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Epic Games Offered Sony $200M To Secure 4-6 First-Party Exclusives

In the ongoing court drama between Epic Games vs. Apple, new documents have emerged that suggest that Epic Games approached Sony for first-party exclusives.

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Vits1130d ago

Yeah, that is pretty low for 4-6 Sony games. Given that Gearbox got $140M for Boderlands 3 alone.

Jin_Sakai1130d ago (Edited 1130d ago )

I’m surprised Sony haven’t purchased Epic Games by now. They keep investing in them and spam the “what’s new” section with Fortnite stuff. That’s literally the first thing I see every time I turn on PS5.

Orchard1130d ago

Literally zero chance of that happening.

Epic games is at about 30bn in valuation, so about 1/4 of Sony’s (assuming they sold at market value, which they wouldn’t). And their Epic investments have been small compared to other companies with about 1%.

Heck I don’t think even Microsoft would spend 30bn+ on a gaming acquisition.

It’s more likely that Tencent buys them - they already own 40% of Epic.

Jin_Sakai1130d ago (Edited 1130d ago )

“Epic games is at about 30bn in valuation, so about 1/4 of Sony’s (assuming they sold at market value, which they wouldn’t).“

I said “by now” meaning in the past before Epic was worth as much as they are today.

“It’s more likely that Tencent buys them - they already own 40% of Epic.”

That’s all we need is Chinese owned Tencent gobbling them up.

Knightofelemia1130d ago (Edited 1130d ago )

@Jin_Sakai

I don't see Tencent coughing up their shares they own in Epic over to Sony that easily and I doubt Tim Sweeney will either. Only ways they might dump their shares is if Epic is bleeding money not turning a profit and out of desperation to recoup the losses is dump Epic to the highest bidder. Or is if Tencent had enough enough of video games and decided to invest else where and again dump their shares to the highest bidder. Or if Tim Sweeney had enough wanted to retire he would sell of his shares and most likely Tencent will absorb his shares and pay him out.

VenomUK1130d ago

I have to give credit to Ali Hader at Twisted Voxel for being first multiple times on disseminating the court documents in the Epic vs Apple case and putting them out into a story, good stuff.

King_Noctis1130d ago (Edited 1130d ago )

You think Sony has enough cash to purchase Epic? Think again. Epic buys Playstation (not the entire Sony) has a much, much higher chance of happening if Epic want to go that route.

neutralgamer19921130d ago (Edited 1130d ago )

King_Noctis

You can't be serious. Epic buying PlayStation? You do know PlayStation is bigger than epic and is bigger than Nintendo and Xbox. PlayStation generates more revenue, sells more software and makes a bigger profit than epic, Nintendo or Xbox. If epic wants to go that route haha like they can force Sony to sell PlayStation. I know you dislike PlayStation man but atleast stay in the realm of possibility

And why would Sony or anyone buy epic? What important IP's do they own? Buying studios is all about IP's. You think ms would pay 7.5 billion for Bethesda if they didn't have fallout and ES?

Vits1130d ago

I find it very unlikely that anyone could buy Epic. Not only because how valuable they are, but because of how divided the shares are. Sweeney is unlikely to sell his majority stake in the company and Tencent owns almost all the rest.

Though there are a shaking happening right now. Thanks to the Apple lawsuit and Tencent issues with the US government. And depending of the result. I could see a bigger fish gobbling a part of Epic. But my first bet would be Microsoft and not Sony.

dcbronco1130d ago

I believe if Epic was up for sale Microsoft would outbid Sony for it. Just to bring the Epic Store under Microsoft as well as Unreal engine. Microsoft would never let Sony outbid them. If you think they wanted iD tech, Unreal has huge market value. Its everywhere.

King_Noctis1130d ago (Edited 1130d ago )

@neturalgamer

“ You do know PlayStation is bigger than epic and is bigger than Nintendo and Xbox.”

You do know Nintendo worth $95 billion right? You know how much Playstation worth? $45 billion.

https://mddailyrecord.com/n...
https://mddailyrecord.com/p...

“ And why would Sony or anyone buy epic? What important IP's do they own?”

You do know that Fortnite made more than $9 billion in revenue in its first two years right? Which Playstation exclusive game made that much money in its first two years in the market?

https://www.theverge.com/20...

Ratty1130d ago

Buying out other companies isn't and shouldn't be the solution to everything.

