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10 Developers That Have Never Made a Bad Game

Greysun from Twinfinite writes: “There are a ton of amazing developers who have created superb games, but a lot of these developers have had some rough patches, and there are some who are just consistent and always on their game.”

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“With games like Chinatown Wars, L.A. Noire, Red Dead Redemption, Vice City Stories, San Andreas and Grand Theft Auto IV under their belt, Rockstar North knows how to deliver a great game.”

Rockstar North didn’t develop L.A. Noire, Team Bondi did.

_-EDMIX-_2287d ago

Saw that too.

It's very questionable when you have an article trying to talk about development teams yet their actually uneducated on who actually made those games. 😂😂😂

Something is wrong when the comments have to correct you, I would argue it's easier to just read the comments to get a good sense of this than the article itself.

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thorstein2286d ago

Oh, look, the ten people that are affiliated with Twinfinite downvoted you. Weird how it is always 10 downvotes anytime someone calls them out specifically. Lulz.

_-EDMIX-_2286d ago (Edited 2286d ago )

@thor- exactly ,why are they even mad? They're the ones who wrote an article without even researching even slightly who even makes those games..

I mean at this point it make more sense to just have me and Fallen just make our own list and thoroughly research the development teams as opposed to just writing an article based on assumptions.

To my understanding it was Rockstar San Diego that made Red Dead Redemption.

I'm also positive it was Rockstar Leeds that made Chinatown Wars

Even if somebody wanted to argue that Rockstar North gave assistance will Sony Santa Monica in many teams at Sony actually give assistance to various games, but we do not see "giving assistance" to a game as being the actual team that developed the game.

Microsoft has been known to have some of their team members give assistance for stuff like Dead Rising no different than Sony can actually be seen in the credits of some of their Developers for the Yakuza series or even the Metal Gear Solid series.

It is not out of the ordinary for a third-party sometimes to outsource certain team members if they need help. Rockstar North is no different but at the end of the day we cannot literally say Rockstar North alone developed a Red dead Redemption or Bully or LA Noire or anything like that.

If they want to talk about Rockstar North develop games in regards to them being the primary developer I mean that sounds like an interesting article but this sounds like a bunch of uneducated assumption. I mean they seem to have more disagrees than they actually do real logical reasoning on why they believe I'm wrong.

Keep in mind nothing is wrong with disagreeing everybody is fair to agree or disagree.

lex-10202286d ago

Same with Ninja Theory, Does no one remember Enslaved Oddesy to the West?

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lptmg2286d ago

plus they developed a very bad game for the Dreamcast called Wild Metal Country, but I bet the guy who wrote this thinks Rockstar North started making games only 15 years ago...

coffeemaster2286d ago

I wrote this and when I added Rockstar North to the list, I only counted games that were developed under the name of “Rockstar North.” Wild Metal Country was technically not a rockstar game

DogJosha2286d ago

@coffee
Put your personal opinion aside for a minute. DmC would be found on a top 20 most hated games list at a minimum, if not the top 10. I never even got into old DMC myself, although I enjoyed what little I played a long time ago, and I found it to be irredeemable. Gameplay felt poorly designed Donte was especially unbearable. Why are you putting games that the gaming community largely hates on a "never made a bad game" list?

mcstorm2286d ago

Tbh this is subject to personal preference. I've never liked a rock star game but then loved over games lots of people have hated so this is just one guys opinion rather than a statement

_-EDMIX-_2286d ago

@coffee- I'm sorry buddy but there's just no excuse for this actually research who makes those games because this is just riddled with inaccuracies.

Rockstar North never actually developed LA Noire you're thinking of a team called the team Bondi.

Nothing's wrong with making an article like this but if you're going to make a statement regarding a game a team developed you actually need to make sure you're even talking about the entire team.

This article basically ignores team Bondi Rockstar Leeds Rockstar San Diego and so much more

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DarXyde2286d ago (Edited 2286d ago )

Sorry to quote you, but I'm only doing so because Twinfinite is being stupid (again) and I'd like as many people to see this without spending time going through the pages.

