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Senua’s Saga: Hellblade 2 Reveal Trailer Was Running In Real-Time, Epic Reiterates

At the end of last year, we got quite a shock when Phil Spencer walked on the stage of The Game Awards 2019 and unveiled the Xbox Series X out of nowhere. Alongside it was also the unveiling of a much anticipated sequel, Senua’s Saga: Hellblade 2. The game got a stunning reveal trailer that was said to be in-engine and in real time. But, as is always the case, there was some doubt and skepticism about that. Well, it seems that Epic Games is sticking with it.

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Marquinho1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

IF this is true, then it's the most impressive UE demo I have ever seen.

I honestly thought it was pre-rendered. I mean... look at that overwhelming detail in her face!

Eonjay1419d ago

I don't understand why there would be doubt. The engine is very powerful as we already know. The PS5 demo showed actual real time gameplay so why would they struggle with real time cut scenes. And parts of the Hell Blade trailer were clearly taken from Gameplay too.

Also, and maybe this is just me, but there is still a difference between real time cut scene and CGI.

crazyCoconuts1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

I'm most impressed with the facial animation and motion cap that Ninja Theory's team has accomplished here. That's some next level stuff going on, if the whole game is animated at that level of realism.

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DarXyde1419d ago

Marquinho,

"IF this is true, then it's the most impressive UE demo I have ever seen.

I honestly thought it was pre-rendered. I mean... look at that overwhelming detail in her face!"

Ninja Theory has always been pretty top notch in terms of facial detail capture. I liken them to Quantic Dream in this regard.

That said, I think people have to be mindful of terms like "in-engine". It totally doesn't mean you'll be playing the game with visuals like this. If it turns out that way, that would be very interesting, but I'm wary of that. Corinne Yu also said the Uncharted 4 reveal trailer was running in-engine and, while the in game visuals looked truly stunning (and still do), there was certainly a contrast where you knew what was gameplay and what was in- engine.

I am sure it's going to look incredible (it's Ninja Theory, after all) but I think it's very fair to speculate on the nature of this "in-engine" statement.

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ABizzel11419d ago

I'm really interested to see what comes of this game, as I followed the journey of the original closely.

The first game turned out to be really good especially considering it came from only a fraction of the Ninja Theory Team in order to maximize profit. I believe it started with less than 10 people, moved up to 14, and ended with just over 20 people making the game after 3 years of work, and dubbed the term AAA indie.

As far as the trailer, the video clearly said in-engine, so I don't know why this is coming as a surprise to anyone, and seeing Unreal Engine 5 demoed it made sense. The trailer was sub 4K and 24fps. The 24fps is a cinematic framerate and the standard for film and movies, so that's understandable, and the Resolution as Digital Foundry said is probably being used to have a high pixel density in the given space just like how The Order 1886 did on PS4. That doesn't mean the final real-time cinematics will be this way, and obviously the gameplay won't be targeting 24fps.

It does, however, seem to be aiming for 4K @ 30fps. 60fps is possible, but I'll talk about that later, and it'll be highly jarring going from 60fps gameplay to 24 - 30 fps cutscenes, and while games have done that it just looks off.

Graphically will gameplay look like this trailer.... For the most part, yes, it won't be to that level of quality, but it will still hold up well, especially if you've actually played the first game.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Environments:
You can look at the best examples of the current-gen, and see the trailer has each of those features and takes it up a step again as the Digitial Foundry video shows. Environments at their base are similar to the best of current-gen, however, they are significantly more level of detail (as UE5 demoed, which DF got wrong in their trailer review), better overall textures, and more geometry (rocks, foliage, etc...).

Character models:
Senua had an amazing character model for current-gen, so it's only natural that the model gets improvements from the base design already created with more polygon's added to smooth out places, and much better texture work and hair effects.

Overall Effects:
Simply put this new generation is catching up to PC in regards to having much better lighting, shadows, and particle effects, and those things will make games look better, even if it's not as noticeable as a huge improvement to texture quality.

