Has Destiny Finally Killed the Halo Series?

While the Halo series has faded a bit with age, the Destiny franchise is doing amazingly well. Could one Bungie series be on the verge of surpassing the other? Is Halo about to...wait for it...meet its Destiny?!

[submarinna]

Ms has been beating this dead horse for a long time. Time for new ips folks

[Kribwalker]

i know right, why make another game in a series that sells millions when they can release the 13th version of a game like God Of War in 13 years.....i don’t get it

[Gazondaily]

Halo may not be the juggernaut it once Was (it has been about 16 years after all) but it's still a force to be reckoned with.

It's latest entry, even with it's weak SP has a stellar MP. Destiny's PvP doesn't even come close to scratching it.

Halo is long from dead. But 343 need to make sure that the next release is excellent in all areas.

[guyman]

"are you talking microtransactions like in Uncharted 4 and the last of us that were pay to win or like the ones in driveclub and street fighter 5 that are for items that are earnable in game?"

"i know right, why make another game in a series that sells millions when they can release the 13th version of a game like God Of War in 13 years.....i don’t get it"

That's the second time you've tried to throw punches at ps4 exclusives in as many articles which have no mention or relation to them. How pathetic and desperate. Pretty much sums up xbox fanboys on this site

[UCForce]

Poor statement. I will give you this Halo series are still stay strong. But how long is gonna last ? 343i need to understand more about the Halo in term of passion. If you looking back at Halo Bungie and Halo 343i, you knew Bungie was honest about their game and the flaws. 343i have some problems with it. Well, Halo 5 MP is top notch. But the Campaign was mediocre and what worse is that the campaign was also misleading. 343i didn't address it. Here the thing, MS need to let 343 to do a new IP and let the Halo series rest, so it can give them more time to think about making another one.

[TheTony316]

You don't see a new god of war game every 2 years. The new installment is vastly different then the previous games and unlike MS, Sony doesn't rely on the same 3 franchises every time.

[UCForce]

About God Of War series, i did have a criticism about it. And I wad skeptical about Santa Monica making another one. But at E3 2016, it completely changed my mind and blow me away. Because it's look different for good reason. But I can tell you this, new God Of War is a soft reboot.

[mochachino]

To be fair, the new GOW looks very different than the previous ones. Almost like a series refresh. They're taking some big risks and it looks like it's paying off.

[_-EDMIX-_]

But the difference is that it's negatively been affecting the series.

The new God of War game has taken a huge drastic shift because the developers understand that they cannot just keep doing the same thing they must Revitalize the series and look to become more creative even if it means removing specific Staples Halo have not done that.

And I have no clue what God of War has to do with this article......

[darthv72]

@tony... "You don't see a new god of war game every 2 years." no but you do see 2 GoW games per PS gen since the PS2. GoW1 & 2 were on PS2 while GoW3 and Ascension were on PS3. Now we will have GoW for PS4 and probably another GoW game before the PS5 (hopefully) but if they take their time like they are with GT (another PS series we have come to expect 2 per console gen) then this could be the first time they break that tradition. Not to mention that there were also 2 games released on PSP.

Total number of GoW related games up to this point is 6 with a 7th on the way.

As for Halo you had 1 & 2 on the og xbox. 3 & 4 on the 360 while also having a spin off (ODST) and a prequel (Reach) which are non-cannon and then picking up with 5 on xbo. There is likely to be a 6 but that prob wont appear until 2018-19.

Total number of Halo related games 7 (9 if you include RTS halo wars).

[DJStotty]

beating a dead horse lmao. Halo 3 was launched 10 years ago. We have had halo 4 and 5 in 10 years, hardly beating a franchise

[TheTony316]

Don't forget Halo Wars, ODST, Reach, Anniversary, Master Chief collection and Halo Wars 2. That's 8 games in 10 years.

