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Sony Changed Two Major PS4 Features and Proved That Microsoft is Making Smart Moves with Xbox One

Microsoft's Xbox One has gotten much better over the past five years, and it's forcing Sony to make some major changes to the PlayStation 4.

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Nyxus2068d ago

"Cross-play, the most important change to the game industry since polygonal graphics"

Really?

NecrumOddBoy2068d ago

I didn't know that it was since cross play has existed well before Microsoft's tactic of making it a relevant reason to buy the floundering Xbone over a much more successful PS4.

Eonjay2066d ago

Sony has always at every point this gen HAD more cross play titles than the other consoles combined. This just sounds like more moneyhatted brainwashing.

Aeery2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

"Cross-play, the most important change to the game industry since polygonal graphics"

This sentence is almost disturbing !

Obscure_Observer2066d ago

@NecrumOddBoy

Crossplay exists by some time. But Microsoft will aways be remembered as the company which pushed crossplay between CONSOLES foward!

sinspirit2066d ago

@Obscure_Observer

Yes, in retaliation to poor sales and for their desperate attempts to try and look pro-consumer while taking every chance to make Sony seem like the bad guy since all MS does is post misleading numbers whenever possible to make it look successful, and their new controller designs every month.

It will also be them remembered as hypocrites for denying cross-play between consoles on PS3 and PS4, which Sony wanted, and them only now pushing it since their sales are dwindling. If they hadn't disagreed in the past then Sony wouldn't have declined them for so long. We already know that they've been transitioning the XBox into more of a SteamOS-type environment. While they won't use SteamOS, with crossplay, XBox players will still pay for Live to play against PC gamers that play for free.

UltraNova2066d ago

Obscure, to new gamers a big fat maybe...yo gamers who have been around for decades they'll always be remembered as the company that abandons their platform 2 years before next gen, the company that tries to kill used games and the company that forced paid online on consoles.

PapaBop2066d ago

@Obscure_Observer

No Microsoft will always be remembered as the company that wanted gamers to check in every 24 hours in order to have a functioning games console.

CarlDechance2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

@Obscure_Observer

"But Microsoft will aways be remembered as the company which pushed crossplay between CONSOLES foward! "

Wow....such a fanboy viewpoint. But you are the last person who should be talking about what company "pushed crossplay". Just the other day you were yapping at me about how Epic had said "nothing" about cross play. I posted three quotes from Epic CEO Tim Sweeney. You are simply ill-informed and really have no idea what you are talking about. You are just a MS cheerleader.

IcedOmega132066d ago

right?... I remember playing my dreamcast copy of 4x4 evolution against people on PC...

fr0sty2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

Sony was the first to bring cross play to consoles back in the PS3 days with Portal... they just didn't let Xbox gamers play in their ecosystem until now. Microsoft raised a big stink, developers jumped on board, Sony relented, and now Microsoft are the innovators?

darthv722066d ago

Crossplay existed long before Sony or MS did anything related. Hell I can still play Quake 3 on my DC against a PC in my home.

As far as platform vs platform play... I have wanted that since back when there was the xband modem on the Genesis and the SNES. It may have taken a lot longer than it should but I welcome that evolutionary step in online gaming communications.

Babadook72065d ago (Edited 2065d ago )

Bitching and complaining about your competition is a smart move. Ok then.

I give Sony all the credit here. They asked for cross play first. It was they who were the bigger man and caved when it benefited their competitors. Microsoft wouldn’t do it during the 360 days.

darthv722065d ago (Edited 2065d ago )

@dook... that's not exactly true. Sony was indifferent last gen on the subject. I believe they said it was up to the individual game publishers/developers if they wanted to pursue that. Then MS said no and somehow it came back to being a Sony issue when Sony was neither onboard nor against the idea.

This gen, however, it was MS that has said they want to do it so it's the first time a platform holder has been onboard with doing such a thing. So with MS offering up their support and devs/pubs also saying they want to do it... it then became on Sony to accept the olive branch.

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P_Bomb2068d ago

EZ Ben. I’ve been cross platform on DCUO for years but you never noticed because.....?

