Oblivion PS3 Downgraded. Xbox 360 upgraded? Wii errr... Never.

An article over at Joystiq.com suggest so

-- "When we learned that the PS3 version of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion would not feature the majority of downloadable content found on the Xbox 360 and PC versions of the game, it was a blow to fans of horse armor everywhere. This weeks episode of The 1UP Show (02/02) provides the follow-up hook as Managing Editor Garnett Lee relays a juicy bit of info from Bethesda. As it turns out, it's due to a memory limitation with the Playstation 3 itself."

Read the full article for more details on the PS3, Xbox 360 and rumored Wii versions.

[T-Virus]

I want to hear the spin on this one please?

[Maddens Raiders]

From the IGN interview with Oblivion VP of Marketing, Peter Hines 8/2/07:

--"In fact, the other reason why the downloadable content for the PS3 version of the game isn't included isn't solely because of the technical limitations of the system. Instead, it's because the designers haven't actually tested the PlayStation Network Store and the mechanisms for delivering content to systems. Considering that the development team has been spending a large amount of time making sure that the game transitions over to the PS3 well without the numerous bugs or glitches that plagued the PC and 360 versions of the game, working on the store was definitely a low priority on their list when it came to dedicating additional resources to that feature. But it is being worked on, and it will be coming at a later date."

--.."So what about the shaders or optimizations? Rumors were released stating that everything in the PS3 version of the game would migrate over to the 360 or the PC, which kicked off a screaming match on boards about which version was ultimately better. According to Hines, the shader functionality that would re-render the low-res textures would inevitably make its way to the 360 build and PC in future updates. However, certain optimizations that take advantage of the system's hardware will remain exclusive to the PS3 version of the game."

Now spin that. What else? =]

[techie]

Apparently. It's all about learning how to use the memory. At the moment it's not as easy as all that.

[TheMART]

Hahaha how great is this AGAIN

Man we had to hear DJ, Jin, Juevani, , PS3fan and all those other PS fanboys crying about:

COD3
FNR3

all the version would be better looking when the PS3 arrived. I've seen multiple articles before they were released, hyping up the games and then they came out and...

The 360 version looked better always!

Once more, the Oblivion stuff... We already heard that the new shader, drawing distance etc. would be implemented by a downloadable patch for PC/360 and now... We learn that once more, the 360 hardware choice is more optimal for gaming.

Like a real gamer always had known already. So DJ what will be your twist story AGAIN?

"it just so happens that the new shader techniques applied to the PS3 will also be worked into the 360 version of the game. And thus, they are equals once more. "

OMG

" As it turns out, it's due to a memory limitation with the Playstation 3 itself.

Bethesda simply could not find a way to load every piece of downloadable content without affecting the performance of the game. Considering that the Xbox 360 can pull off this feat without a hitch, it looks like the $1 billion dollar gamble has paid off again for Microsoft."

If one has bought the PS3 I bet they're really are looking into selling that overhyped videoplayer and buy the real next gen system with premium online service, the 360

@ DJ (below)

you're getting really funny now. I just quoted Managing Editor Garnett Lee from Bethesda. Raist nor FX know better then him I guess, right?

It's just proven over and over again that you and those other brainwashed Sony fanboys always twist and lie.

I heard you also with Gears before it came out. "It'll never live up to the hype", "It will be a mediocore game in the end", "they won't make the graphics shown" blablabla

And then it came out, it hit about 9.5 average scores and what? You are all quiet. I bet when Oblivion comes out and looks worse then the 360 version you'll be quiet also. I am enjoying every moment when reality and the truth got you guys pwned big time

[DJ]

I think it's time for you to retire from these BS posts. Must be hard dealing with all that denial everyday.

[THAMMER1]

We know you know all about denil. I mean just read your own post history. You an not really avaid me. So you should get a 360 so we can play Halo 3. I know you wan to. J/K LOLOLOLOLOLOL um no I'm for real.

[Thugbot187]

Man this is funny we can look back at the post where they said it would have better graphics than the 360 and what you guys were saying. Then there was the whole PS3 is way better than the 360. Well what it looks like here is PS3 not living up to the hype once again.

[MoonDust]

"Oblivion sucks anyways", "they are too lazy to unlock the real power of the PS3.", "this site is paid by MSFT.", "This doesn't prove anything".

[Raist]

"The PS3 version of Oblivion isn't a simple port of the game either, although players who have picked up the 360 version will be very familiar with the control scheme. For one thing, the PS3 version has been optimized to take advantage of the Cell processor and hardware that the system offers. As a result, the game runs a lot faster than the 360 build. Entering dungeons or buildings results in a load of 3-5 seconds, compared to the 7-10 seconds or longer for the 360 version of the game. Similarly, the amount of framerate drops or hitches that cropped up in the wilderness as you accessed a new area on the 360 have been substantially reduced on the PS3 version. There is a plan to completely eradicate these issues as the game nears release, as well as fixing a number of bugs that were present in the other builds. Kiss the item duplication glitch goodbye.

The visual presentation of Oblivion has also been significantly enhanced. While it was a beautiful title on the 360, far off environmental details often displayed low resolution textures. This has been fixed with new shaders dedicated to rendering the foreground cleanly with sharper details, so rocky landscapes now have craggy appearances instead of smooth, non-distinct surfaces. While there is still a fair amount of pop-in that occurs (which can't be helped due to the size of the world), the draw distance is farther than the 360 version. As a result, screens from the PS3 version should approach those from high end PCs running Oblivion, which is an impressive feat."

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

[TheXgamerLive]

The ps3 is more powerful and their to lazy to (here's the good part) fully utilize the power of the ps3 cell processor and RSX combo. LOL!!!!

It's underpowered for gaming, way underpowered!!! The truth is thrown, shoved even in there faces, on an almost daily basis but fools like this guy and so many others will continue to listen to songs played by a false DJ.

The ps3 isn't, and wasn't designed by sony or the trio team for gaming, but instead to fully utilize the cell to carry out multiple tasks at one time. (dont get excited now) Multiple small tasks such as spead sheets etc...but for gaming it's a hinderance and not a help. This "TRUTH" you keep hearing is said by those that would most profit so cut the MS ownes them BS, it does in the fact that the Xbox 360 is the gaming king and sony is a sinking ship, once thought to be a battle ship but was just a passenger ship all along.

You can love your ps3 and play some great games on it but it's not going to EVER be the king of gaming this time round due to it's limitations. Take it or leave it.

[CyberSentinel]

A $600 dollar system that cant display armor on a horse.

[bluhefner]

How the hell is the PS3 underpowered when it can run the Havok 4.5 engine which is 5-10 faster then Havok 4.0 (which is the one Bungie is using for Halo 3). U make no sense.

[MoonDust]

Show me where it says Bungie is using that engine.

[bluhefner]

http://ps3.qj.net/Showing-o...

At the bottom of the article it states Havok 4.0 is being used for Halo 3 and Sonic series, its old.

http://ps3.qj.net/Havok-4-5...

And heres a link to where it says PS3 can run Havok 4.5.

[The Snake]

Ok now for a link that says the 360 can't run Havok 4.5 please. Just because Halo uses an older version doesn't mean the platform can't handle the newer version.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

“How the hell is the PS3 underpowered when it can run the Havok 4.5 engine which is 5-10 faster then Havok 4.0”

Just because the PS3 can run Havok 4.5 doesn’t mean it will play games right.
My computer will run Vista and DX10 but won’t play Crysis. Why? Because of some of the same hardware limitations TheMart had pointed out in comment #3.

“(which is the one Bungie is using for Halo 3). U make no sense.”

That makes no sense, Havok 4.5 is new they have been working on Halo 3 for about three years (there was no 4.5 then Jan. 23, 2007)

http://ps3.qj.net/Havok-4-5...
“And heres a link to where it says PS3 can run Havok 4.5”

What are you trying to say the 360 cant and the PS3 can or what?

“San Francisco, Calif., Jan. 23, 2007 – Havok announces today the official release of Havok 4.5, the latest update to its modular suite of artist tools and run-time technology. Fully optimized for Sony PLAYSTATION®3, as well as Microsoft Xbox360 and Nintendo Wii, Havok 4.5 dramatically accelerates the development of cross-platform, cutting edge electronic games, meeting the needs of the world’s top developers and producers.” http://www.havok.com/conten...

[xfrgtr]

All you 360 fanboys you should read this and STFU:
"When we posted our preview of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, we talked about the various improvements that had been made to the PS3 version, such as the optimized load times and enhanced graphical presentation thanks to new pixel shaders that displayed sharper details. We also pointed out that while the Knights of the Nine side quest would be included, other downloadable content would not initially be included in the game. Needless to say, this information spawned a host of rumors on the boards and across the Internet. To separate the fact from the fiction about Oblivion on the PS3, we went directly to Pete Hines, the VP of Public Relations and Marketing at Bethesda Softworks for the true details behind the game.
Rumors were rampant about the reasons behind the lack of downloadable content. Other websites have reported that the justification behind the missing missions and features was due to technical limitations of the console. According to Hines, nothing could be farther from the truth. There were two specific reasons behind why items like the Orrery and Mehrunes's Razor will not be included within the PS3 version of the game. First of all, there was a concern about the balancing of the game and initially giving players access to a thieves den or a wizard's tower immediately at the start of the game. "There was no good way to incorporate these features into the game as soon as it started because it didn't make sense," Hines said. While he didn't rule out the possibility of some of these side quests or features making it into the game, it wouldn't necessarily be as soon as the game hit store shelves.

