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Assassin's Creed, Stadia and kindness: Introducing Jade Raymond's Haven Studio

The former Ubisoft, EA and Google exec discusses her new independent team.

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Notellin967d ago

She hasn't done anything notable in so long I can't believe anyone cares.

Orchard967d ago

this^

Has she actually done anything meaningful since the first AC?

Chevalier967d ago

She's got 20+ more years in the game industry than you guys. But let's get this straight you guys are the same people who prop up The Initiative which literally has no games under their belt and now need another studios help, but, hey look it's 'exciting'.

Playstation funds a start up studio and you guys are like she hasn't done anything in awhile. So what?! She's doing something now.

Orchard967d ago

@Chevalier Has she? You don't know either of us nor how old we are.

She doesn't have the best track record post AC... SC Blacklist, WD1, AC Unity, Battlefront 2...

Also where did I say The Initiative are a good studio? Please show me.

Chevalier966d ago

Cool. Says you've been here a year and you're a game developer? So what masterpiece did you make?! 😆

You can list off all these 'failed' games she's done. Yet they're all successful properties though. But again go ahead and list your illustrious game developing career that puts hers to shame. I'll wait.

Orchard966d ago (Edited 966d ago )

@Chevalier Been on N4G for about a year probably now, yeah.

The difference is I’m just a lead engineer, I don’t set any kind of creative direction for the titles I work on - I simply execute and deliver other peoples ideas.

She will be a key stakeholder in the direction of the title - as she has been on her past games.

Also WD1 and ACU were a mess, Battlefront 2 an even bigger mess. And where’s splinter cell nowadays?

She has only really directed one successful product - the first AC.

I’ll happy be proven wrong though and will eat my hat & buy the game if it’s good.

Nacho_Z966d ago

@Orchard

Mad how you bought a PS5 just to give an air of legitimacy to the Microsoft PR work you do on here. Shows real commitment.

Orchard966d ago (Edited 966d ago )

@Nacho_Z Yes, I sunk hundreds of dollars into difficult to find consoles I don't intend on using, same reason I own a PS4, same reason I spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on PS5 games. I'm thinking of buying a Lambo next since I'm apparently made of money 😂

Chevalier966d ago (Edited 966d ago )

"Also WD1 and ACU were a mess, Battlefront 2 an even bigger mess. And where’s splinter cell nowadays"

So NONE of that is the fault of EA or Ubisoft?! It's ALL her fault?! Lol. EA has had issues with Star Wars because of their strategy which I doubt had much to do with her. Ubisoft hasn't been using their own IP so the idea that Splinter Cell which Ubisoft has shown they have no interest in making games for has again nothing to do with her.

What's worse is you say you worked the same position she did so you should know that. Sounds like she does have more experience than you do, but, you're pretending you know know more. Well thanks for proving my point. The idiocy you spout is absolutely garbage.

I agree with Nacho's recent comment. It's pretty easy to see in your comment history shilling Gamepass and pretending. It seems for someone pretending to be unbiased stupid stuff you have said like the following wouldn't occur, following quote:

"Heck even one of the best PS5 games is developed by Microsoft."

True words of an idiot. But yeah sure you have a PS5. Dude just sell this pretend PS5 you 'own' and get rid of it. Doesn't even sound like you're a gamer. But yeah if you're idea of 'developing' games is buying games already in development is making games. Which original IP has Microsoft developed and not purchased? All their best IPs so far have already existed and they came along and purchased. Wait I thought you said you're a game developer? Wouldn't you know that? But again go ahead and show us illustrious career that so outshines Jade Raymond. But based on what you're saying can we assume you're not very good as a developer? Nah that would be a biased and dumb assumption wouldn't it?! But here you are trying to tear another developer down? Humble you aren't! I really hope I don't have the displeasure of supporting your game development 🙏.

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Orchard966d ago (Edited 966d ago )

@Chev I never said it was all her fault, but clearly, in such a high up role with some degree of control over the business and creative directions of a project - some blame has to land on her.

I work as an engineer, which she was one day, yes - before going over to the creative side. But as stated, engineers don’t set the direction on anything on the creative or business side. If she was just a programmer on those games then it wouldn’t have been up to her anyway and she’d have zero blame - along with all the other programmers.

Which part of my statement about DeathLoop is incorrect if it’s the words of an idiot? Is it not one of the best games today on PS5?

Hate to break it to you, but my PS5 isn’t pretend, I’ve shared pictures on here multiple times and always happy to share more pictures - I even have another one coming soon from Walmart!

