Spider-Man PS5 Debacle Shows Sony Is Out of Touch

You know you’ve done goofed when you’d get a better response by not doing anything at all. Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered, the PlayStation 5 re-release of 2018’s open world smash hit, has been handled atrociously by Sony – and it’s emblematic of a disastrous week for the Japanese giant, that’s seen it scramble from one communication mishap to another.

[lifeisgamesok]

Sony isn't out of touch. What I'm getting from it is that the remaster is more than just higher resolution, they improved the lighting, probably included raytracing and other improvements

I'm getting Miles Morales anyway so I'll gladly pay for the ultimate edition

[marcodias]

its much more than just that, while other games that give a free upgrade give you 4k 60 fps, ray tracing and less loading, spider-man offers much much more, even skin, eyes and hair get better, the upgrades are very noticeable and took much more time to make.
people are here like they dont let you play the game you bought back in 2018 on ps5, you can, its just it wont have all these updates that took weeks to make (much more time than simple resolution and fps bumps), yet people think themselves entitled to get it for free or sony bad.
https://twitter.com/insomni...
its 2 tweets

[AnnaDea]

The Witcher 3 wants to say hello.

All of that Spiderman has will we get for free and that even implies for Cyberpunk 2077 later on. We will get the "better" version at lunch and the more improved next-gen later on.

[sampsonon]

@AnnaDea: "The Witcher 3 wants to say hello."

The most overrated game ever made. What about it? You mean they finally made it look like a current gen game? That should be free. We are talking about Spider-Man.

[WillyC009]

@sampsonon

Seems like you haven’t played the Witcher 3 since you made that ridiculous claim. It still looks great even for a 2015 title. The blood & wine expansion looks even better then the base game as well.

[Marquinho]

I'm surprised of the huge amount of negative press Sony is getting even from Playstation dedicated websites. I truly believe Jim Ryan should be fired for the best.

From the article: "To be fair, it’s not full-price – it’s available for $69.99"

When trying to justify something makes it look even worse. 👆

[UnSelf]

Sampsonon

I’ve never witnessed such deep-throating

[Marquinho]

@sampsonon

"[The Witcher 3] The most overrated game ever made. What about it? You mean they finally made it look like a current gen game? That should be free. We are talking about Spider-Man."

You will have to do penance for the rest of the year for saying that.

[RaidenBlack]

@sampsonon
Witcher 3 is overrated?
"We are talking about Spider-Man"
Nah, bruv.
Spider-Man upgrade should not be locked behind Ultimate Edition.
Same thing Activsion did for CoD 4 Remaster. The resultant negativity forced them to release it separately.
And it's 2020, They could've pushed for a free upgrade. 505 Games was criticized for this.
And we haven't seen neither Control's nor Spider-Man's upgraded versions.

[morganfell]

In addition Spider-Man came out 2 years ago and the design was locked at least 3 years ago. This isn’t some game that was being made while the team had PS5 dev kits laying around.

If this was simply faster frames and some ray tracing and was given away for free then sites like pushsquare would be screaming they should’ve done something more with the game.

Pushsquare...wants high speed low drag next gen tech...doesn’t want to pay for it.

Say hello back to the Witcher 3 for me. And tell the Witcher when he is balancing a billion dollar company with multiple dev teams, 3rd party developers, two online services across multiple consoles, and a hardware business in a launch year no less then I will high five him and Dandelion both.

[shabz666]

@morganfell

Out of curiosity, according to you, Is 505 justified for the paid control ultimate edition upgrade as well?

[morganfell]

@shabz666,

Yes and no. The issue lies in two simple areas. What is the degree of improvement for Control? Is it just frames and ray tracing? I do not know so I am asking. I did not play the game nor do I own it.

My real issue with 505 is their claimed reasoning behind charging for the upgrade. Its not that there is a cost but rather their posted justification. Had they just said, "The upgrade will cost X amount of dollars" then that would have been the end of that part of the controversy. Instead they offered a technical reason that was blown out of the water as soon as they posted it. Frankly, they just lied about it. That's my issue. If the upgrade is minimal work then that would add to my disagreement with the charge as well.

Addendum. From what I had read the upgrades were minimal work. Taking that as accurate combined with unscrupulous behavior is reason enough for me to disagree.

[Petebloodyonion]

@Marcodias
Have you seen the remaster in action to make these claims?
Because it seem that nobody did except you and that are the meat and potatoes of the article.

[shabz666]

@morganfell,

Well essentially that is what 505 have said, The statement they put out basically boiled down to time and money constraints, they wouldn’t have been able to recoup time spent for said upgrades they made, they could not find a viable path for free upgrades for everyone based on their updates to next gen, however they haven’t detailed the types of improvements they have done. Assumption is ofc the same improved frame rates, maybe ray tracing and faster loads?

Insomniac has tweeted to have improved draw distance, traffic pedestrian density, better skin shaders ambient shadows and animations. performance upgrade haptic feedback from dual sense etc etc.

Between the 2 strategies what is common is that insomniac, like 505, have not showed any of these upgrades running, not shown what are the said visual differences between the old and the new but both have put out their price plan and preorders up online.

So I pose the question to you, are these 2 companies justified in this approach? Are they not similar? Insomniac could have just put a trailer out for the remaster to justify that $20 price. Could have saved themselves a lot of trouble. I suspect the upgrade is probably not even complete yet or the upgrade isn’t as shiny as a $20 bill. Sony is leveraging a lot of good will with this move.

Also you should play control. It’s really good. It’s the right amount of weird and frantic fun. Controls are a bit floaty though.

[morganfell]

I will respectfully disagree. 505 stated that a technical limitation was the reason that owners could not get the upgrade. They completely ignored how Microsoft does backwards compatibility for 360 titles via disc verification or record of digital ownership tied to an account.

