Sony Changed Two Major PS4 Features and Proved That Microsoft is Making Smart Moves with Xbox One

Microsoft's Xbox One has gotten much better over the past five years, and it's forcing Sony to make some major changes to the PlayStation 4.

[Nyxus]

"Cross-play, the most important change to the game industry since polygonal graphics"

Really?

[NecrumOddBoy]

I didn't know that it was since cross play has existed well before Microsoft's tactic of making it a relevant reason to buy the floundering Xbone over a much more successful PS4.

[Eonjay]

Sony has always at every point this gen HAD more cross play titles than the other consoles combined. This just sounds like more moneyhatted brainwashing.

[Aeery]

"Cross-play, the most important change to the game industry since polygonal graphics"

This sentence is almost disturbing !

[Obscure_Observer]

@NecrumOddBoy

Crossplay exists by some time. But Microsoft will aways be remembered as the company which pushed crossplay between CONSOLES foward!

[sinspirit]

@Obscure_Observer

Yes, in retaliation to poor sales and for their desperate attempts to try and look pro-consumer while taking every chance to make Sony seem like the bad guy since all MS does is post misleading numbers whenever possible to make it look successful, and their new controller designs every month.

It will also be them remembered as hypocrites for denying cross-play between consoles on PS3 and PS4, which Sony wanted, and them only now pushing it since their sales are dwindling. If they hadn't disagreed in the past then Sony wouldn't have declined them for so long. We already know that they've been transitioning the XBox into more of a SteamOS-type environment. While they won't use SteamOS, with crossplay, XBox players will still pay for Live to play against PC gamers that play for free.

[UltraNova]

Obscure, to new gamers a big fat maybe...yo gamers who have been around for decades they'll always be remembered as the company that abandons their platform 2 years before next gen, the company that tries to kill used games and the company that forced paid online on consoles.

[PapaBop]

@Obscure_Observer

No Microsoft will always be remembered as the company that wanted gamers to check in every 24 hours in order to have a functioning games console.

[CarlDechance]

@Obscure_Observer

"But Microsoft will aways be remembered as the company which pushed crossplay between CONSOLES foward! "

Wow....such a fanboy viewpoint. But you are the last person who should be talking about what company "pushed crossplay". Just the other day you were yapping at me about how Epic had said "nothing" about cross play. I posted three quotes from Epic CEO Tim Sweeney. You are simply ill-informed and really have no idea what you are talking about. You are just a MS cheerleader.

[IcedOmega13]

right?... I remember playing my dreamcast copy of 4x4 evolution against people on PC...

[fr0sty]

Sony was the first to bring cross play to consoles back in the PS3 days with Portal... they just didn't let Xbox gamers play in their ecosystem until now. Microsoft raised a big stink, developers jumped on board, Sony relented, and now Microsoft are the innovators?

[darthv72]

Crossplay existed long before Sony or MS did anything related. Hell I can still play Quake 3 on my DC against a PC in my home.

As far as platform vs platform play... I have wanted that since back when there was the xband modem on the Genesis and the SNES. It may have taken a lot longer than it should but I welcome that evolutionary step in online gaming communications.

[Babadook7]

Bitching and complaining about your competition is a smart move. Ok then.

I give Sony all the credit here. They asked for cross play first. It was they who were the bigger man and caved when it benefited their competitors. Microsoft wouldn’t do it during the 360 days.

[darthv72]

@dook... that's not exactly true. Sony was indifferent last gen on the subject. I believe they said it was up to the individual game publishers/developers if they wanted to pursue that. Then MS said no and somehow it came back to being a Sony issue when Sony was neither onboard nor against the idea.

This gen, however, it was MS that has said they want to do it so it's the first time a platform holder has been onboard with doing such a thing. So with MS offering up their support and devs/pubs also saying they want to do it... it then became on Sony to accept the olive branch.

[P_Bomb]

EZ Ben. I’ve been cross platform on DCUO for years but you never noticed because.....?

I don’t get the bleeding goodwill comment. They do two things people have been asking for only to find themselves “bleeding goodwill?” Damned if you do damned if you don’t.

[sampsonon]

Sony just signed the death warrant for PS.