Developing games is writing the code, creating the models and textures etc - buying a studio doesn’t mean they are no longer developing games…

Also it’s perfectly normal for corporations to acquire studios. The only one who doesn’t do it often is Nintendo.

Given the companies I’ve worked and the one I’m currently at - you definitely support my titles - and I thank you for it 👍 - we may not see eye to eye but I always like seeing people play my work.

@Monkey Where did I say people are out to get me? I don’t think that at all. And what actions?

The difference here is people like me don’t think that because we own a plastic box and some silicon that somehow it is 100% perfect and the company can never be criticized.

I doubt you even have a PS5.

But aside from that, Jade Raymond has nothing to do with Sony or PS5 really, and has been criticized for year.

Are we now also not allowed to criticize third parties if they ship on PS5? Interesting.

Anyways, with that, I am out because this topic is getting stale.

Chevalier965d ago

Again thanks for proving my point about how much of an idiot you are! No one says you can't criticize other people work or shipping on PS5. But honestly there's no game out yet and you're trying to tear her work down?! It's absolutely 💯 idiotic.

I have a couple friends working in the movie industry. One whose work won him and Emmy and his studio does work regularly from games, movies etc., but, as much success as they've had they don't go tear down other developers or movie studios/people EVER and always have great discussions with them. The other always proudly post about the work they've filmed and positive posts about seeing the movies they helped make in theatres afterwards. Definitely work that would have been seen in the U.S., but, they're actually never posting or tearing down anyone in the industry they're involved in.

Apparently you're a developer? But it's kind of despicable to see you tear down other people's work and disparage them when you can't even post about any of your work. Honestly you seem like a really awful person regardless of whether you're good at your job or not I can say with certainty that you're not humble. Definitely some absolutely trash comments all round! I'd say I look forward to you adding something worth discussing, but, nah pretty sure it's just going to be more idiotic trash 🗑.

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SassyBoi967d ago

Yeah I don't even know who this bird is.

bangoskank967d ago

She hasn't done anything notable ever. She's just a face, not a creative.

Silly gameAr966d ago

"She hasn't done anything notable in so long I can't believe anyone cares."

Until she does a game for MS and Xbox, and then she'll be the most creative woman in gaming.

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CaptainHenry916966d ago

There's a lot of publishers and developers that haven't done anything notable in a decade. But I won't name them because there's a lot of sensitive gamers on here.

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Orchard966d ago (Edited 966d ago )

@Monkey_Balls and they got a lot of stick for their behavior and performance last gen and turned it around for this gen.

Now they’ve released hit games like Psychonauts 2, MSFS already this year with (the very fun) Halo and FH to come. And GamePass is on fire with 12 minutes, back 4 blood etc.

Heck even one of the best PS5 games is developed by Microsoft.

The difference is there’s no indication of Jade Raymond improving or changing post AC1. I would love to be proved wrong though.

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Orchard966d ago

@Monkey_Balls I play on PS5 - it’s also the only next gen console I have. So why would I attack her for working on PlayStation? I also work on PlayStation myself… maybe I should attack myself.

Also most of the studios MS and Sony have are acquisition… so what?

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Orchard966d ago (Edited 966d ago )

@Monkey I’ve shared multiple pictures of my PS5 on here before, complete with date and my username in the picture.

For example: https://ibb.co/J2Nb4SN

It’s no secret that I game on PS4 and 5.

13sentinel966d ago (Edited 966d ago )

"Heck even one of the best PS5 games is developed by Microsoft."

You mean developed by Arkane studios. Whether Microsoft was in the picture or out, deathloop wouldn't have released any differently. Arkane studios have never needed Microsoft to be the success they are today. Basically, MS's biggest achievement, is that they threw money around.

Orchard966d ago

@13sentinel Microsoft owns them, ergo it's made by Microsoft - which part of my statement is incorrect?

MS and Sony have both bought a lot of studios. It's normal business for a corporation.

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13sentinel966d ago

Agreed, I can see straight through her thin PR facade. There is nothing of substance behind her face

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RaiderNation966d ago

Can we have an honest conversation here? The only reason anyone cares as much about this chick as they do is because shes attractive. If she looked like Gabe Newell no one would be giving her this much attention.

DOMination-966d ago

Every other day the biggest article on N4G seems to be something about a nude patch on a PC game.

It isn't Jades fault that she is a woman trying to make games.

I thought we had moved past the stereotype that gamers were all sweaty boys stuck in a basement but the evidence is sadly here in the comments of this article alone to prove the industry hasn't moved on at all.

