Now Sony’s Being Silly About Cross-Platform Play

Jim Sterling:

Cross-platform play is being embraced by both Microsoft and Nintendo. As with mods, Sony’s being a spoilsport again.

As Minecraft and Rocket League let Xbox One and Switch players interact, PS4 folks once again get stuck with inferior products.

[freshslicepizza]

I'm sure this will get downvoted as well but the more attention this gets the better it is for everyone. There is no downside at all to Sony allowing console crossplay (for CONSUMERS, so stop acting like a shareholder), they are just being self-centered at this point.

[FullmetalRoyale]

I agree with console cross play. But I definitely do not want to play with pc players.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Why?

[FullmetalRoyale]

http://media.tumblr.com/tum...

I knew I'd have to explain myself to someone. While there is cheating on consoles and pc, it is more common on pc. No I don't have anything against pc players. Mouse and keyboard isn't a big deal to me, but I'd rather not play against that as well.
I'm sure people are going to pile on, though.

[Monster_Tard]

Agreed, I don't want to play multiplayer games on my console with PC gamers that are exploiting games with mods.

[Blaze929]

so then why not just choose to play against console players only in matchmaking settings like most games give you the option to do? Gotta omit the feature completely lol?

[sonarus]

Lmao at inferior version Cus u can't play with switch players.... that cracked me up quite a bit

[Petebloodyonion]

You know that game that allows crossplay do feature an option to turn off crossplay search
right?

[Gazondaily]

Jim Sterling speaking the truth. NO ONE in their right mind would defend this.

Sony- get your act together here and truly be FOR THE PLAYERS!

[FullmetalRoyale]

@Blaze929

I DO choose to play against console players only, that's why I play on console, silly!

@Petebloodyonion

I think it's a waste to even have the option to play against them. Pc players can play against any pcs, and console players can play against any console.
There are many benefits to playing on pc. One of the benefits of console is that there are less people ruining the game for others for "fun." You guys take that risk, along with the good when you choose pc. That's your decision.

[ssmilloy36]

not sure why txidarkavenger asked why. kinda obvious idiot. keyboard mouse trump controller no matter how much microsoft overcharged you for your elite controller
keyboard mouse
higher fps
better network hardware
smoother
mods

[JaguarEvolved]

Sony should advertise xbl on their service PlayStation network as well, lol. Some people are so silly in thinking that Sony PlayStation who has sold more than twice the amount of Xbox one's worldwide should put xbl on their platform so PlayStation gamers can play with xbl gamers. Sony PlayStation gamers gaming with others on another gaming platform doesnt benefit Sony because sony thinks other gamers should be gaming on playstation and use psn. I like the xbox and my pc but Sony is the market leader in gaming right now and they are in gaming to make money. There would be less incentives for gamers without a PlayStation to buy one if they can game with their friends who has a PlayStation.

Thanks for the compliment

[PC_60]

Your ignorant and a peasant

[aquamala]

But Sony is allowing crossplay with pc (rocket league,etc) but not with other consoles
And really not an issue just make crossplay an option in settings

[GottaBjimmyb]

So you must really hate, SF5, FFXIV, DC Universe Online, Paragon, War Thunder and multiple other PC/PS4 crossplatform games. Weird I never recall you guys complaining before now. Hmmm..

[JackBNimble]

Are we still going on about this? I would like to see cross play too but it ain't going to happen so can we move on already.

Last gen when MS said no, no one went on about it like they are this gen. Get over it already people, it's not that big of a deal like some would have you believe.

[agent4532]

Why? Not all PC gamers are elitist

[TheUndertaker85]

Then in said situation would you be for a toggle to decide who you're playing with? Untick PC but allow others?

I do want to point out that for features like that crossplay needs to become more accepted, not less. I'd think getting to a point where users determine more of their options would come if crossplay is embraced rather than shunned for its current shortcomings.

[gamer7804]

I thought they had mentioned for some games choosing only console to play with

[S2Killinit]

@septic & moldy
Yeah I dont see why Sony needs to open the gates for MS to benefit from their install base. Its not like Sony has a shortage of players in their multiplatform games. I remember when Microsoft refused to do the same thing when they had a better install base. Now the shoe is on the other foot. MS is flexing their advertising muscles to pretend this is a new issue. I want Sony to kick MS in the butt with that shoe.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

I knew you would give a dumb reason so thanks for the laugh.

Cheating more common than console? Sure but it's not the majority like you think it is. Mouse and keyboard doesn't even have an advantage for every game, see Rocket League. Anyone who thinks PC games are plagued with cheaters are stupid and close-minded. Have you ever gamed on PC before? Don't reply because I already know the answer.

[SinisterKieran]

i'm a pc/console player and i agree. the pc community is toxic.

[Princess_Pilfer]

You've never really played PC games online have you?

Cheating isn't common. It's more common than on consoles, yes, but it's still very uncommon, for the same reasons (generally not fun, gets you banned.)

Also, if it was a FPS then maybe you'd have a point. It's not, however, so you're not at a disadvantage against mouse and keyboard players. In fact you'd have an objective advantage. WASD limits you to 8 way movement, the analogue stick is just that and so allows more precise control of the vehicle (specifically on a keyboard you are going all the way left or not going left at all, but on a controller you can be going anything inbetween all the way left and not left)

Stuff like that is the reason most PC gamers own a controller. Some games just work better on them.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

I find it odd that one of the most vocal Xbox fanboys on this site would have the nerve, audacity, and gall to tell someone to stop acting like a share holder. With that said, crossplay between psn and Xbox live isn't going to happen. If you'd stop allowing yourself to be used as a gullible pawn by Microsoft you'd accept it and move on.

[Prince_TFK]

There are no reasons that it couldn't happen, especially since Nintendo and MS can do it. Hell, even iOS and Andriod get cross play with both consoles with the introduction of the new Minecraft update.

It is inexcusable for Sony to prevent it. To say otherwise is just showing that you are a blind fanboy who accept any spoonfeed from Sony without questioning it.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@Kun_ADR
So you won't even consider the possibility that opening PSN could make it vulnerable to online threats? Perhaps Sony doesn't believe that allowing crossplay with Xbox live would benefit PSN users in any tangible way. What ever Sony's reasoning is, they do not owe you or anyone else any other explanations beside those they have given. It's ridiculous to even attempt to claim that this situation is anti-consumer since Sony isn't denying service to anyone who actually pays for PSN. This dead horse is starting to rot. How long will you and others continue to beat it?

[mcstorm]

For me I think cross platform will be better for the industry more than anything else. More players to play each other online on the lesser selling games as well as the better selling. Just think how good it would be if cod players had access to each other no matter what platform they have. Or for me who dose not own a PS4 but have friends that do so we could play BF together. It would not hurt console sales as then it would be about exclusives for who picks up what console. For me anyone saying we should not have cross platform is being silly how is it a bad thing as I cant see it in any way as a bad thing.

[gangsta_red]

No more odd than the many Sony fanboys who go on complete rage enduced rants on anything that has to do with Xbox exclusives, any tweet that Phil Spencer puts out, or any Greenburg article.

Used as gullible pawns? The only ones being used are the ones defending this and accepting of it. They seem to like being told what they don't need or want.

Sure was different last gen...

[Petebloodyonion]

@IgiveHugs2Naked
"It's ridiculous to even attempt to claim that this situation is anti-consumer since Sony isn't denying service to anyone who actually pays for PSN."

I'm sure you will agree that when Capcom remove some fighters, stage, secrets, etc from a game so they can sell them as DLC it's a dick move.
When MS says, we want you to always be connected to the Internet (even when game need day1 patches making online mandatory) It's a dick move
Well, same here, paying for an inferior version of what the game could be is anti-consumers.

[EatCrow]

PSN is already vulnerable to online threats...wow. What imaginable extra openings are you envisioning it will create?

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@gangsta_red
If you read my comments carefully I'm not defending Sony's decision one way or the other. I'm just saying that PlayStation is a business and they aren't here to cater to every whiny person on the internet, especially people who aren't even paying to use their service. SEE JIM STERLING
Sony owns PSN and if you're not paying for it, you have no say in how they run it.

[Death]

@Hugs,

It's amusing that you are offended at being called a shareholder. I would rather many of you and I actually own shares so we would at least have a vested interest in our campaigns.

As for crossplay not happening, it won't if you don't ask for it. If you assume it wont and simply toe the line, nothing will change. I'm surprised at how much Microsoft has changed since 2013 and much of this is due to the complaints gamers have had with the system. The irony is the most vocal are Playstation fans, but the outcome is the same. There is no doubt Sony is the leader in gaming this gen. I don't think it's because they are perfect though, there is room for improvement. Things won't change though unless fans ask for it. There was a time Sony's faithful wanted crossplay. There was a time not too long ago they wanted the most power. There was a time they wanted backwards compatibility and a time they wanted the ability to play the highest fidelity movies. A lot has changed and with each feature they lost, they cheered Sony on for doing it.

Who is losing out with these missing features? Some of you really are your own worst enemy.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Death, you stating that I'm offended by you and others beating a dead horse isn't even worth responding to. As for crossplay, I don't care if it happens one way or the other. I'm just enjoying the games the PS4 is getting.

[TempahRelapse]

You're welcome to call him a pawn, as long as you're willing to admit that there are thousands of Sony fanboys treating PlayStation/Sony like gospel.

I'm not bashing the consoles. Both have their pros and cons, that is all I'll say.

[TripleCs]

@EatCrow

"PSN is already vulnerable to online threats"

Just like every other online service is vulnerable to online threats. Nothing is 100% secure and hacker proof. You're insane if you think otherwise lol. I can't speak for Hugs but I don't think Hugs is saying PSN isn't vulnerable. What I think Hugs is saying is that cross-play could possibly make it more vulnerable to online threats which doesn't sound far fetched and is probably true.

