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It's Microsoft's Fault That Videogames Are Bad

It behooves first party publishers to provide top quality productions that make their consoles worth buying. Nintendo and Sony have both produced amazing games to sell us on the PS4 and Switch.

Microsoft, however, is different. Microsoft has decided to act no better than a grasping third party "AAA" publisher. Even worse, it set the tone of a generation and contributed - perhaps more than any other company - to the nasty normalization of excessive monetization.

It's Microsoft's fault that videogames are bad.

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Srhalo1697d ago (Edited 1697d ago )

I have been saying this kind of stuff forever.

Honestly he skipped over much of the most egregious things Microsoft does and has done, but it's still good work.

Short term memory people and people who don't understand why people don't want an xbox need to keep being reminded of this stuff.

I don't know why anyone supports them, from the very beginning Microsoft has don't nothing but be a damaging influence on gaming. Pretty much all the bad trends you see today were initially born from Microsoft's greed. They have zero interest in gaming as an art or any desire to make a good game just because they can.

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Imortus_san1697d ago

Do you even kow that Microsoft did MS DOS and windows and is responsable for gaming existing like today, what a joke of a comment you have.

Godmars2901697d ago

Did you know that DOS was practically given to what would become MS by IBM which was a hardware company which didn't want to branch out into software?

battlegrog1697d ago

Dont forget apple probably wouldn't be around anymore if it wasn't for ms funding it

AmUnRa1697d ago (Edited 1697d ago )

Yeah and MS was "using" the OS from IBM changed it, and called it heyr own. That is the true history....

rainslacker1697d ago

DOS was around before MS distributed it. It wasn't even required to have MS-DOS in the earlier days of boot disc gaming on PC, as the game developers would distribute their own drivers.

MS is responsible for the way modern PC games are made, and to their credit, DX was something that PC gaming sorely needed. If such a thing hadn't come about, then there is no way GPU's could have gotten to the point they are without some other company doing it. This may not seem like such a big deal now with only two competitors in the 3D GPU market, but there used to be a lot of GPU vendors, and having a fight over which one could make the best drivers, which would likely lock others out, would have held back PC gaming for a really long time.

Not that MS didn't also hold back PC gaming by locking DX behind newer versions of windows, but that's another matter.

However, the discussion presented by this video, and being discussed here, isn't about what good was done for gaming by any individual company, but rather, the things MS has done, which has led to bad practices against the consumer which were introduced by MS. I'm not going to say MS is guilty of being the first with all the things presented, because I know they didn't come up with all these schemes. But they were among the first of some of the examples posited to push them as a central part of their marketing and distribution ethos.

MS does indeed have some good things they've brought to gaming. But at the same time, some of those things may, or rather would have come about either way. Network account centralization being among their biggest achievement with the Xbox brand. Centralized achievement systems(although it's subjective if that's good). Things like standard hard drive in the console would have come either way.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that MS is at fault like being presented in the video. I think the entire industry played a part in getting to where we are today. MS may have introduced and normalized some things we don't like, or have just accepted are the norm now, but chances are, most of that stuff we would be dealing with anyways. What MS did was finding solutions to "problems" that existed within the industry. Those solutions benefited them, while annoyed us. If MS hadn't found those solutions, then someone else would have. MS just took a lot of ideas from others who failed at makign them a thing.

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madpuppy1697d ago (Edited 1697d ago )

This is wrong, Bill Gates purchased MS-Dos from Seattle Computer Products for $50,000 and licensed it to IBM for it's first Personal Computer.
That was essentially the creation of Microsoft as a company. Bill Gates Mother was a powerful business woman with very close ties to the Leadership of IBM at the time....Nepotism at it's finest. If it wasn't for Bill Gates mommy, Microsoft may have never existed.

Godmars2901696d ago

@rainslacker:
"I think the entire industry played a part in getting to where we are today."

That's not a legitimate excuse. As a console maker, as the holder of the leading platform when the 360 ruled, MS greatly influenced the industry. EA was all but a subdivision of Xbox.

