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Sony, Calling Your Games Stand-alone DLC Sells Them Short

"I personally don’t like the phrase “stand-alone DLC”. Not because of the actual meaning of it, but because I think there’s a negative stigma that surrounds it.

I’ll begin this topic by talking a little bit about Horizon: Zero Dawn. Pretty much everyone and their grandmas (not literal) loved this first-party PlayStation exclusive. I reviewed the game and couldn’t believe how much the game achieved — it’s easily my GOTY thus far. Anyway, much to my surprise, when Guerrilla Games announced sales numbers for the title, they also confirmed the studio is working on single-player DLC for it. However, do we really need single-player DLC anymore? Will it begin as a smaller project and then blossom into a larger experience similar to Uncharted: The Lost Legacy?" -- PlayStation Enthusiast

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isarai2570d ago

No it doesnt, it keeps people expectations in check and with the price lets people know its not going to be an entirely new itteration but more of the same (which is not always a bad thing) with a bit of a twist.

You know how pissed people would be if the sold one of these as a full game and people realize it's mostly reused assets? This current setup leaves nothing to be confused about.

FITgamer2570d ago

Agree completely. Also If they advertised them as a full game they would get slaughtered in reviews for their length.

Eonjay2569d ago

Im sorry but I always thought the term was an affirmation that the original wasn't required.

Bathyj2570d ago (Edited 2570d ago )

Well I don't need to say it. You said it all for me.

I do agree the writer has a point, I don't like the phrase DLC. DLC now days sounds like something they left out of the game and sold it separately because that's what it usually is. Clearly this is not that. It should be called an expansion because that's what it is. It's extending the story and the universe. We made a game. We finished it, it was a complete game. Now we're expanding that world.

DashArrivals2569d ago

Stand-alone DLC means it is in fact DLC for Uncharted 4... but 'stand alone' means that you don't have to have played Uncharted 4 to enjoy this DLC. It stands by itself.

Bathyj2569d ago

I know what it means. I'm saying DLC has a negative connotation like it was cut from the game, where as expansion sounds like it was made after. It makes no difference to me, I know what I'm getting, I'm just saying how people take it from a marketing point of view.

bmf73642570d ago

TLOU: Left Behind, while an excellent piece of backstory for Ellie, was not worth calling it anything else but "Standalone DLC." Same goes for Infamous: First Light. Sony's studios can deliver some of the best single-player experiences in the industry and if they feel the need to add more to the story without having to make a full-fledged sequel or rip off the consumer, then im all for it.

vickers5002569d ago

Speaking of infamous and standalone dlc remided me of infamous: festival of blood, which was a fantastic expansion/standalone dlc. Perfect timing too, came out around halloween.

_-EDMIX-_2569d ago

Agreed.

I think its fair to categorize theses games better as they must be priced as such and must at least convey something the user understand won't be a longer game.

Keeps expectations respectable.

Patriot4Life2569d ago

Did you read the article or just the headline?

He does make a good case but in the end it's just his opinion...same with micro transaction, gamers claim they hate them but yet they are very popular and earn the developer tons of money.

I am ok with stand alone DLC as long as its not obvious that it was intentionally cut from the game, doesn't feel forced and the price is justified.

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Jaqen_Hghar2570d ago

That's just how great they are. They have UNDERsell rather than claim "it's the best lineup in Playstation history!" or something as forced as that. Sony knows that the fans will decide what the best lineup is.

bluefox7552570d ago

It's looking like the Uncharted 4 DLC might be longer than some full games, and likely better than most.

Summons752570d ago

Not at all. It lets people know that they don't NEED the main game in order to play because by the time they release a lot of people will have traded in Uncharted 4 or The Last of Us or Infamous. It's not its own game, it's DLC of the game it's attached too. Uncharted: The Lost Legacy is a bit of an anomaly since it started at a 2 hour DLC expansion and has grown into a full game. This isn't the first time either, Saints Row 4 was an April Fools joke DLC announcement for Saints Row 3 and that turned into its own game too. A standalone DLC isn't bad at all.

TheOttomatic912570d ago

Uh the only reason Sony (and other companies) refer to certain products Stand alone DLC/Game is because that's exactly what they are. Next this idiot is going to be saying something like Uncharted should be called Indiana Jones simulator.