[gangsta_red]

@Igive

"Sony owns PSN and if you're not paying for it, you have no say in how they run it."

So basically accept everything they hand you without question or complaint? I wonder what you said during the whole DRM thing with the Xbox One launch...wonder if you were as accepting then?

Your stance sure does change a lot in defense of this and that is just in this thread alone. It went from Sony fans don't really want this, Microsoft using people as pawns, opening PSN to online threats to just plain old "can't do nuttin bout it".

Sounds like every defense in the book in just three comments you made.

"...even consider the possibility that opening PSN could make it vulnerable to online threats?"

So crossplay service with Xbox/Switch has more of a risk than what they have done currently with the PC? Seriously?

[GottaBjimmyb]

@hugs
Your entire premise is wrong. PS4 owners do care about crossplay. I can say, as a PS4 owner, and as someone who owns both XB1 and PS4 largely to play with friends who don't have the other, I want it. It sounds to me, that just because you have no friends and are extremely biased to defend anything Sony does, you feel some inherent need to defend Sony here.

The reality is it IS NOT just xbox owners who want this. In fact, I know, just myself, multiple people IN PERSON who wish they could play with XB1 only owners that they are friends with. Basically, you are just making a unfounded analogy that because you don't care, no PS4 owner would.

More so, beyond the fact of playing with friends, you have the reality that after an extended period player bases on games die down, yes, even on PS4. Crazy right?

PC, switch and XB1 are all doing cross-platform so why is it that you say only xbox one owners care, and ONLY because they want to play with PS4 owners. The reality is, that is not true, and couldn't be true, or else Sony would have Pc cross-platform games like:
SF5, FFXIV, DC Universe Online, Paragon, War Thunder, werewolves within and multiple other PC/PS4 crossplatform games.

If Noone cared, and Sony has so many player they would never need such a feature, why does sony do so with so many games already? Should Sony just remove Pc players from those games? According to you, not a single person would care.

The reality is you are a pious Sony fan who just tries to act like an carefree third party who has no personal interest, when you are really one of the worst fanboys on this site.

[rainslacker]

I wouldn't say it'll never happen. The two companies probably just have to come to agreeable terms. Sony doesn't seem against cross play in principal. The thought that they don't want to do it to give their competition a boost holds some water, except that Sony stated that they consider PC a major competitor, so that argument kind of goes out the window if that's the case.

Something is holding it up, and maybe whatever that is can't be reconciled easily. Who knows? Probably only Sony and MS. Anyone of import outside these two may have knowledge, but they aren't likely to spill the beans because that isn't typical within the gaming industry.

I guess for the time being, if it's really that important to people, they can make their game/console purchases accordingly. Bitching about it on N4G isn't going to change anything. Maybe going to Sony's forums or twitter accounts and making a fuss there would. There certainly are more productive methods of getting what they want that don't involve hating on Sony constantly. If it hasn't worked for the past year, maybe it's time for people to consider a different tact.

I agree with you on your opinion of Moldy though.

[zerocarnage]

You talk to much crap.

[freshslicepizza]

@rainslacker
"Something is holding it up, and maybe whatever that is can't be reconciled easily. Who knows? Probably only Sony and MS. Anyone of import outside these two may have knowledge, but they aren't likely to spill the beans because that isn't typical within the gaming industry."

You just can't help yourself always trying to drag MS into what it might be. Totally ignoring previous games that Nintendo tried to get crossplay with and Sony ignoring those requests too. We also heard time and again from the people at Rocket League ITS NOT MICROSOFT. Why you continue to be so tone deaf to just admit it's Sony really speaks volumes. Nintendo is onboard so why do they and the PC community not have a problem?

"I guess for the time being, if it's really that important to people, they can make their game/console purchases accordingly. Bitching about it on N4G isn't going to change anything."

They won't change unless people talk about it. Rockstar for example just retracted mod support on GTA5. Why you guys continue to give no pressure on Sony is alarming, but completely expected because you still want to make MS part of this mess. So mahy still think every game (not just Minecraft) will now run on Microsft servers or that every crossplay game with the Xbox means Playstation fans will have to create a Xbox Live account.

Micrsoft did this last gen
Microsoft will send me ads
Microsoft needs the larger install base
Microsoft is just trying to make Sony look bad
Microsoft wants everyone to have Xbox Live accounts
Microsoft made me addicted to Mountain Dew and Dorito's

What a joke. Sony loyal fans continue to want to make Xbox their arch nemesis.

[THRASHMOUTH]

I've seen how most Xbox players act, I pay for a premium service NOT to play with them. No, this isn't any hate to Microsoft just their user base.

[bluefox755]

There's no upside. The fans don't care. So what incentive do they have? What sense does it make to share their much larger install base with Microsoft?

[ForeverTheGoat]

"The fans don't care."
Umm you don't speak for the 60 million+ PS4 owners.

[Sunny_D]

It seems to me if people want to play with PS4 players so bad then they should go ahead and get a PS4. Since they seem to want it more than the PS4 players. And that's exactly why Sony wants to have crossplay.

[Death]

@blue,

There are far more PC and Xbox players than the 60 million on PS4. The world does not revolve around Sony. There are well over 100 million copies of Minecraft sold. Just how many do you think are on Playstation? Playstation represents the smallest userbase on it's own. The only ones hurt by not getting the content are Sony gamers. They are losing out on the expansion as well as user created content. The rest of the world is perfectly fine.

[Ricegum]

Death

I think most of the people who want cross platform play are Microsoft fan boys like yourself. And making out that Sony are terrible for not allowing it, most people couldn't care less about it lol.

Move on, it's not going to happen. You Xbox fans getting bored waiting for your beast?

[Death]

I think gamers in general are for cross platform play. As an Xbox fan, I would rather Sony not allow cross platform play since it's another of a list of reason why Xbox is better. I mean the whole point of having something like this is to hold over the heads of the competition, right? Cross play on it's own isn't really much reason to buy an Xbox over a Playstation. Neither is 1.8 additional Tflops of power, or backwards compatibility or UHDBR playback or Play Anywhere games. When you start combining these features and benefits instead of listing them separately though, you start to get a pretty compelling reason to buy one.

Sony isn't just blocking crossplay. There is content in the Better Together update that Playstation fans wont have access to either. Minecraft is about community and the crazy things people create and share. PC, Xbox, Switch, iOS and Android gamers won't notice that Playstation fans are missing. It's incredible that some of you actually think other gamers even want to play with you.

I think Minecraft fans on Playstation would enjoy and appreciate the ability to create and share with the rest of the Minecraft community. The rest of you waving your pom-poms and supporting not having yet another feature are making the Playstation what it is. Xbox gamers are simply scratching their heads trying to figure out why you enjoy having less features and benefits. I don't think gamers can even laugh about it anymore. It's more sad than anything.

[freshslicepizza]

@bluefox755
"There's no upside. The fans don't care. So what incentive do they have? What sense does it make to share their much larger install base with Microsoft?"

Ofv course there is, good pr is one of them. What was the upside to allowing crossplay with the PC? having access to larger pools of players is not a bad thing and not every PS4 game is quick and easy to find matches. A game like Titanfall 2 could definitely use it, same with online only games like For Honor.

You guys are just acting strange over another option just because some of you have a problem with Xbox. There is a much larger picture to this than Xbox. Developers would not be asking if they didn't see an upside so how come they can but you can't?

[rainslacker]

As a fan, I can say I'm not against it, and would even welcome it, but generally I don't really care about the feature. But that comes more from me not caring about MP that much. I think people that really care, probably aren't so fussed about it they need to rage every time the issue comes up. If they were, I'm not sure why they brought the console in the first place, since console cross play is a rather recent development. Seems the whole thing became something to rage about about a year ago when Spencer said MS was open to the feature.

[DogJosha]

@moldy I usually find your opinions to be shortsighted and a bit fanboyish, but you are spot on for a change. If the boundaries of cross play are brought down then people are no longer tied to a system due to their buddies using that system. This is nothing but a benefit for consumers, and would help push Sony to make competitive decisions again like adding in BC.

As far as people fearing Sony losing sales if they add cross play, that is a possibility but not a guarantee. I don't know how many people I've met that really badly wanted a PS4, but ended up with an Xbox One due to wanting to play with their friends. That could potentially be millions of people making a switch.

[Allsystemgamer]

I care. I'd love to be able to play rocket league from my pc with my PlayStation friends.

[zerocarnage]

That's abit of a bold statement to claim, not only is the opinion your throwing out your own, you also don't speak for everyone else out there.

There will always be the percentage that will,won't and then there's the maybes.

To say no one cares is very wrong considering on these forums alone enough ruckus is being made over cross play.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

@allsystemgamer
PS4 already has crossplay with PC.

ughhhhh....

@Moldy

Sony isn't blocking crossplay with PC. They've had crossplay with PC since 2002. This fanboy nonsense is getting really old.

[generic-user-name]

*Things you weren't saying last gen.

[Bathyj]

Why do you even WANT to play against PlayStation players? You don't like PlayStation or anything about it and most of them don't like you either. I sure as hell don't want to listen to some snot nosed Xbox fanboy trash talking the console I love when I'm gaming (if I gamed online).

We can't even be civil to each other in a monitored forum, what would it be like in an online game?

This is just another thing being drummed up to be the greatest feature of all time like BC just to make Sony out to be the bad guy because let's face they've barely made a step wrong all gen. How about if you want to play against the largest online console base, you go and buy a PlayStation. Or better yet, don't.

[gangsta_red]

"We can't even be civil to each other in a monitored forum, what would it be like in an online game?"

But you just admitted you don't play online and yet you claim some Xbox fanboy would trash talk your precious console you love...