KingofBandits966d ago

I remember when all the simps came out to drool over her back in the day. I actually figured she just faded away so seeing this surprised me. Either way I am both interested and not. Look I love PlayStation as a brand and for what it represents in gaming and Japanese culture but.....they are becoming way too censorship heavy and the BS of game approval moving to "woke" California has been a disaster thats lead to appeasing of the whiners while clamping down on traditional aspects. PlayStation's leadership is definitely more hands off, then say Microsoft but I just hope this isn't more woke BS.

Yui_Suzumiya964d ago

That's why I buy most games for my Switch nowadays.. especially visual novels

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Every PlayStation Studios game available now on Windows PC

Windows Central writes: "Many PlayStation Studios games that are ported to PC get dedicated PS5 DualSense support, which allows users to experience haptic feedback and adaptive trigger support without actually having to own a PS5.

According to Hermen Hulst, head of PlayStation Studios, it's still the company's intent to launch the bigger single-player games on PS5 first, before later bringing the games to PC. This might not be the case for multiplayer games however, which are considered okay to launch simultaneously on console and PC."

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ocelot0716h ago

My guess is after god of war. Probably last of us 2 that's a almost 4 year old game now and by the time it's released on pc it will be more than 4 years old or close to 5.

Elda10h ago

Every old Playstation game that is now on PC.

shinoff218342m ago

Right. I definitely see what a headlined from a website named windows central was trying to do though. It's cute little wordplay to help out the green box

XiNatsuDragnel8h ago

Good at least they can sell hardware

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Days Gone Director Says Bend's Project Costs Over $250M; Says PS Co-CEO Doesn't Want 2 Zombies Games

Days Gone director claims Sony has already poured in at least a $250M in Bend's project; says Days Gone sold more than Death Stranding.

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shinoff21831d 4h ago

Well that sucks. Seems they want more online trash. I'd rather of had the sequel if it was single player

MrNinosan13h ago

What online trash games did PS Studios release last 10 years?

Notellin11h ago

The past has nothing to do with the future. This is such a terrible argument. Everyone knows about their current live service push.

_SilverHawk_10h ago

It's so tragic what happened to days gone. It is such an amazing game but bandwagoners trashed it and it underperformed in it's launch year. Days gone is the best open world zombie game released in the past five years. I was recently playing it on pc and I'm still amazed by it.

Games are very expensive to make and it seems like it's normal for a AAA game to cost over a quarter billion to make so if a quality game like days gone greatly underperforms then people shouldn't be upset when they see a lot of GAAS. I still remember a lot of bandwagoners calling days gone trash but years later it's now amazing when it's considered a failure by sony.

If a game isn't the best thing seen since hats with pockets then a lot of gamers who haven't played it automatically calls it rubbish and whoever made it should be incarcerated

Cacabunga9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Co CEO prefers gamers to boycott.. so be it. I’ll never buy a gaas.
Just imagine buying a game you cannot replay in some years.. this shit must stop.

Days Gone did zombies in a very original way. The story was also so engaging. You actually only meet Zombie hordes later in the game. There are many more enemy groups to deal with.

MrNinosan7h ago

@Notelin
I am one of the few who bought Days Gone on release day and loved it completely.
However, "more online trash" is phrased like Sony has put out alot of trash online games.
We got what, 2 games? Helldivers 2 and GT7, 2 of the most sold Playstation games where both is loved by millions.

You, me and especially shinoff has no idea if Fairgames, Marathon and Concord will be trash.

Just because we (as in you and me) don't love or support online games, doesn't mean millions of other do.

And we don't know what Bend Studio is working with? We don't know if they're forced to make a online game or another amazing single player experience.

The only thing we do know is that it's not Days Gone, sadly due to poor sales the first 6 months.

shinoff21835h ago(Edited 5h ago)

More online trash wasmt meant how insee it comes across. I should've worded it different I was meaning the focus they currently have on it.

Anything online is online trash to me. How long did naughty dog spend on that dumba last of us multiplayer, how about Concord, or even the other couple we hear about. I fk with Sony because rpgs and their 1st party single player games. Been like that for years. I hate seeing them waste time, money, and talent on trash. I understand bot every game is gonna be for me but this focus they've seem to had on multiplayer is extremely disheartening. Even at the state of play the only things I was really feeling were Astrobot and silent hill 2 and I'm content with that, not everything is for me. It's just the online focus I hate. Ms bought up 3 to 4 wrpgs developers, Sony just ignores rpgs 1st party wise.