The list...

1. Sucker Punch
2. Retro Studios
3. Ninja Theory
4. Monolith Soft
5. Media Molecule
6. Team Ico/genDESIGN
7. ThatGameCompany
8. Kojima Productions
9. Rockstar North
10. Rocksteady

You have ads on your website and you STILL have page click-throughs. Eat me.

_-EDMIX-_2286d ago

Exactly on top of that the article is just completely riddled with inaccuracies and literally misinformation they don't even know who develops these damn games.

Smh

This is the type of stuff that needs to be denied from being actually approved.

If you make an article it needs to be a single page if it's going to be a list as opposed to trying to abuse.

If it's a long article sure two pages is no problem but there's no damn reason why somebody has a list of something like this with multiple Pages for each individual item. If somebody wants to create a website that's devoted to this type of stuff I mean they're free to do that but I don't believe this website in general should be approving articles like this. Especially with the amount of misinformation on this article itself I mean dear God you could simply go on a Wiki or look at the back of the game you own to see who developed it to prove this wrong.

Rachel_Alucard2286d ago

Media Molecule made a very forgettable game called puppeteer and I had no idea it even came out because they showed it back when PS move was being spammed and nobody wanted it. I personally did not like Infamous: Second son because they removed all the side quests and just made a smaller map then previous entries and just filled it with the same Ubisoft style collectathon crap. You can say these devs never made a bad game I'll say, but they've made at least few average games. Also DmC is garbage.

DarXyde2286d ago (Edited 2286d ago )

Rachel_Alucard,

I have to disagree with you on Puppeteer. I thought it was a fun, whimsical game (but for the record, wasn't that Sony Interactive that made it?). Played it on Plus and enjoyed it.

Different strokes, I guess.

_-EDMIX-_2286d ago

@Rachel_Alucard-"did not like Infamous: Second son because they removed all the side quests and just made a smaller map then previous entries"

huh?

Ummm ok. So confirmed you never actually played the game huh? Second Son is BIGGER then Infamous 2 by about 50%, but...I guess you know more then the developer. Check out the mark 48:11 please, that is the developer literally confirming the map is bigger.

No side quest? oh wow, this is just insane sooooo you literally don't know Second Son has side quest? "removed all the side quest" that doesn't look like "removed" to me.

No issue if you personally don't like it, it happens, but lets not lie about facts please, this is just sad and makes no sense. So literally lying about size or content when facts show otherwise.

http://infamous.wikia.com/w...

http://www.ign.com/articles...

Rachel_Alucard2285d ago

@Ed_mix

Why are you in every single article ready to defend any given comment? What I played was worse then what I played in the previous entries. Leave it at that instead of going off in an autistic information dissection. This is a video game not a private investigation

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AspiringProGenji2287d ago (Edited 2287d ago )

Rocksteady? Batman Arkham Knight was a dissapointment.

Deep-throat2287d ago

It wasn't bad. Uncharted 4 was a big disappointment but it wasn't bad...

doos_vd_kak2287d ago (Edited 2287d ago )

haven't seen many games that comes near Uncharted 4 this generation.

doos_vd_kak2287d ago (Edited 2287d ago )

Uncharted 4 is a masterpiece and it tears you to pieces which is always great to see :) 8 million plus copies sold. 93% score. Shame man, and you won't respond because you know whenever you comment, it's merely worthless dung

TallonIV2286d ago

Agreed Uncharted 4 was a big disappointment. Really enjoyed 1-3 but 4 took a step back.

Razzer2286d ago (Edited 2286d ago )

Amusing seeing those who are far from fans of PlayStation call UC4 disappointing. Funny, but not surprising

Rachel_Alucard2286d ago

I agree with @Deep-throat and I don't care if everyone just cries troll or accuses me of not being a playstation fan. Game was just boring and the the revealed script change made everything worse. They had a trailer for the uncharted series released in 2013 that had Sam speaking as the villain before they changed everything. Really disappointed by that and the multiplayer requiring ungodly amount of grind to get anything.