Performance:
The game ran at Dynamic 900p @ 30fps on base XBO, Dynamic 1080p @ 30fps on base PS4, PS4 Pro Dynamic 1440p @ 30 fps or Dynamic mainly 1080p @ 60fps (but as low as 720p), and XBO-X Dynamic 4K @ 30fps for all modes except the performance-based 60fps mode (mainly 1300p but as low as 720p). So that pretty much paints the picture for the Series X as well. The Series X should be able to run the original game in 4K @ 60fps based on RTX 2080 ti performance, however, when you increase all of these effects such as environmental detail, lighting, shadows, multiple characters on screen, etc... then the performance cannot be comparable to the previous game which used tons of tricks such as LOD's to get max performance which the consoles won't be using nearly as much. A performance mode will likely be available with Dynamic 4K @ 60fps (likely 1440p for the most part).

Imalwaysright1419d ago

"video clearly said in-engine"

Wich doesn't say much as it could be pre-rendered and not be running in real time.

Stanjara1419d ago

Such a big post so I will say something.
In engine cinematic can mean anything cause gameplay uses different assets due to controls, physics, ai and all the things that make a game and are limited by memory.
Trailer was and is doubtfull cause it is post process heavy that all of it can be added in post production and editing.
Reason is marketing.

Now, recent events like last of us2 production and ue5 demo can bring senua visuals to gameplay but I believe that all of it was just a target.

We must see more.

Tech51419d ago

just to clarify on some gamers saying the video was running on UE5. the trailer specifically was UE4, the game it'self however has been moved to UE5.

Shadowsteal1419d ago

The original game was such a chore to play. The first battle and the last played out basically the same way. Idk why anyone praises Hellblade so much but then bashed on The Order 1886 for example.

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gamer78041419d ago

agreed, so far the most next gen looking graphics I've seen, looked like a top tier pre-rendered video. amazing.

Smclaren19851419d ago

Yeah horizons zero dawn 2 trailer looks nothing like it lol, it’s very impressive though we are in for one hell of a treat next gen. if we can get hold of a console that is with shortages and demand lol

Obscure_Observer1419d ago

There´s nothing like it as far video game graphics go on any platform.

Xbox is promoting a true next gen visual leap with Flight Simulator, Hellblade II and Project Mara.

And they are just warming up! O.o

Fantangoooo1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

Madness.. I also doubted it was running on XSX.. but for Epic to confirm this... LORD! next gen cant come soon enough..

My eyes will bleed with joy..
I will still hold some reservations till i see full gameplay thought but i doubt it would be much different.. Hellblade 1 was a very pretty game.

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TranceHop 1419d ago

I'm going to have a heart attack if Hellblade 2 gameplay looks anything close to the trailer.

LOGICWINS1419d ago

Prepare your heart for next week then!

1Victor1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

I’ll wait till release day to pass judgment into it l. Gaming companies have proved in the past they will do anything to get a leg up on the competition remember milo/Kate “demo” and the original motostorm trailer. Yeah I do and I don’t get my hopes up on trailers/early demonstrations as A LOT can change before the final product

Obscure_Observer1419d ago

@LOGICWINS

"Prepare your heart for next week then!"

Phil Spencer said "early in development". I don´t think we´ll see any gameplay footage next week. Specially now that Microsoft confirmed that it will running on UE5. ;)

Vasto1419d ago

If it was running in real time the in game visuals should be close.

Imalwaysright1419d ago

If it's running in real time it's using the same assets as the gameplay portion.

_dangerclose_1419d ago

A trailer is not gameplay.

Rousseau8881419d ago

Next gen is going to be insane for sure

rpvenom1419d ago

agreed. i was a fan of hellblade when it dropped on playstation. glad xbox fans got a strong exclusive.. and knowing how good the first one looked. i don't doubt for a second this will look amazing on the x

goldwyncq1419d ago

If true then wow. Ninja Theory has essentially become Microsoft’s Naughty Dog.

phoenixwing1419d ago

While that is a bit exaggerated ninja theory have always been able to do a lot with a little so giving them free reign should have great results

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throne1419d ago

ninja theory to naughty dog? not even close

goldwyncq1419d ago

Well, I meant that one studio that pushes whatever console they're working on to its technological limit, producing breathtakingly beautiful masterpieces that stands above other games in that console.

