Sony's PS Plus missteps risk the PS5's consumer image

Publishers locking subscribers out of PS5 updates is a minor issue on paper - but in a critical year, the missteps may stack up.

[waverider]

Missteps is not having games. That the biggest missetps a company can make. Not being ready..... Players want games and not promises...

[NeoGamer232]

While that is completely true. It is hard to argue that any of the consoles do not have games. All the consoles have been getting third party games and there are a lot of them. What you are probably eluding to is first party games.

To me, this is more and more coming down to a total cost of ownership discussion. I know it isn't an apples-to-apples comparison, but these things all add up. For a lot of people cost matters. Sure most of the people on this site, are more or less core gamers and therefore pay more then most people to play games just like a hard core cyclist will buy the $3,000 bike instead of the $200 bike. But, there is the majority of people who care about the price and want to make sure they get value for cost.

Ghosts of Tsushima Director's Cut $20, to get the expansion, and $10 more to get next gen version. Spider-man MM, had to buy it to get the next gen upgrade to Spider-man from PS4. These little nickel and dimings add up.

Same with Greedfall and FFVII R. Just another cost where many gamers expect it in what they already have.

If all you care about is first party action-adventure games (Ghosts, Spider-man, Uncharted, TLOU, etc.) there is only one console for you to buy, but if you are talking games, cost, subscription services, access to games on many devices, PC, etc into account as well, then there are other options that are competitive with PS. A lot of people can only really afford one platform and that is a financial stretch. When cost is a major driver, then Sony is not the clear winner there. To me, Sony is becoming the Apple of consoles. Yes, they have the best games, but Microsoft looks like they are becoming the Android of consoles where you can get a lot of the same for much cheaper.

[oldenjon]

IMO it's not much different than the last console cycle which had remastered versions of games like TLoU, Dark Souls II, etc. It's actually better this gen with some upgrades being completely free or less than a proper remastered release. I think Microsoft is setting a new precedent, eating costs to gain a market advantage and gamepass subscriptions w/ things like smart delivery and gamers are now feeling entitled to free shit more than anything.

[waverider]

Dude, there no spin available. Want new games, Want next gen games, Want exclusives games, Want a console, The answer is the PS5, Where you dont wait for promises for years. You play games. New ones. Everything else is just talk. No dude, the PS5 wont ever be the apple of consoles, Thats why you can buy a next gen console, not a cross gen console, by 399. just like the PS4. The cheapest on the market. And no you cant get a lot of the same... thats the problem you get a lot of promises....

[Extermin8or3_]

Greedfall and ff7 won't be sony's decision.... they'll be their developers and publishers decision.

[NeoGamer232]

@oldenjon
I think the difference between last generation and this generation is that MS was moving out of first party studios at the start of the last generation, and they are coming into this generation adding first party studios.

All is true on the subscription and free stuff. Not sure if it is cost eating or just changing the expectations of the business model. They never charged a thing more for BC last generation and still aren't. Their history isn't eat costs for market share... Their model has been more consistent with creating change in the business model and sticking with the change.

@waverider
Your post has no logic. Just a rant trying to justify insecurity. There are many next gen only and optimized games both new and old available to XB owners.

All the vendors are making promises don't keep. Open your eyes.... Sony promised they believe in gens yet are shipping games on previous gen consoles. Sony promised Horizon, GT, R&C, and Returnal in first half of 2021. Yet, GT was delayed almost the next week, and Horizon is now for Holidays. God of War Ragnorok promised for 2021 and now 2022. Promised you can put an NVMe third party drive on PS5, still not fulfilled. Sony is just as bad as Microsoft if you actually look at their promises. Wanna keep going back? Remember online gaming would always be free? PS3 promised 1080p gaming at 60 fps, constant delays of first and third party games on PS3. Heck The Last Guardian got delayed a full generation. Yes, MS has been bad at promises but to say one has promised better then the other is just plain wrong.

You can demonize MS and that is fine. But to say Sony is an angel is just pure blindness.

[oldenjon]

@NeoGamer232 I think it's a bit of both. Microsoft has a new model, and the smart delivery options are no doubt factored into the cost of development, sure. It's a well known fact that consoles are sold at a loss, at the beginning of a new generation anyways, and I think it's fair to assume that this idea extends to the new services Microsoft is offering. Sony isn't just charging more because they can, it is more likely because there is an actual cost associated with post-development upgrades / content and it's not going to pander to gamers with discounts and promotions that aren't part of a bigger business strategy. I have doubts about how profitable gamepass and smart delivery are currently, they seem more of a long game scheme than something that makes a lot of money for Microsoft right off the bat. Sony is catching up in its own way, and improving from last gen over all. Bottom line is games like GoT aren't on Xbox, so it's rather difficult to compare.

[NeoGamer232]

@oldenjon
The way I look at GamePass is that if they keep bringing good stuff to GamePass I stay subscribed. If they don't then I will let it go. Personally, don't care about Microsoft's financials. I rate what is happening not what is going to happen. They can promise all they want, but I only assess delivery.

And so far GamePass has delivered for me. GamePass Ultimate is essentially the price of two games for the year. At any one time I have about 4-6 GamePass games on my console so it is paying for itself over and over again. While GamePass does have cannon fodder, there is a ton of good stuff there as well.

[oldenjon]

@NeoGamer232 Yeah I'm not trying to debate the merits of gamepass. Just saying it doesn't really make sense to hold Sony to the same standard when their strategies are so different.

[SurgicalMenace]

What people are truly failing to see is that these companies have to make their money in order to keep delivering to the level that we've come to expect them to. Just like with anything else premium, that involves cost.

What it looks like is a particular part of the community that may HAVE to be more price conscientious expecting to receive what those who don't do. How many of them would go to a Porsche or Bentley dealership expecting to pay Prius prices?

Yes, Microsoft, will give it to you free and has a service that let's you play for cheaper, but these are things they HAVE to do to be relevant in the industry. Where are their consistent examples of excellence that you find in R&C, Horizon, Zelda, or Mario? What game does Microsoft have that can mentioned in the same conversation as these games?