No I do not think what the two publishers have chosen is justified for the same reason. And as I have stated countless times I do not have an issue paying for work. I am not an opponent of the price increase for games either. But as I remarked above the reasoning by 505 was more than questionable by my interpretation. Everyone sees this issue differently so you and I will simply have to agree to disagree.

[Petebloodyonion]

@Morganfell
Have you seen Spider-man or Control in action to mentioned the difference?
Heck did Remedy explained the benefits of the Ultimate edition aside Raytracing?

Now for me they are both dick moves because both of them lock the upgrade behind a paywall of a full game to have access to that upgrade instead of just charging that upgrade fee (that frankly would be free on PC).

And as for your Witcher3 comment well yes Witcher 3 and GOG Galaxy says hello.
Gog may not be Steams or Epic on Pc but its a notable Storefront knows for consumer friendly practices (making sure that games has no DRM and were the 1st to offer money back on digital sales).

And guess who are the owners?

[morganfell]

I do not have to guess who are the owners I have a gog account. Being a publisher on a store isn’t the same thing as being responsible in a company sense for your own development teams. Thanks for ignoring the other points I raised. Yes I read what 505 said. It doesn’t excuse their remarks. It’s this simple. I am not going to agree with you that the situation between 505, the Witcher and Sony are similar. End of story. I just do not see it that way, period. When gog launches their console I may order one.

[morganfell]

"I'm surprised of the huge amount of negative press Sony is getting even from Playstation dedicated websites. I truly believe Jim Ryan should be fired for the best.

From the article: "To be fair, it’s not full-price – it’s available for $69.99"

When trying to justify something makes it look even worse. "

Yet Phil is the greatest guy ever...

This entire article is good for a laugh. pushsquare publishes this: https://n4g.com/news/237453...

Yet they have a conniption over the Spider-Man charge. From where do they believe money will come to purchase these studios? The same gamers from Redmond attacking Sony for this are the same ones that ignore the Bethesda money, gamepass money etc etc didn't come from the Xbox division.

[WelkinCole]

@AnnaDea. So because red does it for Witcher it means that everyone is entitled for free upgrades for every other games?

[jznrpg]

@AnnaDea Witcher 3 is free upgrade for next gen???

[bouzebbal]

Then buy an xbox and give us a break..
Nintendo isn't out of touch with no wii u game on switch upgrade for free? If we call it an upgrade..

PS5 without these morons will be great 👌🏽

[gravedigger]

James Stevenson, Insomniac developer on Resetera :

https://www.resetera.com/th...

"Just to be clear too - this is far more than an increase in resolution/framerate and tagging surfaces for ray-tracing. We have put a significant amount of work and effort into the Remaster. From my blog on the matter:

"The remaster for the PS5 is no simple up-res, as many of the game’s art assets have been completely updated to take advantage of the PS5 console’s horsepower. You’ll see better-looking characters with improved skin, eyes, hair, and facial animation (including our new, next-generation Peter Parker). You’ll also see ray-traced reflections and ambient shadows, improved lighting, more pedestrians and vehicles stretching further into the distance, and the same optional performance mode offered on Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales, allowing you to finally play the game at a targeted 60fps frame rate. We’ll be supporting near-instant loading, 3D audio, and the DualSense controller’s haptic feedback. Lastly we’re adding three amazing new Spider-Man suits, new photo mode features, and even new trophies for those of you looking to Platinum the game all over again."

It's not just ordinary backward compatibility remaster like Gears 5 with upgraded resolution fps and added ray tracing because horsepower of XSX can provide that obviously and automatically ( well, FH3 on XSX is just 4k/30 ). Does Gears 5 will has a new achievements trophies, more enemies on screen, more vehicles on XSX? Nope.

[morganfell]

According to Insomniac, the upgrade over which people are throwing themselves off a cliff, is free: https://twitter.com/insomni... Goes to show you how out of touch Forbes in on this matter.

[RpgSama]

It's one thing to offer an update of a newly released game, that people would just wait to buy for next gen if they don't offer the free upgrade upfront and another it's a REMASTER of an already released game.

70$ it's the same price as what the new Nba2k will cost, for 70$ we are getting BOTH Spiderman Miles Morales AND the Original Spiderman REMASTERED with ALL of the DLC, that's crazy value for me.

[FanboySpotter]

It's called remaster like spiderman ps4 came out 10 years ago when it could've just gotten a free ps5 version update. We got many remasters because most games were from a different architecture.. no excuse for this one it's been the same x86 architecture an update is all it could've had.

[crazyCoconuts]

@fanboy I don't even know how you rationalize your x86 comment. If that's all you think a remaster is then why complain? You'll be able to play your x86 PS4 Spiderman game on your x86 PS5 without paying a cent extra. Happy now?

[fr0sty]

It's amazing how entitled people feel these days. I used to pay $70 for a Genesis cartridge I could have programmed and created the artwork and music by myself in a matter of months these days.

[FanboySpotter]

@crazycoconuts why is cyberpunk most other games free upgrade and not spiderman then? 🤔 let's see what you got for it

[badz149]

@FanboySpotter

where did Sony say in your 2018 purchase of Spider-man that every single buyer will be entitled for a free PS5 upgrade? I get it that getting free stuff is great and all but it comes down to business. and now you're bringing up Cyberpunk but totally forgetting that it hasn't come out yet. sure they also announced Witcher 3 free next gen upgrades but I think it's all thanks to the PC version of that game, the "next-gen" version for it was already "done" all along. it's more about cranking up the settings and release it as next-gen. Spider-man has no such version as the Pro version is that game at its best. thus it's called a REMASTER.

it's incredibly easy to troll Sony in this matter but their games were not released on PC for them to easily port a higher setting ports as next-gen version. Horizon ZD has that privilege now and there's no announcement for that yet. Maybe they will offer a free upgrade when the sequel comes later, who knows.