In fact, the other reason why the downloadable content for the PS3 version of the game isn't included isn't solely because of the technical limitations of the system. Instead, it's because the designers haven't actually tested the PlayStation Network Store and the mechanisms for delivering content to systems. Considering that the development team has been spending a large amount of time making sure that the game transitions over to the PS3 well without the numerous bugs or glitches that plagued the PC and 360 versions of the game, working on the store was definitely a low priority on their list when it came to dedicating additional resources to that feature. But it is being worked on, and it will be coming at a later date."
http://ps3.ign.com/articles...
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!STFU 360 fanboys,youre just a bunch of liers and the ps3 is much much better than the 360 and Oblivion has just proven it,hahahaha!!!

[Antan]

"HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!STFU 360 fanboys,youre just a bunch of liers and the ps3 is much much better than the 360 and Oblivion has just proven it,hahahaha!!!"

Easy tiger!

[UrbanJabroni]

before you tell anyone on this site to "STFU." Pot...kettle...black.

[blackmagic]

hmmm... take another gander at the Peter Hines response that you yourself posted fx35:

"In fact, the other reason why the downloadable content for the PS3 version of the game isn't included isn't >SOLELY< because of the technical limitations of the system"

Here's my take... The ps3 uses 96MB of ram for it's OS, the 360 uses 32MB leaving the PS3 with a 64MB deficit compared to the 360. Clearly, Bethesda has managed to shoehorn the game into the available ram on the ps3. If the game engine runs then I imagine current and future map or mission based expansions such as mehrune's razor will not be an issue and will become available online. However, current and future expansions such as the horse armor which require skins/graphical models to be added to npc's may indeed offer significant challenges if this option wasn't able to fit into the smaller available system ram without introducing negative effects on framerates for example. Obviously, I am not a bethesda developer and this is only a thought based scenario but it does illustrate that some aspects of the engine may have needed to be cut to get the game running at the level they wanted and these may changes may have meant that the expansions are not possible in their current form. After some reworking, they will likely become available and maybe some elements will never make it due to negative trade-offs to get them working.

Just my $0.02...

[Antan]

Come on guys, lets just wait and see shall we.......yes on the one hand there is THAT 1up interview, then there is another interview with Pete Hines from Bethseda who said this.

"Rumors were rampant about the reasons behind the lack of downloadable content. Other websites have reported that the justification behind the missing missions and features was due to technical limitations of the console. According to Hines, nothing could be farther from the truth. There were two specific reasons behind why items like the Orrery and Mehrunes's Razor will not be included within the PS3 version of the game. First of all, there was a concern about the balancing of the game and initially giving players access to a thieves den or a wizard's tower immediately at the start of the game. "There was no good way to incorporate these features into the game as soon as it started because it didn't make sense," Hines said. While he didn't rule out the possibility of some of these side quests or features making it into the game, it wouldn't necessarily be as soon as the game hit store shelves".

and this.

"So what about the shaders or optimizations? Rumors were released stating that everything in the PS3 version of the game would migrate over to the 360 or the PC, which kicked off a screaming match on boards about which version was ultimately better. According to Hines, the shader functionality that would re-render the low-res textures would inevitably make its way to the 360 build and PC in future updates. However, certain optimizations that take advantage of the system's hardware will remain exclusive to the PS3 version of the game".

Of course the majority of ports/multi titles perform best on 360, but i think a bit unfair with this game until it hits the shops, every preview thus far has said it looks and performs better than the 360, of course they were saying this about other PS3 games before they hit the shops!!!
Im on the fence for now, but it doesn`t matter because the 360 owners were playing it a year ago right?

[zonetrooper5]

Wow you get a some bugs fixed and it looks a little better, its still not going to make be buy the PS3. Its an awesome game if you have alot of time to play it, it takes time but i have been playing this on my Xbox 360 for months now. I just want to find out more about Killzone 2 and MGS4.

[THAMMER1]

And the CEll RSX combo mixed with the split RAM this is expected. If you did not expect this you are kidding your self.

But over all it should still be a great game. If you have not played it give it a shot on your PS3.

[DJ]

The fact that they're getting more out of a split-memory architecture than a unified architecture shows the benefits of Sony's design decisions. You'd think MS would've learned their lesson on the original Xbox.

[TheMART]

Huh DJ do you even read stuff???

" As it turns out, it's due to a memory limitation with the Playstation 3 itself.

Bethesda simply could not find a way to load every piece of downloadable content without affecting the performance of the game. Considering that the Xbox 360 can pull off this feat without a hitch, it looks like the $1 billion dollar gamble has paid off again for Microsoft."

I don't think that's in favour of the PS3 split memory.

Second, split memory is causing more problems. What are the benefits exactly DJ? Explain to us all. You're twisting stuff again dude.

Stay with the facts. Lesson with the original XBOX? That console that kicked the PS2 in graphics so hard? That one? What lesson should MS have learned from that, otherwise then that they're on the right way?

Oh wait, maybe you mean the OS of the PS3 is eating up 100 MB, 20% of it's total Ram. It's eating up almost half of it's Ram dedicated for CPU. The 360 on the other hand uses 30 MB or so max. That makes it 17% more Ram available on the 360 for games

Still surprised the 360 gets the better games???

@ DJ's comment below, this is getting to funny now

OMG

"I get my info straight from developers, not rumors or 'leaked' articles. The benefits of having split memory architecture is that the CPU and GPU don't fight over both RAM and bandwidth. "

Allright, now you are out of facts you try the 'powercomment'.
You get your info straight from developers, not rumors or 'leaked' articles. Nice man.

Name me the companies/dev's you're in contact with. Don't say: "I may not because they don't want to be mentioned". I won't buy that sh!t. I don't ask for peoples names, I don't ask phone numbers, just company names. And tell me what your relation is with them.

THe articles posted are straight from dev's, hardware specialists or respected people that earned their position in games (John Carmack for example), and you should know better? Please. I have to laugh out hard now, or maybe I should cry.

The memory by the OS used is right and you know it. PS3's OS uses 96 mb of memory (32 video, 64 main). Pretty high when the 360 OS only uses 32 MBs and 3% of it's 2 cores. Stop the Cell SPU bull please.

http://dpad.gotfrag.com/por...

"Everything comes at a cost and here are the costs for the 360.

32MB of the 512mb of available GDDR3 RAM
3% CPU time on Core1 and Core2 (nothing is reserved on Core0)
Microsoft still has room left from what they’ve already reserved for future updates.

Transitioning to the PS3’s Operating system here is what the resource allocation looks like.

Sony of course has decided to match Microsoft by using a constantly running in the background Operating system and here is what it includes. Again I will not be going into what it offers as most already know by now.

The costs for the PS3’s operating system are as follows

32mb of the 256mb of available GDDR3 memory off the RSX chip
64mb of the 256mb of available XDR memory off the Cell CPU
1 SPE of 7 constantly reserved
1 SPE of 7 able to be "taken" by the OS at a moments notice (games have to give it up if requested)"

DJ just got pwned by a person that does know and DJ doesn't clearly.

[THAMMER1]

Come on MAN!! You are not for real.

See other PS3 fans should learn from this. Just because you make a counter 360 statement dose not mean you are making a good supportive PS3 statement.

*READ DJ's posts in this thread. If you believe them or plan to use it for you own pro PS3 arguments do your own research because DJ is not a creditable source. Use Ibm.com for the Cell and Nvidia.com for the RSX. And ask a PC gamer or call Alienware to see if a split RAM over a unified RAM is the way to go.

Many members of news for games have tried to post and spread the truth. If you do not believe us go to another source for more info. Because it is now proven tat the PS3 is poorly designed.

Now for true PS3 fan that want it for the games MGS4 is coming and it will be rock solid and no will Final Fantasy for those of you who like to play that stuff. And just say the right things about your PS3 like wow I like it for the games. Because the hardware is not better than the 360's it is close but do not expect it to be magical. GOOD times baby

[techie]

It's different architecture. We'll see the benefits in time - they still don't really understand cell - for a lot of its stuff it doesn't need much memory or even the rsx. It's all brand new 'alien' tech.

And I ran out of bubbles on the motorstorm page. Motorstorm does have just as good graphics as Gears...and yes I have played gears...its ace. And my impressions of Motorstorm are from hd movies of it playing. NOW the graphical quality is the same BUT the art directions are completely different, so it's hard to compare - the artistic design on gears is immense - motorstorm is different, faster, and lots of vehicles in action - and the graphics and physics look incredible. You can argue about artistic design...go ahead...

[UrbanJabroni]

Then come to this conclusion:

:The fact that they're getting more out of a split-memory architecture than a unified architecture shows the benefits of Sony's design decisions."

Mind...boggling.

[DJ]

I get my info straight from developers, not rumors or 'leaked' articles. The benefits of having split memory architecture is that the CPU and GPU don't fight over both RAM and bandwidth. This gives PS3 something like twice the memory bandwidth of the 360, and since RSX has XDR texture logic built in there's no issue with splitting the memory pools. Devs only found this out when they received the final kits in May~July 2006 since only the final kits had the RSX. Earlier kits ran on 7800GTX's, which apparently had 1/15th the amount of CPU <-> GPU bandwidth, was only 430 Mhz, half the vertex cache, weak HDR, etc. Beta kits sucked compared to the final product, which is why we're getting such a huge leap with upcoming titles.