I don’t get the bleeding goodwill comment. They do two things people have been asking for only to find themselves “bleeding goodwill?” Damned if you do damned if you don’t.

sampsonon2066d ago

Sony just signed the death warrant for PS.

KickSpinFilter2066d ago

Sony gonna come out with the PS5 in 2020 with good price point, TLOU2 at launch, with Backwards compatibility with PS4 games. Plus these two things. Na... more like Sony just signed the death warrant for the next XB

sampsonon2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

@KickSpinFilter: sorry to burst your bubble but TLoU2 is rumored to be released next year. tired of trying to explain the ramifications of this move.

you own a restaurant and you sell great burgers. You sell 500 burgers each day and the place is the most popular in town. what would happen if you allowed people to bring burgers from your competitor into your restaurant? if you don't allow them to to bring food in they will be forced to buy your burgers. but once people can buy a burger and bring it in you lose revenue, and when that happens you will either have to raise prices a bit or let go of some employees.

sony is allowing a competitor to bring their burgers into their restaurant.

how many people bought a ps4 because they wanted to play with their friends that own a ps4? 80 million sold so it would be a lot of consoles.

think this will be my last comment on this subject.
If people are so blind i give up

pyroxxx2066d ago

Xbox has no reason to exist,...

2pacalypsenow2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

Nah PS will be fine.

sinspirit2066d ago

So, why would it be the most popular console that would suffer the most from this?

Also, burgers aren't constant existences able to be accessed continuously. Bad metaphor.

MS is transitioning back to the PC game. It's been obvious for years now. The way they want to control updates is to create more Windows Marketplace traffic.

Crossplatform was to ensure they had relations to keep enough players online for their Live customers, aka future Windows Marketplace users. When they launched Windows Live it couldn't keep players at all even after removing the fee.

AmUnRa2066d ago

You are just delusional and have non argument that Sony signed the "dead warrant".
For PS. Please give me your argument, if you cant that will be saying enough.🙄

SarsOxley2066d ago

Haha! Sony makes rice cookers, TVs, consoles, select titles and a bunch of other stuff but, not burgers :).
If they did make burgers though, they would be exclusive burgers and I wouldn't be able to get that exact tasty burger experience from anywhere else...now a 99 cent coke that every burger joint sells and is made by someone else that they make a paltry amount for every time they sell...wouldn't hurt to let someone drink their Activision coke in the swanky Sony dining room while talking to someone on the phone in Microsofts hipster hot dog stand also drinking an Activision coke because they are there to have easy access to that one of a kind Spider Burger and that's what keeps bringing them back.

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Nodoze2066d ago

LOL, yeah ok. Have used it a grand total of.....NEVER. Fortnite is garbage and it's time will pass soon enough (not soon enough for some). I am happy some are enjoying it, and that it is working to attract more people to gaming but that is about it.

Cross play was not something I was, or am interested in.

Zeref2065d ago

You dont have friends that own different consoles?

rainslacker2066d ago

I'd say online play is probably the most important change to the game industry. After that, the uptake of mobile and self-publishing.

Cross play has been around long enough that its not really an important change anymore. It didn't matter much when it first happened, or when it was pushed more, and it really doesn't matter that much now. It's not going to fundamentally change the industry in any way, nor will it really have much effect on the end user to a huge degree.

Obscure_Observer2066d ago

@rainslacker

"It's not going to fundamentally change the industry in any way, nor will it really have much effect on the end user to a huge degree."

Only your head, otherwise Sony would do what you were saying/expecting, which was, crossplay for next gen Playstation. The notion that you have about crossplay as not important is not what Sony thinks. Fact.

rainslacker2066d ago

You know what Sony is thinking?

And what's this new thing with everyone putting fact at the end of their comment as if that somehow solidifies their statement as some kind of fact?

I never once thought or said I expect Sony to do it next gen. I always maintained that there was something holding it up, probably on the back end, and if the powers that be could work something out, and were trying to work something out, then it would happen, if not, then it wouldn't happen.

We've certainly had the conversation enough times that you couldn't have possibly forgotten that. Or did you really not listen to anything I've said for the last two years?