Do you see Nintendo or Sony scrambling to "find" an answer to gamepass, quick resume, smart delivery, etc? No. Why? Because they both deliver on a level that MS cannot match in content alone.

It would seem that all the thrifty gamers have rallied onto the side of MS and believe that their constant whining is going to change how the other players play. If you can't afford it until you can, that's fine, but stop acting as though you're the voice for those of us who understand it takes money to grow. I'm personally old enough to look at a price and decide if I want to pay it or not without crying about it.

Sorry, but, it's not the job of these companies to make it comfortable for you to engage in something that's NOT needed. Gaming is a luxury, that same as fine dining, foreign cars, or the like. If your life efforts does not match the rising costs needed to partake, then perhaps a career change is in order or the exploration of a new hobby. You don't deserve an outcome just because you want it. Grow up.🤷🏾‍♂️

[chiefJohn117]

Well said NeoGamer

[Seraphim]

"Same with Greedfall and FFVII R. Just another cost where many gamers expect it in what they already have."

& therein lies the problem. Gamers expect free upon free upon free. All for a game they did not actually purchase. Now I agree or will say that it would be nice to see those upgrades move forward regardless. I do own VII:R on disc & will admit it would've been nice to just upgrade the digital PS+ version. However, this entire attitude of I'll wait till it's on PS+/Gamepass etc is one of many things wrong with gamers; death threats and revolts over delays are atop that list. On top of that mentality now we have gamers expecting games offered for free to also offer free upgrades. While there may be handouts aplenty in the world expecting them is a major problem. These aren't charitable companies nor are games a necessity.

As for Spiderman. I will also admit that was kind of BS. Though I bought the DLC on sale and didn't even touch any of it until after I got the platinum trophy in Miles Morales, but I still bought the game and DLC. It's also a major reason I stay away from DLC; because I often never touch it & have long since moved on from the game. At the same time, while it would be nice to have that upgraded version I honestly don't give two shits. The PS4 version is more than capable of still being enjoyed, played and still looks great on PS5; coming from Pro. Ghost Director's Cut along with Death Stranding DC. another two I don't care about. Ghost was a great game but I already got the platinum and have zero interest in going back.

Sony found themselves on a pedestal with the success of PS and PS2. I do feel like they're sitting back on that pedestal and getting, perhaps, a bit greedy and arrogant. However they have also earned that spot on the pedestal from years of investing heavily into developers and acquiring them. From releasing so many great games it likely shatters any game publishers library in quantity and quality. It's only a matter of time before they truly shoot themselves in the foot or Nintendo/MS take the reigns and force Sony to rethink operations; as doubtful as it seems. While Sony continues to brings phenomenal 1st party titles they do need to check themselves. Just not for most reasons one would think, imo. 2 cents.

[NeoGamer232]

@SurgicalMenace
With your car analogy there are many cars that are more status cars then they really are premium cars. They have 95% of the features of Bentley or whatever but they aren;t as expensive and are higher volume. In reality people buy Bentleys to say they bought a Bentley rather then it being a real special car that you can't buy elsewhere cheaper.

[hectorius]

NeoGamer2329h ago(Edited 9h ago)

***You can demonize MS and that is fine. But to say Sony is an angel is just pure blindness.***

Demonise MS?? Isn't that what you MS kiddies are trying to do with Sony/PSN?? Lets get some FACTS going shall we BOI???

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

PS Plus Subscriber Count Reaches an Impressive 47.4 Million
87% of PS5 owners are subscribed
LiamCroftby Liam Croft Wed 3rd Feb 2021***

As of 4 months ago, Jimbo has raised PS+ Subscriber count to 47.4m and not ONCE has PS + had to humiliate itself by offering it for $1 per month/quarter.. Of those numbers, 87% are actually PS 5 owners.. As Jimbo is getting more consoles to the market than Spenser, this is over 100% of the Series S/X userbase.

***There are now 47.4 million active PS Plus members, representing an increase of 8.6 million compared to the same time last year.***

In just 1 year, Jimbo has raised the subscription ownership over 22%.

Seems like PS owners are perfectly happy with PS+, which has 2x the subscribers of Gamepass.. With 120m PS 4/5 owners compared to 50m XBoneS/X - Series S/X, which has come nowhere near PS 3s 85-90m shove the fake concern up your jacksie and direct it to where its really needed.

[rdgneoz3]

"Same with Greedfall and FFVII R. Just another cost where many gamers expect it in what they already have."

Greedfall is by Spider Games and FFVII R is from SE, both of which Sony doesn't own. And if you actually bought both games, you got the next gen upgrade for free.

So besides Spider-Man (which got a PS5 version 2 years later) and GoT, they've been good. TLOU 2 even released a PS5 performance patch and same with Ratchet and Clank PS4 getting a 60 fps PS5 patch after getting released for free back in March. And they even gave away a bunch of free games at the beginning of the year for everyone, like Horizon, Subnautica, the Witness, etc. Subscription cost? There are constant deals on PS+ all the time - got 3 years for $60 (normal price for a year) a few months ago and they normally have half price for a year around black friday (Xbox Gold was almost double the price at $60 for 6 months till user backlash made them walk back on it in January).

"Yes, they have the best games"

Which is why if you care about games you'd get the system. If you prefer to wait a while on empty promises (the cloud...) or wait for games (Halo Infinite was originally a launch title...), you can go elsewhere.

[Chexs1990]

They also do not want censorship and ridiculous consumer practices

[brewin]

This "Xbox doesnt have games" argument again?! Lol Xbox has PLENTY of games. If you dont have one, you wouldnt know! And not being ready?! really reaching there as just about everything on both consoles is cross gen right now. What is exclusive next gen ps5 only? Ratchet and Returnal (which is a very niche title). Then what? Even Demon Souls is a ps3 remake. Everything is cross gen right now and will be for the foreseeable future. Horizon, God of War, all the big PS5 exclusives are also on ps4. I blame the scalpers. Between them and the pandemic, it just make sense for Sony to put the games out on ps4 as well, to recoup some of the costs to develop.