BTW Mart, you gotta stop posting those fake OS requirements. The actual system requirement for the PS3's OS is 5% of an SPE's execution time. Devs actually have access to all 7 SPES (6.95 SPEs if you want to get technical). Ram requirements are also relatively low.

I don't know why Unified RAM is somehow seen as the way to go since GDDR3 is catered towards the high-latency requirements of GPUs; CPUs have low-latency requirements. PCs have split-memory architecture since those GPUs you shove in there have their own dedicated RAM modules. And it's not CPU RAM. It's GDDR RAM (i.e. V-RAM). Microsoft's Xbox division seems absolutely obsessed over the term 'unified' when really there aren't many benefits to doing it that way. Even nVidia complained about how their GPU was bogged down in the original Xbox due to the unified layout (it ran entirely on SDRAM, which is meant for CPUs. No wonder they prefer the PS3's layout). The solution? Microsoft decided to solely use GPU RAM for the 360. Not the best solution since the CPU's being starved bandwidth-wise this time around, but I guess it's something.

[Xi]

there's a reason we use unified architecture in home computers, and there's a reason why we don't use split memory, As a computer science undergrad, I've tried coding from multi threads, not fun, and it's even less fun to try and use split memory. The reason we don't use it is because it's not USEFUL! it doesn't add anything to the system. The rsx is inferior to the r500, and it's dx10 capabilities (yes ati got dx10 running on the xbox gpu, it's why a game like crysis can get work on the 360). Oh and about the final sdk's being weaker? why did they have to roll back clock times on the rsx then? The RSX was to fast for the cells. DJ, stop reading sony rhetoric and look at some 3rd party sites. Though the cell is strong it needs 7 to do the same as the 3 in the xbox 360, and lack of unified pipelines in the ps3, choke the system quite a bit. There's a reson why developers enjoy working with the 360 more.

[Arkham]

"'Huh DJ do you even read stuff???

" As it turns out, it's due to a memory limitation with the Playstation 3 itself.

Bethesda simply could not find a way to load every piece of downloadable content without affecting the performance of the game. Considering that the Xbox 360 can pull off this feat without a hitch, it looks like the $1 billion dollar gamble has paid off again for Microsoft."'
----

Do *you* even read the stuff? You're quoting *Joystiq's* slant on it, not Bethesda's statement. Their last official word on not including that content was based on factors relating to game-balance.

Man, some people have problems with basic media reading comprehension.

You'll grasp at any half-truth to promote your little biases, won't you?

[UrbanJabroni]

Did anyone actually read the article?

"As for the PS3 version of Oblivion trumping the 360 in the visuals department, it just so happens that the new shader techniques applied to the PS3 will also be worked into the 360 version of the game."

Can we please stop the fanboy garbage? PLEASE? PLEASE?

For those that think the _other_ interview means better graphics:

"However, certain optimizations that take advantage of the system's hardware will remain exclusive to the PS3 version of the game"."

_optimizations_. Optimizations improve performance, not graphical fidelity. Given that the PS3 version originally performed poorly, OF COURSE there are going to be PS3 optimizations. Again, optimizations, not improvements, and the new shader model is going to be on the 360 as well.

How anyone can spin this to be a negative for the 360 is beyond the most basic principles of logic.

[Adriokor]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

[UrbanJabroni]

"enhanced graphical presentation thanks to new pixel shaders that displayed sharper details"

These are coming to the 360, as stated in both articles.

The PS3 will keep its proprietary OPTIMIZATIONS. Not graphical improvements. Optimizations for the hardware to make the _same_ graphics run well on the PS3.

I'm really not trying to be Pro-360on this. I'm just trying to point out that the games will look the SAME on both systems. Why must everything negative for one console need to be responded with "yah...well your console has this wrong with it." It is a basic deflection technique favored by politicians...and it is surprising to see intelligent human beings use it on a message board.

[PureGamer]

you are just to sad to actually hit the daylight and roam around in the society. You are actually arguing over graphics and a gaming console ok, but why do you always come on here and bash the PS3 is it because you cant afford it? Sour Grapes? and dont counter back with its $600 or its £425 actually answer why you make it your destiny to bash this console cmon you cowards why?

To the below
What i dont give a shyte about graphics its gameplay for me. I was asking why do all these peeps come on here and actually act as if this will change there lives its sad, you are basically saying that if we dont iron out the negetives of the PS3 on a gaming news site forum sony will read this and correct them i dont think that will happen hmmm also why doesnt no one actually talk about the negetives of the 360 or the Wii then?

[UrbanJabroni]

Your assumptions are incorrect. I, like many others, have a PS3 and support it. I am very pro BluRay. I am not, however, a blind fanboy who refuses to see that the system has a lot of problems. If we continue to give Sony a free-pass by ignoring the negatives, they will never get fixed.

People on this forum like to twist facts to bash another console, and I, like many others again, feel the need to try and correct the mistakes people are trying to attribute as facts. The article is a fact, and that sucks. Improved PS3 visuals that aren't on the 360, however, is a false statement. All we are looking for is the truth.

Bethesda clearly wants all fans of their games, regardless of their system, to have the same quality and is going to patch the game across all systems to look equally good. How is this a bad thing in any way?

[Yo Wassap]

It's nice to see that somebody is using their bubbles to smooth things out, no wonder you have 7. Well deserved

[NextGen24Gamer]

Previews are meant to hype games up. Every single Ps3 preview made it seem like the ps3 version would be better than the 360 version. Then every single time when the game would be released....the 360 version looked much better and performed better than the ps3 version. There is a pattern here with ps3 previews. Whether it be from IGN or another source. Every preview of every ps3 game to date has claimed that the game takes special advantage of the Cell's special capabilitites. ha ha ha ha ha ha....Well, duh......There is no way around that. The Cell is the heart of the ps3. So game code has to run off of that thing. ha ha ha ha ha ... The problem is the Cell is not optimal for game code. Thats why the ps3 games don't run nor look as good as the 360 games. It has absolutely nothing to do with time of developement or taking advantage of the ps3's special cell....Sony fans will be using that excuse for years to come. "Wait till they learn to take advantage of the Cell"...ha ha ha ha ha.... When will yall get it? The ps3 is a superb blu ray player if thats what you want....but its not a very good gaming console. I should know. I own it and I have every game out right now. The 360 totally outperforms the ps3. Its a matter of choice. Do you want the best graphics and gameplay this next gen? Get the 360...do you want blu ray movie playback? Get the ps3. Its as simple as that. And fanboys....stop using previews as some sort of news....how many times has the previews been totally off with ps3 games. Every single time to be exact. Pull up a preview of every ps3 launch game and you will hear the same mumbo jumbo....its hilarious....I will bet anyone.....that once again....the 360 version of Oblivion will clearly outperform the ps3 version. I will play another 100 hrs when they release the download for better textures and graphics. It will make an already fantastic game....Even better. WOW...

[techie]

FightNight3 was said by many sights to be notably better than the 360 version. - whether that's more time for the developers to fiddle, or something to do with the architecture is something else. Wouldn't want to speculate. Wouldn't want to speculate on any of this really.

[THAMMER1]

You wouldn't want to speculate. Then how do you explain your logic about the PS3 period? That is all speculation...RIGHT!! HA O.K. your turning into a tool. COME ON mAN!!

[THAMMER1]

I'm saying the games suck in any way. You should not read a post and automatically be on the defense. Dude you avoided me and every thing. Come on if you want to avoid me do that or get your mind right. The PS3 is still fun no matter how Sony put it together. But I'm an adult DOG and it is not running the ring around the 360 like Sony said it would is it. *NO! So we should not have a problem with the truth. O.K.

And Alienware is a games PC company they do not offer split RAM because it is not optimal for games.

[techie]

What? I'm avoiding you? Turning into a tool? Why are you being so offensive? Am I anywhere a sony fanboy? My comments have been pro xbox and pro ps3. I replyed to you about motorstorm on here, because id run out of bubbles on the other page.

I said, even though fightnight looks better on the ps3 that its no sign the architecture is better, but probably just more time optimising the game.

I never said ps3 was running rings around the xbox. I'm just trying to stop people like you being so down right offensive and shouting in their faces for no reason.

If you feel my posts have been irrelevant or fanboyish then your wrong, have a look at yourself you 'tool'.

[scriptkiddie]

but at least the ps3 has blu-ray. if you want to play games get a 360, if you want a blu-ray player get a ps3. or you can wait and get a blu-ray player when they are $100.

maybe this is the 4d sony was talking about

sony knows the fanboys don't care because they have brand loyalty.

[sovietsoldier]

i have a 360, enough said!

[SEAN1617]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

here is the whole thing sorry but this article is a lie. SORRY 360fanboys it's got nothing to do with the ps3 itself.
"Oblivion Rumors Explained
We get down to the bottom of the recent Oblivion rumors.
by Jeff Haynes
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February 8, 2007 - When we posted our preview of The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, we talked about the various improvements that had been made to the PS3 version, such as the optimized load times and enhanced graphical presentation thanks to new pixel shaders that displayed sharper details. We also pointed out that while the Knights of the Nine side quest would be included, other downloadable content would not initially be included in the game. Needless to say, this information spawned a host of rumors on the boards and across the Internet. To separate the fact from the fiction about Oblivion on the PS3, we went directly to Pete Hines, the VP of Public Relations and Marketing at Bethesda Softworks for the true details behind the game.

