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Hellblade 2 is in Such a Strange Position

The highly-anticipated sequel to Hellblade has been held up in the works for years now, and the franchise finds itself in an awkward position.

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Knushwood Butt500d ago

Hmm, this article can be summarized in one sentence, 'A reason for this delay in production could be the new partnership between Microsoft and Ninja Theory.'.

Even so, weren't NT gushing that MS were going to let them do what they want?

Sonyslave3500d ago

Yup not only that but with increase funding the scope of 2 is going to be bigger then 1.

crazyCoconuts500d ago

Do we know the scope has been increased? I was expecting a similar sized AA game as the original

Jin_Sakai500d ago

I had almost forgot about this game. Definitely need to see more gameplay.

shinoff2183499d ago

How'd you forgot alot of them are calling it the God of War killer lol

MadLad500d ago

Ninja Theory haven't released a game I didn't like.

Thundercat77500d ago (Edited 500d ago )

@MadLad

Ninja Theory haven't released a game under MS management. This is going to be the first so this could be the turning point for them and for the first time, release something not that great.

MadLad500d ago

@thunder

You most definitely can hope for that, if you wish.

crazyCoconuts500d ago

I'm glass half full on this. Yeah, MS, but it's still Ninja Theory doing the work, so I'm excited. I don't expect this to be like God of War or anything, so I'm not setting myself up for disappointment...

Imalwaysright499d ago (Edited 499d ago )

Thundercat77

Actually they did. MS published their 1st game: Kung Fu Chaos and apparently MS helped them refine the game but failed to market it properly and ended up being a commercial and financial failure.

"The development team assembled a gameplay demo of Kung Fu Chaos and presented it to Microsoft Games Studios. They were willing to provide funding for the game's development in order to have a strong line-up for their then-upcoming console, the Xbox. The publishing team at Microsoft was described as "helpful", assisting the team in refining the game during its production. Yet Microsoft failed to market the game properly. For example, no advertisements were prepared for the launch. While the game was critically praised, Kung Fu Chaos' sales were hugely disappointing, and the game was a financial failure for the firm. At the time, Antoniades was disappointed and shocked that Microsoft would "send [the game] out to die," but understood Microsoft's decision to put their resources into other more profitable projects.[2]"

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DOMination-499d ago

The problem is MS seem to be very hands-off. That's a great trait if the studios have strong personalities already in charge because Matt Booty doesn't seem particularly competent

NT will be fine with Tameem around.

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ManMarmalade500d ago

@madlad What about that unnecessary DmC reboot??

Ra3v3r499d ago

You mean the DMC reboot that was actually pretty good gameplay wise, but the "fans" hated it cos it wasn't the same old Dante? Capcom let them make it and were clearly happy with the direction it was headed. NT didn't just wake up one day and say "hey, let's make something using someone else's IP. I'm sure they won't mind". Someone at Capcom must have been happy with the pitch otherwise it would never have been made.

The Wood499d ago

MS probably wanna add multiplayer or a service element as their fans tend to shun 1n'done experiences for some weird reason.

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RaidenBlack500d ago

Budget increased so scope increased ... and newer bigger scope requires more time.

Crows90500d ago

Uhuh. Yes just like crackdown 3

crazyCoconuts500d ago

I can't imagine Ninja Theory releasing something that bad

Crows90499d ago

@crazycoconuts
Me neither but his reasoning was so flawed I had to say it.

Lexreborn2499d ago

Crackdown 3 isn’t a bad game, it’s just not the game that was promised. I often wonder if that’s because of the increased budget and new technology or if it was always going to be a decent game marketed as being amazing.

Hellblade 2 will likely be a good game. But if it’s like crackdown 3 it won’t be amazing.

--Onilink--499d ago

That doesnt make his point any less valid. Its clear the scope is bigger this time and that will take more time, whether that means a better game..time will tell. Bigger isnt always better

Scope creep is definitely a potential problem in game development, especially if they are suddenly working on something bigger than they’ve had to work on before.

DarXyde499d ago

I got a chuckle out of that, but I find this difficult to compare, honestly. Crackdown 3 was hyped to hell and back and started the whole "Powah of da cloud" thing. Spencer also said he saw it ahead of launch and it was looking good. It reminded me of the marketing for the original Suicide Squad where they were talking about how much work the actors put into their roles (watching cannibal videos for Killer Croc, Jared Leto being weird, etc.) and there was no talk about how the movie itself was looking. Well, we found out and that was Crackdown 3.