[waverider]

The reality is that. Right now. Microsoft still didnt launch a single game. A single one. The excuse you can play on the PS4 doesnt work. Who cares. After watching HZD... Dude that excuse doesnt work. After playing Miles Morales on the PS5? After playing Demons soulds that excuse doest work. The reality is that the first new game from Microsoft will come with Forza at november... I dont know when Halo is coming.... Of course that i dont care about ports from PC games olds and new coming. The first Blockbuster is coming 9 november. Thats the reality. Unitl then ZERO. Thats almost one year later. The PS5 comes with a free exclusive...

[brewin]

@ Waverider

OK. Sure. There are still cross gen Xbox exclusives that were given new content, Hivebusters for example. And these upgrades their older games were given are very significant upgrades. But there are games, tons of them! There are also lots of indie games that just arent on PS at all, like the Wild at Heart. A great indie title that I had a blast with!

Hell, I had fully planned to buy The Show 21 for my PS5, but I held off cuz it was out day 1 on Gamepass. There are tons and tons of games available, only a true fanboy would say otherwise. We're talking games, I didnt say they had more 1st party stuff. And there are lots of them that are not available on Playstation at all. Sure several are, and I play a lot of third party stuff. Fact is, there are TONS of games on Xbox Series X, most of them significantly enhanced for the platform. Those are FACTS

[anast]

Thanks for setting this up, I love to bag on some MS Xbox...Every one loves 30 years of Halo and Forza...just get a PC if MS diehard fandom is necessary. Their exclusive content has been subpar for almost 2 decades. This is an objective fact. Even their release content has been non existent. Game Pass doesn't count. It's like saying I have a new car, but really it's just a shiny used car. This is another fact.

@Hivebuters is a blockbuster...it's niche too. Wild at Heart...Niche

[cd1]

I'm no fanboy and yes MS have games but you have missed a few PS5 exclusives off your list.

Returnal, Astrobot and Destruction allstars...I think.

[Moe-Gunz]

I have a series X and it doesn’t have games. There I said it.

[Robodrake]

"What is exclusive next gen ps5 only? Ratchet and Returnal (which is a very niche title). Then what? Even Demon Souls is a ps3 remake. Everything is cross gen right now and will be for"

Copy weak argument, paste. Copy, paste. Copy, paste.

Demons Souls, ratchet and returnal is a hell of a better effort than what MS has given. It's as simple as that. End of story.

[Jericho1337]

You should be a politician with the amount of deflecting you’re doing. And why do you talk as if exclusives are the only games that matter? Such narrow-mindedness.

[Jericho1337]

Wow if that’s how you generalise multiplatform games then you’re continually missing out on some absolute bangers. Enjoy living in your bubble then I suppose.

[z2g]

uh.... plenty of games coming, bruh. starting next month... and not only that, there are PLENTY of games on the series x, even if you don't include 3 generations of previous games supported and enhanced by xbox BC.

don't defend getting screwed. I have a ps5, compared to my series x its made a lot of missteps... sorry but true. anything from game pass being amazing in comparison to trying to upgrade games on the systems and save data. ps5 is a mess. they have some good first party, but even the current ps5 exclusives available wouldn't make me go buy a ps5 in retrospect. in fact I barely play my ps5. ratchet and clank was the only game that made me fire it up recently, and now thats done so I'm back on series x. Sony feels stuck in the ps4 gen while ms is looking to the future and now its got $70 exclusives on top of it while ms is offering all first party games for free on a gamepass subscription. even Sony's own game the Show was on game pass day one. All of EAs games, All of Bethesdas games, and so on....

[waverider]

Yes, just wait for the future, or the next e3, GDC, Gamepass. While Gamers that realy have a PS5 are playing next gen games from day one. Didnt wait 11 months to have the first one. Well if the Sony exclusives dont make you buy a console, you didnt get a Series X... Because it got none. Again, with the excuse price. I pay 70 for quality and amazing games. Like i did with the latest Returnal and Ratchet. Like i did with Miles Morales. They are mine. Not rented. Mine. I dont have time to play 100 games a week... because im not 10. I play the game i want. I got another idea. You could sell your PS5, because there are millions of players waiting to get one. You could wait for the trailer o GOW Ragnarok and put it on sale. The Gameplay trailer that is coming, because the game is coming next year...

[enkiduxiv]

"All of EAs games" lol

[b777conehead]

It’s operator error I have and most people have no trouble installing ps5 and game saved. You just don’t know what your doing

[Charlieboy333]

Sony feels stuck in the PS4 gen? MS is looking to the future? Quite some brain damage you have there considering Sony are the only ones to have provided next gen experiences while Microsoft are the ones that are more focused on letting you play all the old ass games from last gen and the one before with some extra frames via gamepass and back compat. That is literally Xbox's claim to fame right now! As for their future offerings all I see is a bunch of generic AA toss that doesn't interest anyone who has standards and the only first party that MAY 'potentially' make an impact still at least 2 years away....and I love how people mention MS first party games being on gamepass day one as some kind of advantage. Compared to the competition their first party is complete crap. Forgettable, by the numbers, soulless trash and Bethesda aint gonna change that.

[InUrFoxHole]

Objective. I do believe sony will get better as the gen continues.

[Notellin]

Agreed the PS5 is definitely struggling in the games department.

[roboteye]

Shit, didn't know Greedfall was the make or break game for PS.

[Chriswheeler22]

This is the final nail in coffin here

[Robodrake]

This is like, so huge guys

[Atticus_finch]

The final snail in the coffee.

[brewin]

Its definitely not, read the article. There are some valid points. You dont have to agree, but at least see that these little missteps could become an issue down the road. If youre a core gamer, it definitely wouldnt matter. The only thing a PS Plus game usually does for me is make it so I dont have to put my damn disc in cuz I almost always own the game that theyre giving away anyway! However, to the average person, this could easily be seen as greed, even if thats not how Sony is intending it.