Rumors were rampant about the reasons behind the lack of downloadable content. Other websites have reported that the justification behind the missing missions and features was due to technical limitations of the console. According to Hines, nothing could be farther from the truth. There were two specific reasons behind why items like the Orrery and Mehrunes's Razor will not be included within the PS3 version of the game. First of all, there was a concern about the balancing of the game and initially giving players access to a thieves den or a wizard's tower immediately at the start of the game. "There was no good way to incorporate these features into the game as soon as it started because it didn't make sense," Hines said. While he didn't rule out the possibility of some of these side quests or features making it into the game, it wouldn't necessarily be as soon as the game hit store shelves.

In fact, the other reason why the downloadable content for the PS3 version of the game isn't included isn't solely because of the technical limitations of the system. Instead, it's because the designers haven't actually tested the PlayStation Network Store and the mechanisms for delivering content to systems. Considering that the development team has been spending a large amount of time making sure that the game transitions over to the PS3 well without the numerous bugs or glitches that plagued the PC and 360 versions of the game, working on the store was definitely a low priority on their list when it came to dedicating additional resources to that feature. But it is being worked on, and it will be coming at a later date.

So what about the shaders or optimizations? Rumors were released stating that everything in the PS3 version of the game would migrate over to the 360 or the PC, which kicked off a screaming match on boards about which version was ultimately better. According to Hines, the shader functionality that would re-render the low-res textures would inevitably make its way to the 360 build and PC in future updates. However, certain optimizations that take advantage of the system's hardware will remain exclusive to the PS3 version of the game."

[highps3]

Man whatever this is retarded.

[highps3]

Man whatever this is retarded.

[ACE]

its been proven that fight night looks better on the 360 lol .

as for DJ ..... same old brain washed sony fanetic ,,, ur making a fool of ur self DJ , give it a rest will yaa :) .

yes this is like a rerun of oh it looks better on the ps3 BUT when the games r out and reviewd etc its not the case is it?.. as it has been proven the 360 versions look better and run better .

oblivian is an amazing game whether u play it on a 360 or ps3 , i've clocked on 300 hours :O

[techie]

Young sir I never said FightNight3 has been proven to look better on the ps3. My sources are the same as your 'proven to look better on the 360' sources - reviews from sites that say good things and bad things about both systems. Even gamespot says that the ps3 version has the edge and they are xbox360 fanboys.

Anyway I said it HAS BEEN SAID -not that it has been proven. I for one don't think it says anything about the capabilities of either system because I'm not a retarded fanboy, but that when people say 'games all look better on the 360' the difference is nominal in most cases, and in some cases it really isn't true.

[funkybudda]

way to mention a port title, which is by one of the notorious lazy companies such as EA/UBI/KOEI etc.

Compare first party exclusive games, like if you say gears of war looks better than resistance, I will give you that.

Your retarded to try to justify your hard-on for MS with these port games by companies who care less about gamers but just want to rush crap outta door and make money.

[eques judicii]

If they fix the graphics on the 360 version i'll probably play it again!!!! now I'm stoked for the next patch!

[highps3]

Will PS3 graphics be better?

Another issue that he addressed was the one that concerned shaders and optimizations for the PS3 version of the game, and the question of whether the PS3 version of the game will be graphically superior when compared to the Xbox 360 and PC versions.

Hines clarifies that the shader functionality which was designed to re-render low-res textures will also be making its way to the 360 and PC versions via updates - sooner or later.

However, certain optimizations which make use of the PS3's Cell Processor will have to remain exclusive to the PS3.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

Honestly I dont know if fight night round 3 looks better on ps3 but if it did obviously its because it came out 9 months later.

Now in reference to oblivion, after reading all these articles and comments on oblivion this is how I sum it up.

1. The game on ps3 will load 4 secs faster on ps3. Wow. It is such a better game now. Sony fanboys need to calm down. The game is coming out a year later after the 360, why is it a surprise that the game is loading a little faster? And is 4 secs that big of a deal. Are you sony fanboys that desperate for positive ps3 news?

2. Downloadable content wont be available for ps3. I think it can either be that the playstation store hasnt been tested yet or that ps3s memory is insufficient to run the game. It could go either way or it could be both reasons. I got to say though, I'm really anticipating shivering isles. Too bad sony fanboys probably wont get to play it.

3. The bugs and glitches in the 360 version and the draw distance problems will be fixed for ps3 version from day 1. Obviously once again this is due to the game coming out 1 year later. Plus all those updates are coming to the 360.

Can someone please explain to me where all this bluray prevails and ps3 is more powerful garbage is coming from?

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

Easy, its DJ!

[TheMART]

Right on Jay

That's all we hear from Sony fanboys

- We have BluRay (not needed at all, it all just fits nice on a DL-DVD, see Oblivion)
- We don't have an external powersupply (mine you don't see it's behind the TV, plus when it would break down more easy to replace, PS3's have to be send back if that happens)
- We have free online network (although it's nothing compared to XBL)
- We have motion control (but no rumble which is a bigger miss)

All about other things then the games. Because they are best on the 360, every time again. As is online on the 360 winning also, extended features in Virtua Tennis 3 and Tony Hawk were PS3 has NONE

It's a failure. Plain simple. A retarded system with one game up to date thats good, not great, just good.

Hey Jay I entered your Gametag in my friendlist, together with Top Gamers/Real Deal one and had Land of Sand also for some time. Thammer1 is added, I bet soon we can do a N4G clan for Gears, Rainbow Six, PGR3, COD3, UNO, FNR3, whatever we like! But you weren't online tonight probably. Too bad, soon we'll kick ass I bet

[Bhai]

MS fanboys have always kept touting about how difficult the PS3 is to program for and just as only 3 months later a dev confirms it, they say "oh it wasn't that difficult, it just can't do it !!" HaHaHa, the entire world of Oblivion takes 16 X 16 miles area. Average environments in Lair are each 32 X 32 and most of the places are tangible with ar$e-bursting level of gameplay, number of on-screen individuals, physics and out of this world procedural synthesis. When that game doesn't hitch, how can Oblivion.

Hah ! Bethesda couldn't port a game that runs at two threads on a PC better on the easy-to-dev 360, how do you think they would be able to pull it off on the next-generation of hardware that is PS3 ?

Even then, PS3 version looks way better and loads better and they said that they never even used the HDD. Still devs have yet to understand fully the usage of the compact memory. PS2's god of war and god of war 2 are living proof of that. PS2 had no HDD, half as much RAM as xbox and only 4mb video memory, rather than xbox's full fledged GPU and look at GT4 or Colossus for referances and compare them to say Ninja Gaiden that couldn't even bring animated sky over all and was built onto the same old loading methods. PS2 made that happen with minimal hardware, and this time, its PS3 that has everything intact, just devs need to catch up.

[RedSoakedSponge]

i think uv summed it up for me mate. if 360 released Oblivion at the same time as the ps3 then i bet they would be too similar to tell apart. now everyone shut up and get back to humping ur ps3 lol.

[spacetoilet]

Why all the 360 owners have to add negative comments to ALL the ps3 articles? PLEASE? I need to know. I mean I understand people surfing the web and stuff but I don't have a wii, or a 360 (made my mistakes last time and got the bug-box) so I don't really care about articles on other consoles. PLEASE! WHY ARE THE 360 kiddies so upset? I mean. who cares?

[blackmagic]

Probably the same reason all the ps3 owners add negative comments to the 360 articles. Unfortunately, pure fanboyism comes with the territory regardless of the system. The nintendo guys don't mix it up with the 360/ps3 crowd too much however... There's something to be said there, if I wasn't such a graphics whore I'd probably consider a nintendo system.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

1. I am a 360 owner and I dont add negative comments to all ps3 articles I just speak the truth.

2. When people be on that bullsh!t I get upset and guess what? Sony fanboys stink.

3. I dont care much for oblivon being on ps3. What I just dont understand is why aree all these ps3 owners having orgasms on their ps3s and trying to say the ps3 is the better console just because they are getting a year old game with a few enhancements which are by the way coming to the 360? Thats all I'm saying

[spacetoilet]

This is an excellent game. I don't care if 360 had it a year. I have it on my pc, but I'm looking forward to playing in the lounge on the tv.
And, why are you just saying? I mean negative comment or not. I don't understand why you guys would read about ps3? I mean, I don't give a $hit about the 360. Like I said in other posts elsewhere. The big two consoles are very similar in power. I believe the ps3 is more powerful but I'm no hardware guy, I just think it will grow and grow. Now I don't have a 360, I know people that do, and good for them. But I like the quality that goes into Japanese engineering and I've seen the 'quality' of US consoles.
(I had 2 xboxs die on me, and my brother in law has replaced his 360 once already.) And I like Japanese games, fighters rpg's etc....
As for FPS, well who doesn't like those....but I use my Pc, as all console FPS games have felt like $hit (imo) so far. Anyway, as a ps3 owner I'll continue to read this sites articles to get info and news, and will also continue NOT to read about 360 or wii articles as I don't have one and don't want one.

[FeralPhoenix]

This is becoming very redundant.....I'm sure Oblivion will look great on the PS3, but I tried to tell Sonyfanboys to put it into perspective that it SHOULD look a little sharper and run a little better on the PS3 since its the SAME game only a YEAR LATER, and again I emphasize the word "should"....but of course they (only the ones in denial) tried to turn it into a case of because 360 CAN'T do this or that. It's clear DJ likes attention, no matter what kind it is....apparently he thinks he's a comedian.

IGN Quote:
"In fact, the other reason why the downloadable content for the PS3 version of the game isn't included isn't solely because of the technical limitations of the system."
[[at the very least that says that downloadable content was affected in some way because of "technical limitations" of the system....hmmm I wonder what?]]