We know very little about Hellblade 2. I suspect it's going to be a very strong entry if you enjoyed the original. The silence in this case feels more like they just don't want to talk about it until they're closer to launch. I can't say I really enjoyed Ninja Theory titles I've played, but they quality of their titles can't be disputed (Bleeding Edge being an exception as it went against their strengths).

Hellblade 2 looks like it's going to be playing to their strengths. We will see how it turns out, though I personally believe Microsoft is well aware that they aren't welcome in the kitchen and they need to let Ninja Theory do their thing.

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Good-Smurf499d ago

Doesn't say much when even Remedy made a dud with Quantum Break and it also have big budget and plenty of time cooking it.
Not to mention Halo Infinite.

sadraiden500d ago

I'm not concerned. Hellblade 1 was crazy, but it's gonna be just practice for this title.

Godmars290499d ago

All depends what you're expecting out of it: a private gaming experience or a title that well defines the Xbox game brand.

Sonic1881500d ago

This game should come out this year

DarXyde499d ago

Yeah, I don't think so either. I expect an update and possible release date, but that's it.

crazyCoconuts500d ago

I'm hoping they can still innovate and drive a good story. Hellblade 1 was so unique in many ways and the novelty married with the beautiful art/scenery really made the game. The gameplay itself was actually a bit clunky but the story is what really shined

Kyizen499d ago

This...it worked cause it was 6 to 8 hours and unique. The puzzles and combat drove me nuts and were mediocre at best but the main character, audio (Only game where I say headphones are a must) and story line were top notch. But will that work in a 20 hour romp or be filled with needless padding.

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Hellblade 2: Senua’s Saga Review – Giant Voices of Psychosis | MP1st

Hellblade 2: Senua’s Saga: Review – A sequel that builds upon the original's psychosis theme, but still lacking in gameplay depth.

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Hellblade 2 Review Embargo Lifts On Launch Day

The review embargo for Hellblade 2 appears to lift on the same date as the launch of the game, just an hour before it's available.

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blackblades5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Reviews dont usually spoil its usually the players that get it early spoils it

Cacabunga5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Like all other games being reviewed before launch day ?

This game will disappoint many players. Ninja Theory’s last game

Barlos5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

A well written review normally won't spoil anything though.

Come on, we all know it's usually not a good sign when the review embargo lifts on launch day. Doesn't mean to say the game is going to be bad or anything, but it does often point to a lack of confidence.

OtterX5d ago

@Cacabunga Microsoft will dismantle Ninja Theory, even if the game reviews well, Bc that's how they roll! 😎

_SilverHawk_5d ago

That's quite strange and early. They should lift review embargo a week after the game launches

Cacabunga5d ago

OtterX

Unfortunately true.
I wish they stayed independant and signed with big publishers to develop some great licences like DMC.
I think Heavenly Sword 2 would def be successful if done right. Same way they can be the Bluepoint Games of action games.

Crows905d ago

Ummm...review embargos have nothing to do with spoilers...if someone gets it early they can still spoil it

romulus235d ago

Games can be reviewed without spoiling.

ThinkThink5d ago

If they didn't provide review copies until launch day, I would agree with you, but reviewers got their review codes this week. Since it's only an 8 hour game, that's plenty of time to have a review ready. I'm taking the studio heads word though, based on yesterday's interview.

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lelo2play5d ago

Reviews on launch day is never a good sign.
If this games fails, goodbye Ninja Theory.

MrBaskerville5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

There has been good games where this happened. I think they did it to Arkanes Prey, which was a very good game. But it shows a lack of interest/faith from the publisher.

With Senua I think it's more that Ms could 't care less about a prestige project like this atm. They have pivoted and only want big hitters, so why put money in supporting Senua? Just throw it out there and move on. It's the last part of their old vision for xbox and no longer relevat. A Phil Spencer game.

Sadly. Game will probably be very good, like the first one.

romulus235d ago

Potentially even if it doesn't fail. HiFi Rush was critically praised by journalists and gamers alike and look what happened to Tango.

PapaBop4d ago

Well they'll be in good company, next Microsoft will have to buy EA for their graveyard building expertise, I'm sure Spencer would only just dig half a grave now, then finish it later.