Lets face facts, there is no reason that the PS Plus versions of PS Plus games CANT be upgraded to the PS5. Final Fantasy 7 and Greedfall both have free upgrades for the paid version. So essentially, Sony IS treating their PS Plus offerings as second rate to their paid conterparts. THAT is what the article is pointing out. That can be seen as a problem in the eyes of a consumer, whether you agree or not, thats a fact!

[Chevalier]

@Brewin

Explain Control on Xbox being locked behind the Ultimate edition whereas Playstation got that free on Plus. That's 2 titles for Playstation vs. 1 title on Xbox so where's the sensationalist article for Xbox being treated like as he puts it 'second class citizens' then?! So if 3 publishers all 3rd party have done this now why is ONLY Sony to blame!? Xbox gets a freepass? The writer and you are reaching illogical conclusions based on 3 games for both consoles and all those titles are from 3rd party partners. Going to gloss over the fact that Xbox Gold doesn't get mentioned even though it's comparable service whereas Gamepass gets mentioned for ZERO reason? Uhhh okay makes sense...... s/

[brewin]

@ Chevalier

Well the article is not about Xbox. And yeah there was no reason for that, but I purchased the ultimate edition for $10 so it didn't matter to me regardless. The PS plus things dont matter to me personally either as I own the games being talked about here.

Anyhow, is Xbox the market leader? No. PlayStation is and that is why people just tend to expect more and better from Sony. If they are the leader, they should be leading and not giving Microsoft the huge opportunity they are giving them. They are leaving it wide open for Microsoft to take some market share and Sony is, in some regards, converting back to their old ways of just expecting their supporters to be there regardless. Fact is, these little things ARE missteps that could cost them in the long run.

[anast]

I'm a fan boy, your writing looks like a jumble of vague symbols to me.

[Chevalier]

The titles are ALL 3rd party titles. That has NOTHING to do with Playstation. Playstation isn't going to mess up their relationship with 3rd party developers when they are active partners. That's just idiotic. Also the article should be about both and not single out Playstation since Xbox, Gamepass and a title mentioned for Xbox having the same issue are mentioned multiple times.

" didn't matter to me regardless"

Uhh.... okay? This is about everyone not just you. Lol. Just idiotic. No one cares about your personal situation. This is about gamers in general. As for this being a miss-step? Well if Xbox has the SAME issue then how can you call it a miss-step? Utterly terrible logic all round from the writer and its sad that anyone even believes this will be a miss-step for Playstation and not Xbox. Wow.

Playstation has no control over what a 3rd party developer wants to do they don't own them. They're partners. If Sony had that kind of power over their 3rd party developers you guys would ALL be talking about how Playstation is taking away the freedom of their partners and Xbox isn't. They literally can not win in this regard. Just how clueless do you have to be to not understand that?!

[brewin]

Well those same games have free upgrades on the series X. doesn't matter to the average consumer if Sony's the publisher or not. It's PS plus it's Sony service. To the average consumer that looks like Sony is the one being greedy, not the third party. Especially when those same third parties are giving the upgrades for free on the Xbox. It's just a bad look if you're the market leader act like it and lead the market. The only thing Sony's leading in market right now is the game prices.

And it's funny some of you want me to list the games I'm playing on Xbox, what?! Lol I have my gamertags right in my profile if you want to see what I'm playing go ahead and look I'm not going to sit here all day and list all the freaking games I've been playing.

Points in the article are valid whether you want to agree with them or not. To the average consumer this practice makes Sony look greedy. and even with the new stuff about ghost of tsushima directors cut coming out, that's pure greed!

It's not about the third party or who's putting the game out. It's about the platform. You have to admit getting an upgraded version of a PS4 game on the PS5 is kind of an issue. it should be automatic like smart delivery but it is not it's an extra step that you shouldn't have to do. If I get the PS4 and PS5 version of a game with my purchase why not give me the version that is best suited for the system I'm playing it on? It makes no sense and it's a limitation of Sonys setup obviously. Why else are they charging you $10 just to upgrade your PS4 copies to PS5 copies like with GoT?

[FGHFGHFGH]

well yeah that's why they are giving it with ps plus and not charging retail price for it. Do you expect it to be the same thing? It's hilarious that you guys are making an issue out of this, but if you compare the ps plus games with xbox gold games, GWG look like @ss

[brewin]

@ fgfgfgfgfg

Lol u keep shitting on XBL GwG and praising ps plus but the reality is they both have good months and bad months. And it's all subjective anyway, so trying to argue it as fact is laughable and part of the reason people look down on Fanboys. GwG and plus are the same damn thing lol. It's like arguing coke vs pepsi. This month ps plus is giving out a wwe game, another call of duty, and a walking simulator that was free on Xbox a year ago. Nothing special, but apparently that's your vibe

[Stanjara]

Dude there is no point...N4g- smooth brain

[ScootaKuH]

Yeah if greedfall fails then PS5 and indeed Sony as a company will be doomed. I also think the Western hemisphere will implode and a black hole will suck everything in, leaving only Xbox

[falconP]

Sony has had a next gen game most have been day 1 releases every single month with PS+ meanwhile Games with Gold has zero next gen games.

Typical media bias.

[buffig]

Exactly. I've got so much mileage out of PS+ already this gen. Control ultimate edition, Wreckfest, which I play every night with my mates, Plague Tale looks great and was in my backlog. All are next gen versions, all available on day of release. But yeah, I don't get the next gen update for Greedfall, I'm devasted. Subscription cancelled!!!!

[NeoGamer232]

You do realize that Control, Wreckfest, and Plague Tale are on XB GamePass? LOL.

Oh, and I played Plague Tale day one on game pass not a year later.

[Chevalier]

"You do realize that Control, Wreckfest, and Plague Tale are on XB GamePass? LOL."

And you DO realize that those won't be PERMANENTLY on Gamepass right? LOL
Also why are you comparing Gamepass instead of Gold to Plus? Seems kind of idiotic and disingenuous.