DJ Qoute:
"The fact that they're getting more out of a split-memory architecture than a unified architecture shows the benefits of Sony's design decisions."
[[uhm really?, and for some reason the article seems to indicate that the limitations came from the PS3's "design descisions"]]

DJ Qoute:
"I get my info straight from developers, not rumors or 'leaked' articles."
[[oh I see, thats why you want us to take YOUR WORD for it, because you don't read info. from various sources like the rest of us "normal folks", you actually have inside developer sources who feed YOU secret info. that's not available to the public...you are so lucky DJ, (whisper) -psss hey DJ, can you have one of those dev's that DON'T work for Sony or write on "ps3 forums" provide a link that says you can get more out of split ram than unified ram?...hell at this point I will settle for a bias link just so I can read it, thanks in advance DJ]]

I know, I know DJ, I'm guilty of giving you exactly what you want....MORE ATTENTION, but remember this DJ, just because people are laughing, doesn't mean they are laughing WITH you.

[DJ]

Anyone can see what they're talking about. Just go to Beyond3D. I know you don't believe me on the whole 'Devs have 1 PPE and 7 SPEs to work with', even though that's what was announced to the public and is what developers attest to.

So the claim by the leaked document is that the OS is 96MB. Currently, version 1.51 of the PS3 OS is 99MB. Little do you know (unless you've seen an open PS3) that the console has 128MB of flash memory solely dedicated to the OS. It's a powerful operating that does a HUGE amount of tasks: PS1 emulation, PS2 emulation, PS3 games, XMB, Blu-ray Movie playback, DVD movie playback, CDs, MP3 playback. MP4 playback, Bluetooth, HDMI/AV controls, Internet Browsing, photo functions, etc.

The original document was leaked in early March, around the time of GDC. This was months before anyone had even seen final PS3 hardware, and reports came out that certain aspects of the PS3 were being upgraded and rising production costs -> Those upgrades were HDMI 1.3 (from ver 1.0), the inclusion of both PS1 and PS2 hardware onto the motherboard, and the addition of flash memory for the OS.

The SPEs are enormously powerful, and were built to handle Operating Systems with ease. 5% of one SPE's execution time is all that the PS3's OS requires. SPEs run at 3Ghz, so that's actually enough time to run an efficient OS. The OS in the 360 uses about 3% of the system's execution time, so you have a real-world comparison to look at.

[blackmagic]

Of course the ps3 has flash for the OS. So does the 360, xbox, ps2, ps1, psp, wii, gamecube, n64, snes, nes, ds, gameboy, dreamcast, saturn, sega mastersystem, 3do, ngage, etc, etc... if they didn't, then the os would simply disappear when the system turned off. Also, it doesn't matter how much power is required, it's more about how much is dedicated. 96MB of RAM and 1 spe is reserved exclusively for the OS. Games may never use these resources. EVER.

[The great 1]

First of all Downloadable comments is for losers, downloadable content usualy consits of crap only nerds like, secondly is this news really real, how do we no tommorow an article wont be released saying the opposite, just like somebody posted an article saying Vice city stories wouldn't be comming to PS2 and then the next day there's an article up saying it would be; and it was an official statement.

[Aflac]

he doesnt understand half of the randomness he continually pulls out of his arse amd claims to be "facts from developers".

[vettle1]

the great one says DC is for losers only because his PSN sucks and cant handle it, if it could hed be gloating the other way. DC rocks and sorry your 600 system cant handle little things like that

[FirstknighT]

"As it turns out, it's due to a memory limitation with the Playstation 3 itself"

"Bethesda simply could not find a way to load every piece of downloadable content without affecting the performance of the game. Considering that the Xbox 360 can pull off this feat without a hitch"

"As for the PS3 version of Oblivion trumping the 360 in the visuals department, it just so happens that the new shader techniques applied to the PS3 will also be worked into the 360 version of the game"

These 3 quotes say it all. This is arguably the best rpg of all time. The 360 had this game over a year ago, and it looks like the 360 had the better version.....AGAIN!

Time and time again...article after article after article...the 360 beats the ps3 in every way! Another game that is better on the 360.

Their are alot of sony fans here that constantly give essays about how the ps3 is more powerfull. Too bad the games dont show it.

[NextGen24Gamer]

And I have come to the same conclusion that they did on national TV at the apollo....The 360 version easily looks and plays better than the ps3 version. Especially on a 1080p tv....On my TV the ps3 via hdmi for fight night is 720p but the 360 version is 1080p upscaled...it looks notibly better. I'm sorry if that bothers some sony only fans but its the truth. And on average the 360 version rated higher than the ps3 version to boot. Just like with Prey and Oblivion. Many head to heads with the PC version claimed that the 360 version was a on par or a tad better than the mid level pc....but in some aspects better than a high end pc....HDR and AA simultaniously was one bonus....but I know for a fact that the comparissons were not done on a 1080p tv because only recently have true 1080p tv's been on the market. And on my 1080p tv....the 360 version looks better in both cases than my 3000 dollar custom built pc. The only advantage my computer has is the higher resolutions by default. But for the most part in 1080p Prey and oblvion look better on the 360. So my point is...if you have the money to get the best set up for your ps3 or 360....the 360 clearly outperforms the ps3. I didn't think upscaled 1080p would make such a difference on 1080i or 720p games. But it does. And the 1080p native games are just unreal folks. WOW

[FeralPhoenix]

Hold on I'm still laughing. [stop laughing] Please just give me a link that confirms just HALF of what you say. No offence I just want to read it from the developer. Thanks in advance. [laughing again]

[Genki]

Now, I've always thought of you as one of the more intelligent and respectable folk around here, but lately, your DJ bashing has been somewhat juvenile. There's a multitude of people, 360 and PS fans alike that say things that are way more outlandish and foolhardy than what DJ says, but yet and still, your sincerest efforts of degradation are focused on him.

Hardly ever do you say anything to disprove what he says, but more along the lines of "prove it, you liar", "give me a link", among a slew of jabs and insults. What are you really trying to say? Instead of asking for links and the five W's, why don't you provide a link as to why he's wrong? That would be a much more effective course of action if you ask me, it would actually prove a point OTHER THAN the common "DJ is full of BS". Anyone can call someone a liar, or ask for proof, but it actually takes some effort to disprove something.

Now, don't read into this as "oh, so I guess we should just believe everything he says", because that's not at all what I'm trying to get at. It's pretty clear when someone is spouting BS, and it's easily brushed off. Some folk are more clever than others with their BS, in which case you may have to do a little research to find out why it's untrue, but simply crying liar on every statement is little more than a cop out.

Also, just to address all of this hyperlink business that everyone swears is the holy grail of information...you would do well to realize that the internet is the #1 medium for people to perpetuate their beliefs, so a single link doesn't necessarily mean you should stop the presses. You should probably be as critical of websites as you are of DJ, because many of them, no matter who they are run by, or how professional they may claim to be, are simply full of crap. Again, you'll need to use your own judgement to decipher exactly what is and isn't true.

What's the moral of the story? If you're going to debate, then do just that, don't resort to petty insults, it gets you nowhere, proves nothing, and certainly doesn't contribute to ANY discussion. Just think about it, how many times has he insulted you? The golden rule, my friend.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, as I'm not trying to insult you at all. You're one of the people on this site that I have respect for, and like I said, no disrespect was intended.

[Antan]

"HDR and AA simultaniously was one bonus"

Well this wasn`t a bonus as such, as the X1800 range and above had the "chuck patch" released shortly after the game launched, and which has now been a permanent fixture in the ATI drivers since i think the 6.10`s, and hardly a dent in framerate also (gotta love FRAPS). ATI had the only cards able to do both of course, though now Nvidias new range also has the ability to do both.

[ps3high]

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE DEVELOPER SAID: YOU CAN KEEP POSTING JOYSTIQ GARBAGE BUT THIS IS WHAT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER OF THIS GAME SAID JUST TWO DAYS AGO...

Will PS3 graphics be better?

Another issue that he addressed was the one that concerned shaders and optimizations for the PS3 version of the game, and the question of whether the PS3 version of the game will be graphically superior when compared to the Xbox 360 and PC versions.

Hines clarifies that the shader functionality which was designed to re-render low-res textures will also be making its way to the 360 and PC versions via updates - sooner or later.

However, certain optimizations which make use of the PS3's Cell Processor will have to remain exclusive to the PS3.

[UrbanJabroni]

"
However, certain optimizations which make use of the PS3's Cell Processor will have to remain exclusive to the PS3."

OPTIMIZATIONS. NOT IMPROVEMENTS.

[gnothe1]

Nvidias new cards can do HDR an AA( i think) just not the one in the PS3!!

[Antan]

Yeah all of the 8800 range including the "lesser" gts range support now.

"just not the one in the PS3!!"

I`d love to tell you things about the RSX but i`d get shot!!!

[BURLY]

This is because the PS3 was only designed to utilize 256mb (of its 512mb total memory) for this purpose - due to its segmented memory structure.

As a techie, I always laugh at Sony fan boys who seem to think that just because a Blu-Ray disk can hold more data than a DVD-9, that PS3 games will have more detailed textures.

I laugh for a number of reasons (that would each take a long time to explain) but the one that is most pertinent to this news story is the fact that the 360 has 512mb of available memory for textures, with its unified memory architecture and the PS3 only has 256!