Hell the company I worked for was bought out by a bigger one and in my experience it always sucks. The bigger company slowly sucks out everything that made the purchased company unique until it's cold, generic and bland like the bigger one.

IMO buyouts shouldn't be a thing.

HellspawnPR19811130d ago

I don't even know the numbers but I'm pretty sure they can't afford it.

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Army_of_Darkness1129d ago

@Jin_Sakai

What does Chinese or Japanese have to do with anything? you seriously think epic would be in better hands if they were bought by MS?? 🙄 Please....

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RosweeSon1130d ago

Yeah maybe per game 🤣😑✌🏻 They ain’t getting 4-6 for that money unless they wanted knack 1/2 😑🤣✌🏻

porkChop1130d ago

Borderlands 3 was a brand new game, that kind of deal costs a lot more. This offer was in regards to Sony porting existing first party exclusives to PC.

I'm not saying I think the offer is good or not.

Vits1130d ago

That could hold water for almost any publisher. But definitely not for Sony that treats all of their PC ports as brand new games with a full price tag to boot. So $200M for 4-6 ports is a completely unrealistic expectation from Epic even more if they were expecting a full year of exclusivity.

MightyHealthy1129d ago

Oh, thank you for clarifying now the title makes sense.

neutralgamer19921130d ago

King

And your point is what? 45 billion just got playstation. Sony's worth is 121 billion. And you do know the the popularity of FN has been going down last 4-6 months right? That's still one game but one huge game.

Your original statement was epic could buy PlayStation if they wanted to. Actually you said it has a big chance of happening. How they are worth 30+ billion? How can a company that's worth 30 billion force a company that's worth 4 times more than them to sell? If that statement is true than I guess epic can buy Xbox and Nintendo too right especially xbox since without ms money it wouldn't even survive

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ApocalypseShadow1130d ago (Edited 1130d ago )

*Epic wanted some Sony exclusives to help their store.

*Microsoft most likely were/are in talks to bring their games to Steam.

*There's no way Game Pass would be on Steam. That would cut into Valve's profits. That rumor sounds ridiculous. It's possible like the other offerings. But I wouldn't do it as a business.

Epic had definitely been busy. Funny thing is that it would be Tencent, a Chinese company, raking in the money by owning 40% of Epic. Just making that company bigger.

Epic should just stick with making game development easy for the gaming community. Especially with the impressive Meta Humans and UE5. All this other stuff they jumped into just makes them look desperate and shady at the same time. Not a good look.

TheColbertinator1130d ago

Game Pass on Steam would be a dream ticket for me.

Valve and Microsoft cutting deals to allow me to use Game Pass on their platform with a big selection of Steam games and not the super limited Microsoft Store. I'd buy 3 years full price if Microsoft and Steam collaborated on that level.

MadLad1129d ago

At that point I'd assume Valve would simply roll out their own service, honestly. There's been no news to show, but I'd be really surprised if it's not being thrown around internally already.

Petebloodyonion1130d ago

Why would Steam not allow Gamepass?
Like the argument that ppl don't buy Microsoft games because Gamepass has been debunked by Steam since MS games like Sea of Thieves, Halo, etc. are selling quite well on Steam at the current price despite being available on Gamepass on the same PC.
And I'm pretty sure that the average JOE who plays PC games on PC knows that you can buy a game from Epic games store, Windows, etc. and it will still play on the same PC
So yeah perhaps the PC version of Gamepass could happen and MS could give Valve some exclusivity of MS games in the VR space.

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Petebloodyonion1130d ago

So who’s been buying the Microsoft games on Steam like the millions of Sea of Thieves copies sold on the platform?

ApocalypseShadow1129d ago (Edited 1129d ago )

It's as Derek said and I implied, too many of you on Xbox say that game pass saves you money. How exactly? You know the answer. You don't have to buy games individually. If that came to Steam, individual sales would diminish leading into less profits. Unless Valve was cut in on those profits that Microsoft would be making. I don't know how much they get from uplay and EA access. But obviously they do being that they are being offered. I said above that it's possible because of those other services. But I wouldn't do it.

The Colbertinator is directly saying he'd jump on it in a heart beat. Meaning, he would save money by having games bundled in a service instead of buying games.