AspiringProGenji2286d ago

@Razze

I know! It’s been a known trend since the game came out.

@Rachel

Ok that’s your opinion but really? A cancelled script made the final game worse? Did you really play the game at all? The final game was a solid one without henning. It is time to stop crying for what never happened

Rachel_Alucard2285d ago

@Genji

A cancelled script that was far more interesting by comparison to what we got. Everything in 4 is too by the books and expected. Only twists were minor and weren't shocking to me. I know you guys jump to the "You didn't play it" line every-time someone criticizes a supposed "GOTY" winner but this isn't a Krabby patty catch all world.

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chaos-emeralds2287d ago

Arkham knight was amazing. What's wrong with you?

aarogree2286d ago

A disappointment of a game and a bad game are two different things. A disappointment is a game that fails to live up to expectations. A bad game is, well, a bad game.

Rachel_Alucard2286d ago

Those bat-mobile sections were really never-ending and they used them way way too much, and the reveal of the Arkham knight was a huge letdown.

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porkChop2287d ago (Edited 2287d ago )

Ninja Theory made the trash DMC reboot. Rockstar North made some trash before hitting their stride with GTA and changing their name to Rockstar North. Rocksteady made Urban Chaos: Riot Response, which was also pretty trash.

Every dev makes a bad game. And if there's a dev who hasn't done so yet, one day they will. It's only human to make mistakes. Even Naughty Dog started out with "Math Jam" for the Apple II, followed up with "Dream Zone", back when they were JAM Software.

Segata2287d ago

Don't forget Way of the Warrior from Naughty Dog. Easily one of the worst MK clones.

AsunaYuukiTheFlash2286d ago

Naughty Dog didn’t develop WOTW Jam Software did 😁

lptmg2286d ago

@Asuna nope, Naughty Dog made that game. Not only that, but the guy who directed it was Crash and Jak's own Jason Rubin...

SurgicalMenace2286d ago

Way of the Warrior was, in fact, a parody of Mortal Kombat. It was never meant to be taken seriously. Lmbo I loved everything it did when I purchased it at 11.

jmtstan2286d ago

@Asuna, back when Naughty Dog was called JAM, they made these games.

Yui_Suzumiya2286d ago

Way of the Warrior is classic though. I've been wanting to play it since it was in development.

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aarogree2286d ago

DMC wasn't trash. It wasn't great, but it was far from trash. It's marred by annoying characters, but the combat is fairly solid, the levels are gorgeous, and the story could be one of the best in the Devil May Cry series, but then again it never was big on story to begin with so that's not too difficult a feat.

Cyro2286d ago (Edited 2286d ago )

DMC reboot is actually good. Don't knock it down before you try it.

porkChop2286d ago

I do have the game. I really didn't enjoy it. The visuals were great, but everything else fell short for me.

Yui_Suzumiya2286d ago

DmC is awesome and everything Rockstar has developed is crap except for the Red Dead series and they helped with L.A. Noire which is amazing too.

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Segata2287d ago

Sucker Punch, Second Son is awful it suffered from what so many open world games suffer from, little variety and just a checklist of icons on the map. Ninja Theory made Kung Fu Chaos and the terrible DmC, Rockstar, State of Emergency was trash. Before ANYONE says Naughty Dog...Way of The Warrior exists. As much as I love Monolith, Xenosaga II wasn't great and Project X Zone games are not good. I own both.

SurgicalMenace2286d ago

You guys are aware that those games were "bad" because most of them were self funded, right? If you've ever owned your own business, it is a fact that your first outings are rough ones. So they are not bad, just underfunded. Look at them now. If half of people would realize that it takes money to make money, they'd be better off. What's bad about putting out your best efforts to become great?

Segata2286d ago

You don't need millions to make a good game. You need millions to make a bigger budget game. If money determined if a game is good then Undertale would be a pile of crap.

Rachel_Alucard2286d ago

It takes time and talent to make money. You can make fantastic low budget titles if you are smart about it and manage your time. Self publishing has nothing to do with it if you just look at many of the popular indie games we've gotten over the years.

