Exclusively Games writes:
''Is it possible to love a property so much that you’re blinded by that love to the point that you disrespect and hurt the ones who make it?
We, as fans, get too passionate at times that we go after the creators of our beloved games with no regard for their feelings or artistic vision.''
GB: "We take a look at 15 amazing games that had the perfect length."
Pretty good list. Botany Manor would be the newest addition that encapsulates that title.
Talal writes: "I'm talking about having that rush of excitement - that feeling you get when you know you've just made a memory for a lifetime."
There are different games. Some have gamplay at it highest priority, some have the story, some have the replay value and choices... There are a lot of different game experiences.
It is laughable that just now graphics does not have anything to do with that experiene. We have had many games of that type over time. This is just the one that have come closest to feel like playing an actual movie. Just look the the Digital foundry walkthrough it is a masterpiece in that perspective and hence wrth trying. But yes do not do it for the gameplay - but that was never the goal of this experience.
It's because it's on Xbox. When Xbox has amazing graphics, they don't matter. When PlayStation does, it's a game changer!
Pretty much my thoughts. They were technical marvel's on PS and still are. The moment Xbox puts out a graphically intense game is doesn't matter suddenly.
4 years ago this month would the UE5 tech demo debut with the girl flying (tech demo said it was only possible on PS5 because of the SSD. Glad to finally see it in its glory.
FFS, gaming journalism has really gone downhill. At least hire people with a basic grasp of grammar... "Me neither" means the exact opposite of what the "author" is trying to say. That's like saying "I could care less"... lol.
Maybe because the gameplay being dull allowed it to have the amazing graphics and people are not as impressed by graphics alone anymore? I mean there is a lot of sites saying the story and the gameplay are lackluster. So what are we supposed to enjoy then? Cgi graphics are beautiful but since they arent interactive, they dont impress me as much as they used to. Thats an extreme example, but you get my drift.
When Playstation (Sony) does it..its usually a great game and not a cinematic experience..or at least something new at the time..like Until Dawn back in 2015.
@gamer:” It's because it's on Xbox. When Xbox has amazing graphics, they don't matter. When PlayStation does, it's a game changer!”
The game looks as good as any other PlayStation game in my eyes why can’t you and the other hardcore Xbox be happy about it and drag PlayStation into every conversation and force PlayStation hardcore to look into the game and find flaw that most games have in one way or another.
@light: “ 4 years ago this month would the UE5 tech demo debut with the girl flying (tech demo said it was only possible on PS5 because of the SSD. ”
Yes at that time it was only possible on PlayStation SSD how ignorant of you to think that after 4 years the technology wouldn’t evolved and move to a industry standard 🤦🏿I wish your mentality wasn’t so naive and narrow to post stuff like that 😩 in a year or 2 a new game will come out that might look better, it’s the nature of the industry.
Now that the distraction is gone I feel that is a good thing that the graphics in games are starting to hit the rooftop and hopefully the developers will put more thoughts into story and gameplay mechanics than just the next shiny oily skin of old.
So true. Not surprised by all the negativity. It's a really good game and looks better than any game I've ever seen. GOTY nominee for sure. Like I said before, sony screwed up big time by not purchasing Ninja Theory.
Pretty much. It's like how the Switch and Steam controller using haptic feedback in their controllers wasn't a big deal but then Sony did it and it was then a "game changer".
The game runs at as low as 21fps... That isn't much to brag about no matter how good it looks.
We've had graphical gamechangers before, such as Crysis but those games still had gameplay to compliment it. Hellblade pretty much has none, and only achieved such graphics through being incredibly linear and having very small, closed off environments where very little is happening.
GFX does not mean anything if the game is boring. It is simple like that and these major companies need to understand this simple concept.
Games are like your lady, she may be beautiful to look at for a while but then it gets boring if her character isn't interesting and fun to be with.
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So until dawn, too human, or whatever those series of games were... Graphic masterpieces it garbage with no gameplay?
I agree and I actually think Forbidden West looks better than Hellblade 2. I easily prefer looking at it at least.
It does look better in my opinion as well. I don't know why it looks better but there's something about the Decima engine or that guerrilla games is using tricks that we don't know of
Can you fly a mount under water in Hellblade 2? I think not! One of the best moments this Gen
They don't make games like this anymore.
Too dated in my book. The AI is way too unpredictable to be acceptable today. It's definitely a game of its time.
Agreed with those sentiments. The quality of the CPU controlled characters make or break a stealth game and they are pretty poor in all the Splinter Cell games by today's standard. This is what led me to playing Spies vs Mercs all the time in later games just to get a better stealth experience from a real person. Arguably Sony are making better stealth games albeit not Tom Clancy stuff.
You should stick with fortnite or one of the countless bloodborne style games then. What a joke.
I had a good time with the game. It is a product of its time. But when it came out it was a must have game for a lot of people. I wish Ubisoft would make another game in the series or at least a reboot.
They are making a remake, I think. I loved the original game when it was released, but I tried to play it again in recent years and just couldn't get on with it. The same with the older Hitman games.
Yeah chaos theory still holds up though I gotta say. If you’re a fan of the series I highly suggest you go back to that one. Ubi has said they are remaking sc for “modern audiences”. I don’t have a lot of faith for the future of that company
Due to the lack of modern stealth games, and me constantly playing the MGS series, I've been looking for alternative stealth games to play, and went back and re-played the SC series recently. I wouldn't call SC1 or SC:PT masterpieces, there are AI issues, they're very much trial-and-error games, and that can lead to a lot of frustration. I also found the stories in this series to be boring, uninteresting, and just sloppily told. Cinematics are also of poor quality for both in-game scenes and CG cut-scenes, the soundtrack didn't leave any impression on me either.