Extreme overexageration and idiocy just to defend another feature Sony says you don't need. I wonder if the superior PC race trash talks PS4 during any crossplay game...or is that bit of fiction only reserved for your fairy tale about snot nosed Xbox fanboys...lol as if Sony fanboys wear tuxedos, drink red wine and recite slam poetry while playing Rocket League. But again you wouldn't know since you don't play online games right?

So funny to see some of you against this, complaining about mp or being online. Are most Sony fanboys introverts with zero social skills? Because the way some of you avoid the perils of online is suspect.

What exactly is wrong with playing against players on another console?

You guys jump up and down when it's cross play with PC, no problems reported and fun times is always had but then curl up in a ball and yell out about 'large user base", "Sony fans don't care", whenever Sony says no to Nintendo or MS.

I'll have to remember these *Sony fans don't care* type comments next time some of you who lean heavy on Sony go on your "MS/Xbox doesn't..." rants that happens every other day on this site.

[Shadowlee]

Lol Gangsta Red owned you!

[Ricegum]

Shadowlee

No he didn't own him. At all.

Silly bit of input there from you.

[freshslicepizza]

@Bathyj
"Why do you even WANT to play against PlayStation players? You don't like PlayStation or anything about it and most of them don't like you either. I sure as hell don't want to listen to some snot nosed Xbox fanboy trash talking the console I love when I'm gaming (if I gamed online)."

Tell us all how you really feel.

"We can't even be civil to each other in a monitored forum, what would it be like in an online game?"

Maybe you should lead by example.

"This is just another thing being drummed up to be the greatest feature of all time like BC just to make Sony out to be the bad guy because let's face they've barely made a step wrong all gen. How about if you want to play against the largest online console base, you go and buy a PlayStation. Or better yet, don't."

You sure sound like a great person to play with online.

[DigitalRaptor]

Look at the usual suspects in every Sony cross-play article trying their hardest to argue, as if they actually care.

These fraudulent hypocrites are so caught up in the console wars as the fanboys that they claim not to be, that they don't even hold the same standards here for Microsoft that is doing the same thing by not allowing cross-play between Windows 10 store games and Steam games. Absolutely no effort on the part of their first-party to interface players on competing PC services. Yet it's not been brought up even once. At least 2 of these people I'm referring to claim to be PC gamers and to prefer gaming on that platform for its many options over consoles, and yet they care more about a lack of cross-play on PS4 than the do on lack of cross-play on their preferred gaming platform. That says everything about the seething agenda these people have the audacity to pretend doesn't exist. They only pretend to care about both sides of the same coin, but never genuinely represent.

I've posted this exposure many times. I've especially owned moldybread over his sensational and tone-deaf hypocrisy over the past few months, and yet it's ignored in favor of the regular disingenuous, biased and one-sided criticism that they hate coming from a certain fanbase, but don't feel like addressing when MS is doing it.

[Bathyj]

Did I say PlayStation gamers would be any better? No. That's kind of my point. We're all just as bad as each other. Lump us all together in a competitive online game and give us all microphones no less, and the trash talk would make N4G look like a day care center.

And thanks for accusing me of idiocy and poor social skills. Proves my point about not being able to be civil.

And you still didn't answer my question. Why do you even WANT to play against other consoles. I thought Xbox live was the greatest online community ever. Why would you want to slum it with us? If it's ago Damn good why are you crying about not being included on PSN. Why do hardly any PS4 owners care about this "issue". Because it's just a beat up.

You guys will whinge Sony won't let you play against them but don't complain Microsoft doesn't care enough about you to make a decent amount of quality games. That the biggest cheer they got at E3 was you can play Crimson skies again.

And I don't need to play online to know Xbox players and PS4 players together would lead to bad blood. Is that even a debate? Your attacking me for having a different opinion has enough to surmise that not to mention 10 years in this place.

[freshslicepizza]

@Bathyj,
"And I don't need to play online to know Xbox players and PS4 players together would lead to bad blood. Is that even a debate? Your attacking me for having a different opinion has enough to surmise that not to mention 10 years in this place."

I don't have bad blood with anyone. Maybe I am naive but I think most people here enjoys playing games and if we played each other we'd probably have a good time. I play on the PC, I have an Xbox Live account but that is for Windows only. I play people all the time in Forza Horizon 3 and never even think of PC versus Xbox, we just play.

I also look at games like Star Trek Bridge Crew. It looks fun as hell and you have Oculus, PS4 and Vive players all mixed together. To me that is great to just get gamers together. It could also really help smaller studios and lesser known titles to get a healthy fanbase to make games last longer. Blocking crossplay is just a dumb move and makes you look like a jerk.

[gangsta_red]

@bathyj

First of all I find it drop dead hilarious that you are applying your N4G experiences to what you may have online, what's even funnier is you are making this up of what you think may happen even when admitting you don't play online. So how can you even come to this conclusion when you have no experience in it?

"Proves my point about not being able to be civil."

Lmao, of course...only after you made the claim of not wanting to play online with "snot nosed Xbox fanboy trash talking the console I love when I'm gaming". You set the tone already bathy, you don't get to say all that and then expect a civil reply.

"Did I say PlayStation gamers would be any better?"

Actually you didn't say anything about PlayStation gamers at all, you just made it a point that Playstation gamers don't want to play with snot nosed Xbox fanboys.

"Why do you even WANT to play against other consoles."

Why not? Are we not gamers? What exactly is the problem and why is this question even asked? It's so hilarious to see people ask us on n4G why and not ask Sony why they aren't allowing it. You have no problems with PC crossplatform play, there are no incidents or accusations of PC user abuse but all the questions of concerns comes into play when it's time for Xbox or switch.

"And I don't need to play online to know Xbox players and PS4 players together would lead to bad blood."

That's a shame and probably holds a lot more truth to what I said about social skills because I know a lot of PS4 and Xbox owners who are civil, can hold conversations and can wipe the fanboy bs from their mouths and discuss and just game, it's too bad a person who doesn't game online can't be apart of that and would rather be closed off because Sony is protecting the children...and stakeholders.

Lol, no one is attacking you for a different opinion. We are disagreeing with you because what you said makes no sense.

[DarXyde]

No downside at all? I'd say that's false. I'm not sure why they're okay with PC cross play since, depending on the game, their potentially higher frame rates and range of inputs could give them a distinct advantage. t's not something that you can implement with every game, that's for certain.

Am I against it? In principle, no. I'm not entirely sure Sony has a problem with it either. People often forget they've allowed it since PS2. Sony's excuse is very obviously bogus, but I think it's clear that it's a matter of direct competitors. One of the purposes behind these walls is a business decision. Are you so sure Microsoft and Nintendo aren't just "on board" because they stand to gain the most from it?

It's a feature I'd personally never use, but judging by how Xbox and PlayStation fans treat each other on sites like this, getting them together is probably not a great idea.

Sony should be ridiculed for their reasoning, but their actions have historically shown that they are willing to allow it with PC. It's just a matter of consoles.

[yeahright2]

I agree moldy. It doesn't make financial sense for Sony to do it. their point of view, which they will never just come out and say, is if you want to game with your friends, they need to buy a PS4. they're in first place, by a lot, so that's a smart move for them. But for the gamers it's not. A game like minecraft I'll back them up on as I can see them not wanting PS owners to sign onto xbox. but a third party title like rocket league? come on. And I don't think anyone buys the "it's about the poor innocent kids" line. it's all about missing out on a small number of console sales. it's the same reason xbox didn't want to do it last gen, and it's the same reason PS doesn't want to do it this gen, and its the same reason why whomever comes out on top next gen won't want to.

[trooper_]

GIVE IT A REST ALREADY.

[arkard]

Moldy you get down voted because every single cross play article you're the first to comment. Sony stands to gain nothing from cross play. Is it pro consumer? Yes. So would be including a Bose audio system in all vehicles. Or Movie Theatres only charging 5$ for movies on weekends instead of Tuesdays. The only reason Microsoft is doing it is a PR stunt (or to make more people sign up for xbox live, depending on the game) Nintendo currently has the lowest amount of members and a fledgling online service, of course it makes sense for them. Don't on the other hand, not so much. If someone is on the fence on which console to buy, but his 3 friends have a ps4, hell probably get a ps4 to play with them. This might not be the case if cross play was a thing. There just isn't a good reason for Sony to do it.

[Sharky231]

To have cross play I bet we would have to have a live subscription. I bet that's the whole reason the talks fell through. We would be on microsofts servers. That's the details they don't wanna mention. That would be a big chunk of money Sony would be losing to Microsoft.

[freshslicepizza]

You guys just keep going in circles, round and round hoping people will agree and that's that. Rocket League does not require Playstation fans to create a Xbox account and the game will not run on Xbox servers.

It's pretty obvious a lot you guys are just looking for excuses, not sure why. If you don't care about crossplay then why are you guys here? There are dozens of other topics, nobody is forcing you to make a comment. But if you do make a comment at least try and know what you're talking about since the information is easy to get.

[DigitalRaptor]

"You guys just keep going in circles"

Pot, kettle, black...

You keep getting owned for how embarrassingly hypocritical, disingenuous and biased you pretend not to be but you keep crawling back on to your high horse, only to re-wind the gears of hypocrisy for all to see.

I think you already aware by now that I've responded to you many times now exposing probably the biggest and most egregious ever double standards you've ever come out with. I wonder when you're actually going to acknowledge.
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"If you don't care about crossplay then why are you guys here?"

Oh dear... so you seem to care about cross-play by your obsession with Sony's stance on it? When and where have you ever complained about Microsoft's lack of cross-play between Windows 10 store and Steam games on the platform you claim to prefer?

Ding, ding, ding - he strikes again.

[rainslacker]

So does Jim Sterling state in this video why Sony isn't doing it? If not, he's no better than any forum goer assuming they know the deal. I usually like Sterling, but unless he has more knowledge on the subject than the average forum goer, I don't see why his opinion is any more valid than anyone else's since his opinions aren't based on anything worthwhile.