[SpadeX]

The least they could've done is charge a small upgrade fee for those who already bought the game with all DLC. There are several other games that will include the same enhancements but offer free upgrades. Gears 5, Witcher 3, Cyberpunk and I could be missing more. Why is this different?

[TheScotsman]

Only M$ is out of touch, I've pre ordered a series X but am yet to know what if any games I'll be playing as I've seen nothing on it bar a gears 5 patch shown months ago.
7,5 billion on games companies and still NO Fecking Games. And here we are complaining about paying for a PS5 game that we've actually seen on action? Hello

[JackBNimble]

For one this is about sony not MS, and secondly, if you're so upset about the series x and next gen games, then why are you buying day one?

[NeoGamer232]

Sony is a company just like any other. Companies are driven by stock prices and stock prices are driven by making money. All Sony is doing here is taking advantage of their user loyalty to make money. As gamers we need to watch and call them out on what they do. No matter which company it is.

Insomniac stated:
"Many art assets have been updated to take advantage of the PS5 console’s horsepower. Better-looking characters w/ improved skin, eyes, hair, and facial animation Ray-traced reflections and ambient shadows, improved lighting, more pedestrians and vehicles stretching into distance"

These changes are not rocket science. Modern development tools for art can do this stuff really quickly. There is no need to charge gamers as if it is a new game. In fact the art assets may have been created earlier and then downgraded when they first started to run the game because they were too complex for PS4. Ray Tracing is more or less a switch. This was proven in Gears 5 and Minecraft demos on ray tracing where they said, it was simple and did not take the teams long at all. Lighting changes are simply someone moving where the light source for the scene is and playing with sliders. Drawing more in a distance is just telling the engine to put more, farther out there.

If they would've said stuff like tightened the controls, improved the controls, added an extra level of difficulty, enclosed a lot of DLC, or even said they improved errors in the game engine they would've had my vote for a bargain bin buy. All they are doing here is taking advantage of loyal fans that will buy it no matter how little the change is.

[CS7]

Please stop with the stupid fanboyism. All I have ever owned is Playstation consoles and even I can see Sony is really arrogant heading into this gen.

You defending them is only going to make them worse.

MANY other games have announced free upgrades. CDPR, MS, and manyyy other developers announced upgrade paths.

I don’t care to play spiderman again but you gotta admit Sony is no longer operating like a pro-consumer market leader.

Yes game devs need to be paid... But how is it that Sony aligns themselves with the most sleezy upgrade path with practices similar to Activision rather than CDPR?

And its not only the updates:
- Lying about “believing in generations” then doing what xbox did
- Lying about announcing preorders “long” before they begin. Then announcing it via a tweet and consoles sell out without the same day as the tweet.

Just admit Sony is starting this gen terribly from a communication to fans standpoint. Holding them accountable would only mean better stuff for YOU.

[King_Noctis]

This just goes to show that Microsoft handle this issue way better with their free Smart Delivery program.

[ClayRules2012]

@Sampson
The most overrated game ever made. What about it? You mean they finally made it look like a current gen game? That should be free. We are talking about Spider-Man.”

I completely disagree with TW3 being the most overrated game ever made. I knew nothing about the series going into the game, and yet, the TW3 held its own and is one of the best gaming experiences I’ve had not just this generation but of all time. Of course, all just my opinion, and I could list so many different reasons why I loved it, but at the end of the day, based on how you reacted with how it’s the most overrated game ever made, I’d probably be wasting my time. And for a game that came out in 2015, it still looks darn beautiful and great overall today.

Anyways, I look forward to Spider-Man:MM/along with the Remastered 2018 Spider-Man game on PS5.

[Sophisticated_Chap]

Sony is glad to have foolish people like you on their side.

[BrettAwesome]

You again. The fuckwit who's neither a "chap" or sophisticated. Probably not even british.

[umair_s51]

Yea ill pass. I don't have a lot of money to through around.

[Nintentional]

as long as the puddles are improved, that's all I care about 🤷🏻‍♂️

[TheEroica]

Lol... They know you'll gladly pay. That's the point.

I giggled a little at, "they improved lighting and probably included raytracing and other improvements..." lol

[ArchangelMike]

Mole hill =/= Mountain

[crazyCoconuts]

Right "debacle" shows the entire company is out of touch. If people don't think it's worth it, they won't buy it and you'll have a Spiderman sale to right size the price. No big deal.

[GottaBjimmyb]

I will say, I think it is a bit funny to see the responses here compared to, let's say, control where many of the same people were talking about how it was terrible then, not saying "but they put time into this, of course they have to charge."

[crazyCoconuts]

@gotta you've got a better memory than me - i can't keep tabs on different people's individual positions on all of this stuff lol

[Extermin8or3_]

@gottabjimmyb the issue with control is completely different it is just an upres and higher frame rate and some ray tracing (basically pc ultra settings from what I understand). Their reasoning behind why they couldn't just patch the current version or at least allow people who have main game and both dlcs upgrade is BS .

[MrBeatdown]

Control ultimate edition is also $40.

Spider-Man is $20 extra. The GOTY edition on PS4 isn't even that cheap yet.

[Rude-ro]

What I love is all the misinformation coming from the “gaming” media to help create debacles... then write articles about the debacles.

[Saigon]

I think the part that some are missing is that they can still play the PS4 spiderman on the PS5 if they already purchased it; yes it will be smooth out and some functions will work better but it won't be the enhanced edition. The enhanced edition, from what I hear is close to a complete remake of the game. Maybe I am missing something.