[NeoGamer232]

@Chevalier
Not sure I am concerned about how long they are available to me. That is subjective value. Owning something means nothing if you don't intend to go back to it. I own Donkey Kong for my Colecovision.... When was the last time I went back to it? Ummmmmmmmm. My Colecovision is sitting on a storage shelf in my basement and hasn't been turned on in over two decades when I saw if I could hook it up to a modern flat panel TV.

[Chevalier]

@Neo

Again why are YOU comparing Gamepass which is $180 a year to a $60 service?! It's just as idiotic and disingenuous as what the writer comparison. The writer doesn't even mention Xbox Live Gold ONCE. Last I checked Gold IS comparable to Plus. So explain that logic?!

You're reaching for the stars like this idiot writer. Permanent title or not YOU compare 2 completely different services and now you're talking about Coleco? The point is the services aren't comparable why is Gamepass even mentioned? For example you mention the upgrade for Gold like its the same? How? 1st of all Gamepass is a different service and 2nd that deal is ending so its literally irrelevant.

There are a whole TWO titles on Playstation and ONE on Xbox that has set the same precedent. So how come both you and the writer aren't up in arms for Xbox then? Oh right BOTH of you needlessly mentioned Gamepass though? So SONY is the problem and is Xbox isn't?! Even though both have the same issue?! Uhhh okay 👌. Again like I said, idiotic.

[rakentaja]

You have to compare it to GPU, because they cost roughly the same. At least non-US codes for PS+.

Don't forget that you can upgrade your Gold to GPU for 1 dollar and it's no more just GwG. It becomes Game Pass Ultimate.

Well then ... PS+ is a joke.

[rakentaja]

to bingbangbong:

Not true:
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Around $ 150 for 3y (3 x $ 50 + $ 1 to convert).

[rakentaja]

to bingbangbong:

The point is, you need to compare PS+ (3 games per month) to GPU (383 games currently), because they cost the same.

The PS+ doesn't even give you PS5 versions of games.

[cd1]

@rak

IIRC I got the PS5 versions of Destruction allstars and Oddworld soulstorm with PS+ and both at release too. Combine that with the PS+ collection that comes with PS5 and it ain't a bad deal as that also contains some games that were patched for PS5.

[akaFullMetal]

Who comes up with crap?

[Double_O_Revan]

"Journalists" who think they're being heroic.

[GhostofHorizon]

The only misstep was writing this article in my opinion.

[TriniOutsider]

We are going to be seeing a lot more of these articles. Just, to keep the fanboy/girls war going.

[iwin86]

Sony is not the publisher of Greedfall.

[Eonjay]

It literally doesn't matter. Just get the anti PS news out there lol. To hell with facts or reality.

[ElvisHuxley]

Lol...what?? Do they think gamers are stupid?

[justadelusion]

i dont see a problem with this at all. the game was free awhile ago and as is.

[Chevalier]

Sony doesn't even publish the game. Why isn't anyone asking why Focus Interactive is asking for money for their upgrade?

[neutralgamer1992]

And than we are told this site along with many others are run by PlayStation fans. Last few days the hottest story was indie developers complaining about Sony and now we have this.

One console maker is delivering again and again and the other has a service where you can play older games

The last of us 2
Ghost
Demon souls remake
Spiderman MM
Returnal
Ratchet and clank rift apart
FF7 DLC
Bugsnax

Upcoming

Death loop
Horizon
Kena
God of war
GT7
Tokyo ghostwire

But how dare they charge for upgrade fee

[Aloymetal]

Doom and gloom articles. How I loathe thee.
Sony, just continue what you've been doing since 1994. PlayStation is the most successful home console brand for a reason.

[BigMalk]

Stop commenting on these articles, and they'll disappear.

No fuel, no fire.

[falconP]

The article isn't just on this site. it's on gamesindustry.biz, and it's already been caught by things like Google News. Comments on this site have zero influence on the greater picture.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

Oh no , I need to pay $10 to upgrade my game with ray tracing and dualsense implementation…./s

I’m much more upset that the cost of Xbox live is doubling without being addressed by M$.

[brewin]

lol whut? XBL is not doubling in price. And this article is about PS Plus. Theyre saying that these little missteps can snowball into a bigger problem that is all. I think some people just get triggered anytime something anti- PS comes up. Thats why you have to drag Xbox into the convo. That has noting to do with this article and the PS Plus issues.

[MIDGETonSTILTS17]

Xbox Live missteps and PS missteps can be discussed in the same conversation?

And Gold IS doubling. I bought a year card from Best Buy, and it gave me 6 months of GAME PASS instead. I called to complain about the code not working properly, and they let me know that those cards aren’t what they are labeled anymore: because Gold costs $10/month now, no other price breaks.

I don’t see the paid PS5 upgrades as missteps. I’d rather pay $10 to have the game updated to use the dualsense’s adaptive triggers, vs just upgrade the resolution and frame rate caps for free. The $10 is worth it, and fair.

They need to program those new controllers before I can enjoy their benefits, and I’m fine with paying people for that work to be done for us. Why aren’t you?

[Stanjara]

Sony is in the wrong here and it needs to step up. PS Plus is a monthly subscription. You are not given anything for free there.

[arkard]

Sony doesn't make greedfall how is this Sony's fault?

[Stanjara]

I mean this is unbelievable. Instead that we hard core gamers, that follows this bullshit, stand together on this... No... Sony is magnificent! Let's throw out money at a screen.

Kojima directors cut, give us money
Ghost of directors cut give us money,
This bullshit Greed game give us money

N4g- i can't wait for Uncharted directors cut.

[arkard]

Again how is this Sony's fault?

[sourOG]

Lmao gameindustry.biz is kotaku level dramatic. Second class citizens? Weirdo… Sounds like the bitter cry of a journalist that hasn’t bought a game in years.

[Chevalier]

The writer makes a bunch of leaps and can't even keep his own logic consistent for his poorly written article and is completely reaching with his conclusions. Talk about a lack of logic on top of a badly written piece.