[freshslicepizza]

"So does Jim Sterling state in this video why Sony isn't doing it?"

Sony did respond but for whatever reason you want to keep giving them the benefit of the doubt. Even going as far as suggesting it's something about Microsoft. Why is it other than the most loyal fans seem understand Sony doesn't want to do this. Jim Ryan came out and said it, the developers like Rocket League came out and said, but you refuse to blame Sony.

Jim Sterling like most people out there with common sense now knows it ends with Sony. They refuse to be part of console crossplay and you refuse to believe it. Now that's what I call loyal.

[DigitalRaptor]

You don't actually care to represent the consumer.
You're being disingenuously and hypocritically one-sided to further your anti-Sony agenda.

I'll explain to you how these aren't empty words.
In case anybody was unsure about moldy's true intentions, look no further than this comment.

MS doesn't support cross-play between games bought on Windows 10 store and Steam, and they haven't even bothered to do it in their first-party games that support multiplayer. Third-party games? I've not seen any. Not once has he leveled complaints about that to anyone and is intentionally ignoring this to serve his (pretty obvious by now) agenda. That freedom-loving PC gamer in him should be rallying out and wondering why media representatives like Jim Sterling are not saying the same thing about that and applying the same thought process to that. Not once has he questioned it, which goes to show just how disingenuous and hypocritical and one-sided this guy really is. Remember, this guy hasn't had the intention of buying a PS4 this generation, but Sony lacking cross-play is more problematic to him than MS lacking in cross-play on the platform he claims to prefer for its greater options of play. That speaks for itself.

If it's not bad enough that he tried to convince people that mods on consoles was this HUGE game-breaking anti-consumer deal and that Sony was the bad guy for not allowing deeper mods, fast-forward 2 years later and there's almost nothing to show for it. Especially not from Microsoft's own first-party.

Has this dude ever once complained about MS's walled garden in the Windows 10 gaming ecosystem that restricts games more than games purchased outside of Windows 10? Nope. He claims to be a pro-consumer freedom-loving PC gamer but never once leveled the same level of concern about anything related to how the UWP was literally Games For Windows Live Part 2 - at the time, like he has with anything to do with Sony or how big a deal he thinks their lack of console cross-play is. I think his intentions speak for themselves at this point.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

He won't respond to Microsoft blocking Windows 10 crossplay with other platforms and operating systems because that would expose him to be the transparent hypocrite that he is. The thing is, no one should take him seriously, because anyone with any credibility on this site already knows that he's a hypocrite, so are many of the other Xbox fans who are PRETENDING to be neutral while constantly beating the drum for crossplay, EA, Access, backwards compatibility and other meaningless features that most PlayStation gamers could care less about. All of this fanboy defense mode nonsense is solely meant to divert attention away from the fact that Microsoft is horrible at making video games. The end.

[Major_Glitch]

It's moldy. When has he EVER been correct or logical about ANYTHING?
OT: Cross-play?! Is the Xbox community STILL going on about that? Guess they're getting tired of multiplayer games with empty lobbies.

[Mbofa6om]

Let me tell you something. I have a strong believe that there are so many people like a ball, if you try to hold them upon your head they'll fall, but if you shoot them to the trash they will come back. They called them the slaves. This is why sony refuse cross platform online playing cuz sony has many slabes agrees with it.
Thank you.

[MagicBeanz]

"There is no downside at all", that's your opinion and its not true.

[Realms]

How many times do people have to tell you that it doesn't make sense financially for Sony to allow cross play. MS had no problem saying no last gen so I don't see how it's become such a hot topic unless of course it's just a reason for MS fanboys like you to use it as an excuse to talk smack.

[segamaniaco]

Why this is good for PLAYSTATION CONSUMERS?
We have plenty of people to play with, in both games

[Major_Glitch]

Dear Xbox Fanboys,
YOU are the ONLY ones making a big deal about cross-play. The PC community doesn't care. The PlayStation community doesn't care. NORMAL people don't care. Why this is such a big deal to you lot, I'll never understand. If you really want to play with PlayStation users, go out and buy a PlayStation.

[kayoss]

Didn't Sony one time asked Nintendo if they can borrow one of their characters and Sony will lend them one of theirs?? I remember something like that happening but not sure if it was a joke or being serious.

[GottaBjimmyb]

Never heard of that, but this site is just mindless. It looks like the insane Sony fanboys that infest this site will support ANYTHING Sony does.

There is NO reason to support Sony on this, but still they spin in circles to defend this.

Why would anyone support a split player pool? Worst yet, these are the same people that bitched and moaned about MS not allowing FFXIV, yet now, suddenly they are all for blocking off crossplay.

This site is officially the breeding ground for the dumbest, most hypocritical group of online fanboy trolls I have ever seen.

[Ricegum]

"This site is officially the breeding ground for the dumbest, most hypocritical group of online fanboy trolls I have ever seen."

Yep, those Microsoft fans are the worst. It's laughable.

[GottaBjimmyb]

LOL,
@fullmetalroyale with the new fanboy narrative --- "PC cross-platform play ruins my experience."

So they must really hate, SF5, FFXIV, DC Universe Online, Paragon, War Thunder, werewolves within and multiple other PC/PS4 crossplatform games. Weird I never recall you guys complaining before now. Hmmm..

I don't know how you guys don't get dizzy from all the spin you do to defend anything Sony does.

@unreal Not saying there are none, but if you really think the 4 or 5 MS fanboys on this site outweigh or even compare to the hundreds of trolling PS fanboys that will die on the sword to defend anything Sony does, you are just lacking sincerity. Also, are you 5? The only response you could come up with, was not to explain how I was wrong, but to say "I know they are but what am I?" You are a perfect example of what I am saying.

[Sunny_D]

If you want to complain about the number of Sony fanboys versus Xbox fanboys, you do realize that logic dictates the larger install base is most likely going to have more fanboys right?

[GottaBjimmyb]

well, it certainly isn't 2:1 on this site, more like 10:1, and that is ignoring that many here are nintendo fans, PC fans, Or own and love both consoles, etc (you just assume everyone loves Ps4 and only PS4)

But regardless of proportion or anything, MS or Sony fanboy, I think being a shill for anything the company of your choice does is stupid. More so, I find it odd, that the only part of my message you guys seem to be addressing is the factual pointing out of the bias this site's userbase has, completely disregarding the fact that you and multiple other brainless drones are fighting against something that only benefits actual gamers. Guess it is really important to you to try to explain why you being and other being mindless zombie fanboys is ok, because "they do it too."

The only ones who benefit from no cross-platform play are shareholders and Sony themselves, because it makes people have to buy their hardware to play with PS4 players.

Again, many of the same people whining SPECIFICALLY, have bashed Ms in the past for not supporting cross-platform, about FFXIV. (rightly so)

Just a few examples:
http://n4g.com/news/1793171...
http://n4g.com/news/1567363...
http://n4g.com/news/1572984...
http://n4g.com/news/551477/...

[gangsta_red]

@GottaBjimmyb

Have to love those links you left and the concern in most of them asking MS to open up and allow crossplay. Also seeing the celebration from the comments for Sony being so open, but now here we are with people "not caring" when Sony has now rejected the idea and MS and Nintendo (of all people) doing it.

And I do agree, there were no concerns of "online threats", attacks, vicious fanboys when games featured crossplay with PC but for some reason these are hot topic bookmarks with console crossplay. It makes little to no sense other than an excuse of not having it.

Let's not forget Jim Ryan specifically said it wasn't because of any of those reasons and had more to do with the *kids* and more importantly stakeholders.

@Sunny_D

That statement really isn't a compliment, you're basically admitting that the PS4 has more d-bags than the other two consoles. Maybe it is for the best that Sony not allow PS4 gamers to play nice with others.

[rainslacker]

Yeah, it's not like the Xbox fan boys aren't in this thread with their same tired arguments based on nothing but their assumption about why Sony won't allow cross play. Nothing mindless about them at all. Moldy has been saying the same crap for over a year, and he won't even consider any possibility about why it doesn't exist except that Sony is anti-consumer and evil. Despite the only 2 people who probably have the best reasons stated why this isn't a thing pretty much explained it. Tekken Producer basically said it was a security issue....which means policy in terms of IT, and Jim Ryan pretty much said that it was a matter of they can't moderate players on other consoles.

Stating possible reasons why it isn't a thing, or trying to convince others to see those possibilites isn't spinning. Spinning is taking facts and twisting them to meet an end. Since there is no explanation to show the facts, those stating their arguments as if they're based on facts are spinning. Those explaining possibilities are just discussing.

[GottaBjimmyb]

@rain Yea, you got it man. Nintendo, MS and Steam have no clue how to interface or secure their services. Only Sony does. I mean, it definitely wasn't Sony who has had the only major breach of the 3.

You claim not to be spinning BS, then you go and claim Sony has some security concern that apparently MS, steam and nintendo just don'tcare about? Makes perfect sense.

Also, for the games, that I listed, that sony has crossplatform play with on PC did Sony just ignore all those security concerns and only become concerned suddenly now? Specifically, Sony has no way to moderate SFV, DCUO (especially now that they don't own it) or really any of the PC games it has had cross-platform play with, yet you just claimed it as the main reason you are right. (See quote from you below)
***"Jim Ryan pretty much said that it was a matter of they can't moderate players on other consoles."***

Even worse than all that? You are literally using Sony's own PR speak word for word:
****"Sony doesn't seem against cross play in principal"****

You have been brainwashed. Or maybe you spun so hard your brain fell out and you forgot to put it back in before writing your message.

[zerocarnage]

Sony could be doing all sorts of wrongs and still the fanboys on Sony's side would side with them. There's no getting through to them that this Benifits gamers all the way.