Anyhow, cross play isn't really that important. The industry was fine without it. It didn't change much once we had it, and its unlikely to change much going forward. It's a good end user feature, and those devs that want to use it for the consumers benefit, or for their own, can now do so. But if they couldn't the industry would still go on. The industry is growing, and has despite the lack of cross console play.

Explain to me exactly what will change so drastically for the industry that it makes it an important change. Explain what would be hindered in the grand scheme of things if everything stayed the way it was.

neutralgamer19922066d ago

I know Xbox one isn't doing the most important thing right and that's AAA exclusives

Rest of features are just that extra features

Hardiman2066d ago

If it were me those are the articles I'd be pushing! Where are the new exciting IP's and how come some are able to pull this off yet the most powerful stumble!

JackBNimble2066d ago

I'm willing to bet that most AAA multiplat games in the future still will not use this as a feature.

KwietStorm_BLM2066d ago

I've been an advocate for the benefits of crossplay for the industry, regardless if it matters to you as an individual or not...but yea that is one silly ass statement lol

FyBy2066d ago

Agreed! I never needed crossplay while playing online. Never needed crossplay during online play in my whole life.

Raiden2066d ago

@Fyby
So you only play single narive titles and put it down, you never wanted to test your gaming skills against your competing console counterpart, who is better which system gives its gamers great evolution COD FIFA F1 These are games that pushes your skill. If not there is nothing wrong with that, but it's the closest we're going to get towards a fairly fair competition because we console owners stand no chance playing against PC gamers

RememberThe3572065d ago (Edited 2065d ago )

@Raiden
Your agrument for cross play is that with out it you can't play against other people online? Or is it that without it you can't have PS4 vs Xbone matches (which I don't think will ever be a thing even with cross play)?

We can compete amungst ourselves just fine. I'm not a pro gamer, I don't need to put my skills against the best players from other platforms to enjoy myself.

bluefox7552066d ago

Hard to take anything in this article seriously after that, I lol'd.

Zeref2066d ago

downplaying crossplay just because your favorite platform doesn't do it. Smh...you guys aren't real gamers.

Nyxus2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

First off, PS4 does support cross-play now. Secondly, downplaying? Just because I don't agree with that ridiculous hyperbolic statement? Can anyone seriously sit there with a straight face and tell me cross-play is the most important chance since 3D graphics?

RememberThe3572065d ago

Cross play doesn't matter and won't change anything. I play video games everyday but I guess they aren't real games and I'm just hallucinating.

trooper_2066d ago

Biggest load of crapola I've ever read.

jacksmith562066d ago

i agree with you the biggest change is going to be read dead and cybur punk

feedthereaper2066d ago

It is one of the biggest changes..... because it makes console hardware less relevant than the content now. It is like how we all use Facebook on Android but all use different phones to run that Android.
10 years from now, other hardware manufacturers will be developing much cheaper hardware, not to gain an advantage on hardware sales, but simply because they can offer the exact same games to an already large audience.

RememberThe3572065d ago

Do you think every game from now on is going to have cross play as a feature?

Also, your describing the PC market with your last point. With your Steam or Origin account you can play on whatever PC you want.

Why do consoles need to be like PCs when we already have PCs?

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PhoenixUp2068d ago

“Suddenly, "Minecraft" players on Xbox One could play with iPhone and PC and even Nintendo Switch players. There was just one notable exception: Sony's PlayStation 4. It continues to be the exception, and it's not a measure of Microsoft not working with Sony - Sony apparently halted talks.”

Pretty sure Microsoft has Switch owners using Microsoft accounts in order to do cross platform play. Safe to say Sony wouldn’t want any of that.

“What Sony is missing, however, is Microsoft's bigger play with Xbox Game Pass and cross-play: An overall move away from dependence on the Xbox as a hardware platform, and a move toward Xbox as a service available on a variety of devices.”

The author says that like it’s a good thing to move away from hardware dependence.

letsa_go2066d ago

It is Business Insider. Of course they are going to write it from a perspective that is good for businesses and not consumers.