[DJStotty]

Halo Wars - Different Genre
ODST/Reach - Spinoffs (not related to Master Chief or the story)
Halo Anniversary/MCC - Remasters which were welcomed by the halo fanbase

Try harder

[TheTony316]

It doens't matter if they're spin offs or not. They're still Halo games and part of the franchise. 8 games in 10 years is milking.

[_-EDMIX-_]

So why did you ignore Halo Reach and Halo ODST?

[darthv72]

@tony, if i may be so bold. God of War would also be considered milking due to having 12 games (soon to be 13) in the span of 12 years (GoW release in 05). And you complain about Halo having 13 games in 16 years (Halo released in 01)?

My numbers include every iteration of both (including mobile and portable and remasters/compilations). The only other game series i can think of that exceeds both would be GT with something like 15 releases over the course of its 20 year lifetime.

[DJStotty]

@Darth

That wont count on here as its a PS franchise, it only counts if its something Microsoft related lol.

I only class something as being milked if its copy/paste every iteration.

Putting a franchise into different genres is not milking. Its expanding on a franchise.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

The problem is Halo's quality declined and Destiny's went up with the improvements in the latest game, despite that, I don't consider Destiny a Halo killer, the developers are just favoring it over Halo at this point in time (I still feel that Destiny doesn't quite compete in the same space as Halo).

[DJStotty]

There are a few elements in Destiny that are "borrowed" from Halo which is to be expected as they were the same developer.

Either way i like both games and hoping that Halo 6 is better than 5. I didnt mind 5 and so far have every Halo released.

COD is milking a franchise you get a new one every year by 3 different developers

[MattSomething]

Halo 5 had the best multiplayer of the entire franchise, the best and most in depth Forge (which is huge for me personally) in the franchise, all of the DLC was free as not to segment the community, the best graphic in the franchise and the story campaign was ‘meh’ because people wanted to play as Master Chief. Seems like a pretty easy fix to me.

I’m hoping Microsoft has Joseph Staten working on the H6 campaign and pull Marty O'Donnell back into the studio to score the next soundtrack.

Halo 5 may have only sold about 5 million copies but that doesn’t mean the franchise is going snywhere anytime soon.

[NatFanBoyRestricted]

Yet it has the best support for online content on a platform that has the best online experience. PS doesn't have a single exclusive that matche Halos strongest points

[Suave_Langosta]

Anyone saying halo is dead is just plain wrong.

Yes single player was a low point. I agree.

But halo 5 MP is and still will be top notch. Maybe not the best out there, but it is still insanely fun, and lobbies are always full.

[spicelicka]

Halo 5 is still one of the best MP games on the market right now and miles ahead of Destiny in MP. Not to mention free DLC and post launch support every month. It has still sold 5 million copies, not even close to a dead horse.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

And the community is still alive and well. You can't do these things in any FPS game (other than Far cry maybe, but that's not MP focused game).

[_-EDMIX-_]

I agree

I would say that Halo killed itself.

[Bnet343]

it's still successful but not like Destiny. Destiny expanded to another console. All this means is that Bungie are gods and were gods back during the Halo days and and one of the very best. FACTS. Can't argue with facts. The numbers are there for Destiny and were there for Halo.

[Nu]

Gears of War is the last Microsoft exclusive keeping me with the Xbox.

[UKmilitia]

i enjoyed halo reach coop,but its a stale game and hated the online of everyone jumping round like tigger

[Sonic_Vs_Mario]

2 completely different games genre

[Summons75]

fps and fps?

[Chano]

Destiny is rpg.

[aconnellan]

"They both have guns. They must be exactly the same and direct competitors"

[Summons75]

@chano

Destiny barely qualitfies as an RPG. "Oh you level up, must be a full deep RPG"...not how it works. It's a FPS with light RPG mechanics or was I imagining it being in first person the whole time?

[_-EDMIX-_]

? Halo isn't an RPG and I put well over 80 hours in the first Destiny and can very much tell you indeed it is a RPG.