SurgicalMenace2285d ago

Look at computing now compared to then, you might as well have been developing in the dark compared to now.

Knushwood Butt2286d ago

Playing Second Son now and it is far from awful.

Little variety is a valid comment but game is enjoyable and well made. Looks great too.

KillZallthebeast2287d ago

i love a few devs, but they aren't immaculate all of them have made 1 bad game. They usually learn from it.

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PlayStation Has Bend Studio in “Evolving, Multi-Genre” Category for In-Development Project

While Sony hasn’t revealed what some of its first-party studios like Housemarque is cooking currently, the company has revealed what focus they’re aiming for at the very least.

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senorfartcushion46m ago

If it's live service it's a "no" from me. I'll take a Days Gone sequel though...

Cacabunga42m ago

It’s confirmed Bend Studio next game is gaas… what a shame!

And why Returnal thumbnail?

cthulhucultist41m ago(Edited 40m ago)

According to this article
https://wccftech.com/playst...

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"In today's Business Segment Meeting 2024 for its Game & Network Services Segment, Sony confirmed the names of the seven studios focusing on single-player games with a narrative focus - Asobi, Insomniac Games, Santa Monica Studio, Sucker Punch, Naughty Dog, Firesprite and Housemarque, and the nine working on pure live service games or hybrid titles - Bungie, San Diego Studio, Firewalk, Haven and Neon Koi for pure live service games and Guerrilla Games, Polyphony, Media Molecule and Bend Studio. "

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it seems that Bend was placed in the live service game category

Psychonaut8529m ago

Glad Housemarque isn’t doing live service. And Guerrilla is doing a hybrid title? Wonder what that’s gunna look like. Makes me nervous

-Foxtrot17m ago(Edited 16m ago)

Seven for single player but nine for GaaS

Come on Sony…sigh

You don’t need 9 GaaS titles. It’s over saturation and competing for players time with your own studios

cthulhucultist3m ago

@Psychonaut85
I am also curious about that one. Guerrilla is a top tier developer, and I like their single player games.

I really hope they dont ruin this

-Foxtrot19m ago

The funny thing is the cancelled sequel to Days Gone sounded like they were pitching this online co-op focused game which just didn’t sound appealing to me at all

I loved the first game despite its flaws but the sequel needed work yet they wanted to jump to online and co-op…that’s a massive red flag. Sort your main issues first before trying to do more complicated things.

MIDGETonSTILTS170m ago

If Helldivers 2 is anything to go by, and I think it is, then GaaS can clearly work if they aren’t designed to milk the community slowly with diminishing quality of follow up content.

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PlayStation Aims to Entice PC Gamers to Play Single-Player Sequels on Consoles

Sony aims to release live service PlayStation games day & date on PC and PS5, but single-player games will have more "strategic approach."

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-Foxtrot8h ago

How? I’m sorry but how when they literally port their games to the PC now after not even 2 years, it’s rumored GoW Ragnarok is next.

The best thing they could have done is focus on the generation before with PS3 / PS4 titles and when it got to the PS6 then start porting PS5 games so people will want to get the sequel on the new console

Now PC gamers just wait it out because they know it’s coming

Redemption-644h ago

Rock Star does the same thing. Release 1st on consoles, wait a year or two then release on PC. It's clearly a strategy that works for them.

They don't need a lot of PC gamers to move to Playstation, but they just need a few who would also buy into it and possibly double dip. There are some very unhappy gamers on Twitter, who wanted to hear day and date for all games.

Cacabunga2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Fox
Your analyse is not accurate..

If sony keeps things the way they are then they will grow the business. Some pc gamers who really liked God of War for example might buy PS4 or 5 to play Ragnarok. Same if they announce ghost of tsushima 2 or a new Ratchet game.

-Foxtrot4m ago

Rockstar?

Yeah I loved playing Red Dead Redemption on PC…….