Raiden2065d ago

Sorry, but how do businesses work again, if the industry is trying to evolve and the most successful Gaming console of this generation company can't follow the market, then good luck to it future, crossplay cross progression is important and Sony must understand this, look at ps vita, it would have been the perfect play anywhere hardware for those long journey, but no short sightedness on Sony own path cause this to be no more, look at the switch, 200 games on the move, look at tablets with access to steam, my point is not what Sony wants but the options to the gaming public, some people believe this is all a money grab by MS, well i can't answer that, but i am going to point out that almost everything that MS was going to do has started to happen in the industry, DRM lol you come home from work BANG the game you're about to play has a 4gd load so you play another game while you wait which then takes longer, look at google alexa and Amazon voice command devices, these devices are only on the market now, MS see the future of technology and where it heading, if PC are to evolve then consoles must become as powerful as PC, WE ONLY KNOW OUR LIMITATIONS WHEN WE CAN NO LONGER EVOLVE.

rainslacker2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

Sony didn't halt talks. Sony wouldn't allow MS to provide updates through its own servers and require that an XBL account was needed to actually get an update. That is their policy for everyone. They distribute the updates, which are compliance tested, and charged for. Said update can not ever be locked behind a secondary account. MS could have removed this policy, and cross progression features could have been provided, and if MS wanted to, they could have allowed cross play with PC, and maybe at the same time started talks about allowing it with X1 for the game instead of taking the route they did.

Example. One can update FFXIV to their hearts content without every logging in with an account. You'll need an account to play, but that's about it.

MS didn't like this policy, so they took their toys and went home, thus locking out PS players from getting the updates, and the new features being rendered unavailable on PS.

This minecraft thing should not be placed on Sony, as it is entirely MS decision to restrict the content from PS players.

conanlifts2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

That's actually incorrect. As I stated above MS have unified purchases for Minecraft, which requires an xbox account to verify. Unified purchases are a very good thing, it means we do not have to buy things repeatedly for each platform. There is no other way to verify purchases cross platform without a unified account. Sony have blocked it as they only want people buying content from them. In addition Minecraft on PS4 still gets updates. But here is a link to what I am talking about.

"btw when I was at Sony, the stated reason internally for this was money. They didn’t like someone buying something on an Xbox and it being used on a Playstation. simple as that. dumb reason, but there it is.
— John Smedley"

Read more at http://www.playstationlifes...

rainslacker2066d ago

Except that's not what prevented Sony from approving XBL accounts on the PS4. They refused it because MS wanted to control the updates itself. There are other unified accounts on the PS platform, that require a 3rd party account to access.

They don't have any problem with doing this with FFXIV, SF5, Warframe, Mass Effect 3, or any other number of games.

Yes, Minecraft gets updates on PS4, but they don't get the new features that MS has, because MS wants to control the updates, and force a XBL account for those updates. But Sony's own policies don't disallow 3rd party accounts on the platform, and in the case of Minecraft, Sony still distributes the updates through its platform.

conanlifts2066d ago

"There are other unified accounts on the PS platform, that require a 3rd party account to access."

Pretty sure none of these allow crossplatform purchases, which is what I am specifically referencing and the reason ms need to control updates etc.
Also to my knowledge Warframe is not cross platform. Personally I game on all of the consoles and therefore crossplatform purchases are a huge must have.

kneon2066d ago

When you can't compete on hardware then you might as well move away from depending on hardware.

conanlifts2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

"Pretty sure Microsoft has Switch owners using Microsoft accounts in order to do cross platform play. Safe to say Sony wouldn’t want any of that. "

Yes they do, but Sony is against it for reasons that are not in the benefit of consumers. Microsoft have said that all purchases you make are linked to your online account. So if you buy mods or add ons for Minecraft they are universal and work on any system. The caveat is you need to log in to your Microsoft account to link your purchases. This is how your purchases are unified. How else can it be done. Sony on the other hand have publicly stated they do not want people buying content on other platforms and using it on theirs as they get no money from it.