The elements in regards to RPG is not light, you are very much leveling up and the class of your character is definitely having real effects on bosses and enemies in the game.

Fallout and Elder Scrolls can be played in first person are you telling me that means they're no longer RPGs? The perspective of a game actually has very little to do with the genre..

[PhoenixUp]

Remember how last decade so many developers tried to create an alleged "Halo Killer."

How do you think they'd react if you told them in the future that the people who came closest to making a "Halo Killer" were the creators of Halo itself?

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

The Destiny games haven't really reviewed better than 343i Halo games. The Destiny games seem to hold players longer, but they are more casual and less competitive than the Halo games. In this current-era of gaming, it is generally shooters with a lot of skill-gap compression that hold players the longest. Lastly, Halo and Destiny are pretty different games, one is a Sci-fi military shooter, with arena focused mp, while the other is sci-fantasy, with a stronger emphasis on PVE.

[Cmv38]

I think you're being so defensive, you're missing the point.

[Summons75]

343I did a pretty good job of that themselves.

[UCForce]

But not good enough. MS need to let 343 to do their own thing by creating new IP.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Absolutely agreed

They're draining this team to death making the same thing over and over again. If Microsoft doesn't allow this team to make a new intellectual property clearly they're going to divide themselves and go to a publisher that will.

[Elda]

I'm digging D2 very much!

[zerocarnage]

Halo is not dead as a franchise it just needs to evolve and it can do into a fair amount of genres. Halo wars is still a very successful RTS though I think the fps has sinked somewhat.

To say Destiny has pretty much killed halo though is a very blinded statement to make. Destiny I would call brilliant. I've certainly learnt to not trust either Activision and bunjie after I felt so ripped off by the game in many ways as well as how they showed how inexperienced they are.

The problem with halo as an fps it now needs to bring a game out every five years or so.

Halo as an mmorpg could succeed whether its a third or first person could work very well, Halo has God knows how many games that have deep history and lore in that can easily aid the development and evolvment of halo into a fully fledged mmorpg. Halo is the type of game that can evolve and find success, because many will take notice because of its brand name that's been built up.

If ms thought about it and chose to develop halo into something much more than just a typical shooting fps then they could see success again.

Where as I have only enjoyed the halo wars franchise and have not halo fps, I would however go wild for an Halo mmorpg. You only have to see anthem and the hype that has generated for that game. Mmorpg's usually are the fantasy type, it's rare to see the sci-fi mmorpg's done to the extent like what guild wars,wow, rift, final fantasy online, psu.

I think ms still have a few cards to play to bring the halo name back to the top, but will they play those cards and think of evolving Halo into what it should be now or needs to be that is the question.

But let's keep stupid thoughts of Destiny killed halo out. Halo had problems before the first Destiny came out and Destiny isn't nothing to do with halo apart from one game shares an ex developer.

Besides in some months the community will start dieing again on destiny for a while because the games gone boring, people have completed most of what's available and they arnt releasing dlc fast enough and other games have been released.

[TheColbertinator]

Halo is snuffing itself out year after year. The "Ringworld" story approach was cool but its legacy and lore aren't going above anymore.

After 343 butchered the story in 4 and 5,I was left wondering why should I care. The plot is now so hammy I could take the script and toss it with a scrambled egg and a cup of coffee for a decent breakfast.Why should I care what the Arbiter,Chief or Cortana do anymore since 343 decided to focus on the MP which has remained the same since 3.

Destiny is not a factor,its merely another option if you like FPS games. 343 should focus on the Mp,someone else fix the campaign before its pure nonsense

[ninsigma]

Why does it have to kill it?? Both can exist setbthe same time No??