To me I look at it like this, how many times do we see Movie companies and such release a newer version of an old movie, enhanced, and its either in the Movie theater, physical media or even digital now and they are sold at the current market price of current medias. Is that Anti Consumer as well?

[criticalkare]

They are giving you miles morales for free.... what more do you want....

[LegoIsAwesome]

"what more do you want...."

For Sony to stop acting like MS and stop porting 1st party games to PC.

If that Bloodborne Remastered PS5 and PC is true, then gg Sony.

[ShadowWolf712]

"If I can play this 6-year-old game on PC then GG"

lol ok

[LegoIsAwesome]

Oh look, PC port beggar race pressing dislikes.

I guess your petition from 2014 finally got noticed huh guys?

[Extermin8or3_]

Mummy I highly foist that rumour is true. Notice spiderman isn't in ps plus collection and bloodborne is.

[chaos999]

Guys. Would you work for free? Come on..

[Kakashi Hatake]

I guess people expect high quality games at gamepass prices. Just because MS likes blowing money doesn't mean others want to.

[FanboySpotter]

Do you actually believe devs only get paid for game releases? Why is cyberpunk free upgrade(from indie dev btw) but not spiderman(from a first party studio with bigger budget access than cyberpunk)?

[yomfweeee]

Cyberpunk was not released in 2018. See the difference?

[zackeroniii]

the same people that are making a fuss are the same exact people who said they wouldn't mind paying $70 for a video game. i thought these guys supported the price hike. i guess not so much now. yes the game was already released but it doesn't matter because, once again, these same people supported a $70 price tag.

oh my are they getting a nice bite in the ass right now. stay consistent guys don't pick and choose. and they ARE building the game specifically for ps5 again sooooo....???

[King_Noctis]

It is one thing if every company charge for next gen upgrade. But clearly this is not the case. Microsoft, Ubisoft, CDPR, and some others don’t charge you for that.

“ Cyberpunk was not released in 2018. See the difference?”

The Witcher 3 was released way back in 2015 and still will get a free next gen upgrade.

[King_Noctis]

“ Spider-Man is obviously a special case“

What make Spiderman a more special case than games like Cyberpunk and The Witcher 3?

[ziggurcat]

"What make Spiderman a more special case than games like Cyberpunk and The Witcher 3?"

One is a full remaster that adds all of the bells, and whistles afforded by the new HW, the other two are simple frame rate, resolution, and possibly texture bumps.

[King_Noctis]

“ One is a full remaster that adds all of the bells, and whistles afforded by the new HW”

And those new “bells and whistle” are also frame rate, resolution, and possibly texture bumps too aren’t they? Or are we missing something here?

[Petebloodyonion]

The problem isn't about working for free or charging for an upgrade the problem lies on 2 fronts.

1) Why lock the upgrade behind the paywall of a complete different game?
Heck Sony even acknowledge that if you buy Miles Morales on Ps4, you can buy the remaster upgrade for a 20$ So why owner of the current game (with DLC) can't have that option?

2) What message does it send to Loyalist who bought the game day 1, at premium price and made Spiderman a successful game? Next time don't buy our game and wait until we sell you the complete edition with bell and whistles?

[yomfweeee]

So if you bought SM Day 1 on PS4. You are owed the Remastered Ultimate Edition on PS5 for free? Riiiight. That's not a loyalist. That's a greedy gamer.

[ILostMyMind]

It is not for free. Everyone that have Spiderman paid for it.

[ocelot07]

Not to fussed of them not offering a free upgrade for the original. However locking it behind a ultimate edition and not selling it as standalone is silly.

[Chriswheeler22]

What? You can't buy just Spiderman remastered?

[--Onilink--]

No, only if you buy standalone Miles Morales will you have the privilege of paying another $20 to purchase the remaster (at which point you are just paying the $70 of the ultimate edition).

If you dont own MM, they dont allow you to purchase the upgrade

[ShadowWolf712]

Ah yes, for the gamer that REALLY wants to skip that sequel.

Honestly, I'd think it'd be even sillier to sell it separately as they'd still get called anti-consumer for charging. At least bundling it in a "two games for the price of one" deal shows the value.

[ShadowWolf712]

So pop in the disc you already have and play.

[waverider]

Damn, the money being spent to damage its getting crazy....

[Chris12]

Another of your conspiracy theories?

[Father__Merrin]

Utter rubbish let's wait till the consoles release and let things settle after Xmas. We can guage then if Sony are out of touch or not. Keep up running your mouths FUD pushsquare satanists!!!

[VersusDMC]

I can see why some people would be disappointed...but in a world of wiiU ports and super Mario collection at 60 it is reasonable for a 20 dollar charge for the remaster.And you can probably get 10 dollars trade at GameStop or more reselling your PS4 copy...so extreme overreaction.

[--Onilink--]

You cannot actually buy that $20 upgrade unless you own Miles Morales though, effectively forcing people to spend $70, not $20

[VersusDMC]

I guess the question is...are you really a fan of spider man if you get a PS5 and DON'T want to get the miles morales game? If all you wanted was super mario galaxy from the collection are you just paying 60 dollars for one Wii port?

You have the option of just playing the PS4 version by the way...you still have the game.

[JackBNimble]

Versusdmc
I've been a spiderman fan since the mid 70's and I can honestly say I want nothing to do with a Miles Morales game.

[ziggurcat]

I had no idea people were forced to pay $70 if they weren't needing/wanting to play the PS5 remaster of Spider-Man.

Your logic is broken - you're not paying $70 for Spider-Man, you're paying $50 for MM, and only $20 for the Spider-Man remaster, which is different than a simple upgrade that you're going to get with, say Valhalla, Cyberpunk, etc... Those aren't full-on remasters, they're FPS/resolution/texture bumps.