@madpuppy:
Wow. DOS's history was worse than I recall...

rainslacker1696d ago

@God

I wasn't using it to excuse MS of anything presented in the video, or being discussed here. Just that the original poster was off base, and I went into more detail about all that.

I don't excuse, or even really blame MS, for the stuff in the topic at hand. Maybe for paid online, but the rest probably would have happened with or without MS. Just look at how publishers followed the mobile market practices to monetize their games, and while the console makers enabled them to be able to do that on console, they probably would have been pressured to do so anyhow.

For all the blame one may throw at MS, the industry as a whole is trying to move to make more money. I'd expect that from a business or an industry. The problems come in that those moves aren't lining up with what is in the consumers interest, even though these companies, and the industry, will try to present it as something that is good for the consumer, because it gives them more, even though it's less, but with a price or some consideration attached.

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Saranya1697d ago

Don Mattrick(also Steve Balmer), he's only one to made Xbox brand failed.

Rachel_Alucard1697d ago

Satya Nadella is outdoing them in failing somehow.

JeffGUNZ1697d ago

The amount of bias you have skews your judgment. I will make this simple; every business everywhere wants to make the most money it can. The fact that MS is the evil one because they started charging for Live, but Sony gets a pass for them following is laughable. Do you even remember how better Xbox Live was to PSN back in the day? Xbox Live had so many features PSN lacked early the last generation until PlayStation began charging. Now, both services are fantastic. Regardless of that, Sony is just as guilty for greed as MS. All companies are guilty of it. It is amazing to me to still see people have this blind loyalty to a gaming console they happen to prefer. I love my PS4 and my Xbox One X, but I don't give a crap about Sony or MS enough to spew this fanboy nonsense. If MS provides a product/game I desire, my support falls in that purchase. Same with Sony. I mainly game on my PC, but it is laughable for people to throw all the blame on MS for starting this stuff and by some odd train of thought, justifying their platform of preference for following suit. Can't we all step back and agree companies don't care about us and only care about money? Do you think these guys running Sony or MS are only in it for the joy they bring to you? Get real, they want more money.

We exist in a world where games are being pushed out not completed and patched weeks to months later. We live in a world where season passes and Microtransactions are now taken over rewards that we used to unlock by just playing the game. We as gamers have been throttled with bullsh*t over the last decade and all we do is pick one company and blame the other. It's sickening to see this, why are we all not united against this hogwash?

SegaGamer1697d ago

I don't know how anybody can disagree with you, it's all facts.

Rachel_Alucard1697d ago

Who made it a norm in the industry for Sony and Nintendo to do it in the first place? Oh yeah.

DaDrunkenJester1697d ago

@Rachel

So you're saying MS has so much influence that both the gaming giants Sony and Nintendo couldn't have fought back on it?

Are we also going to blame PSNow for creating subscription based gaming on consoles since it was the first and clearly influenced the likes of GamePass and EA Access?

gangsta_red1697d ago

Excellent post and it just shines a light on the hypocrisy of this site and certain users who constantly like to blame one company and give the other(s) a past.

That is what's so funny about a theme I've been seeing when trying to only blame MS. How MS is forcing other companies to do the same. It's downright hilarious to even read it.

As if MS could force or strong arm Sony or Nintendo to do the same tactics.

Do you know how much praise Sony or Nintendo would get if they both offered free online or no microtransactions. But no, they too followed the trends and saw potential profit in services and followed suit.

They were going to do it with or without MS's entry into the gaming market and people are fooling themselves if they don't think so.

Rachel_Alucard1697d ago (Edited 1697d ago )

At no point am I saying Sony is better in any comment. But to dismiss the one who created it just because their competitors decided to follow what the west does a decade and half later is pure fanboying.

Imalwaysright1696d ago (Edited 1696d ago )

Rachel_Alucard

Oh the irony. You were defending Sony and Nintendo a few comments above and even made the pathetic point that they were just following because they thought it was the norm in the west. I felt some of my brain cells dying when I read that utter crap. They followed because it makes them money, that is it. They are not exempt from blame. No one is.