If there is a way to move or advance this industry forward, then it should be taken by developers.

I also remember as broadband came out, all the talk of how wonderful it would be for console wars to take place on games itself not these forums.

There is tons that cross play can bring as it roles onto new games, tournaments, console wars across games as clans v clans from different platforms compete, new features, increased support for games, bigger communitys, less chance games will die and I'm sure I could name more.

What morons would honestly deny or want to not go with crossplay, call yeselfs gamers yeah rite, you are the reason this industry wouldn't move forward if it was left upto you idiots.

[Aceman18]

Here's an idea since everyone keeps b*tching and moaning on about this. How about everyone involved log into independent servers so everyone can play together, instead of having to create an LIVE acct.

I know for myself i wouldn't want my PS login ID logged into LIVE.

M$ should not be the ones dictating terms when they themselves refused Sony when they asked last gen. To me they look like hypocrites, and they still haven't accepted SquareEnix request for crossplay for FF14.

So let's keep independent servers going for all 3 companies if they want crossplay. If not stop b*tching about it.

[ForeverTheGoat]

Minecraft is owned by MS so it would make sense to use their servers. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[Redemption-64]

And then, those PS4 users, will be counted as new Xbox users.

[zivtheawesome]

after sony announces cross play in MC phil spencer in an interview: "our active user count has been increased by 10 milion this past month" jk

[Aceman18]

Ok then, just let Sony users log into separate server that connects to theirs and isnt counted as new users on LIVE.

[Death]

Realistically all PS4 owners have a state of the art gaming rig that they are using to play Xbox exclusives just so they can say Xbox has no exclusives. They needed to create an Xbox Live account when they bought the titles through the Xbox app on Windows 10. They can simply use that account for Minecraft.

See how easy that is, problem solved.

[ForeverTheGoat]

@Death
Lol that is true

[aquamala]

^^^ it's not even a live account it's a Microsoft account , yi already have one if you use hotmail or skype

[Goldby]

@Death.

some of us though choose not to upgrade to Windows 10. dont plan on purchasing from windows 10.

my PC games are from Steam and GoG.

[ShottyatLaw]

Like Rocket League?

[Xx_Pistol_xX]

We have to wait and see how it's implemented. It could also use Xbox Live. As of now we know that Rocket League was the first game to use Microsoft cross Network play.

[ShottyatLaw]

“We run all the servers,” Dunham stated. “The way that it works is we connect everyone through our own system, we handle everything ourselves.”

[GamePeace]

Jim Sterling has always been a little bit too silly in my opinion and why should I want to play games with a brand (Microsoft and Xbox) that doesn't have games other than some multiplatform titles I don't really care about ?

I know, my opinion is hard to swallow, but so is the truth ... I don't bother about the disagrees.

[LightofDarkness]

You're not playing games with a brand, they're people. Nice window in to your disturbed little mind though.

[Ricegum]

Silly reply. You're calling him disturbed for stating his valid opinion? What is wrong with you.

[GamePeace]

Ask those brand people (if this definition is better for you) what YOU are for them. Those people run a billion dollar business, you're just another little consumer that will get shafted if you don't use you're brain more often. Do it, instead of calling out people you don't know.

[2pacalypsenow]

Wow another article on cross play? Give it up people.

[EddieNX]

Just accept that Sony are being outrageous dickheads, spoiling THE ONE THING every gamer has always dreamed of, the ability to play together regardless of console. Just give up, I mean were so close and Sony have spoiled the fun for millions. Its ok though cus its Sony just "Give it up people"

[2pacalypsenow]

"THE ONE THING every gamer has always dreamed of"

Lol right the only company that's pushing out brand new IP's and exclusives are the dickheads, do you have a source that says every gamer has dreamed of cross play? Funny because Sony has been doing cross play for years (Still has cross play), and now it's everyone dream to have it?

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

If every gamer was dreaming of this then there would news stories, petitions, and mass outrage. As of this moment, the only people I see crying about this are Xbox fans.

[SpineSaw]

Clearly my friend this is not "the one thing every gamer has dreamed of" as there is no support for this from the
"4 The Players" crowd and let's be honest that's a pretty big crowd that games on the Sony system and if there was any support, any at all for it you would hear it. Time to face facts Sony said NO and they need no explanation and they need no explanation or reason because the Sony user base that makes up the "4 The Players" crowd simply does not care. This dead horse has been beaten enough it's time to move on. But, to be honest I really do enjoy reading the articles and watching the videos on this topic each day because you can feel the pain, the real Butt-Hurt come through as those that produce these things cry and whine as they explain why Sony is so wrong. Lol!
#4THEPLAYERS #NeverXPlay

[trooper_]

Oh stop with this ridiculous nonsense. Sony *HAS* done cross play before but it doesn't make sense from a business standpoint to do it with Microsoft.

I'm still waiting on that petition that shows a lot of gamers want this.

[EddieNX]

Why are u defending Sony? This isnt a debate its a fact, EVERYONE HAS AGREED EXCEPT SONY. I have an XB1 my bro a PS4. We could play destiny 2 together , but we cant BECAUSE SONY ARE BEING BABIES. END OF DISCUSSION. I hope/ pray Sony go bankrupt.

[Ricegum]

EddieNX

"I hope/ pray Sony go bankrupt."

Wow. So because you can't do crossplay with your brother you want Sony to go out of business? Haha. Honestly, your comments are getting more and more trash as the days go by.

Anyway, back to my endless dreams of cross-platform play 😂

[TKCMuzzer]

Your comment is utter nonsense i'm afraid, this is not what gamers dreamt of, when the 360 was flying high no Xbox gamer gave 2 cents about cross play and now all of a sudden its a big thing and for just one game. We are talking about a game owned by MS, on every format, it is about making money and if you can not see that you are as blind as your fellow comrades. MS don't care about you, its about bleeding and controlling a franchise. Were are all the other games MS are pushing? No where, its about making money, getting more email addresses, pluggin more advertising for DLC etc.

[Realms]

Why should Sony give in because both MS and Nintendo fanboys want a feature that many PS fans aren't even asking for? It makes no sense and just because some of you are but hurt won't change that. Where was the outrage when MS refused Sony last gen? In the end MS and Nintendo would benefit more than Sony and to be honest PS fans aren't the ones pushing for cross play either otherwise Sony would have already done something.

I don't blame Sony for not wanting cross play why should they agree to give MS or Nintendo a huge advantage specially since both companies have burned Sony badly in the past. There is a reason why Sony doesn't want to get mix up with either company.

[rainslacker]

I would welcome one from Sterling, but he doesn't know the reasons why Sony isn't doing it, nor does he actually address the underlying reason behind Jim Ryan's explanation, which is moderation. His argument is superficial because of this, and his subsequent argument is flawed becacuse it's based on nothing but assumption or misinterpreted information.

[jairusmonillas]

Most of cross play articles are MS sponsored that's why.

[Software_Lover]

Stop beating a dead horse.

[EddieNX]

Ermm no, lets keep beating it, first to pulp, then dust and finally, splitting atoms, until they listen.

[TKCMuzzer]

Lol, you, Death and Moldy and Septic make me chuckle. Why don't you beat down on MS door and get them to spend some money on software? or are you more bothered about cross play? or do you just like articles that deflect away from MS incompetence as a software developer for the hardware they keep selling you? I think it's the latter, you and others don't really care about this issue, it's just an opportunity to throw some negativity at the company that is leading the industry against your beloved MS, it's a shame and you won't admit it, but thats the bones of it and do you know how that is obvious.............because you have only just started moaning about which lets face it, is more than convenient timing........

[Death]

Most hardcore Sony fans are still living in 2013. They rode, beat and turned horses into glue, sniffed it and still won't move on. N4G should be on PETA's hit list of places to picket.

[Software_Lover]

I agree. I just hating seeing the same article subject multiple times. Same thing with all the Xbox One X negative articles. Or the PS3 is doomed articles. It's just going to be the same people going back and forth with no real debate, just fanboy pandering and slandering.

[subtenko]

More productive than waiting on rain from a cloud... :s

[rainslacker]

Would you prefer we beat a live horse? That seems kind of mean.

[coolbeans]

What about an undead horse? O_O

[dauntingcookie]

Would be nice to play BF1 with my buddy who is on XB1 but he is still convinced the XB1 is the best console this generation, so maybe it is for the best.

[LOCO209]

All you folks saying well my buddy has the other system...
Nothing stopping you from owning that OTHER system as well..

It would also be nice if your buddy played with you on your system of choice as well but like you said he is stuck with the other one.
point is if either of you really REALLY cared what your friend was playing on then you guys might have decided to get the same system to play with each other..

[Death]

Are you suggesting Mr. Cookie goes out and buys an Xbox One to play with his friend instead of crossplay?

[Goldby]

Precisely.

[dauntingcookie]

Nah, boy just needs to get with the times. I have 2 PS4's because they are just that much better :D

[rainslacker]

Outside of MMO's, cross play has been for random matchmaking. The chance you could play with your buddy on another system would be slim to none. To do so, you'd likely have to have an account on the other systems network to track such things, and that is likely going to be a no go for Sony. You don't just give your closest competitor a direct way to market to them with all the information that is required to make an account.

[Cohagen420]

Xbox: More crossplay, less games, more cancellations

[ForeverTheGoat]

Sony: less for the gamers, more for your wallet

[Goldby]

More games is less for gamers.

Whoda thunked

[Cohagen420]

Sony: More games, actual exclusives, wallet is cooked

[TKCMuzzer]

Lol, you do know who Microsoft are don't you?

[AmUnRa]

O you are dead wrong. Sony is for theyr gamers, i mean look at all the excl. games they are pumping out.
You are just like al xboxfanboys deflecting the problem Microsoft has.. They have no excl. NEW ip's.
But noooo crossplay is more important. You guys are lost..