[KickSpinFilter]

Sony gonna come out with the PS5 in 2020 with good price point, TLOU2 at launch, with Backwards compatibility with PS4 games. Plus these two things. Na... more like Sony just signed the death warrant for the next XB

[sampsonon]

@KickSpinFilter: sorry to burst your bubble but TLoU2 is rumored to be released next year. tired of trying to explain the ramifications of this move.

you own a restaurant and you sell great burgers. You sell 500 burgers each day and the place is the most popular in town. what would happen if you allowed people to bring burgers from your competitor into your restaurant? if you don't allow them to to bring food in they will be forced to buy your burgers. but once people can buy a burger and bring it in you lose revenue, and when that happens you will either have to raise prices a bit or let go of some employees.

sony is allowing a competitor to bring their burgers into their restaurant.

how many people bought a ps4 because they wanted to play with their friends that own a ps4? 80 million sold so it would be a lot of consoles.

think this will be my last comment on this subject.
If people are so blind i give up

[pyroxxx]

Xbox has no reason to exist,...

[2pacalypsenow]

Nah PS will be fine.

[sinspirit]

So, why would it be the most popular console that would suffer the most from this?

Also, burgers aren't constant existences able to be accessed continuously. Bad metaphor.

MS is transitioning back to the PC game. It's been obvious for years now. The way they want to control updates is to create more Windows Marketplace traffic.

Crossplatform was to ensure they had relations to keep enough players online for their Live customers, aka future Windows Marketplace users. When they launched Windows Live it couldn't keep players at all even after removing the fee.

[AmUnRa]

You are just delusional and have non argument that Sony signed the "dead warrant".
For PS. Please give me your argument, if you cant that will be saying enough.🙄

[SarsOxley]

Haha! Sony makes rice cookers, TVs, consoles, select titles and a bunch of other stuff but, not burgers :).
If they did make burgers though, they would be exclusive burgers and I wouldn't be able to get that exact tasty burger experience from anywhere else...now a 99 cent coke that every burger joint sells and is made by someone else that they make a paltry amount for every time they sell...wouldn't hurt to let someone drink their Activision coke in the swanky Sony dining room while talking to someone on the phone in Microsofts hipster hot dog stand also drinking an Activision coke because they are there to have easy access to that one of a kind Spider Burger and that's what keeps bringing them back.

[Nodoze]

LOL, yeah ok. Have used it a grand total of.....NEVER. Fortnite is garbage and it's time will pass soon enough (not soon enough for some). I am happy some are enjoying it, and that it is working to attract more people to gaming but that is about it.

Cross play was not something I was, or am interested in.

[Zeref]

You dont have friends that own different consoles?

[rainslacker]

I'd say online play is probably the most important change to the game industry. After that, the uptake of mobile and self-publishing.

Cross play has been around long enough that its not really an important change anymore. It didn't matter much when it first happened, or when it was pushed more, and it really doesn't matter that much now. It's not going to fundamentally change the industry in any way, nor will it really have much effect on the end user to a huge degree.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"It's not going to fundamentally change the industry in any way, nor will it really have much effect on the end user to a huge degree."

Only your head, otherwise Sony would do what you were saying/expecting, which was, crossplay for next gen Playstation. The notion that you have about crossplay as not important is not what Sony thinks. Fact.

[rainslacker]

You know what Sony is thinking?

And what's this new thing with everyone putting fact at the end of their comment as if that somehow solidifies their statement as some kind of fact?

I never once thought or said I expect Sony to do it next gen. I always maintained that there was something holding it up, probably on the back end, and if the powers that be could work something out, and were trying to work something out, then it would happen, if not, then it wouldn't happen.

We've certainly had the conversation enough times that you couldn't have possibly forgotten that. Or did you really not listen to anything I've said for the last two years?

Anyhow, cross play isn't really that important. The industry was fine without it. It didn't change much once we had it, and its unlikely to change much going forward. It's a good end user feature, and those devs that want to use it for the consumers benefit, or for their own, can now do so. But if they couldn't the industry would still go on. The industry is growing, and has despite the lack of cross console play.

Explain to me exactly what will change so drastically for the industry that it makes it an important change. Explain what would be hindered in the grand scheme of things if everything stayed the way it was.

[neutralgamer1992]

I know Xbox one isn't doing the most important thing right and that's AAA exclusives

Rest of features are just that extra features

[Hardiman]

If it were me those are the articles I'd be pushing! Where are the new exciting IP's and how come some are able to pull this off yet the most powerful stumble!

[JackBNimble]

I'm willing to bet that most AAA multiplat games in the future still will not use this as a feature.

[jeenyus]

They hire anybody now.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

Honestly?

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I've been an advocate for the benefits of crossplay for the industry, regardless if it matters to you as an individual or not...but yea that is one silly ass statement lol

[FyBy]

Agreed! I never needed crossplay while playing online. Never needed crossplay during online play in my whole life.