It cuts into sales. If all gamers were in a subscription service, the money made today would be less because it's shared and divided amongst developers. And because of that, some games wouldn't even be made because it wouldn't be profitable to make them. Not unless the service provider paid the full amount for development. It's unlikely that that would be the case for all developers.

So, it is not worth it to some developers. Do you see RE8 on game pass? No. It's not worth it to Capcom. Is Returnal on PS Now? No. It's not worth it to Sony. No company wants to lose money. Because it leads gamers into not buying new games. Just like streaming services have lead into less sales for DVD and Blu-ray. Look it up. It's "Common sense."

Why do we have to keep educating you guys to the truth?

1Victor1129d ago

“So yeah perhaps the PC version of Gamepass could happen and MS could give Valve some exclusivity of MS games in the VR space.”🤦🏿 🤯 🤪 hey Pete what alternate dimensions did you dropped from that Microsoft got games in the VR space.

Petebloodyonion1129d ago (Edited 1129d ago )

@Shadow
I'm grateful for your teaching since I love learning new stuff related to economics
Now I'm sure you will be able to explain in details the source of your truth cause it was sure not in the Costco success model that is often explained in marketing and sales courses (I copy some quick link to refresh your memory)
https://ethicsunwrapped.ute...
or watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Now just letting you know that a lot of this stuff is used by Sony, Steam, Amazon, Apple, and MS who basically are giving cheap stuff and making huge sales to have you spend more $ in the store than you would normally do (buying 4 games for 100$ instead of 1 at 60$).

Now I know that this example is pretty basic 101 and not as advance as your teaching from the lessons of your dreams but just please answer this simple question.
If 1 month of Gamepass is 1 item in the Steam inventory just as a 60$ game is 1 item (and both cost 0$ money to Steam since it's digital goods) then how does Steam is losing money if he succeeds in making you buy the same item 12 times vs the 1 game at 80$ during the year?

Bonus Question Why does Sony allow Free to play games, give you 2 games per month via PS+, gave 10 PS4 games for free (play at home), and gave 18 Ps4 in the PS+ collection when you bought a Ps5? surely this dumb move would prevent ppl from buying games at 70$ like Spider-man or Returnal since they already have so many games to play at the moment.

Ps, You have still not answered the question of Who bought the millions of Sea of thieves games sold at a premium price on Steam in the 1st month of Steam launch last year?
https://news.xbox.com/en-us...

@1Victor
Do they need to make a game in VR? how about playing game pass in a big Xbox Vr playroom?
Perhaps have some Steams VR games in a Gamepass catalog made for Steam
Epic was ready to make a game for Sony PSVR2 in exchange for allowing crossplay Does Epic have a VR headset?
And last I checked Minecraft Vr does exist on PSVR so again why would this be impossible?

jeromeface1128d ago

Steam is in the business of selling games, not renting them.

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gold_drake1130d ago

wow thats not alot actually. given they paid 140 mio. for borderlands 3.
im actually surprised by this.

FallenAngel19841130d ago

Bruh this courtcase is becoming more interesting than E3

gold_drake1130d ago

right?
i mean .. e3 hasnt been interesting in a while, but that depends on who u ask i guess.

badz1491129d ago

come on don't say THAT! MS was already banking on E3 this year and you just want to rain on their parade like that? so cruel LOL

Skuletor1130d ago

Cheapskates, just like the majority of Epic Games Store users that are just there for free games and free to play Fortnite

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The Xbox showcase brought the E3 magic

After having to prove itself for years, Xbox doubled down and pulled it off..

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GaboonViper20h ago

Yep Xbox absolutely knocked it out of the park with that stunning show, it was everything a gaming showcase should be, games games and games, well done team Xbox.

CrimsonWing695h ago

It really did. Like I came out of that with the hype for new games I haven’t felt since… well the better years of E3.

monkey6025h ago

It was without a doubt one of the better showcases in years. There was plenty there that excited me. Something has been lacking in years on all platforms

EasilyTheBest3h ago

It was an amazing showcase I loved everything about it. Can't wait to play some of those games.
What's going on. 4 comments & no negatives yet. Wow, what's going on with N4G.

ThinkThink2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Show was so good, it made me forget about that blue dragon rumor until the next day. Too many games to process.

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Sony Wishes Its State Of Play Was As Impressive As The Xbox Showcase

While the Sony State of Play had a critical lack of first-party titles and new stuff, Xbox came in hard and delivered one hell of an event.