[arkard]

Microsoft: Here is the most powerful console in the world, proceeds to announce OG Xbox and Xbox360 games to play on it.

[CP_Company]

+4k minecraft. exclusives exclusives exclusives!!! :D

[DigitalRaptor]

Microsoft: Here is the most powerful console in the world that you had to wait 4 years for. Meanwhile Sony fans will only have to wait half of that time for the next more powerful truly 4K console in the world after that, all while having the much wider selection of new games to play before that time comes.

[jairusmonillas]

PS4 and PC has more crossplay.

FF14, SF5, Paragon. Huge games unlike Xbox's so called crossplay with indie games.

[ForeverTheGoat]

Rocket league, Gears, Killer Instict. Do research before saying nonsense.

[jackdaddy]

A complete lack of any story here. Move on.

[Phoenix76]

This is last week's news, can we please just move on

[Nacho_Z]

So when you say stop thinking like shareholders you mean stop thinking about it from Sony's point of view, because apparently they don't deserve to have one.

[Petebloodyonion]

I'm sure we can argue a lot about: Is it good for Sony to allow Crossplay on PS4?

But there's no arguing about the fact that Sony's stance on not allowing crossplay is an anti-consumer move.
PC, MAC, and Linux have been cross playing for years and they are competing OS.

[rainslacker]

If it's anti-consumer depends on why they aren't doing it. If it's because they can't moderate the other consoles users, then it doesn't matter how we feel about it if Sony's own policy requires this. If they really think that they need to protect the children, then it's not anti-consumer, but them doing what they feel is appropriate for their user base. Whether that is right or wrong is up for debate of course.

Sony never promised cross-play with another console. If one brought the console for that, then one can't claim anti-consumer. If Sony took it away after marketing the feature, then it could be considered anti-consumer, but realistically, with every console in the modern age, there are features that come and go all the time, so while it's an inconvienance to some, it's not always based on them trying to be against the consumer.

[AlphaCentyros]

THANK YOU.

[Petebloodyonion]

Sorry but there's no way to spin a were preventing an extra option to the consumers as a Pro-consumer decision. Or in this case, perhaps DRM are consumer friendly because it would perhaps allow digitals trading between members (wasn't that one of Microsoft's excuse for the DRM systems?).

Now like I said earlier, we can debate about Should Sony allow cross play or why they shouldn't allow it (and it's quite logical for them to say no at this point for they have nothing to gain at the moment by saying yes).

But just like Online Pass, Pay to win, Pre-orders bonus, DLC, etc. it might be a great financial decision but it's far from a pro-consumers decision.

[Realms]

Sony already has cross play with PC and have had it for a long time they just don't want cross play with MS or Nintendo for obvious reasons. Apparently that is too hard for some of you to understand so I will give you the reason because it's a BUSINESS!! plain and simple. The same reason MS yes your beloved company refused cross play with Sony last gen people need to stop already Sony said no move on.

[Petebloodyonion]

Do you even take the time to read a comment before replying?

Because if you did, you would have seen that we both agree on why Sony's not allowing cross-play, and like I have stated several times in numerous threads, At the moment, Sony (as a company), has the most to lose and the least to gain from allowing cross-play. So it's quite logical for them to say no (much like Disney would say no to FOX for using MCU movies characters in Xmen).

But even if it's a logical and good decision for Sony has a company (that we can both agree on)
It's still not changing the fact that this decision is anti-consumer instead of pro-consumer because the consumers don't get any benefits out from this (and if you disagree plz name one benefit you're getting out of this decision).

As an example, Capcom made a deal with Namco about cross-character Do you prefer Tekken7 with or without Akuma?
would you prefer playing a game like Titanfall2 with a player base of 10 000 players or just playing with 2000 on team deathmatch mode only or with the risk of high ping?

[rlow1]

So people here are saying to Sony that their good with it??? The mouse and keyboard argument is pointless because they can adjust for the differences. I don't understand why people would want to defend Sony's position on this. Do you want more functionality for your console that you invested your cash into? If Sony never feels the pressure from its fan base then they will never change it. Blind loyalty never leads to progress.

[Goldby]

But not having Crossplay isn't some be all or end all.

Sony isn't goign to fail because they choose not to do this.

I am completely fine with the fact that Sony has crossplay with PC players on certain games. but i would also be fine if we didn't, my lobbies arent noticeably affected by the cross play, Paragon on many cases ends up being ps4 players mainly with the off PC team here and there.

Would it be nice, of course, but it isn't some things that is urgently needed. as i have said,. on.ly way i can see it working is if both companies sit down and agree to it at the beginning of the console generation, when everyone is on the same playing field. all we are seeing now is the opposite of last gen when Sony requested it form MS and they said a hells no

[Razzer]

Obviously not having gamers available for MP isn't a problem for PS games.

Let's be clear. This is ONLY an issue for Xbox fans. Something, anything they can use to sling at PlayStation. It is a feeding trough for people like moldybread, who couldnt give 2 shits about this, but another reason to yap. The pressure on cross play is NOT coming PS gamers so Sony is free to ignore this noise as far as I'm concerned.

[Redemption-64]

Xbox fanboys, just love to blae Sony and many just willingly ignore what MS is asking Sony to do . i posted this soe time ago, but here. Sony said no to only two games with Xbox, also one of the games, minecraft required players to sign in using Xbox live. Now that is something i strongly believe Sony will never agree to. Maybe MS knew if they set it that way, Sony will say no. Sony has been doing cross play since 2002, even extending an invitation to MS, who rejected the offer, now MS returns, but then require that users sign in using Xbox live? That is very Suspicious and shady of MS. This will only help MS, as PS4 users who sign in using Xbox live, will now be counted as Xbox users. Honestly, why would Sony work hard in finally convincing people to buy it's system, only to MS to now be able to count those users as Xbox live users.

https://www.vg247.com/2017/...

http://www.thesixthaxis.com...

[DigitalRaptor]

Xbox fanboys love to be hypocrites.

Microsoft doesn't allow cross-play between Windows 10 and Steam versions of the same game, not even in their slate of first-party multiplayer games. Just like Sony is okay with cross-play within their own ecosystem and with the PC platform but not okay with it on other consoles, Microsoft is okay with cross-play between consoles and PC, but not okay with it on competing services like Steam.

Then you have the Final Fantasy XIV situation where Microsoft internal policies are preventing that game from having cross-play with PC and PS4 - there's a story behind that and MS is unhappy to discuss it publicly, for obvious reasons. Just like they aren't trying to direct any blame at Valve, this is all about MS trying to make Sony look bad, despite them having their own apprehensions towards cross-play.

Both could be equally as represented as "anti-consumer", but Xbox fanboys only represent the side that makes Sony look bad, and I'm surprised that so few people have actually noticed this. Especially Jim Sterling who is usually on point with these sorts of things.

[Petebloodyonion]

What Sony's silly explanations of not allowing cross-play has to do with MS?
Last I checked, aside from Minecraft, it wasn't MS who ask for cross-play but 3rd parties like Square Enix, Psionix, Capcom, Bandai Namco, etc.
Are you saying that they are owned by Microsoft?
And I'm sure that the fact they are saying that Sony doesn't want to play ball on the matters make them Microsoft employes.

And also make some research before making a statement.
The famous issues between Steam and Windows 10 for COD was an issue from Activision
http://tech.firstpost.com/g...
and Square Enix are currently talking about making FF 14 on Xbox1 since MS have changed their stance.
https://www.polygon.com/e3/...

[Petebloodyonion]

(what should have been the real comment sorry)

What off Sony's silly explanations for not allowing cross-play has to do with MS?
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
And last I checked, aside from Minecraft, it wasn't MS who ask for cross-play but 3rd parties like Square Enix, Psionix, Capcom, Bandai Namco, etc.
Are you saying that they are owned by Microsoft?
And I'm sure that the fact they are saying that Sony doesn't want to play ball on the matters make them Microsoft employes.
https://venturebeat.com/201...

And also make some research before making a statement.
The famous issues between Steam and Windows 10 for COD was an issue from Activision
http://tech.firstpost.com/g...
If you have some example and proof that MS said no for cross platforming with Steam user plz by all mean plz provide a link.

and Square Enix is currently talking about making FF 14 on Xbox1 since Microsoft have changed their stance.
https://www.polygon.com/e3/...

And last or not least, perhaps it's not the why with some title ( Like Minecraft) that is bringing the Ire of ppl like Jim Sterling but the overall reaction from Sony against cross-play when the Industry as a whole seems ready for it.

[DigitalRaptor]

Whether or not you think you're correct, consider this.

Microsoft can't necessarily control third-party decisions, but they can control their own first-party games. Halo Wars: Definitive Edition came out an Windows 10 and Xbox One last year, and recently on Steam. Microsoft chose not to make it cross-play with Steam. That says absolutely everything.

And the link you posted in regards to Activision is classic vague PR from Microsoft simply saying that they are fine with cross-play with Steam and Windows 10, BUT we have yet to see any results for any game (at least not any that I've seen). Not even from their first-party games is damning enough, since they're supposed to be a proponent of cross-play of all kinds. Halo Wars would have been the game to prove it, but they deliberately decided not to connect gamers of both PC services.

Refer to what I was saying about these companies only adhering to cross-play on certain platforms that serve their business interests, and blocking others. You'll see that I'm right. The behavior is not exclusive to Sony.

Additionally, all the Final Fantasy XIV article provided was that Square Enix are awaiting a response from Microsoft because of their internal policies are preventing it from happening. Until then, all these Sony articles full of Xbox fanboys are doing is proving that they have double standards.
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It seems I'm out of bubbles, so I'll respond to your other question to me, here:

"What are the 1st party multiplayer game you are talking about?
And can you provide a link that MS doesn't want to crossplay their game with Steam?"