And a days gone 2 would've been much better then whatever online sht bend is working on. I do know sometimes I get very idk emotional. I do need to work on toning that down a bit lol

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-Foxtrot1d 4h ago

It would be a shame if it was true that Hermen never gave the franchise a chance simply because he didn't like it and they already had a "Zombie" game with TLOU.

NaughtyDog are most likely moving onto a new IP next so it would have been the perfect time to do it.

ThinkThink20h ago

Here's where xbox steps in and releases state of decay 3 day and date on ps5.

shinoff21835h ago

I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

Grilla13h ago

Days gone 2 was canceled before Herman was in charge. That happened like 4 years ago.

vfl52312h ago

4 years ago he was head of Playstation Studios. He would've probably had a hand in the cancelation.

Notellin11h ago

Man two seconds of research could have saved you from this comment. Amazing work Grilla you fit in with the uniformed N4G community who speaks before verifying anything that they say.

Redemption-6410h ago

Maybe encourage people to buy the game at full price and not when it's heavily discounted or go on plus. If this game had sold well when it was full priced a sequel would have been in the works. They made a single-player game that most people didn't support until they dropped the price.

Cacabunga9h ago

The guy’s just a moron.. he should have stayed within game development. His choices will have a terrible impact on the brand in the long run.

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excaliburps14h ago

Yep. Kind of weird since it wasn't a sales flop, no?

I know we have to take what Ross says with a grain of salt since we're hearing just one side of the story, but even so, the game wasn't bad at all. Heck, it's my brother's favorite last-gen game from what I recall.

The amount of zombies on screen, imagine that with the PS5 and SSD? That would be insanely fun!

Grilla13h ago

Most copies were sold on sale. Not enough ppl bought it at full price. I paid 20$ for it 6 -7 months after release.

Notellin11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

Yeah we should never believe the creators side until we hear the corporate/big business side as history has shown we should always believe billion dollar corporations.

What a bootlicker statement.

derek7h ago

@Notellin, of course you'll believe an embittered ex-employee with an axe to grind because it's evil Sony he's complaining about. You guys act like days gone was this huge success and somehow Sony hates easy money a sequel would have generated. The game was mid and so was the response to it. They're still supporting the developer who is making a new ip that could be great.

shinoff21835h ago

Days gone was fantastic. I bought day one but didn't get around to it for months. When I finally did I was pissed at myself for waiting so long lol

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P_Bomb14h ago

Well I don’t want 10 live service games, but they have no problem doing that lol. Ugh.

CrimsonWing6913h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Oh great so we only get what the big wigs want… y’know, the people that really have their fingers on the pulse of what their consumers want. Faaaaantastic!

rippermcrip10h ago

Well consider they know the sales... they do know what the consumer wants.

It sold shit.

-Foxtrot5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

But if it’s true what this guy says it sold better than Death Stranding

Yet that got a sequel and Kojima aside out of them both DS didn’t really NEED a sequel compared to Days Gone which ended on such a cliff hanger twist.

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Former Activision studio Toys for Bob partners with Xbox to publish its first game as an indie

Former Activision studio Toys for Bob partners with Xbox to publish its first game as an indie. This is something of a homecoming, as Microsoft owns Activision.

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Obscure_Observer1d 2h ago

Very very early in development. Still, fantastic news!

Let´s GO!!!

Lightning771d ago

I guess.

How come they didnt either let them go or sell Tango and others to another publisher? Not saying Ubisoft, EA would be any better. (Capcome would of treated them right )

At least it wouldn't be MS of all ppl destroying them.

MS really should let go Tango go like they did TFB here.

darthv721d ago (Edited 1d ago )

one was under Bethesda (Tango) the other under Activision (TFB). Clearly each one handled the separations of their subordinates differently.

Obscure_Observer23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

"How come they didnt either let them go or sell Tango and others to another publisher? Not saying Ubisoft, EA would be any better. (Capcome would of treated them right )"

Perhaps because Zenimax and ABK handles such matters differently based on their own internal policies as "independent" publishers.

Whoever, chances are it´s simply because MS didn´t wanted Tango or Austin to be acquired by competitors and develop new bangers for them, giving MS a bad rep in a possible future. Which could also be the reason why they ensured an exclusive partnership with TFB and its new game, before anyone else.

Sad and disgusting. But it is what it is.

Lightning7720h ago(Edited 20h ago)

"Whoever, chances are it´s simply because MS didn´t wanted Tango or Austin to be acquired by competitors and develop new bangers for them, giving MS a bad rep in a possible future."