@nordis:

"Should never have to buy a sequel to play the original on PS5 tech."

You don't need to buy MM to play the original, though. If you own the original game already, it can play on your PS5 just fine, and it still comes with some enhancements.

[mkis007]

My god this is spot on!

[sourOG]

Lmao. Overblown if you ask me. If you care that much buy the ultimate edition of miles....

[ARESWARLORD]

Basically Sony this Gen reminds me of the old proverb

you can die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

There's definitely an insane amount of corporate greed running through Sony at this point.

[MrBeatdown]

$20 remaster included in fancy version of $50 next-gen game...

"Insane amount of corporate greed"

Sure, buddy.

[morganfell]

“Basically Sony this Gen reminds me of the old proverb

You can die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain”

Not an old proverb and neither is it applicable.

[IRetrouk]

Wasn't a problem when we payed for the gears collection and the halo collection nothing at all was said about that? isn't the same type of work being put into spiderman that was put into those games?
I happily bought those this gen and will happily pay for an upgraded spiderman any day, if ya don't wanna then just play your ps4 copy, its still bc.

[G4M3R_4_L1F3]

GEARS remaster was about 10 years after the original game
also halo remasters was only for halo 1 and 2 which were over 10 years old for the master chief collection

[IRetrouk]

What does that change? Did I not already pay for them? Has the extra work been done to spiderman like those games?
If yes, whats the issue?

[ziggurcat]

"GEARS remaster was about 10 years after the original game
also halo remasters was only for halo 1 and 2 which were over 10 years old for the master chief collection"

Ok, but why didn't MS just give that remaster/remake to their customers who originally bought the game 10 years ago for free?

I don't recall seeing anyone call MS out for being anti-consumer in either of those cases.

[arkard]

Stop they can only move the goalposts so far

[G4M3R_4_L1F3]

the issue is multiple game developers are offering these type of upgrades for free now at the time of the gears remaster and halo mcc free upgrades was unheard of

[ziggurcat]

@G4M3R

No. Multiple developers are offering exactly what you'd get for simply popping in your PS4 copy of Spider-Man into your PS5.

Those multiple developers aren't making full remasters for their games.

[FlavorLav01]

I don’t think they’re out of touch, I think they’ve put extra hard work into the remaster adding upgrades and it’s not a simple port up. You shouldn’t feel slighted or entitled to an upgrade to something you bought and enjoyed more than 2 years ago now. If you want the remaster get it, if not I’m sure PS5 will still apply boosted performance to the original without repurchasing the game. It’s really not that big a deal.

[Saijahn]

People really defending this ...they're double tapping your pockets for turning on a few extra settings...

[ShadowWolf712]

I wasn't aware that replacing entire lines of physics code and swapping out literal character models (not textures, MODELS) was something one could toggle in settings.

[ziggurcat]

A remaster isn't just "turning on a few extra settings..."

[vivid83]

When were remasters given away for free?

[Petebloodyonion]

Actually Skyrim Special edition on pc was given for free for owner of the base game +DLC because PC player don't expect to pays for features that single modders do for free has hobby.
Console players did had to Re-buy Skyrim special edition at full 60$ because console players worship the idea of paying again for the same product.

We can also seem the same in VR patches that are given for free on PC and sold on PSVR.

[ShadowWolf712]

Name one VR "Patch" that was SOLD on PSVR.

[Petebloodyonion]

Dirt Rally
Kona

that's the one I had to buy

[TranceHop]

https://twitter.com/cyberpu...

[IRetrouk]

Thats for both next gen consoles though.

https://www.gamesradar.com/...

[TranceHop]

@IRetrouk I already know that. Sony is forcing you to purchase the same game twice

[IRetrouk]

Are they? I've still got my copy...pretty sure its bc, but If I want the better version I'll have to buy the limited edition of mm to get it, is it forced if you want it?

[ziggurcat]

"@IRetrouk I already know that. Sony is forcing you to purchase the same game twice"

No they're not. Putting the PS4 disc into your PS5 will do the same thing as what CDPR is doing for Cyberpunk because the PS5 upgrade for that game isn't a complete remaster like the one included in the UE of Miles Morales.

[Bathyj]

Amazing people will buy collectors editions to get a free costume or horse amour but they're complaining about getting a fully remastered AAA game.

[Germaximus]

Headlines and stories like this are just from entitled crybabies.

[Sonyslave3]

So 505games and remedy get crucified but sony get a pass lol

[Lighter9]

The puddles. We need to think about the puddles.

[Adnanilyas21]

Chad Warden - Sony always wins baby

[CrimsonWing69]

Good god can we just have new games and keep old games updated through backwards compatibility without having to buy them again? I swear it’s like you might as well as skip a gen and just play these better versions of old games on a next-gen console.

[RgR]

It might already be backwards compatible. The issue here is the expectation of older titles getting a free upgrade...
If that's the new expectation then the majority of remasters should be free.

[CrimsonWing69]

That’s the thing. It seems so odd for Remasters this gen when we could just download a patch for the game and play it through backwards compatibility.

[ShadowWolf712]

You can literally play the original version via backwards compatibility.

[RgR]

The progression of time does not change what is acceptable by default.

If something was okay years ago it may still be okay today.

Progression isn't always a vertical line up. Some things should stay the same.

But I dont disagree with you entirely. It's true it could just be a patch.

[RgR]

Well ...are we all getting next gen versions of all triple A released in 2018?

[FyBy]

TOP 100 PS4 games will be "upgraded" for PS5. PS4 spiderman will run on PS5, maybe it will have higher frame rate (its in TOP 100). But Spiderman PS5 is remaster and I understand, it will cost something.

I understand it like Spiderman ultimate is for new PS players or for people, which didnt play spiderman on ps4.