[aconnellan]

With this site's obsession with Sony killing MS, it comes as no surprise that the general consensus around here is that only 1 type of game or console should exist at a time

[ninsigma]

It's why I've severely reduced the comments I make. Mostly uninteresting. It doesn't even make sense to want to kill it off. As someone who is a big fan of Destiny, and think halo (campaign, MP is fantastic) has gone to shit since 343 took over, I think it's a ridiculous notion to think it should be Destinys goal to kill halo or to even think it would be great of it did. You'd swear people didmt like games 😂

[G20WLY]

Neither game is a Sony game, though,so how does that even make sense? Quit starting shit you claim to take issue with.

[aconnellan]

@G2

My point wasn't that either game is Sony, its that the site has a mentality of "there can only be one! Competition can't co-exist, and one has to beat the other!"

I used the example of how a lot of people on this site want MS/Xbox to collapse just because they don't like Xbox. I didn't intend for it to come across that Destiny/Halo has anything to do with either publisher, just using the example to illustrate a point

[MrSwankSinatra]

I don't even like Halo, but even I can admit its far from a dead franchise. The only reason why its doesn't appear to be as big as it once was in the gaming space is due to the vast amount of casual players that have moved on from the series. They're too busy playing shit like Destiny or Destiny 2, PUBG, Overwatch, etc. Halo is just a series that appeals to the core gamers these days and that's not a bad thing at all. Though it can be noted that Microsoft artificially drove part of the audience to fatigue with the series, they put out too many games under the Halo Brand.

[DJStotty]

No, both games are different in so many ways. Halo has better lore and is a bigger universe.

Destiny has RPG elements which halo does not. Both games should be judged on their own merit and both games have their own fanbase and are good games in their own way.

[MetalGearsofWar]

Halo has been dead since ODST. That being said, I could name many games better than Destiny.

[sk8ofmnd]

Naw, halo is killing halo just fine it doesnt need any help. The same can also be said for gears of war. Bungie basically made a game similar to halo but did everything better... Hell most would agree destiny 1 is better than than the last 2 halos and destiny 2 is not even a contest but an udder bloodfest beatdown when comparing it to halo 5. There is 1 thing halo 5 did deliver on and that was the mp... But when you factor its negatives (shit story/bad single player) is the reason halo is going down the drain... If you make a halo and the s.p. and story suck ppl will bitch because halo used to have all 3. I LOVED the first 3 and i hope they can make halo 6 a huge success but if its 343 devs making 6 it may not matter how great it actually is... Most people that were diehard halo fans from xbox gen 1 and 2 have simply just moved on...

When uncharted 4 outsells halo 5, halo wars 2, gears of war 4, quantum break, sunset overdrive, and recore... Things are not looking good for ms 1st partys. Thats 1 game performing better than 6... If halo 6 isnt a huge success i just cant see ms dumping massive funds to make another halo... It will just turn into a bigger meh fest

[Vasto]

Played the beta on PC and PS4 and wont be buying it.

Every time I hear somebody put Destiny in same sentence as Halo I smh.

Destiny just came out to no competition from any other games and already there is simply nothing to even talk about anymore because its the same boring game as the first.

When playing Destiny all it does it reminds you of how better Halo is.
I feel sorry for people that cant play Halo and have to settle for something like Destiny.

[sk8ofmnd]

You can shake your head all day long if you want but halo used to sell +5 million in a week and now nowhere near those numbers lifetime sales...

The majority of xb users used to thrive on halo and gears of war but now they thrive elsewhere when you look at the declining sales since halo 1, 2 and 3 and gears 1 and 2...

[Vasto]

Where did I say anything about Halo sales? I am discussing the topic which is Halo vs Destiny.

Learn to read.

Now as for Halo sales,
Prove to me that Halo 5 did not do well on Xbox One.

I BET YOU THAT YOU CAN NOT DO IT.