I think that a member of the Gears of War team summed-up the challenge that PS3 programmers will have with the PS3's memory architecture the best:

"256 MB of RAM makes a huge difference. There is no way we could ever do Gears of War on 256, we had trouble fitting everything on 512MB. We pushed the 360 to the limits."

To further put things into perspective, lets do a simple comparison between Oblivion on the 360 and Oblivion running on a high-end PC. You see as a techie, I know that the 360's GPU was light-years ahead of any GPU that was on the market for PC's (when Oblivion first launched) and for that matter the 360's version always had better lighting and anti-aliasing. Don't believe me? Well then just check out Gamespot's comparison analysis.

However despite this fact, I can specifically remember reading comments from pundits (namely Sony and PC fanboys) who kept saying that the 360 wasn't very powerful because high-end PC's could display the game with more detail, crisper textures, and increased draw distance.

Now I never questioned the validity of their observations but I always knew that their inference was false - from the standpoint that this was only a function of total available texture memory and nothing else!

At any rate, I trust that many of these same pundits and ignorant fan boys are now learning a very valuable lesson of just how important the memory structure and total allotment is to graphics. In fact, the 360 now has 512mb of texture memory (instead of the originally planned 256) because Epic showed Microsoft what Gears of War would look like in both scenario's. Obviously the rest is history but it goes without saying that Epic's comparison validated the further billion dollar + investment that Microsoft had to fork out, in order to increase it to 512.

Now I know exactly what steps Sony took to try and minimize this deficiency and I know that there will be some fan boys that come out with cut and paste excuses and ignorant attempts to make it look like they know that the developer is " just being lazy" or is "not taking the time to exploit the PS3's true power" (LOL), ...but the truth is folks that PS3 fans should start getting used to washed-out textures and scenarios like the one being observed with Oblivion.

PS: I would have gotten into more detail about how it isn’t quite as simple as a 512mb > 256mb argument (when comparing the two consoles) but I have a hockey game to watch and then some Rainbow 6 Vegas to play – which by the way is by far the best FPS on any console right now! Hmm, I wonder if the PS3 version is delayed because it is an inferior machine – oh right I know for a fact that that this is the reason!

[Aflac]

gears of war is just one out of many games that the 360 is getting that the ps3 could never handle unless the ps3 versions were to be downgraded.

[Antan]

Of course a high end machine today wipes the floor with all consoles, so this article is pretty much defunct now, besides this thread got waaaayyyyy out of hand long ago, lets just all move on shall we, nothing more to see here..................

[ElementX]

You give a quote from an article on IGN which talks about Mr. Hines' responses to rumors regarding the PS3 version of Oblivion. I find it rather amusing that the third paragraph starts out...

"In fact, the other reason why the downloadable content for the PS3 version of the game isn't included isn't solely because of the technical limitations of the system."

I think the key word here is SOLELY. "Isn't SOLELY because of technical limitations." This leads me to believe that there in fact, ARE technical limitations to the PS3, however they are just "part" of the issue, the Playstation Network being another....

[Aflac]

its just another typical forum site, formatted the same way as nexgenwars, nerfhaven, cybernations fanforum sites, etc.-places where any1 could go in and claim themselves to be watever they want, like game developers or instance!!! this means n00bs can sign on and say theyre actually game developers!!! this is RICH DJ!!! Brilliant work, buddy, I knew sooner or later ud reveal the location of some of the n00bs u rely on are wenever u run out of random thoughts to throw at us and call "facts"!!!!

www.dj.justgotowned.com

[Genki]

Denial is the easiest way to solve your problems I suppose.

Beyond 3D is not so widely known as a forum that some developers visit from time to time. Not everyone there is a dev, obviously, but many of the individuals on that forum are quite knowledgeable on computer architecture. Read some of the stickies and other threads and see for yourself. Maybe you'll cry liar, liar, about that too, because, it's just preposterous for people on a forum to know what they're talking about, right? It only makes sense, who would you expect to regularly post on a computer themed forum? I suppose you would also try to tell me that the people that visit AV forums are all fishing enthusiasts, right?

I can't prove to you what I said, nor will I attempt to, because I simply can't, but believe what you will though, that's your prerogative and your problem, nobody else's.

[Syko]

And my F'ing battery pack lit on fire! This is truly a Sony fan site. To say the least! I now need to check for spyware on my computer and make sure my GPU specs arent magical non-existant!

[Geohound]

I remember when the PLAYSTATION 3 Fanboys would Tell the XBOX 360 Fanboys that they were getting their scraps(games). Ironic....

Anyway... Oblivion PS3 vs. Oblivion XBOX 360.... Both good games... if it's 3-5 seconds or 7-10. Or 256 mb or 512 mb. But were the upgrades to PS3 version worth $600/500 dollars. I would say no.

"I get my info straight from developers, not rumors"- DJ

lmao. I'm going to start posting that after every comment DJ makes.

I wish I could find one that's like that for TheMart.

[FirstknighT]

How many more reasons do you need to know that the ps3 is inferior to the xbox 360? The ps3 is suffering from low sales while the 360 is still selling well. The 360 game list is growing by the month with quality games. Games are selling like crazy on the 360. Gears of War nears 4 million, Lost Planet hit 2 million, and soon to be released Crackdown will sell a fast 1 million. 2007 has a HUGE list of AAA titles coming out for the 360.

Burly said it best..."You will never see a PS3 game with more than 256mb of texture memory displayed at a time!" In other words, gems like Gears of War CANNOT run on a ps3.

The ps3 will get better and will eventually have some great games as well, but the 360 is the better game console overall. Better graphics, better exclusives, better online, all for almost half the cost of a ps3. Time to jump in kids.

[Geohound]

DJ get's his info straight from developers, not rumors. He sits down with them over Tea and Oreo cookies. They discuss why the PS3 is the best, and how amazing DJ's tracks are on his webiste...errr Myspace Music Page.

He get's down with the Devs and the social networking, betch!

[Syko]

Come on dude that is flat out disrepectful ! I am crying like a fat housewife watching Oprah ! That $hit was to funny.

[FeralPhoenix]

It's been awhile. OK first I will respect your comments, I'm trying to see it from your point of view, but honestly I think you are taking my comments to DJ, waaaaay to seriously.....like I've always said its only videogames we're talking about, maybe I'm a little hard on DJ than others but its just because he is "full of it" MORE so than others -IMO. Either way its not like Iam cursing and screaming and insulting his charachter....-NO read my posts, I always reply to him with some kind of logic...I just "TRY" to be funny....seems I have failed miserably in my attempts to "lighten things up". -For example: In DJ's # 9.1 DJ basicly claims that the PS3's split ram(GPU) is better than 360's GPU. Read his post. -a claim he commonly makes on many posts, despite everything from most un-bias sources and even bias sources like PSM, telling us other wise. His reply to my posts says alot all by itself, but anyway on topic -I replied by laughing, but also Iam really curious to see where exactly he read the claims he made -seriously. Still to this day DJ, hasn't ever shown a link for his claim that M$ doesn't allow dev's to make games on multiple disks, I wonder why? -He made the accusation, but your logic is that I should somehow find info. that disputes something DJ made up??? The only time I ever remember calling him a liar was about that statement, but its not something I go around saying on every post, and I stand behind that statement about THAT SPECIFIC COMMENT. Come on, and now YOU say somehow I'm just picking on "poor DJ". -yeah thats sarcasm, but thats me, I "try" to see the funny side of everything, and thats the way I've always posted on this site too, look at my history I think you will see it in all my posts....sorry if it bothers you, I respect your opinion, but everyone has the option to "ignore" any member they choose, I'm a big boy so this internet stuff is no more than quick entertainment....personally I don't ignore anybody, I actually like to read DJ's (cough)comments.

Now one thing I don't understand about your post is that you seem to say or imply, that I should supply a link that disputes what DJ is saying about the split ram(GPU) but then you say that basicly "hyperlinks" and the internet are just used to "perpetuate" beliefs, and you go on to say that I should be just as critical of the websites as Iam DJ, because no matter what many of them are full of crap. -uhm, yes any site can be accused of being full of crap from time to time, or in some cases ALL the time, but to say DJ is somehow just as creditable as the IGN link I provided which comes from the dev's themselves well thats....uhm thats, uhm not creditable in my "humble" opinion.

Finally I disagree with the conclusion of the "moral" of the story, because I think its possible to debate WITH sarcasm/humor (not insults and personal attacks)and still "contribute" to the discussion, as far as "proving" something well you can't "prove" anything on here anyway, but hopefully you can provide "sound" info. and let the reader decide for himself. -I haven't called him names other than "Sonyfanboy", which he is and its not like, "oh my god, thats a terrible insult"...."if" someone called me a fanboy, it would be because they "think" I'm brand loyal to M$ or Xbox, I would disagree, but I wouldn't take it as a personal insult, since they don't know me. -'sigh of course some people feelings bruise easily, in that case you can't please everybody.

[Geohound]

Hey, DJ get his information STRAIGHT FROM THE DEVELOPERS! NOT your crazy "RUMORS" or "LEAKED ARTICLES"!! He's a college dude/music producer! That's two things! Don't you question his math! If DJ says 256>512, then it's true.

DJ, forget these dudes, I got your back.

[Genki]

I didn't know it was more rooted in humor than anything else, so no harm done.

As far as the split RAM goes, I say it's a toss up, and depends upon the situation. It reminds me of an all-in-one printer. While I agree with DJ that having split ram is beneficial due to the different type of RAM CPU's and GPU's use, I don't necessarily think it's better overall. Reason being, is that unified RAM seems more convenient and time efficient, like the all-in-one printer/copier/scanner/toaster , and whatever other gadgets come in those things these days.