You told me to do my research. You need to practice what you preach, just like Microsoft does by not preventing cross-play with Steam. I'll help you out, that game is Halo Wars: Definitive Edition.

The very act of releasing it on Steam months after the W10 and XB1 versions (that have cross-play), and not having it play with the existing platforms is all the evidence you need that they don't want it, or don't care enough to provide it for their consumers.

[Rude-ro]

Microsoft: we need a negative in the media to try and sway gamers from Sony m.. what can our media shills focus on....
Oh, I know, let's set up terms that makes our competitions consumer base sign up to xbl. Something we would never do. That way when we spin our positives against our competitor, we can use their numbers as well. If they say no, then we can just spread the word that Sony is anti consumer friendly.... kind of like we did for pc last year.
It's a win win.

If Microsoft wants to allow cross platform... perhaps they should not be the ones dictating how... since other companies have earned their larger share in their markets.

[DigitalRaptor]

You nailed it.

If Microsoft cares so much about cross-play then perhaps they should actually allow gamers who bought their games on the Windows 10 store to cross-play with Steam players who own the same game. They haven't even done that with their slate of first-party multiplayer games. That's how you can tell it's nothing more than a PR ploy to use ambiguity to paint Sony in negative light. And it's the same pathetic PR they hoped would work for them against Sony in the mods situation where they didn't even bother offering mods for their first-party games and there is on 2-3 games that make use of mods on consoles, 2 years later. Shallow, inconsequential BS.

[Petebloodyonion]

What are the 1st party multiplayer game you are talking about?
And can you provide a link that MS doesn't want to crossplay their game with Steam?

[Razzer]

Microsoft walled off their new games to the Windows 10 store ONLY.

Why don't they put their games on Steam and previous versions of Windows? That way they can have more players. Oh.....no. Let's just make it about Sony. lol

[Petebloodyonion]

@ Razzer
You know that Steam is store and charge companies a % of their sales right?
Tell me, why would you distribute your goods via another store for a price when you already have your own distribution methods free of charge?
should Ea provide their game on Steam instead of Origin and cut profit, same with Uplay or Battlenet?

[EatCrow]

No point in defending it. There is literally no downside. Except for maybe pc mouse and keyboard situations.

[Goldby]

except there are downsides.

if one company is forcing the others to sign into their network to play it, what is stopping that company from using those log ins as active users on their platform and relaying that to their stake holders who then end up increasing the value of the company when nothing really has changed.

whats stopping that company from publicly stating their active users base increase exponentially due to the sign ins?

[EatCrow]

Interesting that you view that as a downside... Interesting.

Regardless please tell me which games will force Xbox love sign in...these are multiplats we're talking about. The devs would have to agree to have the Xbox live service be the main service servicing all the other platforms.

Mine craft sure. But others?? Idk

[TKCMuzzer]

You sum up the average gamer i'm afraid. There is no downside you can see. Nobody knows all the details behind this deal apart from Sony and MS, everybody is assuming this and that. There is no way MS approached Sony with open arms and no catches. Sony has a duty to protect the people on the PSN and if they think anything takes that control away or threatens it they will not proceed.
Allowing PS4 users to log into an Xbox Live account takes that control away and you can bet MS would not allow Sony access to those gamers on when on Live.
Microsoft are multi billion pound money making machine do people honestly believe they are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts? There is money to be made out of this and obviously something didn't add up for Sony. PlayStation is a business, of course they are going to protect it.

[EatCrow]

You're exactly right. People are assuming this and that. Just like you. If there was an infrastructure issue and security it would be very simple for Sony to say it. Come on its not that weird.

Sony: we want to protect our users from security breaches which we believe may occur through cross play with Xbox but not cross play with pc.

[Redemption-64]

Isn't Dragon Quest X said to feature cross play with Ps4, PC, 3DS, and the Wii u? There is so much outrage about this, yet i don't see any outrage for MS not having cross play for FF14. Rocket League (PC & PS4), Street Fighter 5 (PC & PS4), Dragon Quest X (Nintendo & PS4), Final Fantasy XIV (PC, PS3), WarThunder (PC & PS4), DCuniverse (PC & PS4), Paragon (PC & PS4), Gwent (PC & PS4) and more.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

No. DQX doesn't have crossplay between Nintendo.
What really happening is crossplay and save between Switch and 3DS.

[DELTABOY04]

no one cares..move on from this crossplay trash topic...sony fans don't care..

[DreadGara]

Exactly, What games to cross play with anyway? XBone has no games and same goes for Nintendo as for now.

[txboy05]

Just give it up its not going to happen because Sony has nothing to gain from this. Just on this site I haven't seen much (if any) PS4 gamers lobbying for this feature. I play online everyday I ask people and they don't care, nobody cares except MS gamers. Stay where yall are at lol you are not wanted.

[Goldby]

exactly, with 60 million gamers and in some cases PC gamers we have more than enough players to fill our lobbies. no need to increase player count... at least for sony

[Chaosdreams]

Cross-Platform play between the Xbox and Playstation brands, would be nice. Perhaps one day it'll happen. Though, I rather not play against those on PC. At least not in anything that involves reaction time.

They'd destroy us.

[KillZallthebeast]

Didn't sony kind of suggest cross play last gen but MS said no? Ms of course at the time wasn't floundering about and was basically tied with them.

[Silly gameAr]

It's fun to be silly sometimes.

[Max-Zorin]

PlayStation and Xbox fans, don't even respect each other preferences, opinions, etc, regardless of website. We don't need the two most uncivilized groups in the gaming community on the same network. They make Vegeta fans look tolerable.

[LexHazard79]

From what I gather they dont want Xbox high jacking Playstation gamers. 😂
Doubt they want anti social gamers on Xbox Live.

[Goldby]

funny enough Lex. delusions can be seen as an anti social trait, and Xbox fans with the beast are a little more delusional than Sony fans.

[subtenko]

Click bait bs, can smell it a mile away. Its funny how xbox fans want crossplay more than they want exclusive games. I guess they gave up. Phil Spencer really needs to help turn things around at xbox....

[tinynuggins]

Think about the kids for a moment. The 5-8 year olds that have no idea about stupid console wars and fanboys. They just want to play games together. What happend to us? :(

[DigitalRaptor]

"Its funny how xbox fans want crossplay more than..."

Well one thing's true. N4G's chief cross-play expert, moldybread, cares more about a lack of cross-play on a PS4 console he doesn't own, than the lack of cross-play between Windows 10 store games and the Steam versions on the PC platform that he games on and claims to prefer. He never brings up that stark reality or holds MS accountable for that, and it's obvious why he's so focused on downplaying Sony. To deflect the reality of his hypocrisy.

[feraldrgn]

"As with mods"
I expected Jim to use his head a bit more here.

[The_Sage]

I can't stand this guy. He's one step above PewDiePie in my book.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

He's just another YouTube troll.

[The_Sage]

Agreed.

[Silly gameAr]

I guess since I don't play Rocket League or Minecraft, I don't feel inferior. Going to have to come up with a better reason to get me and a lot of people to care about crossplay with xbox. I can take it or leave it. Not going to pretend that it's important to me just because some people that happen to have the same hobby as me want to whine about everything. Whine about something that's worth whining about.

[tinynuggins]

Yes, if you don't play games that utilize cross play, this shouldn't affect you. This is more for the people that do play those games.

[ILostMyMind]

When you say "now" you mean today or is this just a bs replay?

The next new news i'll be: XBX has True 4K.

[_LarZen_]

It's becoming really simple. If you care for ALL games. Not just the newest ones and want to have access to your game investment in the years ahead. Buy a Xbox. If you like a open plattform where you can play with friends and others regardless of plattform. Then buy a Xbox.

If you want the best place to play third party games. Then buy a Xbox. If you want the option to watch 4K HDR Blu-ray movies. Then buy a Xbox. If you want to have access to some games bought for Xbox on PC at no extra charge. Then buy a Xbox.

If you dont care about any of that. But just care for a handfull of great exclusives then buy a PS4.

[Goldby]

if you want to be a part of a ecosystem that rewards its gamers by continuing support by investing in 1st party studios, bringing great games out on regular basis and supports innovated tech on a consumer level, buy a ps4.

if you enjoy spending more money to play games you already have played this gen adn the last 2 gens. buy an xbox

[_LarZen_]

If you close your eyes and ignore everything besides these handfull and great exclusives then yes. But there is a reason those exclusives dont sell nearly as much as multiplatform titles. Even with 60 million sold PS4 consoles...

[Goldby]

and if you ignore the fact that Ms entire business plan is built on BC and not first party titles, than i guess yuo would buy an xbox.

some of us buy new consoles for new games. others buy it for blu ray players apparently

[DigitalRaptor]

@ _LarZen_

Answer me these questions that most people are too distracted to be asking:

Why does Microsoft not allow cross-play between Windows 10 store versions of games and the Steam versions? Why is MS not chasing cross-play with competing PC services like they're trying on consoles? Why are they not making it happen in their first-party games, and why is nobody holding them accountable or making a big fuss about this like they are here? If you have any integrity you'd actually acknowledge this and bring it up instead of writing essays about how you think Sony is becoming worse despite them not really being any different than last-gen in terms of policy.
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"If you care for ALL games. Not just the newest ones and want to have access to your game investment in the years ahead. Buy a Xbox."

Sounds like you can buy a PlayStation console and play old games, if you choose.

"If you want the best place to play third party games. Then buy a Xbox."

.. for only 2 years. 🤔

"If you want the option to watch 4K HDR Blu-ray movies. Then buy a Xbox."

You can actually watch 4K HDR movies on PS4. If you want to spend $30 on Blu-ray discs for 2 hour movies then that's your prerogative, but I'd expect you to hold the same standards and not complain if you ever had to spend $60 on a 4-hour game.