Chaos Theory is better, but there was still a lot of room for improvement, and Double Agent (old gen ver.) was a sloppy mess that ended up a regression from CT. But still, at least they tried back then, these days Ubi-junk doesn't even try to make good games!
Everyone needs to quit with all of the unnessacery Ubi-hate. SC Conviction and Blacklist are both still good games.
Everyone needs to quit with all of the unnecessary Ubi-hate. SC Conviction and Blacklist are both still good games, they just weren't 100% focused on stealth with Conviction and they remedied that in Blacklist. The only thing they have released recently that I was disappointed with was Watch Dogs Legion, and Skull & Bones. Everyone seems to be salty about the misleading trailer for the original Watch Dogs and The Division. Which are also, both good games, and actually Watch Dogs seems like it was ahead of its time even with all the trailer drama (having gone back and played recently, can say the game didnt deserve all the flak). Yeah the misleading E3 trailer that had better graphics than release is understandable to a very small degree, when most Teaser Trailers, or Game Demo's only have that portion of the game developed so they use the highest quality assets of w/e they have being showed, or what they are showing was made purely for the showing, allowing for extra polish . As to the gripes about minor game design changes, or cut features upon a games release just goes to show how unknowledgeable most gamers are in terms of how game development works or to even understand what what the hell a WIP, let alone titles still in early development.
Good games from Ubi since 2014 (Year that SC Blacklist Released) include:
Watch Dogs 1 & 2
The Division 1 & 2 (Although I had a hard time getting into The Division 2 at first)
R6 Siege
Ghost Recon Wildlands & Breakpoint
Immortals Fenyx Rising
AC Origins, Odyssey, MIrage (Haven't finished Valhalla games too damn long)
Far Cry Primal, and 5 (6 also has a length issue)
Avatar Frontiers of Pandora
Prince Of Persia The Lost Crown
Haven't played a couple of titles those being For Honor (played at launch but didn't honestly give it an actual go), The Crew, R6 Extraction and at the time of writing this xDefiant.
Even if you absolutely hated any of the above titles, they aren't inherently bad games, they're just good, but not always top quality either.
I say give Ubi credit where credit is due, they at least fix games post launch if they start out rough, Breakpoint is an excellent example this and is such an enjoyable experience now compared to it's launch.
Fans have every right to criticize and complain about any product they want to. They even have the right to organize a boycott towards that product, if they so choose to. They don’t have the right to threaten someone with death or make false accusations of rape against anyone. Their are laws on the books already for those actions.
If fans wants to “downvote” something, or review bomb something, or go on a third party website like reddit and organize a boycott, as long as it’s within the law and that private website’s guidelines, I have no problem with such actions.
We do get out of hand sometimes. We love this medium, its our hobby and favorite pass time. But we also need to be put in check. I'm taking about threats against studios and people who work there. These actions are totally unacceptable.
That said...
"We, as fans, get too passionate at times that we go after the creators of our beloved games with no regard for their feelings or artistic vision."
What artistic vision? Feelings? Is this the late 90's? Today most studios are following a spreadsheet handed by their corporate masters(exceptions exist, of course, but are far between). They have to follow quotas on everything even Meta scores. They have to add monetization features. They have to design games in parts so they can drip-feat them to us over time, for a price of course.
Those that are left, the true artists, still unhindered by corporate manipulation are few and far between and all of them are struggling or will be at some point due to an overwhelming AAA industry and their deep pockets/influence grabbing the attention ($$$) of the press and discussions everywhere while "smothering" out everyone else.
So lets not pretend that these corporate puppets dont deserve our(civil) upheaval when they get out of line.
While there is definitely truth to these statements lets not ignore why there appears to be more outspoken gamers in this day and age. It's because game execs and publishers interfere with our favourite franchises and developers and gut out microtransactions bs.
There is definitely some unnecessary actions such as gamers review bombing Astral Chain (I would add Borderlands 3 but I think that game deserves it) but lets not forget the other side where sometimes fans needs to speak out otherwise gaming as we know it will be dead and we'll only have mobile games filled to the brim with microtransactions.
Imagine that you really like the Ford Focus, that you've purchased every generation of Ford Focus.
They don't offer the best drive, they don't have the best specs, nor do they look the prettiest... But you're happy with what you're buying, and you really, really like the seats over other cars... Even if every generation has been slowly removing more standard specs.
Anyway, Ford unveil their brand new generation of Focus. You're excited, you've supported Ford for years and you're happy to buy the next generation...
Only it costs more previous generations, it's basically the last generation with one of the wing mirrors painted (it's not even a full paintjob, it looks pretty ugly), and plastic chairs.
The chairs were the one thing Ford shouldn't have messed with, you would have been happy with them removing more specs, but you can't stand plastic chairs. Or if they were going to give you plastic chairs and keep the same price, they should at least have the car fully kitted out to rival expensive audis or mercedes.
So you voice your displeasure, as a long time customer you're not happy with this. Only for car journalists to attack you and others, calling you "entitled" and "toxic".
NO other industry treats their customers in this manner, and it sounds dumb when you apply it to other industries. We have a choice in what we want to buy and we're fully within our right not to buy something, and voice our displeasure.