It's a lot easier to scan, print and copy(lend more RAM to either the CPU or GPU when necessary) from one device(unified RAM), than it is to walk into another office or room to copy/scan items(CPU utilizing GPU RAM in PS3, or vice versa). Ultimately though, I think it's safe to say that in most cases, standalone machines designed for their particular job(XDR and GDDR3 RAM for the CPU and GPU respectively) perform those tasks more efficiently and with higher yields. I think both designs compromise somewhat, but neither of them are bad designs as fanboys from both sides would have us believe.

Of course, I'm no tech guru, as this is merely my own educated guess...

[gnothe1]

man everybody knows that DJ will defend his precious PS3 to the end!! it could be something with 100% proof in black an white an he will come up with some kinda excuse why it is or isn't true!!we all can see that RIGHT NOW games look better on xbox!! but not to DJ!!we all should know that 512>256, but not to DJ!!an we all know that XBL is better than the PS network, but not to DJ!! you see where I'm going with this.

at the same time ,I feel no remorse for him at all because of all of the bull crap he spreaded about the xbox before the PS3 launched.but instead of saying I TOLD YOU SO!! about the PS3 like he thought now he's on the defensive!!

[deathtok]

So wait a minute... I lose the horse armor! Wait... didn't you have to buy it anyway?

[FKN Unbelievable]

Yeah so it will look good on the Better Version. When you support the art it comes back to you 2-fold. Damn Seems like Memory was the issue not Space. All those Gigs and so little Ram.

Nas had it Right on Hip-hop is dead, "Go to every station and Murder the DJ" PS3 has died this morning and it dead,its dead.

[TheMART]

Maybe DJ is hired by Sony to talk all this Barbie Ken nonsense?

It's strange he's still here and believing his own twists and lies if you ask me.

I feel sorry for ya dude, saw your video on the music website. Which isn't going to make big bucks also

[Killer Cop]

This rumor is dead, and it's proven:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

The game is not downgraed because of some limitation of the PS3. Anyway, read the link it will expalin.

[ChickeyCantor]

what if sony,ms and nintendo fused....what kind of fanboys would be here on this planet then.......i'm just wondering.

the fighting about wich system is better......memory this memory that..gfx this gfx that....why would you people care..specs mean nothing to us, it means something to the developers...let them figure it out.

if you dont like PS3.......then dont buy it and dont bash it!
you dont like the 360......dont get it get a PS3....and dont bash the 360.

you people are fighting over a machine, its like all of you trying to show how big your c*ck is!
a machine people! it doesnt give you money it takes money away from you and in exchange you can play games!!!!

[gnothe1]

the fighting is about redemption. for all the PS fanboys that told MS fanboys that the xbox was crap,cheap, was gonna be destroyed when the Ps3 launched!! tell me this, how would you feel if someone told you as a child while you were growing up that you will never be anything, you will never amount to anything in life, then you grow up to be a billionaire.you know you would rub it in their faces. same thing here!! the PS3 was supposed to show its superiority(according to DJ,PS3FAN an many others)at launch now there backtracking an saying a year.what will happen in a year if nothing changes an games still look an run better on the 360 are they gonna need 2!!

[Aflac]

"It's so easy to just cry "liar, liar", isn't it?"-WTF? if uv been posting on this site for a while u MUST HAVE seen my other posts that actually prove what I have been saying. I'm sick of copy pasting, but u leave me no choice since u obviously don't understand the fact that I am not just simply saying "liar liar", no, I actually have the proof that DJ is wrong, besides just this article itself. Beynd3d is like wikipedia, any1 could go in and sign up as a developer-i could do that if i wanted to. Anyway, here's my proof:

A link DJ posted-as it turns out he overlooked a few things that smother his arguement: http://arstechnica.com/news... did he not read the whole thing? Guess not cuz its only additional evidence of the ps3's inferiority to the 360...
The 360’s OS uses only 3% of its CPU time on Cores 1 and 2, while Core 0 is free altogether, and 6.25% (32mb) of its 512mb RAM, this means that the 360 has more processing power available for in-game graphics and physics. Meanwhile, the ps3’s OS…
“In the case of the PS3 this equates to 12.5% of the available Cores on the CPU always reserved, an additional 12.5% sometimes taken by the OS, 12.5% of the available RSX memory and 25% of XDR Cell memory. Balancing these out, one could argue that Sony has removed up to 25% of the available CPU power and 18.75% of RAM for these features as well as others that are not mentioned here or will be added in future updates to the PS3 Operation System.”
Wow, 18.75% (96mb) of the ps3’s 512mb of total RAM, vs. 6.25% (32mb) of the 360’s 512mb RAM, say, that means the ps3 has 416mb RAM left vs. the 360’s leftover 490mb RAM for graphics…
I could be wrong, but isn’t 490mb greater than 416mb???
Sources:
http://arstechnica.com/news... <--the link posted by DJ, LMFAO!!!
http://ps3.qj.net/Inside-th... <--another unbiased source that states the same exact ps3 information from your link DJ, and also describes the 360 and compares them.
DJ, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT, ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU...
http://news4gamers.com/News... 2.3 - That information's really old though.
DJ - 20 Hours ago | Let him/her speak
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any follow-up articles on what the final OS requirements are. Have you seen anything recent? I just remember a few devs saying that final OS requirements are smaller than what companies originally lay out, but I'm not sure by how much. With PS2 it was a 50% reduction in CPU/RAM requirements, but considering how much multi-tasking the PS3 has to do there's no easy way to predict.
"It's probably still 6 SPEs and the PPE available for game functions, but they might've freed up the 7th SPE for game functions (only devs know). "Sony is not considering having the OS periodically demand a second SPE." The 5 SPE possibility was shot down pretty fast.
http://arstechnica.com/news... That's the article in case anyone wants to see it. The info's 7 months old, but still a good read."

BTW, heres somethin else t look at: http://www.wii60.com/videog...

[GaMr-]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

"Rumors were rampant about the reasons behind the lack of downloadable content. Other websites have reported that the justification behind the missing missions and features was due to technical limitations of the console. According to Hines, nothing could be farther from the truth."

"According to Hines, the shader functionality that would re-render the low-res textures would inevitably make its way to the 360 build and PC in future updates. However, certain optimizations that take advantage of the system's hardware will remain exclusive to the PS3 version of the game."

"In fact, the other reason why the downloadable content for the PS3 version of the game isn't included isn't solely because of the technical limitations of the system. Instead, it's because the designers haven't actually tested the PlayStation Network Store and the mechanisms for delivering content to systems."

WOW.....TROLL MUCH.... Reading is fundamental. Xbox fanboys im sorry but you guys need to back off on this one. The game will be a more polished version on the PS3. Its in the damn article. I didnt even read the other posts. Too much fanboying hurts my eyes. I dont believe either of these new consoles (with exception of the wii) has any critical limitations. They always figure it out. The PS2 allegedly had limitations but they some how figured out how to work wonders on that thing. Im no developer but I got a nose for BullS)-(it and "system limitations" translated out of bullS)-(it language means "We cant figure out how to do it but we want to save face as really good devs". Please dont start spittin tech specs over here unless your going to show me your certification that your an authorized game developer and you have worked with the PS3 architecture.

[ChickeyCantor]

@gnothe
keep in mind that they are talking about machines...... machines that are not primary things in life.
if someone said xbox sucks and PS3 rules, no lifes will be damaged.

if someone told me i will be nothing in the future, and i prove them wrong, it indeed feels good...but that will be about my life.....xbox nor PS3 has nothing to do with your life what so ever....you can live without them...right?

so all these fanboys are just using energy for nothing.

[FKN Unbelievable]

"if you dont like PS3.......then dont buy it and dont bash it!
you dont like the 360......dont get it get a PS3....and dont bash the 360. "

As Members of the consumers chain we have a right to critique anything we want if were spending money for it.

[kamakazi]

you guys need to play more games....not. it wouldnt surprise me if you guys went to war over this like people go to war over religion, its rediculous.

[StateofMind]

Oblivion for the PS3 has been confirmed by reviewers and the developers themselves to be of higher quality than the 360 AND PC versions. A guy with a Bill Gates avatar is obviously going to have a different position on that though.

[DrSpock]

I'm obviously kinda new to this site, though I have been observing it for quite some time, but finally decided to join the madness. I am trying to decide whether to go with a 360 or a PS3, and as of right now, I am leaning towards the 360, seems to have more fun games, and also apparently more powerful anyway. If any of you have any advice please let me know!

[StateofMind]

The PS3 is actually more powerful in terms of processing power than the 360. People will argue until the end of time about which system will push the best graphics, so don't even ask. Right now, the 360 has been out for well over a year and has the game(s) to show it. The PS3, on the other hand, is still new and is therefore lacking a big game library. I advise you to look into upcoming releases before you make your purchase, because within the next year or two both the PS3 and Xbox360 will be completely different systems and it's important to know which direction they're going.

If you want a generic answer from me:
The PS3 is more powerful, but won't show it for a while(mid-late '07).
The 360 will have great FPS games
The PS3 will have a great variety of games.

If you like playing FPS games online, go with the 360. If you plan on buying a second console in the near future, go with the 360. If you're only going to get one, buy the PS3 and be patient for a few months.

Oh, and if you like watching movies then go with the PS3 no doubt.