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Sony Has Added More Titles To The List of Games Leaving PS Plus In May 2024

Sony Interactive Entertainment has added a few more titles to the list of games that will be leaving PS Plus in May, 2024.

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darthv7212d ago

curious... if a game leaves PS+, does it make it unplayable if you have already claimed it before it leaves? I know on the XB side, games leaving Gamepass are no longer playable. You need to pay for them to be able to continue playing after you installed them from GP.

CrimsonWing6912d ago

The 3 monthly “free” games you keep as long as you have PS+ subscription. The PS+ library is like Netflix. They rotate stuff out and replace them with other titles.

MrNinosan12d ago

Yes, PS+ Extra/Premium games are unplayable after the leave the service, just like GamePass and Netflix.
PS+ Essentials games are available as long as you have an active PS+ account.

Profchaos12d ago

Monthly games, special promos like the free games during COVID or PS plus bundle on ps5 are forever yours. Premium and above are time limited

If you claim a game on the premium tier (not yours to keep) and it comes out as a monthly games later e.g. fallout 76 it appears you do not retain ownership on that one.

Notsofast11d ago

The 3-4 monthly games that are free that are part of every service are yours forever I canceled my service over a year and you never lose access. I dont know what these other comments are talking about maybe they are in a different country but in the USA I could play any game I claimed of the free monthly games

MrNinosan11d ago

Then one of the accounts on your PS5 probably has a PS+ Essential subscription.
Because the 3-4 PS+ games you get every month, is not available to be played if you don't have an active sunscription.
It's the same in US, Europe, Japan and everywhere else.

Petebloodyonion11d ago

Essential stays in your library
Extra and premium become locked when titles leave the service.

It's actually one of my gripes with Extra, you can't remove the title from your own library, so basically it countss as one your title but it's locked so you own library become a cluster F... unless you filter your titles.

MrNinosan11d ago

Well you can just chose to hide them.

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-Foxtrot12d ago

Wonder if Horizon ZD leaving gives credit to those remake rumours

Sigh. If true…another remake that’s not Bloodborne.

SimpleDad12d ago

Probably yes cause of a remake.

Skuletor12d ago

I still remember them giving that one away for free, regardless of if you were subscribed to Plus or not

ApocalypseShadow12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

They did. It was during the pandemic and the "play at home" initiative.

Horizon Zero Dawn Complete Edition. Sony gave away a lot of games just to push gamers to stay home and not get infected by COVID.

Eonjay12d ago

I think you're right.
There is a separate Bloodborne rumor by the remake is allegedly scheduled for next gen.

Kingrizzy9012d ago

Yes cause of the remake good thing I got the plat
And is bloodborn really that good? I never played it due to being Incarcerated 8½ years but I read the comics. It's pretty dark

Profchaos11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Highly likely I also bet the remaster will be over priced and under whelming.

I'd also bet most people will simply stick with the PS4 pro and ps5 60fps patch over paying to upgrade when it offers the bare minimum.

I hope Sony has learnt from the last of us 2 and stop remastering games that just came out they have nearly 30 years of content to work with but always remaster games that are like 5 years old and don't need it. I assume this was In development alongside tlou2 so fingers crossed this is the last time we get this because what's next god of war on PS4 to ps5 for 70 dollars probably anything outside of bloodborne

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Friendlygamer12d ago

Glad I played sundered and the messenger, both great 2d games

gold_drake12d ago

ahh the messenger is such a good game.

u should play sea of starts. same people, its a sort of prequel to the messenger tok

Friendlygamer11d ago

Oh I will definitely play it eventually, chained echoes too

Jingsing11d ago

Can N4G adopt a policy of games leaving subscription services as not being a new story, it is just spam at this point.

Petebloodyonion11d ago

Is it me or have there been a lot of great games leaving the extra tier but barely anything in terms of wow factor joining the service in return?
When was the last time that Sony added a PlayStation studio game?
Now I don't expect Sony to have day 1 like Gamepass but I would expect to at least care to make the offering interesting especially when they raised the price by 30% last year.