He suggests 2 titles are the issue FF VII intergrade and Greedfall and goes to blame Sony...... clearly knows they're third party as he even mentions that and that they are 3rd party games. So then it's a bit disingenuous that he doesn't mention FOCUS Interactive of Square Enix at fault?!! Weird how is SONY at fault for their 3rd party partners offerings?! (1st misstep)

Mentions how Xbox isn't perfect with Control by 505 Games not getting the ultimate edition whereas Plus members did. Okay so there's a THIRD 3rd party studio with another next gen version locked behind an 'ultimate/complete' edition. For the record that's 2 titles on Playstation vs 1 title on Xbox. Uhhhh..... so where's your Xbox article decrying their 'second class citizens' then Mr. Writer?! (2nd misstep)

And misstep 3 by the writer?! He brings up that Playstation and Sony don't know what kind of threat Gamepass is to them?! Wtf. First of all why is Gamepass and not Gold offerings being compared to Plus? It's beyond logical to suggest they're the same and yeah completely disingenuous for this writer to do it, but, there it is. But yeah writer you know the 'threat' but, Playstation do NOT?! Okay. Thanks for that leap in logic.

That's 3 strikes for the writer.

[sourOG]

Neither is at fault. If you bought the game you get a free upgrade because making you pay again (control) is slimey. Crying about second class citizenry because your ps plus version doesn’t get the upgrade is laughably pathetic. It’s not about logic it’s about getting clicks.

[jznrpg]

PS plus is really good . It’s not perfect and they aren’t going to give everything away for free as they are a business and so are the teams that make the games . If the Greedfall dev doesn’t want to give the PS5 version away for free that’s fine . They need to make money they are a smaller Dev . PS plus offers free games for PS4 and PS5 so I think you may want to look at it a bit deeper especially in comparison to other competitors and what they are offering.

[Highrevz]

It’s not just PS+ though is it? It’s the way Sony's infrastructure with the store and console is.

Combine this with every other slip up Sony is having this generation and it’s a pretty bad look for the company. There’s always going to be the fan boys defending everything but with the size of Sony it’s allowed them to become the new Nintendo and in some ways worse.

You care more about how many games Xbox hasn’t got rather then how good Sony could be treating you, that’s sad af.

[Chevalier]

Really?! Playstation has TWO titles that did this and Xbox has ONE as well. But its ONLY Sony's fault?! Where's the logic in that? So it's a slip up for Sony, but, NOT Xbox when BOTH have the issue?! Sorry seems the slip up is you and the writers logic. Why is ONLY Playstation mentioned as the issue when Xbox has the same issue? All the titles are in the article, but, its NOT a problem for Xbox? How so? Please explain that logic. Why is Gamepass brought up in the article and NOT Gold?

"You care more about how many games Xbox hasn’t got rather then how good Sony could be treating you, that’s sad af."

The sad af thing here is you suggest it's a Playstation problem like this writer but not an Xbox one. Sorry it's completely disingenuous and illogical. But yeah explain how it's sad it's a Playstation problem again with some context that it's also and Xbox problem? Only thing sad here is you trying to pit fans here and suggest it's ONLY a problem for one group and not the other when BOTH groups have the same issue. Seriously idiotic.

[Highrevz]

This is a FREE next gen update. If this was on games with gold then it wouldn’t cost anything for the next gen version. The article didn’t need to mention gamepass but it just so happens its on gamepass now. It’s a free next gen upgrade🤷‍♂️ Sony makes that difficult here.

This article is definitely taking a bash at Sony and rightfully so, if you don’t like this one then read any of the other articles about this drama.

Aside from paying for upgrades what about the save issues on multiple games, it’s unnecessarily complicated vs something you don’t even have to press a single button for on Xbox. You should be wanting better for yourself and others.

Don’t jump up and start screaming Xbox, ask why is Xbox doing something better then Sony, any Xbox fan would be asking the same if it was the other way round.

Sony has had an awful week despite there being some good news. I can’t believe you said that.

You people need to step back and look at your comments as someone that isn’t a fan, then try to understand how you are defending things that could be better.

All people see is an attack and that’s easily assumed with how hostile it is here but any positive one platform has over the other is a negative for that platform, it’s impossible to disagree with that without sounding like a shill.

[Petebloodyonion]

You love to spout your two title theories and it's not Sony fault when it's 100% Sony's fault
Let me ask you this How come I can't have the PS5 offering of the plage Tales for my PS4 since a Ps4 version exits?
The answer is simple, Sony paid money for the PS5 version of the game because, for Sony, the Ps4 and the Ps5 are 2 different games.
The same applies to the Ps4 offerings where Sony is paying for the PS4 version of the game and 2 distinctive versions exist.
That is different compared to MS because for them only 1 version of the game exists.

Now you are saying that MS did the same thing with Control which is completely false because they provided the basic version of Control and that versions offer 0 next-gen upgrades, only the Control Ultimate edition offers a next-gen update for Ps5,
And before you scream BS just letting you know that you can still buy the original Control game on the Ps store and even you if buy it today you will be lockout of the next-gen upgrade (it's even in the discount sales)
https://store.playstation.c...

And let me ask you this to further my point.
If you buy the ps5 version of a game(disk or digital) are you allowed to play via downgrade your purchase on a Ps4? (example I buy the Ps5 version of Assassin's creed Vahalla and I log with my account into my Ps4 Pro)

[Chevalier]

"You people need to step back and look at your comments as someone that isn’t a fan, then try to understand how you are defending things that could be better."

No you need to take a step back and actually understand the idiocy here. There are TWO titles on Playstation and ONE on Xbox with the SAME issue. All 3 titles are 3rd party developers. Sony does NOT own those publishers. They are free to run their games and businesses as they want. They are PARTNERS first. Sony had ZERO reason to overstep and tell a company they do NOT own how to run their business.