"So playstation is the only platform not allowing cross purchases for Minecraft in this case.
btw when I was at Sony, the stated reason internally for this was money. They didn’t like someone buying something on an Xbox and it being used on a Playstation. simple as that. dumb reason, but there it is.
— John Smedley"

Read more at http://www.playstationlifes...

http://www.playstationlifes...

http://www.playstationlifes...

Silly gameAr2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

Here we go with this anti consumer trash again. If I was running a business, I wouldn't want to hand my customers over to the competition either. Why is that hard to understand?

conanlifts2065d ago

@silly gamear.
So do you think it is fine for 1 Company to refuse to let purchases for a game to carry over to other platforms. Particularly when every other platform allows it for these games?

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jznrpg2066d ago

Xbox fans want features not games duh

NeoGamer2322066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

No, that is not true. As a primarily xbox gamer I want GAMES and FEATURES. MS has to improve the games for sure.

And so do most gamers. Whether it be achievements/trophies, apps like Netflix, Blu-ra/DVD/CD, game streaming, profiles, EA Access/Game Pass, PSN Plus/XB LIve Gold, etc. gamers all want features as well as games. It just makes the console more valuable and useful when it can do more than games.

Soulrakk2066d ago

can we stop generalizing an entire fanbase based on childish insults?

how about appreciating what every brand brings to the table? or is a level mind too much to ask for?

it's amazing how much people really hype up and ride with these corporations. my god. both these companies feed off each other and that's a GOOD thing. both have led, stumbled and moved forward by learning from each other. if you're preference is sony, great. the need to tear down microsoft for it though, is fucking assinine.

masterfox2068d ago

hmmm I would really want know what kind of stuff is the xbox one doing better or smart moves, I'm saying this because I still don't care one bit about purchasing that thing and this is mostly because their exclusive games just sucks imo(if they have any) , multiplataform games doesn't match the high quality of the PS4 games , so what exactly are doing right? , play 360 games ?, game pass to play their "exclusives" ?, xbox one X way expensive console that doesn't prove his so called power in games ?.

When xbox start having awesome exclusives games and I mean new ones so until then we can safely say they are definitely doing the right moves or smart moves but until then currently and sorry for say this but the xbox is submerged in mediocrity right now.

DarkkMinion2066d ago

Replace the words xbox one with PS4 and PS4 with xbox and it will make more sense. For example: "When PS4 start having awesome exclusives games and I mean new ones so until then we can safely say they are definitely doing the right moves or smart moves but until then currently and sorry for say this but the PS4 is submerged in mediocrity right now."

AmUnRa2066d ago (Edited 2066d ago )

DMinion: "PS4 is submerged in mediocrity right now".

WTF?? What have i been reading right now? Please explain your self cous i can make nothing of that rediculous steatment.

Atanasrikard2066d ago

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Not to put words in his mouth but I believe darkkminion's point is that everything that guy said is completely subjective and other people can feel the opposite of someone else in a subjective statement.

Hardiman2068d ago

Cross-play is a feature, a feature but games are the main course and the reason we are here in the first place! Also I know there are games for Xbox but what Im talking about is where are the Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Emipres, Strangers Wraths, the Splinter Cells or Otogis or the Mass Effects, the Bio Shocks or the Blue Dragons that the Xbox and 360 had?!?!

Sure some would say those series went multiplat or don't exist anymore but they all started on Xbox so if it happened before why isn't it happening now Mr Phil?

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10 Biggest Xbox Mistakes of All Time (So Far)

The Xbox brand has done a lot of good over the years, but their various blunders are pretty wild to look back on in their magnitude.

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piroh4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Ironically number 9 can save them at this point (releasing games on multiple platforms)

ChasterMies2d ago

By “save them” you mean make more profit for Microsoft. Xbox will still be a dying hardware platform.

OtterX3d ago

You could add the naming scheme for the consoles, it just confuses customers. I know they wanted to avoid traditional numbering bc it would always be lower than their competitor, but this whole 360 then One then Series thing is confusing af. Imagine a Soccer Mom trying to figure this stuff out. I still mistakenly call the Series X the One from time to time on accident.

RNTody3d ago

Don't forget about the Xbox One, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X! Good luck to Soccer moms around the world.

