Pure boss: Colour difference between 360 and PS3 is comparable to a "good LCD from a Plasma"

Speaking to VG247 today, Pure director Jason Avent said that the differences between PS3 and 360 were comparable to the differences between LCD and Plasma TVs.

[AllseeingEye]

Choose one!! Which one is better!! LOL. I'm glad this guy isn't choosing sides and just stating facts. I'm sure fanboys will read further into his words to create some kind of battle.

[Nate Frog]

After E3 2005, I expected the PS3 to be miles ahead of the 360. But E3 '06, it was obvious that sony had bs'ed everyone. The PS3 has finally came into it's own and generally performs on par with the 360. But it definately isn't doing anything the 360 can't do, and I personally don't think it ever will. Anyone that tells people otherwise is brainwashed fool.

[Drekken]

Nate why would a dev put extra work into the PS3 to make multiplats look better???? Let the exclusives do the talking.

You are a blind bat if you think Sony's machine isnt more powerful.

[SeanScythe]

@ Nate
I haven't seen the 360 pull off anything like Uncharted, MGS4 or Motorstorm.... Let alone LBP, Killzone 2 or the shear scale of R2.

[ericnellie]

If you need to describe a game as being better by using the words "softer colors" you're better off being a interior decorator than a gamer. I just can't believe that these comparisons are still going on - it's like beating a dead horse!

[Anton Chigurh]

hey buddy
you should see Call of Juarez , that game can beat anything in terms of graphics expect for crysis

http://www.n4g.com/News-463...

I would really like to see ther next game which is Warhound

[lowcarb]

Drekken: developers put extra work into Xbox games and they always looked better. Also exlcusives are not the way to judge the more powerful console because we will never know if it is possible on the other. Even Kojima said MGS4 was possible on 360 while Epic said GEOW was not possible on PS3.

edit 1.3 Sean: Kojima said MGS4 was possible on 360 and Uncharted didn't look better then Gears and is to this day debatable. I've played them both and the few good looking parts in uncharted don't look as good to me as Gears and reviews. Also the PS3 is suppose to be light years ahead of 360 so how is it ahead when everygame you mentioned can be done on 360. Shear scale my azz lol....Sony fans are a delusional bunch already setting themselves up for a big disappointment.

Edit 1.5 anton: Good point and one they have all seem to have forgotten.

[Nate Frog]

Guys if you think the PS3 has ANYTHING that isn't possible on 360, you are fooling yourself. I've seen plenty of games multi-plat and exclusive that rival anything exclusive to the PS3.
Bioshock
COD4
Mass Effect
GTAIV
Gears of War
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter
R6:V
Pure
Grid
Splinter Cell: Double Agent
Condemned
Kameo
DMC4
Prey

You guys need to wipe the fanboyism out of your eyes. No one except PS3 fanboys think the PS3 is doing more graphically than 360.

[Immaculate]

I had a ps3 up until Christmas, and I haven't seen it do anything the 360 hasn't already done. The ps3 doesn't live up to the hype that was around it, that's for sure.

[dantesparda]

Call of Jaurez does not look that good, not even close! Check my gamertag and you'll see that I beat that sh1t a long time ago. The game is weak and the graphics were weak too and so is your opinion if you think otherwise. And Nate stop calling other people a "fanboy", like you aint one.

[ShinMaster]

Burnout Paradise, SW: Force Unleashed, and soon Mirror's Edge.

THEY ALL LOOK AND RUN BETTER ON PS3.

PURE is just bad porting, period.

Besides, the problem with Pure, like other games, is that the HDMI range was not set to "FULL". And that has been proven over and over.
It's no different with this again.

[SlippyMadFrog]

So thats 2 out of how many multiplats (mirrors edge not yet released)? lol, When will you fools learn that IT DOESN'T MATTER. If you just own the PS3, who cares how it looks on the Xbox360. You need to compare them side by side to spot a difference anyway. Just get both consoles and all this silliness will disappear.

[Neo Geo]

I like my PS3, but I agree with Nate Frog. My PS3 hasn't wowed me anymore graphically than my 360.

[deeznuts]

Nate Frog, funny you mentioned Gears and Mass Effect. Both which are exclusive (console wise) and both had some loading and pop in problems. Mass Effect was so bad the PC version "fixed" it.

I own all consoles, so I don't care, but don't put those games out there. Both very fun games though.

[MNicholas]

It comes down to two factors.

1) Unlike the PS3, which has hardware HDR (FP16 high dynamic range) the 360 does not. It only supports FP10 output, which is MDR (medium dynamic range).