If Sony did do that the new narrative would be look at how Playstation being the biggest is overstepping and trying to make their PARTNERS do something they don't want at cost to themselves. It's literally a no win scenario. Sony can't and shouldn't have the ability to make 3rd party developers do ANYTHING

Greedfall is by Focus Interactive. Where in that do the words Playstation and Sony pop up? So again why is it Playstations fault their partnered 3rd party company needs to do this? You do also realize that Focus Interactive aren't exactly a huge publisher?

If you want to go further then why for example when say EA released It Takes Two it has a free upgrade to PS5, but, say my NHL 21 did NOT?

Again it comes down to the choice of the company. Because if it's NOT owned by Sony developers and IP then stop blaming Playstation. Bring it up with Square Enix, Focus and 505 Games

[Highrevz]

you referring to Control here ?
PS+ got the Ultimate edition of control added to the subscription. PS4 players who owned the game did not. This is different see?

If you own Greedfall on Xbox one the next gen update is free, regardless of having gamepass or not.

Control was a separate licence you had to claim for the PS+ Ps5 version, Smart Delivery eliminates this which is why greedfall is free and simple to upgrade. the saves are also seamless for every game.

Control was scummy for releasing the ultimate version behind a paywall on both platforms.

[Chevalier]

"If you own Greedfall on Xbox one the next gen update is free, regardless of having gamepass or not"

Seriously get your FACTS straight. The PS4 to PS5 update is FREE as well. If you got it on Plus you didn't PURCHASE the game so the upgrade is not free. Wtf are you even going on about?! You make it seem like the upgrade on PS4 to PS5 is different when it's demonstrably not. If you bought the game on PS4 the upgrade is FREE just like Xbox. So exactly wtf are you arguing? Just absolutely idiotic. But yeah let pretend the Playstation upgrade is NOT free?! 😆. You are absolutely clueless.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

"your “free” copy will continue to run in backwards compatibility mode without any of the new enhancements."

So you did NOT pay for the game and got it FREE on Plus then no you don't get the FREE update because you did NOT PURCHASE the game.

"Unfortunately, this free upgrade is only available to players who paid for the original Greedfall release."

So yeah if you PURCHASED the game on PS4 the upgrade to PS5 is FREE.

Get your FACTS straight. You are so wrong it's absolutely hilarious. Again wtf are you comparing Gamepass which is $180 a year to $60 Plus? Why not compare gold to Plus which are the similar service and the same cost? Oh right because you're entitled self would be wrong.

So again what?! You're stretching all over the place here. Literally reaching so far here you'll be Mr. Fantastic soon your reaching so far.

[Highrevz]

Jesus did you only just figure that out. It’s a FREE next gen update. Sony’s lack of smart delivery is the reason why Ps+ members are screwed here, thanks Sony👍

I can’t believe you only just realised that about your own platform after all the defending here.
So explain again how it’s ok for PS+ owners to be left out here

You avoided all of my points but that’s ok, I don’t reply here for you, it’s for the sensible people to read as they pass though.

Sit your shill ass down, you was wrong from the first comment you dropped. How tf did you only just do your research on this topic before trying to blindly defend it.

You even say this is a slip up on PlayStations side but still think control was a slip up on Xbox. You too dense to understand how and why smart delivery works.

I didn’t compare gamepass to PS+, the file types on Xbox are the same go educate your self on how Xbox works. Gamepass will always be the better deal but there’s no point trying to debate that here, you avoided everything else mentioned.

I’ts nice not to worry about silly little things like this, thanks Microsoft 👍

[Chevalier]

I know how Xbox Smart delivery works. You didn't PURCHASE the game when you got it FREE on Plus, so no you don't forget the update because you did NOT PURCHASE the game. So it literally had ZERO to do with Smart delivery

Again you're reaching like an idiot. Gamepass is NOT the same as getting it on Plus. You're whole argument is based on a completely different service so get your FACTS straight.

The upgrade for purchases is FREE for Xbox and Playstation fans who PURCHASED the game. On Plus you didn't PURCHASE the game. It was gifted to you.

@PeteOnion

DnD Dark Alliance just came out and if you get the PS5 version you also get the PS4 version.

Want to explain why if you get say Madden, NHL , NBA 2k, Call of Duty and most cross gen games don't also go both way then? It's up to the Publishers themselves not Sony or Playstation. If they had the power to tell their 3rd party developers and partners they had to do that again the argument then is that they would be over reaching wouldn't they? It's literally a no win scenario. None of you guys question the developers and IP owners and somehow it's Sonys fault? Lol. Greedfalls developer is a small company maybe they need the extra revenue. It's their IP and they're allowed to run their business like they want.

[Petebloodyonion]

" DnD Dark Alliance just came out and if you get the PS5 version you also get the PS4 version."
Hey it's just like you said.... You also get the Ps4 version like you have a second version.
And you failed to answer happen if you put a ps5 disc game in a PS4? can I play the game if it's available on PS4 like Dark alliance per instance? or at least allow me to download the PS4 version of the game?

And yes It's easy to explain regarding COD because on both systems there's 2 unique version of the games
On Sony you have the ps4 and Ps5 versions.
On Xbox you have the Xbox 1 only version and the smart delivery version that is allowed to play on any system.
Again put the Serie X version in a Xbox 1 and you will play Cod, put the Ps5 game in a ps4 and the disc is not recognized (there's your answer for the previous question by the way)

As for EA: https://www.ea.com/dual-ent...
and again the serie X disc do work on a Xbox1

[FlavorLav01]

Wow….what a stretch by the “author” here. 2 games not being the PS5 version and PS’s impending doom is on the Horizon. Lol. Play more games and shut-up…

[hangdang]

You just want shit for free lol

[Highrevz]

You just want to justify paying for stuff because your embarrassed your console didn’t do something other one did.

Wake up ppl 🙈 free is always appreciated

[Amplitude]

PS+ games requiring paid patches IS insane but that statement isn't quite far enough. PS+ game or not: paying for a patch in general is absolute bs. Ghost of Tsushima's ps5 patch being $10 is absurd. The thing is only a year old... Imagine if a PC game locked graphics settings behind a paywall?