[Raiden]

@Fyby
So you only play single narive titles and put it down, you never wanted to test your gaming skills against your competing console counterpart, who is better which system gives its gamers great evolution COD FIFA F1 These are games that pushes your skill. If not there is nothing wrong with that, but it's the closest we're going to get towards a fairly fair competition because we console owners stand no chance playing against PC gamers

[RememberThe357]

@Raiden
Your agrument for cross play is that with out it you can't play against other people online? Or is it that without it you can't have PS4 vs Xbone matches (which I don't think will ever be a thing even with cross play)?

We can compete amungst ourselves just fine. I'm not a pro gamer, I don't need to put my skills against the best players from other platforms to enjoy myself.

[bluefox755]

Hard to take anything in this article seriously after that, I lol'd.

[Zeref]

downplaying crossplay just because your favorite platform doesn't do it. Smh...you guys aren't real gamers.

[Nyxus]

First off, PS4 does support cross-play now. Secondly, downplaying? Just because I don't agree with that ridiculous hyperbolic statement? Can anyone seriously sit there with a straight face and tell me cross-play is the most important chance since 3D graphics?

[RememberThe357]

Cross play doesn't matter and won't change anything. I play video games everyday but I guess they aren't real games and I'm just hallucinating.

[trooper_]

Biggest load of crapola I've ever read.

[jacksmith56]

i agree with you the biggest change is going to be read dead and cybur punk

[feedthereaper]

It is one of the biggest changes..... because it makes console hardware less relevant than the content now. It is like how we all use Facebook on Android but all use different phones to run that Android.
10 years from now, other hardware manufacturers will be developing much cheaper hardware, not to gain an advantage on hardware sales, but simply because they can offer the exact same games to an already large audience.

[RememberThe357]

Do you think every game from now on is going to have cross play as a feature?

Also, your describing the PC market with your last point. With your Steam or Origin account you can play on whatever PC you want.

Why do consoles need to be like PCs when we already have PCs?

[PhoenixUp]

“Suddenly, "Minecraft" players on Xbox One could play with iPhone and PC and even Nintendo Switch players. There was just one notable exception: Sony's PlayStation 4. It continues to be the exception, and it's not a measure of Microsoft not working with Sony - Sony apparently halted talks.”

Pretty sure Microsoft has Switch owners using Microsoft accounts in order to do cross platform play. Safe to say Sony wouldn’t want any of that.

“What Sony is missing, however, is Microsoft's bigger play with Xbox Game Pass and cross-play: An overall move away from dependence on the Xbox as a hardware platform, and a move toward Xbox as a service available on a variety of devices.”

The author says that like it’s a good thing to move away from hardware dependence.

[letsa_go]

It is Business Insider. Of course they are going to write it from a perspective that is good for businesses and not consumers.

[Raiden]

Sorry, but how do businesses work again, if the industry is trying to evolve and the most successful Gaming console of this generation company can't follow the market, then good luck to it future, crossplay cross progression is important and Sony must understand this, look at ps vita, it would have been the perfect play anywhere hardware for those long journey, but no short sightedness on Sony own path cause this to be no more, look at the switch, 200 games on the move, look at tablets with access to steam, my point is not what Sony wants but the options to the gaming public, some people believe this is all a money grab by MS, well i can't answer that, but i am going to point out that almost everything that MS was going to do has started to happen in the industry, DRM lol you come home from work BANG the game you're about to play has a 4gd load so you play another game while you wait which then takes longer, look at google alexa and Amazon voice command devices, these devices are only on the market now, MS see the future of technology and where it heading, if PC are to evolve then consoles must become as powerful as PC, WE ONLY KNOW OUR LIMITATIONS WHEN WE CAN NO LONGER EVOLVE.

[rainslacker]

Sony didn't halt talks. Sony wouldn't allow MS to provide updates through its own servers and require that an XBL account was needed to actually get an update. That is their policy for everyone. They distribute the updates, which are compliance tested, and charged for. Said update can not ever be locked behind a secondary account. MS could have removed this policy, and cross progression features could have been provided, and if MS wanted to, they could have allowed cross play with PC, and maybe at the same time started talks about allowing it with X1 for the game instead of taking the route they did.

Example. One can update FFXIV to their hearts content without every logging in with an account. You'll need an account to play, but that's about it.

MS didn't like this policy, so they took their toys and went home, thus locking out PS players from getting the updates, and the new features being rendered unavailable on PS.

This minecraft thing should not be placed on Sony, as it is entirely MS decision to restrict the content from PS players.

[conanlifts]

That's actually incorrect. As I stated above MS have unified purchases for Minecraft, which requires an xbox account to verify. Unified purchases are a very good thing, it means we do not have to buy things repeatedly for each platform. There is no other way to verify purchases cross platform without a unified account. Sony have blocked it as they only want people buying content from them. In addition Minecraft on PS4 still gets updates. But here is a link to what I am talking about.