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Goodguy0122h ago

SoPs usually are quite underwhelming. Xbox did a great job and hope Sony learns

Cacabunga11h ago

It was a great show, but still a multiplateform show. xbox needed to give a sign of life, and they did. Sony on the other hand showed some console exclusives..
State of play was light yes that’s clear, but Sony is still planning to deliver console exclusives.

romulus2311h ago(Edited 11h ago)

The following games from the showcase are multi-plat and also coming to PlayStation and there may be more so perhaps what Sony learned was to let MS spend the money on advertising games for them.

Assassin’s Creed Shadows
Atomfall
Call of Duty: Black Ops 6
Clair Obscur: Expeditions 33
DOOM: The Dark Ages
Dragon Age: The Veilguard
Fallout 76: Skyline Valley
Flintlock: The Siege of Dawn
Life Is Strange: Double Exposure
MechaBreak
Metal Gear Solid Delta: Snake Eater
Mixtape
Sea of Thieves: Season 13
WUCHANG: Fallen Feathers

Kayser819h ago

romulus23:
they are advertising GamePass which the none subscribers have to pay 70$ for it.

Hello_World8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Buyers on PS help make Gamepass games even more profit by paying retail price, while Xbox gamers get all on day one using subscription. Huge difference.

ocelot073h ago(Edited 3h ago)

@Hello_World

You just made it sound like real life. Playstation = Hard working people who have to pay taxes.

Xbox = Jobless bums who claim universal credit benifits rely on the working class people to pay taxes so they can get free money.

Hello_World3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

@ocelot7

PlayStation equals hard working people because Sony isn't able to provide a day one subscription model?

If you want to fork over $1,000 to play these games and believe that's a good idea, you can. But don't hold it against others that are provided multiple options to play all these games.

crazyCoconuts1h ago

GamePass isn't cheap on console... Xbox players are paying for it. And the more MS puts on GP the more they'll eventually have to raise the prices. It'll all work itself out in the end I think.

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blackblades8h ago

Sony been doing it before MS has for years, so they dont need to learn. If the time isnt right then the time isnt right.

-Foxtrot8h ago

I hope they learn aswell BUT looking at both sides at least Sony isn’t announcing games to show off again, and again, and again over a couple of years

While a good show there was a lot at Microsoft’s conference that were announced and shown off years ago. If Sony sticks to only showing off games when they are going to be released the same year then I kind of understand it but if they don’t then I’d be flabbergasted by it

thesoftware7306m ago(Edited 4m ago)

Fox,

Like Wolverine?

Like the now-canceled Factions?

Metroid prime 4?

It's hilarious that not showing games now is justified because it's not an imminent release.

1Victor7h ago

Let Sony do its thing when they drop the ball for gen and a half of duds shows then they’ll be even with Xbox and we should worry till then they earn it.
All that been said congratulations to Microsoft for finally doing the minimum of having good looking games coming soon took 100 billion to do it but hey gotta spend money to make money or so someone broke once said.

Mad_Matt47m ago

Its hilarious that the best a fanboy can do is provide a backhanded compliment. You console fanboys never fail to be entertaining. Sony, like MS is a company that provides products and services. Never should anyone say "till then they earn it" in regards to good will with its consumer base. This is how you get bad business practices. When Sony and MS dont provide value with its products, then they should be criticized. If they do provide it, then they are rewarded with your purchase. Any form of comradery past that is just shilling for a company for some sense of childish bragging. Unless you own stock in said companies, quit it. You make it way worse by being a fanboy. Corporations love blind sheep like yourself.

AsimLionheart6h ago

It was as much of a PlayStation Showcase as it was an Xbox Showcase. Most of the games they showed have been confirmed to be coming to PlayStation. Furthermore, even the ones they did not announce coming to Playstation yet are rumored to be coming to PlayStation in the near future. Sony will announce their first party games when the time is right. No point in announcing them 5 years in advance as MS did in 2020.

BehindTheRows1h ago

Sony releases good games. Xbox needs to learn from that.

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italiangamer21h ago

It's embarrassing how "professional videogaming journalism" has fallen off.
Article written by a 13 years old full of acne.