But yeah Sony's subscription services have problems on PS5 and they really need to work them out. Paid patches, "only the ps4 version is free" (like Avengers on PS Now), "only the PS5 version is free" (like... well a bunch of the cross platform ps5 games on PS+ weekly), and then $10 patches. I god damn hate it and it feels like they're just begging for money after I already bought the console, a bunch of games, 4 controllers (even though I have enough PS4 controllers already and you can use them in Remote Play so they clearly COULD work), the charging dock and the camera (even though I already have a camera for the PSVR. Gotta have 2 cameras for no reason lol just dumb). Controllers and accessories I understand, but these paid game patches are a whole new entity entirely and I really hope nobody supports it - especially considering 90% of them ARE free

[Tetsdah]

@,Brewing

Saying "Xbox has no games" is not literally Xbox has no games. It is just Xbox still has no games from them that are of note, whether 1st or 2nd party. This has been ongoing trend towards the end of X1 and will be until hopefully the fall. The author acknowledges this is a critical year, yet doesn't acknowledge that consumers on a larger scale are gravitating to the platform with most games from them. It's not just about which system is providing me extra perks for "free" stuff

The plus upgrades is really down to dev, evidenced by Control Ultimate being on plus yet regular on GP. Wreckfest including getting the upgrade oneonth earlier. But for the others, I imagine they want you to have bought the game when it came out or buy the upgraded edition directly. That appears to be the bottom line.

[brewin]

Well the Microsoft published Xbox games are definitely coming. they've got a pretty stacked year and the next year I can only imagine is going to be insane. And that's the thing, with any new console release the platform holders are dependent on third parties. It just goes to show how strong the third party support is on Xbox the fact that they haven't had to do anything except upgrade their late gen Xbox titles, which many of them have been pretty significant upgrades. And they've been focusing on expanded content for those games like with hivebusters for example. These games Xbox does have out have gotten a lot of mileage from a lot of gamers. And like I said it just goes to show the strength of third party. The fact that Xbox is still hanging around like they are without having to put out a ton of stuff says a lot. They've been able to focus on making these games the best they are. They would have had Halo but people cried so they delayed. Isn't that the right thing to do?

[Tetsdah]

The delay wasn't bad, because it needed it. But they didn't really have anything for the end of X1. Playstation had a crazy final year and still managed a launch for ps5 and solid first year. MS's reasoning: they fully shifted to next gen development, yet we haven't seen the pay off.

Their E3 was numerous CG trailers or in engine. They didn't even show Halo campaign footage to wash out the taste of the 2020 demo. They didn't even show Starfield gameplay, just game cutscene. The game was announced in 2018.

Their other games have speculative roll outs next year that may not meet their dates. That's why the main judgment is now. Hopefully Halo makes Fall, but it is more or less Series X finally arrives this Fall. They all make that knock comparing it to the competition. Switch had strong 1st year. Playstation so far is having a strong first year.Series is playing catch up on games front.

Yes 3rd party supported both PS5 and Switch, but they offered their own games as well. Hell it looks like Sony may have more announcements targeting this year and next.

They really should have been the most prepared games wise for current gen, because x1.ended on a whimper

[SpineSaw]

Gamers are the absolute most entitled people on the planet always not just wanting a handout but expecting a handout. Its to the point its pathetic.

[Darkborn]

What do these paid journalists want me to do about it? Immediately destroy my ps5 and run to the store to get a series s or X? Like come on, this is not published by Sony and whatever deal they did is what happened. We also got wreckfrst and control ultimate edition on ps+. We also got some day 1 games like destruction all stars and bugsnax. When has GAMES WITH GOLD, which is the direct comparison to this gotten stuff like that for "free"? Gamepass is a more expensive service that is a rental for a few months. My ps+ games I've owned for years and all I gotta do is add them to my library and keep a sub or resub if it goes off to play the hundreds of ps+ games I have on there. Compare gamepass to PS Now if anything.

[northpaws]

I understand the problem but not sure how it can be solved.

Because technically they are not giving you the PS4 version for free, they are just letting you to access it as long as you are subscribed, so now, if they let you upgrade that version to PS5, then do you own it? Or do you still need PS Plus to access it? It would be f'ked up if you don't have access to it without PS Plus because you paid extra to upgrade it, but at the same time, they also can't let the upgrade to convert a free game (to keep people subscribed) to a completely version that people own 100% without subscribing to PS Plus, just doesn't make any business sense.

[FyBy]

Please dont cry again. Pay the price and play the game if you want.

[Mithan]

Slow news day. Need to make up stuff to post.

[codycoop2132]

M$ has artificial supply constraints. You are telling me one of the biggest wealthiest companies on the planet can't reach the same level as Sony. M$ is limiting the console to make it appear they are just as in demand has the PS5. You can find articles of people talking about series consoles sitting on shelfs and stay online for several hours before becoming sold out.

[zaherdab]

that is not a sony decision, if publishers were to be encouraged to make ps5 patches it would be to ship more and increase sales and tap into a new audience/ encourage ps5 owners to buy the game ... the ps4 audience is already established for many of these games and sales have winded down.

[chiefJohn117]

Exactly I been saying this. Sony been messing up lately and it's hurting their image. I knew I wasn't the only one that felt thus way.

[gold_drake]

what misstep?

psplus members got the game for free, i dont think the 15 quid upgrade fee is a dealbreaker.

[Magog]

It's a good month. Stop with the hysterics. You want to force indie devs to work for free?

[1nsomniac]

Sony are huge market leaders now. They have a big enough foothold & have their fanboys wrapped around their fingers so expect a lot of anti consumer practices this gen. followed by the snivelling grovelling of forgiveness by the little fanboys and girls.

[Saijahn]

The consumer image been taking a lot of hits but things can always turn around

[CrimsonWing69]

Not a fan of the “Director’s Cuts” either.

[Donjune]

There is a rumor that Playstation fan's have started a petition to have Kogima Sans agreement with Microsoft stopped. This can't be true?