@Cacabunga

I highly doubt it, PC gamers have their setups, if they didn’t budge for years to get a console despite all the cool exclusives then they aren’t going to budge now knowing a new PS5 game will get a port 2 years later

thorstein4h ago

How?

According to Sony, by co launching live service games like Helldivers2 day one, then enticing PC players to want to play sequels on the console for SP games.

That's how. If you play Ghost of Tsushima and Sony launches GoT 2 on PS later this year, you're more apt to want to grab the console and play the sequel instead of waiting.

Domkakop2h ago

Don't think you have a grip on how PC players consume.

ThinkThink2h ago

Yeah, pc players are the most patient of players. They will just wait for the game to come to pc.

Tacoboto1h ago

You're just spitting back out the Sony PR line.

PC-first and PC-centric gaming is a different beast. Helldivers 2's popularity and GoT's popularity are because they're good solid games, not because they're from PlayStation publishing.

It's the same PlayStation that put Helldivers 2 for sale internationally, then pulled their PSN-Steam removal card. The same PlayStation that released Returnal with UE4's dreaded shader stutter. The same PlayStation that released TLOU Part 1 in a broken state.

If Sony's PS4 slate of titles didn't convince PC gamers, if their current PS5 titles still don't, ports of games they've had *years* of knowing and reading and hearing about aren't going to convince them to finally buy a console.

Don't fall so easily for the same PR BS that fabricates quotes from their own studio heads.

VincentVanBro1h ago

Nah I’ll wait for the best version on PC lol

JEECE21m ago

I mean that's certainly the thinking, but for most PC gamers that just won't work. Like in a rare circumstance if someone was already on the fence about a console that might get them to take the plunge and buy a PlayStation, but it will be the exception rather than the rule.

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romulus2326m ago

You're mistakenly speaking for all PC gamers, there are bound to be some people who are not willing to wait and for Sony those are potential console buyers.

helicoptergirl8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

"While Helldivers 2 was released day and date on both PS5 and PC, don’t expect single-player narrative-driven games to be released in the same boat by Sony anytime soon. - This was confirmed by PlayStation’s soon-to-be co-CEO Hermen Hulst in Sony’s business segment presentation"

There you have it. Won't be 'day and date' single player games on PC anytime soon or for the forseeable future. They understand single player games are Playstation's backbone.

CrashMania7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

So much for the nonsense narrative that playstation is somehow failing so they are going to immediately start releasing every single game day and date on PC lol.

Elda4h ago

That is what the competition has to deal with.

Domkakop2h ago

Yea people tend to project the behavior of their favourite failing publisher onto Sony. Sony is not a failing publisher

Elda4h ago

Agreed. First & foremost Playstation not only wants to sell their AAA first party games but their gaming consoles to play them on that is why their AAA first party games come to PC later after it sells on PS consoles.

ocelot075h ago

I was told that Playstation was doing so bad on here and on X that Helldivers 2 was going to release on Xbox and Sony was going to start releasing all games on pc day and date with playstation. Why do people constantly lie on the internet!!!!!

Hofstaderman4h ago

Sour XBOX fanboys trying to vindicate Phil's dumbass decisions.

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Fishy Fingers4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

We've gone from you'll never see PS games on PC, to you'll never see any PS games day one on PC, to you'll see some PS games day one but have to wait for others.

I mean, its kinda looks like it's heading one way no? That "wait" is going to get shorter and shorter.

Fishy Fingers3h ago

It's happening.

God of War 2018 - 4 years
Horizon Zero dawn - 3 years
Horizon Forbidden West - 2 years

XiNatsuDragnel3h ago

That's a smart move because at the end of the day playstation is a hardware business and need to sell hardware folks

Software_Lover3h ago

Meh, I'm done with consoles altogether.

Bathyj2h ago

Considering the amount of bangers PlayStation and Nintendo make, your name doesn't sound very apt.

darthv722h ago

Well I think he means that on PC, all software eventually is playable on it. Which is true.

Consoles just are a convenient way of playing some sooner than later.