MadLad1419d ago

I don't see why ND is held in such high regard. As far as I am concerned, it's only their last few titles that blew my mind.
Uncharted was janky up until the 3rd game. Jak and Daxter had an identity crisis with every release.
Crash Bandicoot, while good for its time, aged fairly poorly.
Last of Us, and Uncharted 4 is where, I feel, their quality shows.

Last of Us is one of my favorite games, but I think Ninja Theory has put out more content that I truly enjoyed.
It will be pointed out that Metacritic disagrees with me, so that will make my assessment wrong.

Minute Man 7211419d ago

@ TedCruz

Thou I bash Uncharted 4, it wasn't bad, it's just the set pieces didn't top Uncharted 2. Not to mention they demoed the best part of the game @ E3

LOGICWINS1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

Echoing what goldwyncq said, I think it's a fair comparison as both studios are known for pushing the limits of their respective console.

Hellblade 2 is aiming to be the Xbox's "Uncharted 2" so to speak. A sequel that blows away expectations and defines the new generation.

@Minute Man 721 Uncharted 4 is great, but it suffered from pacing issues.... particularly in the teenage Nate/Sam flashback scenarios.

Lost Legacy IMO was better than Uncharted 4 due to the better pacing and chemistry between Chloe/Nadine.

If Sony announced Lost Legacy 2 in August, it would make me consider buying a PS5 down the line.

Atticus_finch1419d ago

Okay Ted Cruz, let's talk about bleeding edge. I'm sure you don't want to. ND has never released a game so bad, EVER...
"It's only their last few titles"
Yeah bro over 10 years of unmatched high standards and quality mean nothing.
You're argument is wrong way before talking about Meta scores and awards, but go ahead, being wrong never stops you.

Obscure_Observer1419d ago

@Atticus_finch

"Okay Ted Cruz, let's talk about bleeding edge. I'm sure you don't want to. ND has never released a game so bad, EVER..."

Lol. You´re certainly new (age?) to gaming, otherwise, you would know of Naughty Dog´s Way of the Warrior on 3DO. ;)

Atticus_finch1419d ago

@Obscure Wow! the 3do. haha, You got me.
Bleeding edge (2020)
Way of warrior (1994)
Lol

MadLad1419d ago

@Atticus

Dear christ. You're everything wrong with this site. I give an honest opinion on how I view the Naughty Dog discography and you instantly need to bring up MS.
Believe it or not, not everyone here is a blind loyalist where Sony bad, MS good and vice-versa.
Also, Bleeding Edge wasn't even a bad game; it just didn't find its audience, so hush up twice over.

Atticus_finch1419d ago

Come on teddy, I never mentioned MS. So you can comment your opinion but I cant.

JackBNimble1418d ago

Not even close?
Most of ND's developers left , there are only very few originals still working there.
Time will tell but I believe ND is on a downward spiral.

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THC CELL1419d ago

No goldwyncq not even kind of close sorry but I am going to face palm my self 250 times

DiRtY1418d ago

You are not allowed to criticize Naughty Dog on N4G.

Prepare for disagrees and hate!

Ristul1418d ago

Noughty Dog is overrated, they have been innovating almost nothing, they use the same formula for their games. Compare the on rails climbing in uc4 to breath of the wild for example.

SamPao1418d ago (Edited 1418d ago )

my god, just as an example, they have the best animations by FAR from ANY gamestudio. If you dont see this, then you should clearly have a look at it. If they would not be innovating they would not be on that level.
They changed the entire industry with Uncharted 2, they brought so many new people in with games like tlou because of the way the characters and stories are handled.
You can have your opinion but at least acknowledge the VISIBLE things.