Ninver4d ago

Even if it does remotely well they're still getting the 🪓 from lumberjack MS.

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DarXyde5d ago

Personally, I think the game will flop commercially. It doesn't really have any visible marketing campaign from what I can tell. It's also clearly got a hefty budget and development cycle. I'm sure this doesn't have a AA budget.

Critically... I'm not sure. I think if it's judged as its own product, it'll be fine. 85+ on metacritic, I'm thinking. But the problems I see this game's score running into are comparisons to the original which touched on some fascinating concepts (and thereby set a high bar already) and the time between announcement and release. Quite some time, and this was the game that introduced the Series X. I think if reviewers and gamers remove themselves from those two things, it's a good game. But my sense is that's going to influence perceptions quite a bit.

MrBaskerville5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Would have been a perfect launch title tbh . The way it showcases the power of xbox.

seanpitt234d ago

6/10 confirmed.. they are definitely hiding something probably the length and replay value

Bathyj4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I mean what does it even matter? People aren't going to buy it anyway. They are going to play it on Game pass.

Will they not download it if the reviews don't come out the day of release?

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Tacoboto5d ago

That's not a good sign.

Review codes have been sent out as of 8 hours ago (according to Tom Henderson on X) so at least they aren't withholding those... But you'd think with confidence they'd want positive reviews to get buzz going online the weekend before release.

... But if they're expecting mid reviews, yeah sure lift that embargo when most people are asleep.

Kornholic5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

MS might be withholding review codes from more critical reviewers to inflate the launch window Metascore. Just like they did with Starfield.

Jingsing5d ago

Yeah, They've been doing that for a while. Picking and choosing publications. At the end of the day if you do that then don't be surprised if that taints reviewers attitude towards your game.

helicoptergirl5d ago

This is the first time I'm starting to think that MS may actually want this game to not do well so they can more easily justify closing the studio down? Am I crazy for suddenly thinking that? I mean, no advertising. Review embargo on launch day? This game and studio goes against what Matt Booty has said they will be focusing on going forward in regards to their business.

I know people were speculating and half joking that Ninja Theory "is next". But this is the first time I get that feeling in my stomach. I'm probably thinking too much into it. Anyway, I hope I'm wrong.

MrBaskerville5d ago

Wouldn't go that far, but they must have spent a fortune on it and I can't imagine it being very profitable. I don't think current day MS would greenlight it.

DarXyde5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

More appropriately, it makes more sense to believe they really expected the acquisitions of such major publishers to increase game pass subs with high retention. This doesn't seem to be the case though, and Activision cost an extraordinary penny.

At this point, it's just about turning things around quickly.

However, I don't think you're wrong either. It's not about wanting to close them, per se, and that might be the secret metric for success they haven't disclosed: "Did this new game drive Sub growth by a certain percentage?" In that case, even a very well received game could doom a studio if it doesn't generate enough interest or hype in Game Pass. It's very safe to assume that XGP is very clearly aligned to closures. It's become damn near THE metric for Xbox. So when a game isn't played much or generating subs, studio closes. I think this is extremely problematic for Ninja Theory if true. I can't say I know many people playing through their games more than once and I don't see Hell blade 2 driving user retention either.

TheColbertinator5d ago

Nice. I could speedrun it by midnight and go to sleep after.

Notellin5d ago

It's a walking simulator you can't speed run them. It's a power walking game.

crazyCoconuts4d ago

That's the kinda funny thing about all the concern for the game... It's only like 8 hours... Good or bad a very small portion of my gaming time will be impacted.
If GTA6 got hosed, on the other hand, I'd probably cry lol

Flakegriffin5d ago

Zero marketing and embargo lifts when the game launches?

No confidence from team Xbox.

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Hellblade 2's Photo Mode Looks Ridiculously Detailed In New Footage

We're another day closer to the release of Senua's Saga: Hellblade 2 on May 21st, and that means Ninja Theory is continuing to tease us with new snippets of info and footage - including a closer look at the game's Photo Mode.

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thesoftware7306d ago

I like photo modes. I will find some awesome shots and use them as wallpaper on my SX.

KicksnSnares6d ago

Gears 6 is going to look insane on UE5. The Coalition are UE experts. Hellblade 2 is going to be epic.

P_Bomb6d ago

First game’s photo mode had some sweet filters. Even if they just port those over, I’ll be good!