S2Killinit2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

They did that on purpose to confuse and direct attention away from the generational numbering.

MS doesn’t like reminding people that they joined the industry after others had already been involved in gaming.

For instance, they called the xbox “360” to combat PlayStation “3” because they wanted to seem like “more” than “3”, so instead of xbox 2, they opted for xbox 360. Also this had the additional benefit of selling consoles to uninformed parents who might purchase a “360” instead of a “3” by mistake, or because they thought 360 was more than 3. Kind of a disingenuous move.

They have been continuing with their confusing naming patterns for pretty much the same reasons. Frankly, it fits with who and what they are as a brand.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago

I can understand their reasoning, but whoever came up with that naming scheme should be fired, bad naming schemes have killed consoles (I'm pretty sure it was the major reason for the downfall of the WiiU). They should have had unqiue names like Nintendo and Sega have had for their consoles, far less confusing for the consumer.

Cacabunga3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Phil Spencer is the worst that has happened to Xbox.
They built a respectable brand up to Xbox one. Then this guy took over and things became a joke

Reaper22_3d ago

He still has his job. Something you can't say about Jim Ryan.

Cacabunga3d ago

Both bad execs. One is on job and one thankfully retired.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I didn't like either person, both people damaged their respective brands and produced worse outcomes, but Phil did save the Xbox brand from being retired by Microsoft. Although in hindsight, he should have just let it die, rather than languish in limbo like it is now.

Rainbowcookie1d 16h ago

Yeah but the one that was "bad" didn't even affect sales.

bunt-custardly3d ago

Phil Spencer was also on the team back when 360 was around, alongside Shane Kim, Peter Moore etc. I think the damage that did the most harm was the Don Mattrick "Always Online" console (ahead of its time basically). They handed Sony and Nintendo a free-pass when that was revealed. It went downhill from there. Then the corporate machine went into full swing to try and recover. They have to a degree as a games company for the masses, and less so for the core gamer. Outside USA, the Xbox brand does not sell as well as Japanese based consoles (citation needed).

Cacabunga3d ago

Want a decision maker. The always online and TV plans was a disaster yes, but they caught up by announcing 1st party games that gamers actually kept the hype going.. until this moron took over and introduced the PC day one release.. e all know where that ended..

S2Killinit2d ago

I dont think they were ever a respectable brand, not since the beginning, when their goal was never to be involved and share in the gaming space. I think the OG xbox was an exception because MS as a brand was still getting its foot in and so the people behind that were people of the gaming industry.

FinalFantasyFanatic2d ago

The 360 was the brand in its prime though, everything went downhill towards the end of that generation. Its staple games like Halo, Forza and Gears are what kept the console relevant and afloat for so long.

MaximusPrime_3d ago

Really good video.

I remember the days with RRoD was big news on here, N4G.

Microsoft had it turbulence number of years.

Looking at the success of Sea of Thieves despite being 6 years old, time to release Halo, Forza horizon 4 & 5 on PS5. It'll help their revenue

shinoff21833d ago (Edited 3d ago )

2 of the 4 games they did already sold really well. So it's definitely going down. Idk about halo or forza but I feel those studios they've bought in the last 5 years, their coming

ChasterMies3d ago

I found this video painful to watch. Can someone list them out?

Top 10 for me from are:
1. 2013 reveal presentation
2. Bundling Kinect 2 with Xbox One
3. RRoD or why rushing to market with hardware is always a bad idea.
4. Buying studios only to close them.
5. Ads on the Home Screen
6. Letting Halo die.
7. Letting Geard of War die.
8. Every console name
9. Charging for Xbox Live on Xbox 360 when Sony let PS3 players play online for free.
10. Cancelling release of OG Xbox games after the Xbox 360 launched.

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purple1014d ago (Edited 4d ago )

is this the one with the switch2 chip inside.?

this is Intels first try at the format

probs not though, as it's $799. so not good for switch actually

Huey_My_D_Long3d ago

Well thats nice considering Ive heard it consistently performs worse when it really shouldn't.

Now if only Lenovo would do the same for the legion go