But on the other hand, it would be nice, if Sony made some discount for current spiderman ps4 owners (like me).

[thornh]

Oh just stop already with the out of touch BS. Spider-man is a remaster not an upgrade.

[Battlestar23]

Sony should offer all their 1st party titles for free and add them to gamepass as an apology.

[NealGamby]

I never played Spider-Man on PS4. So the Ultimate edition is a no brainier for me. I’m excited.

My friend already owns Spider-Man on PS4. But you know what he did? He took advantage of extra trade in credit going on at GameStop right now. And put it toward the Ultimate edition. Basically, he got the PS5 remaster for free. Stop complaining and use your brain, if you already have it on PS4.

[--Onilink--]

He got $70 worth of credit from returning just the original game?... at gamestop?...

[NealGamby]

No, of course not. He got enough to cover the extra $20 that the Ultimate edition costs. So, it was like Spider-man 1 remaster was free.

[ziggurcat]

I've played Spider-Man already, so I have no need for a remastered version since I don't intend on playing through it again. I'll just be getting the regular version of MM because that's better suited to my needs.

[glenn1979]

One word
GREED🤷‍♂️

[RaiderNation]

I have absolutely no problem with being charged for this. What I have a problem with is the fact that Sony won't make it available separate from Miles Mirales. I don't get that at all. Why won't Sony just sell it separately for 19.99? That makes no sense to me.

[Elda]

After all the fuss it may happen after the MM release.

[WillyC009]

I don’t actually understand the outrage of this one. I can put my PS4 Spider Man disc into my PS5 and it’ll play. So what’s the issue?

[thornh]

Sony is the bad guy since the MS Bethesda deal for some reason. The gaming press always needs to have a bad guy. It's as if the WWE writers moonlight as gaming journalists.

[ziggurcat]

The problem is they're not giving you something the devs spent a lot of time, and money on for free. The problem is also these same entitled brats don't understand that you still get some enhancements (the same ones you get if you pop in an X360 game into your Xbox One X) by playing the PS4 version of Spider-Man on your PS5 because they've allowed for backwards compatibility on 99% of PS4 titles.

[yomfweeee]

Another Sony hit piece. Disastrous week, riiiight.

[TheLigX]

I'm a huge Sony fan, and I'll say that this is truly screwed up of them.

[thesoftware730]

Ok, While I agree its a goof, can we move on now lol. one of the top article is about the same thing.

What we need is a gameplay/update blowout on the actual games for both systems, both sides are hardly showing shit. This new gen leading up to launch has been more about specs, services, controllers, HDD and features more than games...We haven't even see fleshed out UI yet.

[J-DARKnes]

I mean you can technically play your ps4 version of spiderman on the ps5 so there's that... however it's a remastered so I get it. I'm getting Miles Morales and I can just replay spiderman ps4 if I wanted to so I dont see the big deal.

[Elda]

My opinion on this is Sony stated that Spiderman remastered on the PS5 has been touched up & tweaked with bells & whistles compared to just an enhanced version with just resolution & fps upscaled. They did a complete visual enhancement with improved textures,more & better looking characters on screen including,ray tracing,better lighting,ambient shadows,instant loading,3D audio,controller haptic feedback,new Spiderman suits,new trophies included with all the dlc remastered including being 4k/60fps. It seems Sony/Insomniac went out their way to enhance the 2018 Spiderman for the PS5 which deserves the $20 upgrade price for the Miles Morales Ultimate Edition. Everything about the remaster is in this article. https://www.pushsquare.com/...

[LoveSpuds]

People outraged because they want free stuff drive me nuts, it's not a simple upres, if Insomniac have put thousands of hours into this version, then why should the be expected to give it away? Its an old game, relatively speaking and when I bought it, I did so to play it on PS4, I got what I paid for.

Push Square used to be fairly decent but recently I feel like they have realised that this kind of negativity is getting them lots of attention on N4G.

[Stanjara]

That stupid. If I buy Ultimate edition on ps5 I should be able to play it on the ps4 with it's settings.
That smart delivery thing...I see it now, it's great.
This is stupid especially when most of the new Ps5 owners do have Ps4 and will probably still use it or gift it, or keep it in their households.

Or vice versa.

[quenomamen]

No that Halo debacle shows who's out of touch. And dont tell me its the Devs fault, Cuz you know damn well MS was shown what we saw and gave it the green light hoping gamers would not notice.

[Petebloodyonion]

The real problem with Sony atm is the lack of clear communication or material to make an educated purchase.
Per example, Sony has claimed several times that Miles Morales has been built from the ground up with Ps5 in minds but they never have shown the PS4 version of the game. How can we judged that the game is truly next gen material and warrant the purchase of the PS5?
Now the same apply to Spiderman remaster How can we compared both version to see the difference and help us make a purchase if we have no gameplay or evidence to base our opinion on?

And just to punctuate my claims, Capcom did made a video explaining the difference between Devil May Cry 5 ultimate edition and the current Ps4 game.
https://youtu.be/UrmO1giQHj...

[GamingSinceForever]

And guess what?
DMC5 is newer than Spider-Man and you will be rebuying it of you want all of those extra enhancements. Sure you can pop in your PS4 version and get the benefits of the hardware enforced enhancements but there are levels to it.

[Petebloodyonion]

And guess what?
After seeing the difference between the base game and the upgrade game well I won't spend a dime on the ultimate edition (and less interested since they won't even do the pc version of the game).
But at least they showed me the difference between the version and I found that it wasn't for me.
Now where's Sony video so I can decide if it's valuable?

[GamingSinceForever]

You absolutely have the right to not spend your money.

As for when you will get to see the new version of Spider-Man who knows. But I’m sure it will be sometime between now and the day it comes out. Do you really need a months in advance notice?