"btw when I was at Sony, the stated reason internally for this was money. They didn’t like someone buying something on an Xbox and it being used on a Playstation. simple as that. dumb reason, but there it is.
— John Smedley"

Read more at http://www.playstationlifes...

[rainslacker]

Except that's not what prevented Sony from approving XBL accounts on the PS4. They refused it because MS wanted to control the updates itself. There are other unified accounts on the PS platform, that require a 3rd party account to access.

They don't have any problem with doing this with FFXIV, SF5, Warframe, Mass Effect 3, or any other number of games.

Yes, Minecraft gets updates on PS4, but they don't get the new features that MS has, because MS wants to control the updates, and force a XBL account for those updates. But Sony's own policies don't disallow 3rd party accounts on the platform, and in the case of Minecraft, Sony still distributes the updates through its platform.

[conanlifts]

"There are other unified accounts on the PS platform, that require a 3rd party account to access."

Pretty sure none of these allow crossplatform purchases, which is what I am specifically referencing and the reason ms need to control updates etc.
Also to my knowledge Warframe is not cross platform. Personally I game on all of the consoles and therefore crossplatform purchases are a huge must have.

[kneon]

When you can't compete on hardware then you might as well move away from depending on hardware.

[conanlifts]

"Pretty sure Microsoft has Switch owners using Microsoft accounts in order to do cross platform play. Safe to say Sony wouldn’t want any of that. "

Yes they do, but Sony is against it for reasons that are not in the benefit of consumers. Microsoft have said that all purchases you make are linked to your online account. So if you buy mods or add ons for Minecraft they are universal and work on any system. The caveat is you need to log in to your Microsoft account to link your purchases. This is how your purchases are unified. How else can it be done. Sony on the other hand have publicly stated they do not want people buying content on other platforms and using it on theirs as they get no money from it.

"So playstation is the only platform not allowing cross purchases for Minecraft in this case.
btw when I was at Sony, the stated reason internally for this was money. They didn’t like someone buying something on an Xbox and it being used on a Playstation. simple as that. dumb reason, but there it is.
— John Smedley"

Read more at http://www.playstationlifes...

http://www.playstationlifes...

http://www.playstationlifes...

[Silly gameAr]

Here we go with this anti consumer trash again. If I was running a business, I wouldn't want to hand my customers over to the competition either. Why is that hard to understand?

[conanlifts]

@silly gamear.
So do you think it is fine for 1 Company to refuse to let purchases for a game to carry over to other platforms. Particularly when every other platform allows it for these games?

[sammarshall102]

Games reign supreme

[jznrpg]

Xbox fans want features not games duh

[NeoGamer232]

No, that is not true. As a primarily xbox gamer I want GAMES and FEATURES. MS has to improve the games for sure.

And so do most gamers. Whether it be achievements/trophies, apps like Netflix, Blu-ra/DVD/CD, game streaming, profiles, EA Access/Game Pass, PSN Plus/XB LIve Gold, etc. gamers all want features as well as games. It just makes the console more valuable and useful when it can do more than games.

[Soulrakk]

can we stop generalizing an entire fanbase based on childish insults?

how about appreciating what every brand brings to the table? or is a level mind too much to ask for?

it's amazing how much people really hype up and ride with these corporations. my god. both these companies feed off each other and that's a GOOD thing. both have led, stumbled and moved forward by learning from each other. if you're preference is sony, great. the need to tear down microsoft for it though, is fucking assinine.

[sammarshall102]

Lol

[Atticus_finch]

But, but more remotes...

[masterfox]

hmmm I would really want know what kind of stuff is the xbox one doing better or smart moves, I'm saying this because I still don't care one bit about purchasing that thing and this is mostly because their exclusive games just sucks imo(if they have any) , multiplataform games doesn't match the high quality of the PS4 games , so what exactly are doing right? , play 360 games ?, game pass to play their "exclusives" ?, xbox one X way expensive console that doesn't prove his so called power in games ?.

When xbox start having awesome exclusives games and I mean new ones so until then we can safely say they are definitely doing the right moves or smart moves but until then currently and sorry for say this but the xbox is submerged in mediocrity right now.

[DarkkMinion]

Replace the words xbox one with PS4 and PS4 with xbox and it will make more sense. For example: "When PS4 start having awesome exclusives games and I mean new ones so until then we can safely say they are definitely doing the right moves or smart moves but until then currently and sorry for say this but the PS4 is submerged in mediocrity right now."

[AmUnRa]

DMinion: "PS4 is submerged in mediocrity right now".