MS has a bad rep now because those studios are no more. I rather them sell the studio continue to make multiplatform releases, while MS continues to focus on whatever they're doing. If they didn't want Tango around they should separated from them or sell them to, like they did TFB.

It's inexcusable, they have options on how to handle studios they don't want anymore with killing jobs. Not just MS but the rest of the industry also.

Sad and disgusting sure how many will get shut down next year or this year even?

I don't trust MS decisions and motivations at this point. You have to admit they make one dumb move after another.

Obscure_Observer12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

"MS has a bad rep now because those studios are no more. I rather them sell the studio continue to make multiplatform releases, while MS continues to focus on whatever they're doing. If they didn't want Tango around they should separated from them or sell them to, like they did TFB."

Imo, MS separated from TFB because they didn´t had a game associated with Xbox yet, unlike Tango.

"I don't trust MS decisions and motivations at this point. You have to admit they make one dumb move after another."

Fair enough. It was indeed an epic dumb move from them to close Tango.

Still, all to be forgotten, like always have. This is not the first time a big publisher shuts down a beloved and/or successful studio out of nowhere and certainly won´t be the last. Do you remember Lionhead? Do you remember Evolution Studios? Yeah... both were beloved studios and yet, those companies kill those studios in q blink of an eye and got away with it.

anast10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

The studio boss made some money from this transaction. Once the game releases, the studio will get chopped up.

-Foxtrot1d 2h ago

Manages to buy their freedom especially after all the shit Microsoft has been doing with its studios lately

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Goes right back to them as partners.

Okaaaaaay...

darthv721d ago

Id venture a guess that TFB working directly with MS was a better outcome than working through Activision to get to MS.

VersusDMC22h ago

From the article...

"Toys for Bob spun out as an indie back in February after Microsoft instituted sweeping layoffs that impacted 86 employees, which was more than half of the staff"

I doubt those 86 employees enjoyed the Microsoft experience over Activisions.

Inverno22h ago

MS shuts down studios because of lack of resources and then helps these guys by giving em resources. Also MS is what forced them to buy their freedom in the first place? What kind of logic 😂

Chevalier18h ago

The best thing is that the company that is worth $3 trillion and owns the company instead of Xbox lacks resources. How the hell does a company worth $3 trillion making a measly $70 billion purchase they 'can't' support. Lol

BlindMango59m ago

The reason they would need to "partner with Microsoft" is simply to make a game that's part of a franchise that Microsoft owns. Meaning they're probably going to make a new Spyro game - they're still an independent studio, but are making a game in a franchise that Microsoft owns. It's kind of like Remedy partnering with Rockstar to be able to make the Max Payne remakes.

shinoff218338m ago

It was probably the deal to get released from Ms

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Sciurus_vulgaris1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

Xbox’s gaming division seems to still function as 3 semi-autonomous sub-divisions, Xbox Studios, Bethesda and ABK. The three main sub-divisions can seemingly shut down or build studios and set up partnerships independently. This would explain why Bethesda can recently shutdown studios, while ABK spins off one studio, while building a new one. Plus, Toys for Bob could be spun off by ABK, only to immediately re-partner with Microsoft.

Chevalier18h ago

That's absolutely 💯 BS. Any sane 'autonomous' company would NOT put their games on Gamepass day 1 like COD will lose probably billions.

Also they're all under Xbox game studios so any autonomy is an illusion.

PhillyDonJawn6h ago

No, I'm sure MS can and does step in when they want something done specifically but I'm also sure they let them also work independently

shinoff218337m ago

I highly highly doubt this. Ms controls all. The guys aren't gonna be allowed to just shut something down like that without approval. No way

Elda19h ago

Either a kiddie game or something uninteresting.

Obscure_Observer12h ago

Don´t worry. You won´t be playing it anyway since their next game will possible be a next gen Xbox console game.

PhillyDonJawn6h ago

Right probably something like astrobot

romulus236h ago

Nah he said "uninteresting", lots of people are interested in Astro Bot.

Elda4h ago

Never Astro Bot. Astro Bot looks better than any exclusive released on XB this entire generation & believe there hasn't been much.

Asplundh3h ago

Crash 4 was good, so I'm hopeful.

PhillyDonJawn2h ago

Hey you said that about SOT and looks like many ppl on PS is playing it. You also found bugsnax interesting ffs your opinion hold no weight lol.

Elda1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Bugsnax is BS, tried it & quickly deleted it. It's a game that fits right on Gamepass. PS5 owners that are probably playing the boring SOT you could count on one hand. LMAO!!...don't try to come for me.

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