I don’t particularly care because I don’t play games twice, but my point is charging for an enhanced version of a game is nothing new. DMC5 and GTAV for the umpteenth time. Why wouldn’t Sony capitalize and make that money? You can just play the version you have with BC if you want.

[GameZenith]

If this were M$ people here would have been jumping all over this. But since it is Sony, people turn a blind eye.

[sushimama]

Shut up. Sony has been getting jumped all over all the time. The media likes to bash the most popular thing, because hate generates more clicks.

[GaboonViper]

But people aren't turning a blind eye, everyone is complaining and rightly so, arrogant Sony is back.

[Pyrofire95]

Well to be fair, their motto isn't 'For the Players' anymore.

[WelkinCole]

1. Free upgrades are not actually free to make
2. Not every game as a matter of fact only a few publishers are doing free upgrades.
3. Following from 2 it is not an industry standard yet

So why exactly is Sony being singled out?

So because say Red dose free upgrade for the witcher that automatically entitles every gamer to get free upgrades for every other games they own?

Free upgrades are nice I mean who does not like free stuff? but that does not mean you should demand and exact everyone else to give you free stuff. That is not how the real world works.

[Petebloodyonion]

Here's Microsoft answer to how to upgrade with Smart delivery on Xbox Serie X/S

"Here's a thread on how you can upgrade games to Xbox Series X | S with Smart Delivery in a few easy steps
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- Just buy the game"

https://twitter.com/xboxuk/...

[Necro-Pyro]

nope, still not buying that trash can and their "games".

[jfinesse]

I’m not an apologist for Sony but I can’t see how that makes them out of touch. Wouldn’t hypothetically a remaster for the new system have elements like 60fps, ray tracing and other upgrades that can’t be replicated on the 7+ year old hardware.

[SinisterKieran]

First off, I’m confused as to why your pic is from the spider verse movie...or at least I don’t remember that costume haha.

And also, I’d love to know what the hell is going on at Sony right now, Because I feel there is no communication, lack of important information about the console, like I haven’t seen anything being played or any of the key features of the console. This may come off as dumb but I honestly don’t mind paying for the Spider-Man remaster. But that’s my problem. Something feels very wrong here.
Where is Sony’s old personality that I used to love. Nobody is talking. Apart from Geoff

[ZombieGamerMan]

You know I'm starting to feel some people are acting a little bit entitled to games they have no right to. I'm sorry but I don't remember a generation when you got the next gen version for free if you already bought it on old gen. Does anyone recall those free GTA V upgrade they got from owning it on PS3? or how about CoD Ghost, or Bioshock, or Tomb Raider, or Sleeping Dogs? Cause I sure as shit don't and we got along just fine, you want Spider-Man PS5 then buy Spider-Man on PS5

[kayoss]

Its similar to the The last of us remaster going to the PS4.

[Positivelypositive]

They should just put it out as a separate 40 dollar game. I don't see how anyone can expect a free update to the game from their PS4 version. It's all the devs choice in the end. In this case its sony deciding. I think they just want us to buy the game for 69.99 so they have more stats to use to say see people will pay 69.99 new so lets bump them all up. The casual attitude you see everywhere like. Oh, I don't mind if they make it 69.99 i'm a rich gamer who preorders the entire year at once. /LeonardoDiCaprioMEME

[Exvalos]

Nintendo gets away with charging 60.00 for what equals a rom release of mario 64, nobody says anything. Yet sony cant charge for next gen versions of games. Which will have ray tracing better frames and better graphics.

[plmkoh]

Shussh, we are trying to light the console war here. The world revolves around the war economy, not peace.

[GamingSinceForever]

Someone gets it I see. Not sure why it is so hard to understand.

[Extermin8or3_]

They redid animations, higher res and more complex character models and environment, full ray tracing support, and a variety of other engine improvements. This is the equivalent of the last of us- the last of us remastered last gen.

[anast]

Players want single player games and they deliver, but some how trying to make a quick buck off of Spiderman is a debacle...

[iplay1up2]

With Microsoft buying Bethesda, and the announcement that Bethesda games, already going multi console will release day 1 on Game Pass.

I own a lot of Bethesda current gen games, this is a no brainer.

PS5 is apparently not going to use something similar to Smart Delivery. That sucks! Some Current gen games on Xbox will be upgraded for free, if you own Series X.

[Profchaos]

No it doesn't it's the same as control they don't owe us a free game stop being entitled

[Unknown_Gamer5794]

I for one think no exclusives at launch (not even of the cross-gen variety) shows MS is out of touch.

[REDDURT]

Look Microsoft it’s not going to work. They can hire all the people they want we not buying a Xbox.

[DivineHand125]

To the Sony defenders. The spiderman PS4 upgrade better look identical to Miles Morales to warrant the asking price as I already expect the current version of the game to run at 4k 60 fps via backwards compatibility.

[Minute Man 721]

People really defending this sh!t move by Sony, not surprised

[Tedakin]

I'm not going to say MS would have updated your copy of the game for free........ but they would have.

[SPEAKxTHExTRUTH]

This is no different than the lame upgrade Control offers. Hope you fanboys give Sony as much crap as you guys gave the devs of Control. Sony is being VERY anti consumer because their fans allow them to be. I see that arrogance of Sony cira 2006 returning...disagree all you like but the proof is in the pudding...

[Minute Man 721]

This gen is starting to feel like the PS3/360 era

[PrinterMan]

Stop pretending you ca write.

[Spenok]

Honestly? I think PushSquare is out of touch.

[moriarty1889]

more like Jim Ryan is out of touch. No wonder Layden left the way he did.

[Spenok]

What makes him out of touch? That he doesn't think his employees should work for free?

[Binarycode]

Talking about Remasters.