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gravedigger1419d ago (Edited 1419d ago )

Yeah, a cut-scene at 24 fps and what....1600p

Lets see the gameplay at 30fps

IRetrouk1419d ago

It was 1440p and 24 fps, it was realtime in engine stuff though, just like the original uncharted 4 announce video, users expecting the game to look like that need to watch the uncharted 4 announce video and then the final game....

https://www.videogamer.com/...

gravedigger1419d ago

Hellblade 2 was a TARGET RENDER cut-scene, same like Uncharted 4

anubusgold1418d ago (Edited 1418d ago )

30 and 60 fps was bad in 2009. If i was just getting 60 fps in 2009 i would think what crap hardware did i just buy lol.

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HellBlade 2 - Patch Notes – 31st May 2024

Ninja Theory writes: "We've added some fixes to improve the game experience"

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purple1012d ago

"Misaligned peach fuzz around Senua's neck and face has been corrected"

ahh, just the patch ive been waiting for, can jump in now, safe in the knowledge, misaligned hairs have been aligned...

what a Day to be alive

Sciurus_vulgaris2d ago

You don’t even notice peach fuzz on most people, unless you look really close.

Scissorman1d 15h ago

It's such a shame the game isn't selling too well.

jwillj2k41d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Boring + walking sim + QTE fighting = full r

Never go full r

CobraKai1d 12h ago

I like it when devs do something different. I’d love to support every game that separates itself from the boring and tired FPSs.

My issue with H2 is that there is no physical release. Id love to play this game, but i need a physical release. If one never comes, then so be it.

babadivad1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

The story tramples over the foundations set in the first game. Senua is insane. She sees things that aren't there. Hears things that aren't there. The enemies she fights were monstrous "demons" but were they really?? Likely not. They were just men. In the old game, the voices in her head are openly antagonistic. It made you further question her sanity and her grip on reality.

In Hell Blade 2 (granted I haven't finished yet) the monsters ARE real. Everyone can see them. Gods and giants aren't just fables. They are there in the flesh threatening humanity. The voices in her head are cheerleaders now. Senua's story has taken on the "Chosen One" quasi-mary sue element.

Hellblade 2 erased the main reason Senua and her story was interesting. They butchered her.

It's been a long time since I played the original but in this game they have fully turned her father into a villain that was just "holding her back". Because of course he's just an evil man trying to hold her down. And now he's the one who led the mob that killed her mother and burned her at the stake.

Like I said before, it's been a while since I played the first game but from what I remembered, he loved his wife. She went insane like Senua and was killed. He started seeing the same signs of insanity in Senua and sequestered them away from the village to protect her from them.

If he's the one who lead the mob to burn his wife at the stake, why the fuck would he hide Senua away from the village? The puzzles are mind numbingly simple in this game too. That's secondary to the way they butchered the world they set up in the first game.

After I beat the first game, I always felt it was a mistake for Senua to have survived. She should have died at the end with her beloved like a classic Greek Tragedy. The first game was a beautiful story, the sequel ruins everything that was special about it.

Rynxie1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I agree with everything you said, Xbox fan girls need to destroy their consoles and quit gaming.

babadivad1d 11h ago

@Rynixe

Chill with the fanboy crap. The first time I played Hellblade was on Playstation. I obviously have an Xbox as well since I'm playing the sequel. I have had both consoles since launch. I'm giving my honest review of a video game and comparing it to its predecessor. Don't look any deeper than the words I put in my working review. I'm not a fanboy. To be honest, Playstation "fanboys" should be terrified if Microsoft really leaves the industry.

Sony with no competition is a terrible site indeed. People have the shortest memories. I have also been warning you guys about this. Microsoft leaving gaming is going to be the worst thing to happen to Playstation fans.

Ironmike1d 10h ago

U are wrong they were real the demons the journey was real she wasn't crazy like her father said the developers have stated that the ending was her relising through her grief she couldnt bring him back no matter what and it was time to let go

Sciurus_vulgaris1d 3h ago

The giants in the game probably aren’t real, they are a metaphor for natural disasters.

Rynxie18h ago

Baba

The fanboy crap? GTFO you clown. I didn't even bother reading your crap, you're a joke.

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Ironmike1d 10h ago

If u can't work that out for ur self lol

Tzuno1d 8h ago

Wasted visuals, the game is interesting only at the 4th chapter, dumb ending
rushed and unfinished story

Ironmike19h ago

Iam on about first game not 2

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‘Hellblade 2’ Launches As The 23rd Most-Played Xbox Game, What Does That Mean?