WTF?? What have i been reading right now? Please explain your self cous i can make nothing of that rediculous steatment.

[Atanasrikard]

@amunra

Not to put words in his mouth but I believe darkkminion's point is that everything that guy said is completely subjective and other people can feel the opposite of someone else in a subjective statement.

[Hardiman]

Cross-play is a feature, a feature but games are the main course and the reason we are here in the first place! Also I know there are games for Xbox but what Im talking about is where are the Knights of the Old Republic, Jade Emipres, Strangers Wraths, the Splinter Cells or Otogis or the Mass Effects, the Bio Shocks or the Blue Dragons that the Xbox and 360 had?!?!

Sure some would say those series went multiplat or don't exist anymore but they all started on Xbox so if it happened before why isn't it happening now Mr Phil?

[Vasto]

Just goes to show that Microsoft will force Sony to change if it affects them making money. Hard lesson learned but they had it coming.

[Legatus]

Yeah because MS affected Sony making billions of $ on the PS4, that outsold xbox one every month since 2013. and destoyed them in their home territory, USA. Sony is playing with the others, it can say no, it can say yes, not that's a power. Why doesn't MS announce xbox one sold numbers if it's that mighty ?
LOL

[Vasto]

$877 Billion from Microsoft is what makes things change. They can sell PS4 as much as they want and nothing will ever change that. Epic called Microsoft and told them to go ahead and do it. Did you notice that Microsoft now has a Fortnite Xbox One Bundle coming now? Nobody will stop M$ from making their money especially a small company like Sony.
https://imgur.com/D0pvEIw

[Nyxus]

@ Vasto: every console has a Fortnite bundle.

[yomfweeee]

Love it when Xbox defenders resort to Microsoft's overall value as some defense.

[Legatus]

And how many of those billions is for the xbox division ha ? What, you think that MS only got that one division to spent all that money ? Even if xbox divison have that money why it can't touch Playstation in terms of quality studios and exclusives and in world dominance, why it never ever outsold any Playstation console since the original xbox ? It's very, very weird that with all the money in the world they are always in the middle, never excelling in anything, a definition of mediocrity. Thing is that xbox can have zilions upon zilions of $, a Playstation will always be a definition of console gaming, as this article clearly states:
http://www.pushsquare.com/n...

Even with all that money xbox can only dream of this brand recognition that Playstation enjoys.

Oh and see you when the mighty PS4 sales reach 100 million next year, a sales number that a xbox consoles, and you green fanatics, can only dream of. :*

https://m.imgur.com/gallery...

[Vasto]

If PS4 reaches 500 Million Sony is still just a small inferior company compared to Microsoft. This is why they changed the crossplay stance because a more powerful company wanted it changed.

When Microsoft said no crossplay Sony could do nothing because Microsoft is so much stronger but when Sony tried it they got forced to change because they are weaker.

Sorry but I would rather have $877 Billion anyday over 80 million video game systems. Thats chump change to M$. They can have that. LOL

[Nyxus]

@ Vasto: MS would love to have the PS4's user base, but they can't even manage to get half of that.

"Sorry but I would rather have $877 Billion anyday over 80 million video game systems."

You own Microsoft?

[milohighclub]

Sony might just be a smaller company compared to Microsoft. Dunno about you but in my eyes that only adds insult to injury.

[yomfweeee]

Ya Microsoft said NO to cross play last gen and tried to pull some other crap to start this gen. How did those hundreds of billions work out for that? They got clobbered.

Sony on the other hand, smart enough to realize that even though they easily won this gen... they weren't going to end on anything negative like the lack of cross play.

[Legatus]

Lol ""

[Legatus]

"If PS4 reaches 500 Million Sony is still just a small inferior company compared to Microsoft."

LOL, a "small and inferior" company which console regularly wipes the floor with the MS console since 2001.

"When Microsoft said no crossplay Sony could do nothing because Microsoft is so much stronger but when Sony tried it they got forced to change because they are weaker. "

Hahaahhaha you just gotta love the green boys. Where was the "mighty and powerful" MS when they announced the xbox one with DRM and Sony didn't, the "almighty" MS quickly canceled that and also made xbox one as DRM free? How come the "mighty" MS didn't force "inferior" Sony to also release the PS4 as DRM console, if it's that "so mighty and powerful" as you are claiming they could easily do that ha green boy, can you answer me that ?

"Sorry but I would rather have $877 Billion anyday over 80 million video game systems."

You and Spencer both, because you can only dream of that much cash and sales numbers. MS as a company have many, many divisions, not only a xbox division so they have only a friction of that cash. But you can always dream green boy.