[DrSpock]

However, just a few things to address:
1) As I said in my first post, I have been watching this site very closely for a long time, along with many other sites alike, and have seen a lot of stuff people post in their arguements about which system is more powerful. I would like to kindly ask you for a link to a source that can actually show at least some kind of actual proof if the PS3 is really more powerful, so far every major source that has officially said something of this matter has insisted that the 360 is indeed more powerful for gaming. Time and again when I had seen PS3 fanboys on this site try to back themselves with links, it turns out that their sources are just fanboy comments on other sites like this one, sometimes even from older comments on this very site. The PS3 also did have an extra year for development, and has developers that have been working on games for it for several years now, ver since sony released the hardware specs, so they knew exactly what they were going to have at their disposal. I may get one in a few years down the road even if I get a 360 anyway, but I'm not sure, I need to be impressed, and if killzone 2 and motorstorm are the best PS3 games can get in terms of graphics, I really don't know.

2) I really only buy consoles for gaming, but when I decide to go with a new dvd format, I will just go with a hybrid player, this format war is rediculous and a true assault on consumers.

3) Multi-player is probably the biggest part of it all. I want the system with the best multiplayer games, which so far seems to be the 360. I also enjoy RPG's, and I know PS3 gets more of them, but seems to have few good multiplayer games, while the 360 as I said has many appealing multiplayer games, but as we all know, the 360 has few RPG's, but at least just about every single one is quite excellent, and the system is scheduled to be recieving more and more anyways, so I think overall the 360 will be the best way for me to go.

My overall conclusion thus far is that the 360 is going to be a much better experience, I'm just trying to make absolutely sure that I am not overlooking anything.

[greenlynxx]

Don't take StateofMind's remarks too seriously. He makes way too many unfounded assumptions and oversimplifications. For example he states that the PS3 has a more powerful processor as if to state that the PS3 is a technically superior system. It is true that the CPU in the PS3 is more powerful but he fails to mention that the GPU in the 360 is more powerful than the one in the PS3. It isn't as simple as he makes it out to be. Here is the real breakdown.

Hardware: Both systems are a wash. They have their strengths and weaknesses but from a gaming perspective they are too close to use the power of the hardware as your primary purchase decision. As I mentioned above the 360 has a superior graphics processor as well as the ability to produce superior A.I. in games. The PS3 is better with its more powerful CPU at things like physics and handling multiple things at once like enemies on screen etc. But the bottom line is they aren't that different from each other.

Games: Dispite what the Sony fanboys say the jury is still out on this one. Right now the 360 has more games but this is a totally different generation and no one knows who will be king in the end. This is because most games will and are (at the moment) going mulitplatform. Fanboys will tout exclusives as the reason for buying but one system over the other. While that is one reason the problem is we don't know yet what the future of eclusive games will be like in 3-5 years. The only thing that does appear certain is that the PS3 will get more Japanese quirky games than the 360. So if that is what you prefer then the PS3 is for you. You will hear all the time that all the 360 has is FPS blah blah blah. This is incorrect, just look at the current games that are both out and coming out to know this is untrue. Once again it appears at the moment that there will be a much more even spread of games on both consoles at the end of the day.

Online: The 360 kicks the PS3's buttt all day long in this department. Enough said. Yes, the PS3's online is free but if you take online seriouly there is only one choice, the 360.

Controller: The 360 has rumble and the PS3 does not. Rumble has considerable more uses than the tilt controller in the PS3 so it is not a good trade off.

Final Comments: You have to make up your own mind but personally I prefer the 360. Since the hardware of the two systems is a wash and since most games will be cross platform the real differentiating factors are going to be in the software department. The hardware can't be changed once released but the software can and will continue to be improved upon. We don't know the future but my bet is on the best software company in the world Microsoft. With innovations coming like Live Anywhere that will allow me to play the same games or at least be able to communicate with them across the PC, Xbox, cellphones, Zune?, and the portable gaming platform MS will inevitable deliver, to me MS is the only option. Oh, and of course we can't forget IPTV from MS as well.

[M1am1U]

Try all the systems out. My personal choice was a 360. I played the PS3, RFOM and others and didn't enjoy it as much as the 360. I'm not going to bash the PS3, it's a good system, but for my tastes and enjoyments it wasn't for me. And in relation to this article, I've really enjoyed playing Oblivion and its downloadable extras. I've gotten over 100 hours of gameplay out of it. If there's some minute extras or enhancements on one system or another, so be it. It hasn't taken away from my game playing experience. Just my opinion, take it as you may.

[ApocalypseShadow]

oblivion is known to be better looking on ps3,but that split ram supposedly makes it inferior?

IF PS3 ONLY HAD JUST 256 OF RAM,THEN THE GAMES WOULD LOOK HALF,FANBOYS,HALF AS GOOD.YOU CAN'T MAKE A GAME WITH LESS RAM TO WORK WITH AND MAKE IT BETTER LOOKING THAN FULL 512 OF RAM.SOME OF YOU SOUND SO STUPID WITH THIS RIDICULOUS THEORY.MICROSOFT UNIFIED IT'S RAM,BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE SPLIT FOR USE.IT'S JUST HARDER ON PS3 BECAUSE IT'S NOT PC LIKE IN ARCHITECTURE.

if i had a car with 200 horsepower,i'm not going to beat a car with 400 horsepower.but if i had the same horsepower,but i had a different engine than the first car,then it means i have a good chance of winning off the block.it depends on what tires i had,the terrain, weight,etc.you cant' come up with games that look as good or better with half the ram.USE YOUR BRAINS.

this is another stupidly titled article that's just burning with fanboy flames.

[TheMART]

It doesn't really matter what you're thinking, reality is better.

Reality is: all multiplatform games have been looking better on the 360 up till now.

Oblivion will get shader/lightning update for the 360 also. So any advantage of the new PS3 version of Oblivion is gone there. The memory restriction is there, and a real workaround is probably difficult.

Especially when the PS3 OS is eating up about 100 MB of the 256 MB for CPU and a complete SPU of the Cell. Which leaves 156 MB, with a possible workaround about 400 MB for other tasks. The 360 only takes 30 MB max for the OS. Which leaves about 480 MB for other tasks and no memory restriction due to unified memory.

That all together will make people see the 360 version will be better over and over again. And optimalisation for Cell... which gives what. Shorter loading times?

Who cares, it's all about the graphics and gameplay. As long as 360 has those better, you may have 5 seconds loading time and I'll be more then glad to wait 7 or 8!

[StateofMind]

Multi-platform games will almost always perform a bit worse on the PS3 for one reason: the 360 is easier to program for, and therefore games will be ported from there to the PS3 and not vice-versa.

The only way this will change is if the PS3 takes a huge majority of the market, forcing developers to make games look as good as they can instead of making them barely worthy of the 360, and then throwing it on the PS3.

Ever played Final Fantasy VII for PC? Is the PS1 more powerful than PC?

PS3 games won't look better than 360 games until the console is given enough time to have mature exclusives.

You've got the launch title Resistance...(newborn baby, soft spot on head)
Next up is Motorstorm...(aww, it's getting big!)
In a year's time you'll see a gap, if a gap is to exist at all.

[timmyp53]

flame bait headline.. fanboys drawn in like good little fishies

[ChickeyCantor]

@fkn

i'm just saying bashing something cozz you got your self the other product aint helping anyone.

if you bash something atleast come with good reasons and not like:
PS3 suxors 360 suxors.
and really, don't go talk about specs while you ain't no developer....
( i'm talking in general)
its all fanboy rubbish that comes out anyway.

RAM THIS RAM THAT!!!! how about RAM up your *** ....i mean its 256 or 512......doesnt matter they are both good...up your *** that is !

ok im done :) XD

[DrJones]

This is not true. Read on ign and you will see Bethesda denying the rumours that claim hardware limitation as the cause. This is a rumour that has spread out of control.

[UrbanJabroni]

They RIPPED IGN's bullshit article to shreads.

[ApocalypseShadow]

most of these games started out on 360,then ported to ps3.ps3 is not like 360.but your brain must not be turned on to see that you can't do a straight port.it's like european voltage and american voltage.not the same baby boy.you got to convert.same with money.use that brain.

as i said,you can't come up with a game that is as good looking with half the ram.unless the other system has the same amount to use.and that's the case.oblivion wasn't downgraded in any way.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Personaly I thought Oblivian kinda sucked it was to long and had too many copy and paste graphics. I liked playing it like Thief but let’s face it there is only one Thief (Taffer). I did like the character and class customizations and the free roaming.

[StateofMind]

"Today I met and spent significant time with Bethesda and their most important title, Oblivion. I spent half of my day playing the expansion for the Xbox 360 and PC, Shivering Isles, and the other half playing the PlayStation 3 version of the title.

While messing around, I cleared up a few rumors floating around about the PS3 version of the game. I'd like to share them with you and make sure you can seperate the truths from the lies:

Rumor: To decrease loading time, the developers put five versions of the game on the Blu-ray disc of the PS3.

Truth: Not true. They squeezed all the content of one game, not five. Load times are not drastically reduced across the board either. Most loads will not take as much time as they do on the 360.

Rumor: The PS3 version will not be able to accept downloadable content -- specifically horse armor -- because of the machine's limitations.

Truth: A rep for the game said this was also false. He said their ability to do downloadable content relies on the permission of Sony and how they want to handle microtransactions, not any restrictions that may exist on the PS3 hardware.

Finally, a random fun fact: The PlayStation 3 version of Oblivion supports up to 720p -- but you should know, the game looked much better on Sony's console"

http://www.destructoid.com/...