Senua’s Saga: Hellblade 2 launched last week to solid reviews from both fans and players. But its playercount? That's another story.

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helicoptergirl6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

That's awful. This combined with the really low Steam numbers paint a disastrous picture imo. Really bad timing too because Tango was closed down for a similar thing. Great reviewed game, and low sales and/or player count. Hi-Fi Rush reviewed a hell of a lot better and it was widely loved by everyone, Hellblade 2 nowhere near that.

I know the rumor is that the studio has their next game already green-lit, but if I worked at Tango, I would be furious. "Why do they survive while we get binned?" I'd be telling myself.

But the suit woman will have you believe "Oh we have different metrics for the success of one studio compared to another studio. We judge each studio and game on their own set criteria" or something like that, I'm paraphrasing here but you get the idea. But no one who works there knows what the hell that even means. I mean the DLC for Redfall was getting worked on days before they even got the news their studio was getting dumped in the trash. So what are these mysterious metrics to let studios survive and others perish? I bet this is all hogwash, I bet MS don't even really know. They just had to make cuts and certain studios just found their way on the chopping block. Someone had to bite the dust, why not you?

Well I bet all this does nothing for the confidence of other employees in other studios. The truth is you have no idea where your career will be in a year from now working at one of their studios that aren't the mega big ones. MS just have too many studios to manage efficiently. "We'll just throw money at them and buy them and worry about the details later on. I mean we can do it, we're Microsoft."

darthv726d ago

...have you seen what the top 10 consists of? Its things like fortnite, roblox, CoD, apex... etc. This being a new game that has a niche appeal is actually surprising to see at 23. Its also the 33rd top paid game on the PC through the MS store.

tay87016d ago

Those are dreadful numbers any way you slice it dude. They hyped this game to hell for the last 4 plus yrs. It was supposed to be xboxs big game this yr. Ninja Theory is probably sweating right now.

Scissorman6d ago

And it's already slipped out of the Top 100 on Steam. Meanwhile a port of the 4-year old Ghost of Tsushima is sitting comfortably at #8.

RiseNShine6d ago

One of the biggest games of the year, a multi million sequel and heavily advertised game, at 23 most played? There's no way to justify those numbers.

darthv726d ago

^^heavily advertised game...?

I mean, I knew the game was coming but outside of a boot screen ad for it, there has been little to no marketing. And yet it still managed 23rd. Make of that what you will.

Elda6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Here in the East Coast on NY/NJ on cable tv Hellblade 2 has been advertised pretty well. I see the commercials every day at least 3 times a day for the past 3 weeks. It's even advertised as YT commercials.

Chevalier6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

What an idiotic comment. Let me guess the next comment would be GTA V outsold everything so....

Absolutely terrible numbers all round for this game. Ghost of Tsushima at number 8. Good games going to sell regardless of excuses

CobraKai5d ago

Nice try on spinning it but it debuting at 23 isn’t a good thing. It’s one of MS anticipated exclusives.

Cacabunga5d ago

That GP adds no value to a game..
ninja theory got it all wrong, from being sold to MS to only prioritizing graphics

jwillj2k45d ago (Edited 5d ago )

23 is high just shows how shite Xbox lineup is. Game should have come at 70’s.

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RpgSama6d ago

What a disaster, 2 failures in a row for Ninja Theory, first Bleeding edge, now Hellblade 2, any way you slice it these are not the numbers the most awaited game of the year for Xbox should show (before Activision purchase), also player numbers is extremely low and even more surprising considering is day 1 on gamepass.

Crows906d ago

If they worked on heavenly sword instead then they would have something worth playing and waiting for... unfortunately that won't happen.

Terry_B6d ago

It means that it will be the..50th? 75th? most played xbox game in June.

anast5d ago

I think it's well below 75th on Steam.

CrimsonWing696d ago

That people played it 🤷‍♂️

Terry_B5d ago

The graphics are great though *fixed it

ChasterMies5d ago

The lowest common denominator isn’t after great games. Look at xDefiant player numbers.