P.S. see you when the beast reaches that sweet 100 million sales next year, the salt from you green boys will be as someone drained the Dead sea.
:*

[Hardiman]

For all M$'s cash they are still getting taken to task in the "hey let's be creative and make new exciting games dept" but at least as a company they are worth a lot! The very definition of all flash no show or in this case no soul!

[CarlDechance]

The amount of delusion coming from Xbox fans like you right now is incredible.

[rainslacker]

MS hasn't forced Sony to do anything. Sony made a decision, and could easily go on without having to implement cross play.

Sony hasn't made a single reactionary move against MS all gen. Except maybe the recent addition of downloads for some new PSNow games. On the other hand, it seems all MS does is react, but at least you get some nice features out of it.

"Nobody will stop M$ from making their money especially a small company like Sony. "

As far as I know, Sony isn't competing against MS in any arena where they make 95% of that revenue....so why even bring that up?

But, MS is actually losing market share on windows itself. in 2013, they had almost 91% of the desktop OS market. In 2018, they have about 83%. This doesn't even include the YOY reduction of overall OS sales as people are moving to other platforms that MS doesn't even compete in.

But MS office and their server software is going strong, but Xbox is really just a drop in the bucket to their overall business.

"This is why they changed the crossplay stance because a more powerful company wanted it changed."

Despite MS power, they don't have the influence on the gaming industry like you posit. Sony has just as much, if not more influence on the gaming industry, and moreso, companies like Epic have more influence than MS. MS is fighting to get their DX to be a thing, but they aren't really winning, as Vulcan is seeing more adoption more lately, and a lot of this has to do with Sony and Nintendo using it, and Sony having the largest player base right now.

Its not that MS has no influence, but not so much that Sony has to do anything that MS wants. I mean, Sony wouldn't allow MS to violate Sony's policies on updates behind a secondary account with Minecraft. They haven't done anything this gen to react to MS really, and instead, MS seems to be doing a lot of reacting to anything that Sony puts out....and seems to have to get in front of any positive Sony news or comment because they don't want to seem irrelevant.

[Atticus_finch]

Hahaha! you green boys are hilarious.

[cyclindk]

This guy's comment history is scary. If Microsof were a man, he'd be very pleased to have such a greatful ***** suckling at it's teat.

Games.... Games for crying out loud!

[Inzo]

You know whats funny? You thinking that Sony was pressured into making this decision. But hey IF its a lesson learned then Sony has adapted just a pity MS cant learn the lesson of making games... am I right?

[BlaqMagiq1]

Did you just make a comparison of how much money Microsoft has to how many consoles PS sold?

I don't think I need to tell you how idiotic that comparison is.

[jaycptza]

serious eff off

[trooper_]

How does Microsoft affect Sony making money when they have no exclusives to actually compete and sell their freaking console?

You're delusional, as usual.

[yomfweeee]

It's almost as if Sony hasn't been doing cross play for many years.

[Quetzll]

No one has ever rationally argued that. And if they did, they were wrong and were definitely called out on it. The reason it's getting so much attention right now is because we finally have the very first "rival" cross-play game: XBOX and PS4 players can now squad up in Fortnite. It's a good thing for literally everyone. And soo many people refuse to see the light in that.

[rainslacker]

People like to ignore that, and say all that matters is console cross play. This is despite the fact that pc potentially offers up the largest player base, and tends to retain mp users on an individual game longer than you see on consoles.

[TheGamingArt]

Wtf... is this a joke article?

[AK91]

I think I lost some brain cells reading this, its getting sad how out of touch game "journalists" are becoming with the industry.

[jaycptza]

exactly what a piece of shit article was this. Can I take my click back?

[Kiwi66]

Wait, what ?

[Shikoku]

Um no ps4 had cross play first. Cross isnt that big of a deal jesus people mountains out of mole hills.

[Quetzll]

It's a big deal because we now have the very first PS4 and XBOX cross-play game. Cross-play isn't news, but THIS is.

[rainslacker]

I'd say it's news, because it is something new, but it's not the big deal that some are making it out to be.

When Sony first started doing cross play with pc, they didn't get as much praise for it as i see ms getting now for Sony finally implementing policies they never said they were completely against.

[william_cade]

They may be making smart moves, but they aren't making any exclusives that anyone wants to play.
And a move to live service is only a good move for the companies not for a lot of gamers.

[Platformgamer]

is this article cancerogenous or what?

[Tross]

Smart moves that are putting them well behind the competition? Sony's "blunders" would be preferable from a sales standpoint.

[jznrpg]

MS isn’t making smart moves until they make some new games worth more than _______.

[Elda]

Smart moves? LOL! Smh.