Rebel_Scum9h ago

Gotta start somewhere. Especially with computers and AI taking jobs from fast food joints and supermarkets which traditionally hire teens.

mastershredder56m ago

No, they get FREE help from grown ass adults who have their own limitations and bias and no understanding of what journalism is since they are trying to champion a topic by using basic connect the dot logic. Hence “high quality” article like this.

bunt-custardly2h ago

Problem isn't that really. It's @christopher for allowing such a clickbaity, console war encouraging, juvenile article in the first place on N4G.

isarai18h ago

I think people need to be aware that purpose of State of Play is updates on small scale and 3rd party games, their big scale showings are PlayStation Showcase.

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Stanlittle1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

June is for showing games been like that for 20+ years. Why Sony is just letting Xbox take all the spotlight makes no sense.

I think we may be witnessing the fall of PlayStation not because Xbox is good, but because PlayStation is focused on GAS and push to PC. Only fueled more now that Helldivers 2, a GAS that sold more on PC was a hit

Just look at the XBOX diversity in their console exclusive lineup

Gears 6 (cover shooter)
Perfect Dark (Mirrors Edge with guns)
Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 ( the most insane flight/ all of earth sim ever )
Indiana Jones (First person take on a slightly over used genre)
Avowed ( don't know much about it)
Doom: The Dark Ages ( just an all out FPS and my PlayStation needs more fps)
Fable ( RPG that has better graphics than Hellblade 2)
State of Decay 3 (Open World Zombie Survival Game)
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2 ( post apocalyptic 1st person suspense)

I mean all that for what? $10 a month on Game Pass is bananas.

anast1h ago

Those Xbox games are coming to PS5, why waste the money? Xbox advertised those games for Sony and Xbox gets to push Game Pass.

derek52m ago

@Isarai, What exclusive games has Microsoft released this year? Lol. Playstation released Stellar blade, Helldivers 2, rise of Ronin, FF7 rebirth etc etc and it's only June. You xbox fans always do this, you have something positive happen for your platform of choice and immediately you start running your mouth about what Playstation is or isn't doing in comparison. Leave it alone, take your W and be content.

isarai5m ago

" June is for showing games been like that for 20+ years. Why Sony is just letting Xbox take all the spotlight makes no sense "

I agree, but what im saying is the headline makes no sense as that's not the point in State of Play. Saying " they wish state of play was as good as Microsoft's showcase" is like saying " mcdonald's wishes their burgers were as good as a Michelin star restaurant's burger."

A proper statement would be " Playstation wishes they had a showcase to rival Xbox's"

MrBeatdown5m ago

"June is for showing games been like that for 20+ years."

June was for E3. E3 is dead and has been irrelevant for even longer, and there's a reason for that.

isarai4m ago

@derek

Bro, i have no clue what any of that has to do with what i said. Also i haven't been a fan of xbox since like 2009 🤣

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Terry_B11h ago

Approved this silly submission of an "opinion article" with the last 2 votes it needed to have a laugh at the upcoming comments.

Seriously, console war shit like this one should be banned from n4g.

Profchaos10h ago

I've noticed that console wait flame bait is the only thing getting approved lately with other articles taking a few days to show up after not getting approved

Terry_B10h ago

Aye. Usually I just use the "how submissions with most approvals" choice ..look what they are and approve. Wish we would have way more reviews here instead of opinion articles. So many of them are just bait.

dumahim2h ago

They get written, approved, and many comments because that's what draws attention. Want it to stop, get people to stop clicking and commenting.

OWCY6h ago

Ironic coming from you who have been a ps lover and xbox hater on this site since day 1

peppeaccardo11h ago

One one side a company that has brought real innovation in videos games with the first truly 3d graphics for mass entertainment, handheld devices, VR, great francises ... on the other side the Netflix of video games, and so .... who wants to be who? Let's stay focus and play some games kids.

DivineHand1252h ago

Rubbish. All 3 companies have brought innovation to the games industry. In fact, the Xbox 360 was so impactful that it shaped the feature set of gaming consoles to this day with Xbox Live, 3rd party apps, communication features, etc. Nintendo has always been innovative with recent additions being motion controls from the Wii and the portability of the Nintendo Switch. That led to devices like the steam deck, ROG, and the other nearly hundred handhelds.

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Why does Bushiroad keep killing off Love Live games?

Three Love Live mobile games have died in the past year despite the series’ ever-growing popularity both in Japan and worldwide, but why?

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