Demon Souls only sold 1million on PS3/ Niche. But it looks like its got a great remaster from the video's.

It should push some numbers in Japan etc.

But for me, I want a Remaster of Resistance fall of man, and Motorstorm.

[brewin]

This is what Sony does. They get overconfident and think the gamers will just do as Sony says. Whenever they are in the lead for the previous generation they always pull some kind of crap like this. I thought they would have learned their lesson after the PS3 debacle, but it seems Sony's back up to their tricks again. it's funny how a generation of amazing games can make people forget the past atrocities of a company.

[Hitman007]

Sony can do no wrong just look at the fanboy Votes on this site they turn 💩Into solid gold then sell it to screw over the fan base but its ok right its sony they put half the company through college on remaster money alone 👎👎

[DFresh]

Sony just like Microsoft is a business not a charity.
Either wait for a discount or spend your money elsewhere.
Those are your options.

[Bronbron92]

Crazy people really upset over a damn remaster of a game, either shut up and pay the 70$ or just get miles morales stand-alone or just not get it at all y’all crying over a 2 year old game man

[DragoonUS]

And about PS+ instant collection? Is out of touch? C'mon enough with this FUD stuff. People are getting crazy? stuff costs money to be made... Spider man was a last gen game, and the people from insomniac remade a lot of stuff this is not just turn on RT and Post process things and it's done! everybody is capitalist to sell their own work, but as soon they are asked to pay for others work go full socialist dementia.

[Petebloodyonion]

In other news, Microsoft pulled a Sony 2013 on twitter today regarding the Spiderman debacle.

"Here's a thread on how you can upgrade games to Xbox Series X | S with Smart Delivery in a few easy steps
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-
- Just buy the game"

https://twitter.com/xboxuk/...

[ziggurcat]

Except if you pop the PS4 disc or boot the PS4 digital version on your PS5, you still get some enhancements... swing, and a miss from MS.

[Petebloodyonion]

And your point?
You get the same treatment (improved frame rate, resolution scaling, loading) with Xbox Serie X/S backward
compatibility features and that is not getting the next-gen upgrade for the game.
Ubisoft will release 2 versions of Assassin's Creed this year one for current-gen and one for next-gen Smart delivery means that you don't need to rebuy the other version.

[ConsoleAgnostic]

Obviously you do not know anything about Xbox. The One X has been enhancing older games since day one.

[ConsoleAgnostic]

It is completely fine to question the motives of the "team" you are on. Don't be blinded because you spent money on console...you should hold them to hire standards because if that.

[ironmonkey]

If you are moaning and groaning about this please do not buy ps5. Please! Bitch somewhere else bud and buy something else.

[ILostMyMind]

Sony is making this decision easier.

[MightyHealthy]

This is PushSquare, a dedicated playstation site.
Its going to be hard to say the site is conspiring against sony, like the crowd here usually does......
Its not a good look, especially when their competitor said all of their first party games gets the upgrade.
To make it worse, there's no option to even get it if you wanted to, without getting the MM ultimate edition.
Maybe insomniac and sony will pivot on this

[poppatron]

It’s all good guys, it’s been cleared up in another article.

If you Have the spidey Ps4 disc and put it in your ps5 you’ll get the next gen upgrade to the vanilla game for free, then there will be an option in the menu to get the miles morales dlc for 19.99.

No mention of those who own digital copies though.

[Adnanilyas21]

Man I love my Nintendo Switch :)

[Stanjara]

Uff, talking about consumer friendly.

[Indigon]

It's all about timing. We've had some negative news lately concerning PS5. First there was the news games getting more expensive, then came the news the PS5 isn't backwards compatible with PS1/PS2/PS3 games, the pre-order mess and to top it off no free upgrade. All while their biggest competitor snatched so many studios making Xbox fans rightfully jump with joy.

I've been a PlayStation fan for a long time and I'm heavily invested into their ecosystem, but could we please get some positive news too Sony?

[Stanjara]

Don't worry about it. Play your ps4 and next year when all settles down buy casually ps5 with couple of games.
I'm probably gonna play my ps4 for years untill larger ssd black slim version comes out.

[ILostMyMind]

Simple. Sony should give this remaster for everyone who paid for Spider-Man or stop making remasters from a game that don't need it.

[sizeofyou]

Then don't buy it - if you disagree with paying for it..? Others may want it and be prepared to pay.
Nobody needed to pay for the early Uncharted games remastered on PS4, but some did...

[Harryvok]

Eh, I perfectly understand how you do or don’t get the upgraded version of the original Spider-Man and it’s not a huge price jump to get the ultimate edition of Miles over the standard version. I’m assuming the ‘upgrade’ option from the standard version on the store will just be the difference.

I get we’re in an age of entitlement, but if it means I get remasters of great games that are more than just a resolution bump (which this most certainly is), I’ll happily pay a fee to upgrade.

[BLAKHOODe]

I don't think it's right that they're not offering an upgrade option to PS4 owners of 2018's Spider-Man, nor an upgrade to Ultimate Edition option if you make the mistake of buying the standard edition of Miles Morales.

A lot of work went into enhancing the game, so I don't expect it to be a free upgrade, but at least be reasonable about it.

[TreMillz]

So basically Sony is trying to get people to spend an extra $20 to get a bigger experience... I see nothing wrong with pushing a launch title....

[sizeofyou]

It was never promised...there were 'rumours'.
It's in the deluxe MM release. Pay £18 or play the PS4 version...pays money makes a choice.
Hardly an out of touch situation...

[Silly gameAr]

Damn, gone for a day, and there's more fake outrage articles. Never change N4G.

[Kaedro]

I have to agree here. Sony were shady with the "We believe in generations" thing and then lowkey announcing some of their most awaited next-gen games are cross gen. Bad Sony, bad.