[Realms]

What a load BS cross play wasn't even on anyone's radar until crap games like Fortnite made it a big deal, only a fraction of gamers care about it. We will see how important it truly is to game developers but judging by how fast Bethesda backpedal after being one of the most vocals about not being able to implement cross play do to Sony's stance it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of it was just smoke and mirrors that many developers really don't care to deal with.

[derek]

You can tell by the tone of alot of these articles and YouTube videos it was less about getting Sony on board so the 3 home console could "play together ", and more about bashing Sony.

[rainslacker]

I though that was pretty obvious long ago. It's not like every potentially negative thing that could be thrown at Sony this gen hasn't blown up into some epic controversy. This one was about the onky one that stuck, even conpared to bc, because it was so easy to show tha me was the good guy, and Sony was the arrogant evil villain. Since much of the console war exists and thrives on the premise of a negative echo chamber, the media seemed more than happy to benefit from a topic that apparently less.than 10% of all gamers really care about.

Within a few weeks time, this topic will be forgotten, and I bet we.wont see the same fervor directed at all the publishers who aren't implementing cross play in their new games, because there is no console war for multi plat games themselves

[Thomaticus]

I still don't feel compelled to purchase an Xbox One S, or X.

[rainslacker]

But why not? Ms is making good and smart moves. Good will is much more important than anything else. Just gotta trust me, and then you'll get it. It's not about providing the best experience, the best games...its.about making you think they will, and make you feel good about ms, because ms is good, and never bad.

/obvious sarcasm should be obvious.

[RizBiz]

I completely agree. Cross-play was revolutionary when Sony first did it in 2002 with FF11. Good job, Sony!

I don't know what the XBoner has to do with anything, though... o_O

[Hardiman]

For me it'll be a good day in gaming when there's a title saying how M$ got back to allowing devs more creative freedom and funding new exciting IP's proving Sony has been making smart moves with the PS4!

As it is though features and such seem to take president with some as opposed to games. That will always boggle my mind to no end!

[Skankinruby]

Lol ohhhh boy, straw grasping clickbait at its finest. Not getting a click from me sorry gonna have to try harder than that. Other than price cuts and 4k blu ray (a very ironic feature btw considering last gen)Microsoft hasn't made any ' smart moves' or improved the xbox brand at all.

[DivineAssault]

ummm no

[Atticus_finch]

Sony has always been ahead on xplay. Author seems to not know enough.

[Donjune]

Gamers for the winnnn..

[ironmonkey]

How are they getting much better? Only game to release so far is forza 4. Its already dead.

[Gwiz]

Xbox One has gotten much better?by forcing another company to do even better things?.
XD... damn that damage control is real.but still not seeing that outrage over a free-to-play-game being locked behind a paywall.That's one mighty breeze ain't it coolbeans? LOL

[VendettaGamer]

As smart of a move as this guy claims cross play is hasn't made any difference sales wise. Microsoft is still getting slaughtered.

[RosweeSon]

What a load of dribble crossplay is important to people who were too blinded by fanboyism and picked the least successful console by far sure gamepass looks great in principle... if they had some quality games to sell it. We’ll deliver AAA games to the service, that’s fantastic, it’s just we don’t have anymore to release this year and crackdowns probably gonna be weak.
I don’t know why people are still supporting Xbox so fanatically when they been absolutely awful this Gen coming off the back of RROD last Gen (although I really enjoyed 360) but major issues with hardware. This Gen they just keep revising the consoles and the controllers and still not delivering the games that you can’t get elsewhere not to mention PlayStation opened Xbox to even offering games in the first place in any form.
PS+ was banging out free titles across multiple platforms for months before Xbox finally caved in and they did cave as they had no choice. Since ps+ was introduced and you can get quality free games each month these subscription/Netflix of average games that Microsoft have become less appealing as I already own? Digital copies of majority of the games I want if not I go out and purchase a copy as always happy to support good games.
Microsoft are all about the subscriptions yearly churns and yearly charges Xbox live £40/50 a year Xbox games pass costs money. Then a new console each year (not essential) new elite controllers and all to play Fifa 17/18/19
Cod, battlefield Forza and anything else you can churn out in a year.
The only time Xbox been good this Gen is when they were on their own plans yeah we’re doing this this and that sure it was all pretty terrible ideas but at least it wasn’t just doing what the others are doing and also just releasing a revised version of 360 really shoulda just called it 720. We won’t mention Kinect ;)
Sony/Nintendo got me this Gen and Xbox gonna have to start buying up all the exclusives deals again they did in 360 days to get me back again. I don’t want a PC I game on gaming consoles.