2) Because the 360 does not have true HDR output, it's output chip alters the output to sort of compensate for the lack of dynamic range, kind of how and upscale chip compensates for a DVD's poor resolution.

In particular it takes an average of the brightness of the image then biases darker areas towards black so that the brighter parts of the screen have more pop while causing the darker parts of the screen to become too dark and loose detail. While overall it reduces the detail displayed rather significantly (for example dark colors simply show up as black rather than show a lot of detail differences and gradual transition), it does reduce the chances of banding and other artifacts in brighter areas of the screen.

[nieto]

come on Nate Frog almost all of those games look generic, neither of those are at the graphics quality of Uncharted, MGS4 or Heavenly Sword. Gears and Bioshock are the only games that are on par with ps3 exclusives and if you been around n4g this past weeks you would know that the Bioshock ps3 version it's superior to the one on the x360.

if you weren't so blind with fanboyism you would had read the article before starting to rant about stupid things. the developers of pure say that they don't know how to use the ps3 as well as the x360 besides you should try the MotorStorm PF demo that is on quore to see that it looks a lot better than Pure with your own eyes.

you're the type of fanboy that can't accept the true. i'm sure that when killzone 2 comes out even if in every review everybody says that the graphics are incredible you're going to say that Gears 2 looked better or some other stupid sh1t.

i accept that i'm a fanboy but i try to be unbiased when i talk in the gamer zone but i talk sh1t in the open zone for fun and i could say that all of your comments are open zone material if you know what i mean.

you're arguing about the colors for christ sake!
you want pretty colors on the PS3? play Ratchet & Clank ToD. that game it's not only pretty color it has one of the best graphics in this gen and it's quite fun too but you're way too blind to see beyond your nose.

how's my english? i think i'm improving... ;-D

[f789790]

They need to beat a dead horse or else they would start beating each other directly. (which has happened I'm sure)

[Dareaver1]

the 360 can do fp16, be sure to fully explore the information you attain from the web.

The "Special" FP10 HDR mode is basically free as it has the same performance and memory metrics as the standard FP8 mode and as the 4xFSAA is also basically free then in that context... yes XENOS provides "Free" HDR + 4xFSAA. There are certain limitations to that special FP10 HDR mode... but... developers have a lot of options to which mode they can use.

Going to simplify this... FP8 is what is standard today and is the baseline for performance and memory usage, the standard FP10 mode has a small hit to performance and requires a bit more memory storage. The standard FP16 mode has an significant hit to performance and requires quite a bit more memory storage. The "Special" FP10 mode on XENOS allows for the benefits of FP10, but with restrictions on the alpha channel (transparency) with the same performance and memory storage as the standard FP8 mode. Additionally... XENOS can perform all of these modes with FSAA active unlike the Geforce 7800/RSX which can not (it can do FSAA or it can do HDR, but not both at the same time).

It's up to the developer what is going to be used and each mode has advantages and disadvantages... again part of XENOS's flexibility.

the 360 can do fp16, it's up to the developers to use it, because there are performance hits when using it.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

This is interesting, but there are more PlayStation 3 games running at 1080p at 60fps than the XBOX 360 games. Having a higher resolution means higher textures like seen in Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. Actually there are hardly any 720p XBOX 360 games and no retail XBOX 360 games run at 1080p. I'm pretty sure the downloadable games can go up to 1080p, but Microsoft at launch didn't make the console full HD (High Definition). You can tell by the main menu screen for each console on a SD (Standard Definition) TV, the XBOX 360 doesn't change.

I bought an HDTV for HD gaming and Sony exclusives run at least 720p if not 1080p, download or physical. Plus with 50GB of data that should tell you alone what each can or can't handle. Even if specs. are the same the media disc holds more and the console itself pushes more polygons (HD resolution). That's why I think the Original XBOX didn't make much of an impact with better tech, both machines ran on the same media format (DVD9). A 8.54GB Grand Theft Auto (GTA) (PS2) is a 8.54GB GTA (XBOX), but a 50GB GTA (PS3) is significantly different than a 8.54GB GTA (360). With the combination of both makes PlayStation 3 exclusives look better, is my theory.

[MNicholas]

1) Trying FP16 on the 360 is like forcing a square peg through a round hole. The architecture is simply not designed for it.

2) FP16 is easy on the PS3. True, hardware AA is taken out of the equation when FP16 is enabled but at 1080P no one cares about AA anyway. Furthermore, many games on current platforms (including many prominent Xbox360 titles), don't even use regular AA, they use a modified motion blur.