MrNinosan11d ago

PS Studio Games:
May - Destiny 2: Lightfall
April - MediEvil, Jak&Daxter: The Lost Frontier,
March - CoolBoarders

What Playstation Studio games is it you're missing?

Petebloodyonion11d ago

Sight...
let me check my comment again
" Is it me or have there been a lot of great games leaving the extra tier but barely anything in terms of wow factor joining the service in return? "
Yeah pretty sure I mentioned the EXTRA tier and not the PREMIUM tier
but glad that you consider a DLC to a free-to-play game a great offering

MrNinosan11d ago

I repeat my question, what PS Studio games is it you're missing?

And regarding the first part of your comment, lots of great games leaving and nothing added?

What great games iyo has left the service?
For me, "wow-factor games added would be".
Dave the Diver, Tales of Kenzera, Raji, Miasma, The Outer Worlds, Resident Evil 3, Ace Attorney, Rainbow Six Siege, AC: Valhalla, Far Cry 6, Watch Dogs Legion, Both Southpark jrpgs, Fenyx Rising, Tales of Arise, Session, Lego Worlds, Vampire the Masquerade Swansong, Legends of Mana....

And many more.

Compared to what has been removed, the adds are better than the 'offs'.

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Is Sony's Adaptive Difficulty A Good Idea?

Sony has been reported to be considering adding adaptive difficulty to all of its games. This feature would likely allow gamers to play more difficult games that usually have a skilled player barrier and also make it so hardcore gamers can get a good experience out of typically easier games.

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shinoff2183131d ago

I don't see an issue. I'm also sure it'd be an option that you could turn off to.

jambola131d ago

If optional yes
if not, awful idea

ApocalypseShadow131d ago (Edited 131d ago )

It should be optional but it would be more interesting to see gamers play more advanced AI. It's been a request since the beginning that NPCs and bots were more intelligent and tougher and not be stupid cannon fodder. This AI I'm guessing will adapt to the player. Which is cool. If the gamer sucks, the AI will suck. If the gamer is a bad ass, the AI will kick some ass and take names.

Based on GT7 Sophy, AI will definitely give gamers a run for their money.

jambola131d ago

sure
but I also don't ever want a case of playing a game I want to be hard, but then it get's easier because I die too much and removes that option
if it's 100% optional, I'm all for it
even ai adapting I'm not against
just any crap like, "you died too much so boss will suck to let you win easier" crap

Noskypeno131d ago

Yeah like everyone said, it should be optional. Sometimes I like to relax from the competitive mp and play a single player that's challenging but in a predictable way. I'll probably use it at times but sometimes I just want to have a soldier yell grenade 5 seconds before he throws it at you in perfect English.

ZeekQuattro131d ago

I don't have a problem with it. A number of games do this already depending on your playstyle.

porkChop130d ago

If you can turn it off? Sure. If it's forced, no it's a terrible idea. Imagine wanting a tougher experience but because you die a few times the game lowers the difficulty. That kind of defeats the purpose of the harder difficulty.

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DF Weekly: Do we actually need The Last of Us Part 2 and Horizon Zero Dawn remasters?

With the details we now have in terms of features and pricing, I don't think there are any significant concerns remaining - just that perhaps that the term 'remastered' in the title is a little misplaced. Essentially, what we're dealing with here is broadly equivalent to a release along the lines of Death Stranding: Director's Cut. It's the original game with a dash of extra content and additional visual modes that tap into the power of PlayStation 5.

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-Foxtrot170d ago

Bloodborne, Infamous, Killzone, Resistance, Puppeteer, Jak and Daxter etc are all better choices

Even a full on remake of Drakes Fortune I’d take

PrinceOfAnger170d ago

killzone 2/3 definitely a better choice, i have recently finished the games on pc and thought about that, a full remake like demon souls is even better

darthv72170d ago

2&3 are still fine... I'd take the first one as a full remake before the others. They could flesh out more of the backstory that the sequels touch on. Even go deeper into the lore of Helgan.

specialguest170d ago

KZ 2/3 would be amazing. KZ 2 was a graphical masterpiece back then. With today's modern tech, all of those tricks Guerilla Games did to create the effects like the lighting, storm effects, etc, they could now be done in real-time and more realistic