InUrFoxHole5d ago

Not sure how I feel about that game yet.

Scissorman6d ago

If this game cost more and took longer to develop than Hi-Fi Rush, then I would worry if I were Ninja Theory. Projects may have been greenlit, but the increased scrutiny over at MS may very well put them on the chopping block. The incredible irony here is that it was PlayStation players that pushed the original game passed its 1 million copies sold milestone. With that purchasing power cut out, and the Game Pass effect having trained Xbox players to not purchase games, it seems that the sequel may have been set-up for failure.

italiangamer6d ago

And that's exactly what pisses me off about Hellblade 2 not being on PlayStation, Sony promoted the original game and I bought it basically on D1 back in the day because I liked what I saw and ended up really enjoying it!
I really hope Hellblade 2 is next on the porting list because I would buy it in a heartbeat, asshole microsoft robbed me of this game!

darthv726d ago

Just get an xbox. Then it will be YOU that is robbing Microsoft. Gamepass is a hell of a deal and an addictive one at that.

AndrewM6d ago

No darth, buying an Xbox only helps xbox lol he can play gamepass on com if he wants to take advantage of them destroying themselves.

Scissorman6d ago

If anything I would say that these sales figures and player counts may actually fast-track its PS5 port.

Bathyj5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Just get an Xbox? You're kidding right? No one paddles out and jumps on a sinking ship.

I wouldn't buy an Xbox for this lacklustre game and I wouldn't sign up to gamepass if I did. People want to trade their long term sustainable games industry for a short term saving, go ahead and see how it turns out.

Actually we're seeing how that turns out. Unsatisfied Devs. Mediocre games and a failing Microsoft games division.

Rhythmattic5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Hay Darth.. "Just get an xbox"
so.. explain.....what is Xbox ?

GotGame8185d ago

You can play it on PC. Heck you can play it, on just about anything, if you have decent Internet. It is an amazing looking game.

anast5d ago

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I would have. But ES6 is coming to PlayStation after all, so there's really no need.

MrDead5d ago

darthv72 activity promoting studio shutdowns with that comment.

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Hellblade 2's Excellent Presentation Goes Far Beyond Its Graphics

Hellblade 2 has great presentation, and that includes more than graphics.

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anast6d ago

74 user score on meta. I wouldn't say it includes much more.

PrinceOfAnger6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

81 meta-critic
Steam user score 85% from
(2,677)..

Death stranding
7.4 user score

Last of us part 2
5.8 user score on meta..

Days gone 71 meta-score.

MrNinosan6d ago

All you proved with those numbers is that Xbox fanboys do everything they can to make Sony games look bad and Xbox games look good, while Sony fans mostly are busy playing games instead of review bombing Xbox games.

romulus236d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Death Stranding
82 meta-critic

The Last of Us 2
93 meta-critic

Figured I'd give some context since you conveniently left those scores out.

MrNinosan6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Btw, why not use Meta for every game or doesn't it fit your agenda?

Current Gen scores:
Hellblade 2 - 7.4 User Score (81MC)
Death Stranding 2 - 7.6 User Score (85MC)
Last of Us Part 2 - 8.1 User Score (90MC)
Days Gone - 8.5 User Score (71MC)

Death Stranding on Stean has 91%
Days Gone on Steam has 92%

anast5d ago

Low player count, 23rd played, the game isn't doing well.

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Crows906d ago

Let it die already. Nobody cares...they should have expanded the games systems

Inverno6d ago

Yeah and many games before it have done what it did and more. Why are we impressed by features that have been standard in many games before? Sites are gonna keep up these fluff pieces for a while longer while everyone has already moved onto some indie game that costs less, took less time to make and does more with gameplay. So many games have been killed off by negative reviews and negative opinion pieces for being more of less like Hellblade 2, but nah this one's special.

EternalTitan6d ago

It dosent even go beyond beyond its mediocre combat.
Graphics will get outdated in a mere two years.
And there is no combat system to hold it up.

PrinceOfAnger6d ago

I hope NT show their next game Project Mara in the coming showcase

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