/Waiting

[Goldby]

@Vasto.

using VG Chartz, so some numbers wont be truly accurate,
the Xbox sold approx 24 Million units,
Halo sold approx 6.5 Million units so that is just over a 25% attach rate.
Halo 2 sold approx 9 million units bringing the attach rate to just under 40%
Xbox 360 sold approx 86 million units,
Halo 3 sold approx 12 million units makign its attach rate 14%
Halo ODST sold 6 million units, attach rate of 7%
Halo Reach sold 10 million units giving it an attach rate of 11%
Halo 4 sold 10 million units, 11% attach rate
Xbox one has sold approx 35 million units
Halo 5 has sold 5 million units 14%

Halo is bobbing around the same attach rate of Halo 3, arguably the best in the series, the only real difference is if MS can continue selling the halo games as more people but their consoles.
EDIT: so just o be clear, im nto bashing, just putting out some "facts" for both sides to use as they see

[sk8ofmnd]

Learn reading comprehension.

My main point was sales = relevance

Halo 5 cant even be compared to destiny with shit single player, shit story, boring pacing, lies in their marketing campaign, and decling sales recently to laughable levels... Its almost like they thought the game would perform well no matter what they did.

We will see how "relevant" halo is if ms dont reinvigorate this dying franchise... And with their track record, it looks pretty damn bleak.

[Vasto]

So you cant prove it.

I thought so. LMAO

[sk8ofmnd]

Ill agree it did "well on the xb1" but its a far cry from what it used to do... No one but xbox fanboys even care about the series anymore... And thats a fact

[Brazz]

Halo is far from dead, but they realy need reboot the series. A new beginning, perhaps years after the events of H5. They could portray chief working whit new recruits ( new main character learning from chief), and the fall of mankind defenses after "what cortana did". A game that is connected whit previous games, but that feels like "new bllod" in halo.

[Vasto]

I do agree that its needs a reboot. Its time for Halo to go open world like Warframe.
Plains Of Eidolon has my attention over Destiny.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[MattSomething]

Halo is an MLG shooter built on balance, Destiny is not even close to being balanced. We can compare the two when we see the World Series of Destiny tournaments offering a million dollar purse. I don’t have any issue with Destiny but these comparisons are pointless.

[Enjoigamin]

I'm playing destiny now I like it ..pretty much the first one...but halo will always be on top in multiplayer i watch the mlg world serious every year and love it....guess what I was player after destiny one got boring...halo....guess what I play when cod gets boring ....halo...guess what I play when battlefield gets boring...halo...halo will always be played. ..bungie could of done alot better with destiny...like they did with Halo.

[chaos-emeralds]

Halo was done at 3. The story was done.

[Kosic]

Destiny has brought halo onto multi platform. Destiny has a lot of similarities to halo.

That it feels like you're playing a 4 player halo style looter.

[Software_Lover]

......... Halo is almost 20 years old. Destiny is something new(er), and a different style of FPS.

It says something for Halo that people have to continue asking this question everytime a new FPS comes out.

[Vasto]

/Agree

[masterfox]

If Halo is death is not because of Destiny is because of 343 Industries that didn't have the creativity to create a proper new Halo game.

[maybelovehate]

I cannot agree with that. As bad as the Campaign for Halo 5 was, Halo 4 had my favorite campaign of all the Halo games.

[InTheZoneAC]

Who's playing Halo?

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Destiny PvP is not very good. I think it shines more in PvE

[maybelovehate]

It shines in both areas in my opinion.

[Enjoigamin]

Pretty sure I just watched a halo world chamship the other month with tons of sponsers and players and fans....like 35000 people watching on jusy twitch...winners get million dollar pay out....gtfo with this trash..i just reached light level 260 on destiny and I enjoy it I love it. But to compare it's multiplayer to halo ...hahah.....you know what pisses me off the most about destiny I can't do tricks on my sparrow anymore ...fix it you kooks

[maybelovehate]

I would love to see 343i move on to new projects like Bungie did. Halo was an amazing series but it is time for something new.