"If you want to have access to some games bought for Xbox on PC at no extra charge. Then buy a Xbox."

Positive scheme, and very similar to how Sony has provided PS3/PS4/Vita cross-buy for years. Shame how limited it is: http://n4g.com/news/2073538...

"If you dont care about any of that. But just care for a handfull of great exclusives then buy a PS4."

That's extremely disingenuous. What is a "handful"?
Implying that there are no games on PS4 outside of exclusives?

"Even with 60 million sold PS4 consoles..."

For starters, they are only available on one platform. Secondly, can you provide me with details on how much your average multiplatform game sells on PS4? If not, then just leave with your one-sided misrepresentative nonsense.

[rainslacker]

Console isn't open. What may appear attractive today, can quickly turn to not being available in the future. Never trust any company to support you for the long run. MS in particular is pretty bad about restricting prior purchases in Office and Windows. They don't do it so much in the server market because they'd lose too much market share. They're not bad in Xbox right now, I'll admit, but MS history works against it.

The rest of our comment is just subjective prattle, which will shift as other products come to the market. The only thing that wasn't subjective was UHD, but there are other options for that, and if one really cares about picture quality, as well as sound quality, the stand alone players tend to be better.

You also didn't mention that the PS4 can play all those multi-plat games which you seem so excited to play on the "best place to play 3rd party games".

[gamer7804]

I believe rocket league has an option to only play vs console, if not it could easily be added in as a requirement, so the argument that you don't want to play against pc players doesn't hold water

[ack591]

Correct me if I am wrong. I remember back in the PS3/Xbox360 era. Sony favored for cross-platform play and Microsoft opposed it. Did people call Microsoft silly back then?

[Phill-Spencer]

I hope sony doesn't give in to the paid smear campaign by microsoft shill media outlets. Ms is only pushing this agenda because they know very well that x1x will be a failure and will be destroyed by the real BEAST, the ps4.!!!!
Most consumers will buy the console where the exclusives are and where they can play together with their friends. And almost nobody will buy the more powerful console when they already know that 1.microsoft doesn't care about qualitiy exclusives and 2.they won't be able to play with their friends. microsoft is aware of this! So they do what they always do and play dirty to blackmail sony into changing their polices to gain a few more sales.
At least sony should wait and let x1x die first and then allow crossplay but any action before and short after release of x1x would be sales aid for ms' console.

[Dan_scruggs]

OH NO NOT SAINT JIM TOOOOO! Could it be that Sony is just being a bag greedy dicks while sitting comfortable in first place.

[Goldby]

What about when Sony approached ms last en about cross play and ms said no.

I wonder what's changed since last gen to make ms pull a 180?

[Dan_scruggs]

Doesn't really matter. I don't live in the past and neither do you.

[Malice-Flare]

i'll take Sony being "silly," rather than MS trying to "buy" their way to the gamer's hearts (via BC & XPP) after trying to reduce their customer's rights of first sale...

that's being said Sony will look at XPP again if there are more games than just two (Minecraft & Rocket League) that call for it...

disingenuous for Jim Sterling to call two games the "games industry..."

[PiNkFaIrYbOi]

Inferior? Just because they aren't allowing cross play on some games, now that is rather a stupid claim.

[WelkinCole]

Where was the outrage last gen when Sony wanted cross platform but MS said no?.

So who is going to pay for all of this?

Who will be responsible for customer care when if one of the 4 platforms server network goes down?.

You see. There are millions of things to sort out first. No one is even thinking straight.

Sony are doing it but with specific games because its not as easy as people think. Tech wise might be but there are host or legal and business issues to sort out first.

Sony should have been more blunt and just tell MS to fuck off. MS does not nor should they dictate anything to Sony.

Personally as a PS fan it is a waste of time and money that Sony could better spent getting more exclusives games.

No one gives a crap about cross play last gen and even this gen.

[REDGUM]

I think its a little harsh to be attacking (I didn't say anyone was) Sony on this matter without asking them why and not leaving the interview without a genuine reason as to why the don't want it.

Personally... and I'm not tech minded at all, but if you have different consoles (inc p.c.) all running different hardware, different refresh rates, different..... whatever else is different, as i said I'm not tech savy, wouldn't that make the overall playing field unfair & uneven?

Surely not all experiences will be identical with online play & therefore causing more problems than good.

I dunno, just a thought.

[stamps1646]

About 1/3 of PS4 60Mill users are using PS + I don't see why not opening up to more Cross-play between more systems. Example: You're playing an Online game with Online Coop/MP and the game has been out for awhile so the active numbers of players playing will probably be low. Let's say this game has about 300 players per month, with about 10-20 active the day you are going to play. After about 15m of trying to find a match you luckily snag one person, only to see they left the match, now your back in the queue. If you were to add PC/Xbox and other platforms to the mix, then you could double or triple those numbers. Basically, this is Sony not wanting to play with MS I get it, but man I wish they would just give it a try and see if it works. I own a PS4 and an Xbox and would love to play with my friends on both systems, this would also save me from having duplicate copies of the same game. :P I don't look at these systems as competition, I see them as ways to fulfill my entertainment needs. Not everyone can buy this and that system, so why not share the multi-playing experience on more than one platform. =)

[nitus10]

As per June 2016 there were 20.8 million PlayStation Plus subscribers for its latest financial year https://www.gamespot.com/ar... and while there are 48 million "active" Xbox Live members, though this counts free and paid accounts. Microsoft has not announced how many Xbox Live Gold members it has.

Since the article is over a year old it is very likely that the numbers of PS+ members have increased.

Your example of playing an online game that has been out for a while is flawed since you may find that the players that like that game may favor a particular platform (called a skewed demographic). Basically what you have described is the inevitable fate of all online multiplayer games. Sure cross-platform can bolster player count but you also have to ask who owns the servers (lots of politics here) and how long before the particular company that supports them orders their eventual shutdown.

[SinisterKieran]

theres enough players already on ps4 tbh.

[MagicBeanz]

But still not quite a silly as all the multitude of repetitive articles pissing and moaning about it.

[TheOttomatic91]

Ah yes Jim Sterling, I consider this douchebag to be WAY worse than Patrick Klepek and Austin Walker and that's saying a lot.

[jairusmonillas]

Playstation 4 Crossplay list:
Rocket League (PC & PS4), Street Fighter 5 (PC & PS4), Dragon Quest X (Nintendo & PS4), Final Fantasy XIV (PC, PS3,PS4), WarThunder (PC & PS4), DCuniverse (PC & PS4), Paragon (PC & PS4), Gwent (PC & PS4)

Xbox One Crossplay list:
Minecraft
Rocket League

[madpuppy]

I think that in the position that they are in, it is the right play, Sony doesn't need to share anything with a competitor and I think that all the vitriol that Xbox gamers generally have for the PlayStation and it's users (eg: ponys, Sony defense force, ect.) Cross play would be an unbearable troll fest.
Microsoft can have their DudeBro, and foul mouthed 10 year olds. ( even though foul mouthed 10 year olds are an epidemic on all consoles in multiplayer)

PS,
I will admit that there are Sony Trolls, but, all that means is that the Trolling in Multiplayer will be even MORE unbearable. Sony and it's users, in the long run, really don't need it.

[Enate]

Honestly this pretty much sums up how I feel about the whole thing. Part of the multitude of reasons I prefer to play on Playstation over anything else I have. Is the community and people I meet are generally pretty laid back and chill. Which speaks volumes by the size of my friends list of over 200 and I remember them all. Even on PC which is my secondary I find I really just play with a small set group of people. An its rare for someone to be fully inducted into being a main member in that group. So honestly crossplay wouldn't do me any good I don't have a liking for the community in the slightest on the internet as a whole or the console. An if I really wanted to play something on that system I could honestly just play from my PC an I usually avoid multiplayer.

If the option ever is given in something like Destiny or Cod or anything for that matter. I would hope there is a button to turn if off. I have no need to associate with anyone who only owns that platform nor do I want to.

[zerocarnage]

Cross play should be aloud. What if Sony had a game they wanted to be released with cross play on another platform. Nintendo most likely have games they're willing or considering going on other console that they want cross play enabled but Sony can't see a financial gain from this, that's absurd.

Sony are bahaving like the child in the room now, as they say there's always one who has to spoil it. Cross play as time goes on it can evolve into a brilliant service, where it comes with all sorts of new features .

There are plenty of Benifits that can come down the line with Cross play in the future, I've named some on this page in another post.

[Realms]

LOL. MS fanboys are crazy Sony fans don't even care it seems like MS fanboys are ones that want cross play or at least that how it seems since they are the ones whining about it.

[TocaCannaBowl]

still whining i see.... when ru gonna let it go dude nobody cares bout cross platform play

[Abern]

Will x360 players be able to play with PS3 players?

[extermin8or]

I actually disagree. It's not in Sony's interest to allow cross to play with Xbox one. It's abit rich for Xbox to be making a fuss now after years of titles supporting PlayStation - pc cross play. As the actual networks won't link you need 3rd party systems to communicate and form parties etc and I cba with that shit. It's all built into the console now, why would we want to deal with all that crap and the inevitable different account for each game. Been there done that the industry grew out if it.

[goldwyncq]

What a bunch of stupid clowns. I bet if it was Microsoft who was against cross-play, Sony fanboys would be very quick to crucify them. But since its their lord and savior Sony doing it then there's absolutely nothing wrong at all.

[Kosic]

Sony have always been the spoilt child when it comes to features. The whole no EA access, no BC without a sh**y subscription. Now no cross play.

It's because they are so far ahead of sales they don't need to think off us the consumer. Which is pretty sh*t off them.

But the more people complain about this, Sony may give in and it could be a good move as the consumer needs to have more of a say.

[Kratos_Kart2007]

all of a sudden Xbox gamers care about this...