ApocalypseShadow1h ago

Darth, all software eventually is playable on PC through emulation and theft of games. You forgot that part. It's not through legal means.

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Avowed Moved to Unreal Engine 5.3

With Support from The Coalition

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ThinkThink1d 16h ago

That's great news. Hopefully the Coalition can smooth some of those edges from the last Avowed reveal.

phoenixwing1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Well I'm annoyed. Especially at all the ppl who said the graphics sucked. It's your fault they probably shifted the game to unreal so it could look more fancy for you. I was ok with it and hoping to actually play it sometime soon. Now it's like 99% chance it's delayed.
Edit: effing graphics whores

Obscure_Observer1d 5h ago

"Well I'm annoyed. Especially at all the ppl who said the graphics sucked. It's your fault they probably shifted the game to unreal so it could look more fancy for you."

What the hell are you talking about dude? Avowed was already in development using the UE5. The Coalition is just helping Obsidian in the transition to its latest version (5.3)

MrBaskerville1d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

Probably not even that big of a difference. Coalition might only have helped because they got a deadline to meet.

Unreal isn't nearly as bad as Unity when you update a project. Though it obviously depends on the project. But unity generally gets an aneyurism if you threaten to update, where Ue is usually less stingy.

Reaper22_1d 4h ago

In excited for Avowed and Gears 6.

Fishy Fingers1d 5h ago

It already was Unreal 5, its just moving to the latest build.

CantThinkOfAUsername20h ago

Latest build is 5.4 and it's better than previous iterations, particularly in animation and performance.

Lightning771d 13h ago

Apparently the latest build looks way better graphically. This rumor from Jez Cordin (who's credible) pretty much confirms it.

Interested in seeing more on Avowed in a few weeks.

Notellin1d 4h ago

UE 5.3 has been out since September of last year. I can't believe this is news or that anyone is hyping this up.

MrNinosan1d 4h ago

As Hellblade failed to set the world on fire, just like Halo Infinite and Starfield before it, it's time to look forward to the next Game of the Decade candidate.
Of course it needs to be hyped up ahead of time 😏

Notellin21h ago

I didn't mean the game itself. I can't believe there is a news article about an Unreal Engine update that launched a year ago.

Reading comprehension is tough for fanboys on N4G.

got_dam12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

@MrNinosan I just want to see what Obsidian can do with a real budget and development time. They have a made a some memorable games with massive time constraints an lackluster funding.

--Onilink--10h ago

Many games stick to a specific version of the Engine they had already been using to avoid delays, problems with migrations to newer stuff etc.
The version being released in September isnt really relevant, just that they decided to make the jump to it at some point in development, which is arguably good news since we know with each iteration, performance has been getting much better

MrNinosan6h ago

@got_dam
I actually look forward to Avowed, and hope that's the game that finally make my purchase of Series X in 2020 worth it.
The game I actually bought Series X for was Starfield, but sadly it didn't do it for me.

Avowed however has the potential to be incredible.

ThinkThink19m ago

MrNinosan, what is the last game that set the world on fire? Red Dead? GTA likely. Not every game has to set the world on fire. Those games that you mentioned fall into the 80's meta critic, and a lot of people enjoy them. And yes, I'm excited to see some of these 2024 games at the june conference.

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truthBombs1d 4h ago

I liked the games unique artstyle when It was revealed. I hope they're not making the migration based on criticism. It's only a rumor anyways

MrBaskerville1d 4h ago

I imagine the art style will stay the same. But there'll probably be some visual upgrades here and there.

anast1d 3h ago

This was the only game I was jealous of, but It's a wait and see game now. Plus, I can wait until they release it on PSN.

Miraak82 1d 2h ago

Right!!! Obsidian is like only XB GS that I wanna play there games . Pillars of Eternity is one of my fav game franchises and I'd love to step back into the world of Eora . Their world building and rpg systems are one of the best , I hope XB higher ups don't get in the way of them. If they released it on ps I would definitely buy it day 1

anast23h ago

I bought both Pillars for PC and Console. Good games.

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