Cacabunga169d ago

Killzone 2-3
Golden Abyss remake
Infamous 2

RaidenBlack170d ago

Uncharted 1 still got a decent remaster for 8th gen ... a remake is not that much of a requirement ...
instead remake candidates should be from 5th or 6th gen
and as for proper remasters (not just lazy res upscale): Killzone 2 & 3 obviously and also Resistance/inFamous (as well as MGS4 :P)

-Foxtrot170d ago

My point with the list is that I’d rather see those titles than what we are getting…titles which are only 3-5 years old and still hold up today

CrashMania170d ago

Sony own the Demons Souls and Bloodborne IP, I wish they'd do something with Bloodborne at the very least.

vfl523170d ago

The way you worded that makes me think you don't realize they already remade demon souls

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GamingSinceForever170d ago

Not one of those will sell more copies than TLOU2 Remaster. The sooner we realize that these gaming sites and their followers are less than 1% of the buying public the better off we’ll be.

Sure we prefer newer titles but this is business and a business is what Sony is running.

JackBNimble169d ago

Don't you think they could be doing something better with their time and money, like maybe making something new? Or have they become lazy and just reliving the past with the same old games over and over.

Gez ... do something fresh and new already .

notachance170d ago

I'd rather for them to go Square Enix route and remake/remaster their PS1 libraries instead of these unnecessary remaster

come on, legend of dragoon..

Gamingsince1981170d ago

What's with the "need" anyway ? This is video games, no one needs them at all, we need water , we need air, we don't need games.

Barlos169d ago

I would love a remake/remaster of KZ1. For its time it really pushed the PS2 hard and because of that it had a few issues. This is begging to be given the Bluepoint touch and brought up to date. I'd love to see an updated Killzone trilogy collection for sure.

Yi-Long169d ago

Sony killed the game and the studio behind it, but a Remaster of the excellent Driveclub would absolutely be my favorite release if it happened. Just a delicious racing game.

FinalFantasyFanatic169d ago (Edited 169d ago )

So many better choices, I can't fathom why reasonably recent games are getting picked over Classics that are more deserving.

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Battlestar23170d ago

Well I want a Horizon Zero Dawn remaster especially if it's an upgrade to Forbidden West Graphics and Animation.

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Duke19170d ago

Nope. But HD remasters are an easy cash grab that the masses shovel cash for because while they complain about remakes, they still buy them

PRIMORDUS170d ago

Not if they release on a platform that never received the original in the first place like PC.

46player169d ago

No complaint here, I want the updated graphics.

Ra3030170d ago

My thoughts on this is do we need Richard Leadbetter's or Digital Foundry's opinion on anything........ever? I know I don't they do nothing for me and never have.

specialguest170d ago

You may not, but tons of people do since the video has 4,700 Likes to 112 Dislikes

Chocoburger170d ago

That guy is a buffoon, DF Direct is the best gaming podcast around. I look forward to it every week.

BehindTheRows169d ago

By that same token, some may not NEED remasters, while others may/do.

Amplitude170d ago (Edited 170d ago )

DF videos are typically absolutely amazing game reviews first and foremost. They have great intros, explain the mechanics well, tell you if they enjoyed it or not (I usually vibe well with John's games personally), and then they have the best tech breakdowns of a game's performance which is very very important to me. I want to know what settings to run at on PC, and on PS5 I wanna know if the 60fps mode runs well or not because if it doesn't... well I'll just get it on PC (If it isn't completely broken there too). DF Retro is also always unbelievably interesting and super well edited and inspired my YouTube channel which just crossed 1200 subs (wooo!). They helped me a lot with understanding game development and got me interested in goofing around with game engines and PC building in general back in the day.

I don't mean any offence by this but you sound like somebody who skims their analysis videos, selectively scrolls to the stats, says "who cares?", and then closes it. Or possibly somebody who watches (stolen) cut clips on TikTok? Even if you are somehow unaffected by blurry images and fluctuating frame rates (some people are and I envy you) I recommend watching a full DF episode one day. They're extremely interesting and I watch literally all of them even if I have no interest in the game.

VonAlbrecht170d ago

"I personally don't enjoy this extremely well-presented and highly informative content so it shouldn't exist."

-Ra3030, Nobel Peace Prize Nominee

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