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AspiringProGenji1697d ago

“The xbox has coasted by on being the system you get because your friends have it” -Dunkey 2019

notachance1697d ago

to put it in a perspective..
how many users here are new XB fans that started from XB1 era and not a remnant from previous gen?
compare that to the number of new fans of PS4/Switch

battlegrog1697d ago

Been enjoying xbox since the first, never bought a microtransaction in my life. This article's stupid or maybe video game players are. They have contribited more than some few shaddy moves that someone else did or would have done regardless of who took the lead on it first. People are in control ofwhat they do

DerfDerf1697d ago

It's definitely gamers as a whole. Unfortunately quite a few of them are simply idiots.

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notachance1697d ago

@ndonnine if n4g loves click bait and bullshit this site would consist of 90% MS fanboys because that's what they're doing all this gen

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Soybetaboy1697d ago

Wow what a reliable source
Let me quote some guy and call it "FACTS".

AspiringProGenji1697d ago

Except I didn’t call it facts

CorndogBurglar1697d ago

It's in quotes. And he named the person that said it. He never claimed it was a fact. Do you think anything with quotations around it is supposed to be a fact? That isn't how things work.

Soybetaboy1697d ago

Then why bother quoting.....exactly

Godmars2901697d ago

Sadly, those were the days when COD dominated the gaming scene. Did its own level of damage to creativity as all companies made clones.

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Father__Merrin1697d ago

xbox OG was excellent especially the clancy games, 360 was superb loved it, xbox one was drab from the begining with hardly any games of note just the same games from last generation ie gears forza halo. microsoft now are selling on average 40k consoles per week its a dying console and ppl on here still feel the need to support them even with no games, whilst the competition soars ahead.....

Godmars2901697d ago

Sadly, MS's tone deafness regarding game development has been on display since OG Xbox. They may have started big with and even had some successes with the likes of Ninja Gaiden and Splinter Cell, but when multiplayer came to Halo, that was pretty much it.

RizBiz1696d ago

What was superb about the 360? It's impressive failure rate?

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nitus101696d ago

@someone72

I still have my fully working FAT PS3 which I brought day one of release.

Father__Merrin1696d ago

it had a massivly impressibe library of games 2007-2009 i much favoured it over ps3 at the time

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Report: Sexual Misconduct Investigation Conducted at EA, Suspects Named and What They Did Revealed

EA senior staff has been investigated for sexual misconduct involving female coworkers, and these said people have been named publicly.

isarai14h ago

Aye just call Phil, i mean he somehow made Bobby Kotick's scandal disappear and gave him a few million dollar high five on the way out.

Cacabunga5h ago

I wonder if it will be censored with some in game ads.

XiNatsuDragnel11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

EA about to go down like Activision and then Phil saves the day saying.this is good for the industry and consolidation will help create competition. /s.

ravens529h ago

What's up with all these horny creeps. You gon be horny, fine. Just not at work take care of that shit before you go in. Rub one out if you have to. Don't be a creep at all. ESPECIALLY at work. But don't be one AT ALL.

Extermin8or3_4h ago

I mean part of the issue is that things transpired outside of work....

KwietStorm_BLM4h ago

You think deviants care where they are? Work sometimes makes it an even better situation for them because they can abuse their power.

NotoriousWhiz8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

"it seems that according to EA, given the events transpired outside of work between two adults, and the fact that once investigation has started that the alleged perpetrators didn’t do it again, the investigation is considered closed. [...] The victim still has to work with the people that harassed her."

Yep, EA is disgusting.

Extermin8or3_4h ago

I mean the fact stuff happened outside of work puts EA in quite a difficult position legally. These women don't seem to have reported the matter to the police which kinda ties EA's hands on what they can do. If they don't file reports of the crimes then yeah from EA's perspective it is stuff that happened outside of work. The only exception is the guy that apparently referenced things in the slack channel for work, spending on what he said proving it may be very hard and he may well be able to get away with plausible deniability. I don't like EA and I think these people need to be dismissed but without any legal action being taken, EA can't really do much without risk of being sued themselves for unfair dismissal etc.