[TheHan]

Well I know some gamers may be in denial but Halo is the King of Console exclusives. You could hardly compare Destiny to Halo as far as how great and glorious Halo is. Bungie has to repaint Halo with a New name Called “Destiny” How else do you think they came up with the game.

[corroios]

Halo is not dead, but lost the magic, the hype that it used to have. Losing Bungie was a huge, again huge, mistake for Microsoft, because it was their biggest studio.

Now, Destiny is the biggest seller in terms of FPS, even if the MP isnt on Halo lvl. But Destiny could be a Microsoft exclusive...

[martinlovegoodie]

Honestly I Loved the level design of Halo. I can go back and play halo 2 and still have fun.
the covenant are way cool. from their voices to their Looks. I love the overall universe Halo has made.
I loved getting on an alien banshee in a campaign and flying to the destination. I don't think destiny two is all that much better then destiny one. I think they are going to call of duty the franchise.

[FernDiggidy]

nah

[martinlovegoodie]

Halo
I loved All the community created content in Halo.
I remember Holding a shotgun with my team while we are getting picked off by zombies in a self moving maze. I would laugh so Hard.
And racing a mongoose on a track in the sky while trying not to fall off the edges,
All the while being yelled at by my backseet prater!
Controlling a Warthog is a joy in itself.Having your partner controlling the gun.
The moment when you flip the Warthog over in enemy territory. and you both are desperate to flip it over and you both keep knocking it up side down.
Then some grenade comes out of nowhere and blows it up right before your vary eyes.
Remember groups of Rocket Launchers on mongooses? lol. fly across the map.
On legendary you just get fucked over and over by invisible Covenant swords.
Throw grenade forward, sticks to an invisible covenant right in front of you!BOOOMM!!!
your friend getting mad at you, But Sometimes you Just enjoy dying and start the scene over again..
sorry Halo is in a class all its own.

[headblackman]

NEVER!!! halo is a beast in it's own league. it is they fps to be like in every sense of the word. halo is the fps to beat, but will never be beaten. that's why every developer's still searching for the formula to create a so called halo killer (but still have not!). have to be the beast that everyone one wants to take down and halo "IS" that beast! like it or love it, halo's hear to stay!

[XStation4pio_Pro]

they aren't really the same. they have aspects about them that are similar... like how the battles play out, the way the enemies move, react and talk are very reminiscent of Halo and even some of the environments and weapons... but it kinda stops there. Destiny goes into a whole other realm beyond immediate battle gameplay. Halo has absolutely no MMO or RPG qualities to it whatsoever and also follows a very linear campaign. In those regards they are completely different games and I think that makes them dissimilar enough for the point of this article to not be completely relevant.

That being said, I personally like playing Destiny more than Halo because its more in depth. I also think that Destiny not being exclusive to any platform set its up for better success. I think this is true of any game. Making a title available to more people is more opportunity for success and improved ROI for the developer/publisher. That also means more money for more content, updates, fixes etc.

[martinlovegoodie]

Halo
I loved All the community created content in Halo.
I remember Holding a shotgun with my team while we are getting picked off by zombies in a self moving maze. I would laugh so Hard.
And racing a mongoose on a track in the sky while trying not to fall off the edges,
All the while being yelled at by my backseet prater!
Controlling a Warthog is a joy in itself.Having your partner controlling the gun.
The moment when you flip the Warthog over in enemy territory. and you both are desperate to flip it over and you both keep knocking it up side down.
Then some grenade comes out of nowhere and blows it up right before your vary eyes.
Remember groups of Rocket Launchers on mongooses? lol. fly across the map.
on legendary you just get fucked over and over by invisible Covenant swords.
throw grenade forward, Hits an invisible covenant right in front of you!BOOOMM!!!
sorry Halo is still in a class all its own.
I've seen destiny maps recreated in forge.

[TotallyOriginalName]

I think Bungie killed it when they left the franchise to 343i. It’s just never had that same feel to it.

[xPaYDaYx]

Halo has been dead for nearly a decade now lol.