[TheHan]

Only because as kids we’ve all wanted cross play with our favorite consoles and our best friends even if we all didn’t have the same gaming system. Never thought in my life time that it would have been possible.

[RosweeSon]

It’s good for mates who bought the wrong console but generally you either buy a mega drive or a nes/snes a PlayStation or an Xbox when one is completely lacking exclusives why bother with the other can’t play 2/3 consoles at a time. Switch and PS4 for me and if your stuck on Xbox. Shame simple solutions to that haha

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

lol.....the US media is really shilling for MS right now..Sony got Games, and who knows if Sony was not already working on many things that have nothing to do with MS. US media is nauseating.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Sony was the first to do streaming with PS now... the author sounds like a massive xbox fanboy.

[KickSpinFilter]

Ya just like Sony forced MS to invest more attention to SP games.

[Hugodastrevas]

"I iz smert, dass Y I iz 3rd place!" - Xbox

[2pacalypsenow]

"1. Cross-play, the most important change to the game industry since polygonal graphics, is now a reality."

What? These people cant be serious..

[jaycptza]

who wrote this kak?!

[Tsar4ever01]

Jeez what a dumb article, This is the latest "SHILLING for Microsoft" article I have read this recently.

[CyberRekkr]

Sony tried to do crossplay with Ps3 & Xbox360, But Microsoft said no. Microsoft only did Crossplay this gen because the stupid DRM policies they tried to impose on gamers! Now Microsoft is doing everything they have to do to sell the Xbox one Dodoo. Sony made the PlayStation more desirable because now they truly offer everything with Crossplay for their loyal gamers!

[bigmalky]

Business Insider, the "gaming" journalist voice of the shareholder.

They know about as much as Jon Snow.

[Quatron]

If there is ONE thing that PlayStation should be taking from Xbox, is the changing your PSN ID name. There has been so much B.S. that users had to deal with like getting their accounts they have been using for years suddenly getting banned for a bad word or two that should've never happened. Using this would easily remedy that nonsense so much.

[rainslacker]

That's a fairly uncommon occurrence, and in those cases Sony usually will allow the user to change their username. It's done through their customer service, and isn't as convienant as just doing it yourself.

[MrVux000]

Oh, for fuq sake, give it a rest already...

[trooper_]

Garbage article.

[VTKC]

Street fighter 5 was released years ago and has crossplay. Another game Spacelords. Why is it suddenly come to light like as if someones just invented the wheel for the first time?

[kevnb]

Microsoft made them do this?

[sampsonon]

I've always bought a ps, but now i am concerned about their decision to cave on the cross play debate. now i think they will cut costs and raise prices because of the lost sales they will most certainly suffer from.

i know for a fact that people bought a ps4 , xbox gamers, because of ms messing up in the beginning. plus,and this s the point, the people that bought the ps4 because their xbox friends bought it will now go back to Xbox and now they can play the most popular game with friends even though their friends are playing on a ps5.

what a shame.

[Thundercat77]

This article is so wrong in many ways. Anyone who has been following the gaming industry knows this article is just BS.

Sony has been doing crossplay way before Microsoft and Xbox even refused crossplay last Gen. Sony has more crossplay titles than Microsoft.

Why pretend Microsoft is doing "smart moves" when it all has been a PR smoke and empty tactic like always? Microsoft is like the Trump of gaming... Always lies and lies and pretentious when in fact is doing nothing.

[frostypants]

"Forcing"...given that the PS4 is still outselling them at a healthy pace (and pulling away), this makes no sense.

[Codewow]

Competition is great for the consumer

[James Vanderbeek]

This makes no sense. Triple A titles like spider man, the last of us, and god of war is what makes a console. nothing else freaking matters. what's a console without games? I could careless of buying old video games to play when there are too many new games i still havent played haha

[zachyBROosevelt]

Terrible article

[C-H-E-F]

xPlay, wasn't that ushered in by Sony? I remember last gen when Sony asked Microsoft to do cross play and microsoft said no because they were winning the console war and the playstation was lesser than them. Now this is a Microsoft idea? Last time I checked Playstation 3 -> PC games were a thing, a big deal actually.

[OG_TK_Cole]

Im so tired of these garbage hit pieces. Lets just play video games and leave the Video Game Industry Politics to the Corporations. As gamers this is a win for all of us, even for the ones who didnt care one way or another if cross-play happened on PS4 or not. Microsoft and SONY are making a lot of money this generation, its just that SONY has the lions share because of the amazing job they did with the PS4. Lets stop the drama and just enjoy our love for video games.

[Zerobalance]

Seems fair the article. Xbox has changed for the better & l think it will get even more value for money. That in turn will push Sony then push Xbox result gamers win.