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Former Deviation Games Devs Have Formed A New Studio At PlayStation To Work On A New IP

Former Deviation Games developers have formed a new studio at Sony Interactive Entertainment in order to work on a brand new PlayStation IP.

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Tacoboto1d 1h ago

Well that's an awesome and very surprising turnaround. Cheers to the new studio and what they'll build!

RaidenBlack22h ago

Likely to continue their FPS project

Cacabunga10h ago

It is not about money it is about talent.. get that talent in and they will take care of you and earn you that money

Eonjay10h ago

I had picked up on this before the Deviation shutdown was announced. It was pointed out that a senior manager of the team had joined PlayStation prior to the close. It was a little suspicious because from the outside in, it appeared had basically poached Deviation's talent.

Reading some of the other comments it seems this is understood to be the case.

In other news it would be wild if Sony winds up announcing a brand new internal studio.

isarai20h ago

That's..... confusing, so shut down but just reformed and same employer 🤔 sounds like pretty much what happened to Japan Studio basically just being rebranded as Asobi

ocelot0719h ago

It is odd one I don't know how business deals work or the law of that kind of stuff. But is it possible Sony reached out and said hey we want you apart of Sony but don't want to purchase you for what ever reason. How about use disband and we will open a studio and hire you guys type of thing. Is that even possible?

isarai19h ago

Maybe it's to void/bypass some contract? I have no clue

VersusDMC15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

I guess the deviation team fell apart and didn't deliver good progress on what they pitched (they overhyped themselves when the team was announced)so Sony shut them down. They regrouped with a new team and a new pitch so Sony is giving them another shot.

And this time they are keeping it quiet to keep pressure down on the team. So people aren't asking everyday what deviation(or whatever the new team is called) is doing.

Edit: Also Sony never owned them. They just ended their partnership with them. Deviation decided to close on their own.

outsider162415h ago

Good point. You know, i was thinking of Days Gone too. They pitch an idea to Sony for Days Gone 2 but Sony didnt like it do they scrapped the whole thing. Maybe if a good pitch came by...they'd reconsider it.

isarai14h ago

That makes a bit more sense

lodossrage13h ago

To be fair, Sony didn't shut them down. Devation was independent. Sony pulled funding on the project they were working on. As a result, they couldn't run so Devation decided to close on their own.

MrBaskerville10h ago

Maybe it's a good team but sony changed plans?

Plague-Doctor273h ago

https://imgur.com/HhYbZDi

The management at Deviation was reportedly a problem. Sony cut their funding and when the studio layoffs began they bought the talent back up

Lightning773h ago

It's probably cheaper to grab the talent than to anage a full studio as a second party.

Maybe we see the game at the PS showcase?

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roboteye15h ago

If this was MS they'd be gone.

Goodguy0115h ago

Maybe make a smaller game this time?

Elda14h ago

Good for them that they were able to work it out. Hopefully they're developing something interesting.

Rainbowcookie13h ago

I think Sony is thinking long term as a replacement for Call of Duty M$ edition.

lodossrage6h ago

If they can pull off at least 2 more games similar to Helldivers 2 they won't have to worry about that COD deal anymore (my personal opinion, not fact)

-Foxtrot4h ago

The best thing they can do is make something old school based

The issue with COD is that it's so over the top and arcade like now where it feels more like you are relying on gimmicks and what you've unlocked rather than skill.

If they can create an old school like first person shooter where "less is more" and not a game that relies on a drip feed road map then they'll get some attention.

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic188121h ago(Edited 21h ago)

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus2311h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos2h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb331h ago

i think you are really missing the point

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SonyStyled17h ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies5h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

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jwillj2k421h ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot20h ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

Jon6158656m ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

RNTody20h ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead10h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage3h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast19h ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn197919h ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel11h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn197935m ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage3h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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