardware is lacking.

[CobraKai]

I don’t think it’s just black and white like this. Honestly I take into consideration graphical density, effects, and resolution before deciding if I play a game with 30 fps vs 60 fps. I don’t expect TOTK to be 60 just from the amount of physics involved, but there’s nothing I’ve seen in Redfall that warrants 30 fps.

[darkrider]

Amount of physics? Really? For what? Give an example of that?

[CobraKai]

You mean like how you can climb a tree, chop down a tree, which can roll down an hill, and land/float on water. Or when the capsules roll down from Zonai dispensers. Wind physics affect the game world as grass and long clothing sway appropriately. The physics lets people have fun experimenting with what they build

[VariantAEC]

You realize Just Cause (2006) did basically all of that on PS3/Xbox 360 and then Just Cause 2 (2009 also on PS3/Xbox 360) and then Just Cause 3 (2015 PS4/XO) did it even better with makeshift flying machines and the like all before The Legend of Zelda: Breath of The Wild (2017) ever shipped right???

Almost nothing Zelda did was actually ground breaking, about the only thing I can think of is the fact that you can climb basically any vertical and upside down surface, aside from that, I can't think of a single thing TLoZ:BoTW/ToTK did that wasn't done before. You can even combine things in Just Cause 3 using the teather and while it's technically not as flexible as the Fusion Gauntlet it's basically the same thing.

[smashman98]

Is this what we do now? Write articles in response to troll comments from a fan base bitter about the fact that the only good AAA exclusive in the past 3 years has been a racing game?

[Killa78]

Frame rate wars are silly.

A locked 30 is fine if the graphical fidelity justifies it, a locked 60 is fine and an unlocked 60+ is fine as long as drops aren't jarring.

Redfall runs poorly all round and the graphical fidelity does not justify 30fps.

[VariantAEC]

Jak and Daxter Jak 2 and Jak 3 were all 60FPS and in some regards did more than The Legend of Zelda: Tears of The Kingdom. Haven: Call of The King was a PS2 game as well as an open-world story-driven space opera (because you flew from planet to planet in that game as the player - it's hard to explain the novelty that game made you feel when it first released especially since it's 20 years old now).

[Rhythmattic]

Ummmm.. Because it wasn't spec'd at 60fps?
FFS... Stoooooopid az fk.

[Viljong]

Nintendo games need their own scale for scoring. Nowhere zelda is comparable to games like elden ring, god of war etc. These games are cinematic, epic graphics, gameplay,story,music,voiceacti ng with huge ammount of technical innovatives, artists, writes world class coder and game makers combine to crear something incredible and never seen.

Then nintendo comes like a derp train, with simple game without voice acting or super simple yahoo noices and sub 720p game with 30fps that looks like mobilegame. Game has no proper story, acting or anything. Just the gameplay which is fun but simple and repetive aswell. Turds like mario kart and zeldas dont deserve the same scoring than Triple A games. Sure nintendo games are fun for any1 but they are just simple games made with minimal effort. You dont think about the story or characters becouse they are alwaysthe same marios and such with simple setting. Switch being 0.4Tflop machine doesnt give it games a free goty pass from mobile performance its nintendos fault and 0.4tflop games sub 720p sub 30fps should be reviewed as such what the gameplay present