3) You wrote: "yes XENOS provides "Free" HDR + 4xFSAA" This is complete and utter nonsense and has been proven so by actual 360 developers who've publically contradicted this claim (a broken promise by Microsoft) on forums like Beyond3d as well as in conversations with journalists. It's because it's not "free" that so many 360 games do not have HD resolution, HDR, or 4xFSAA.

4) FP8 to FP10 is a small jump. FP10 (Xbox360) to FP16 (PS3) is a huge leap in quality. What's more, the raw pixel shader power of the PS3 enables new kinds of HDR such as that used by Heavenly Sword.

5) For an idea of where console graphics are going (and 360 won't be able to follow) check out Eurogamer's review of WipeoutHD which runs at 1080P & 60fps. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Quote from Eurogamer:

"WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied. Before the usual suspects scamper off to post a comment, with their PS3lols at the ready, perhaps I should clarify. WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied because the crisp 1080p visuals and rock solid 60fps presentation have made me realise just how compromised the Great HD Gaming Revolution has been.

We've become so accustomed to accepting 720p resolutions and mostly stable 30fps frame rates as the best we can expect that when something really does take full advantage of the display technology available, it can't help make everything else look like a half measure.

In other words, WipEout HD looks f**king phenomenal."

[nice_cuppa]

the truth shall set you free !
Ps3 is the only system in 5 generations i havent purchased at launch !
Played mgs4 at a friends and lost interest !

[n4gzz]

good for you. Too many consoles for kids are not good. Focus on your study.

[cahill]

While we play next gen MGS4

U play GAYLO3 with powerpuff aliens

Plus we are looking forward to Motorstorm 2 --KING OF ALL OFFROAD RACING GAMES

no time for a crap game like PURE

[ShinMaster]

Last time I checked, it was only due to the HDMI range on the PS3 not being set to "FULL".

And every other game out there with the same problem, has been proven otherwise over and over.

This is no different.

[xg-ei8ht]

Played halo 3 at a friends, took the disc out and snaped it.

bought him another copy, the sad mofo.

[pshizle]

i have the game

its really really well made

but i did not find it all that fun...overall i thought it was different but a well made game

[Karum]

The PS3 version of the demo lookd fantastic on my 40" Samsung LCD tbh and I thought the demo was pretty fun. I won't be buying this though, I'll be getting Motorstorm: Pacific Rift instead which will be much superior all round.

[boodybandit]

I will pick up Pure used or cheap off of an online auction (Amazon or eBay). It's not a full price purchase title for me. It reminds me of SSX (which I loved) on ATV's but with less tricks.

It's a decent looking and fun arcade game but it's not "appear" to have enough depth / longevity to it. Then again I will try to keep an open mind and wait for some user reviews and opinions to be sure.

[KingME]

Not trying to be sarcastic or anything, but please describe the depth in Motostorm.

[InMyOpinion]

Motorstorm doesn't even have vehicle customization lol! It's as deep as Sega Rally, except Sega Rally had good driving mechanics.

[Calvin_ISA]

You can choose more than just ATVs. :) Example: SUNDAY!! SUNDAY!! SUNDAAAAAAY!!! MONSTER TRUCKS!!!!!!!

[Kratos Spartan]

The PS3 has failed solely because nice_cuppa lost interest in MGS4 at his boyfriends house, Nate Frog! 5 generations! The truth! Set me free!

Wooooooooooooo!!!

-back to normal

[Kratos Spartan]

It seems every developer, producer, or anybody likes to start flame wars with these pointless comparisons. It didn't used to be like this. Oh the good 'ol days;)

-Nostalgia

[Stryfeno2]

Fact 1: 360 is the older console (1 year old technology compared to the PS3)
Fact 2: The PS3 should of been kicking the 360 @ss left and right from day one.
Fact 3: The PS3 is reaching 2 years anniv. in the market in 2 months.

Now ask yourself, Was this all a hype?

[Anton Chigurh]

wrong place lol

[cahill]

X360 has died in places like Japan and EUROPE

X360's intertest is falling in USA too as all the major BOTS have already purchased an x360

PS3 has a better lineup for FALL

PS3 will be kicking x360's ass this FALL in US as well as REST OF THE WORLD

In Japan X360 will be fully dead when WKS is launched in DECEMBER

sucks to be an XBOT

[Kleptic]

this probably isn't the best place or time to ask a real question to a gaming community...but hear me out...

People keep saying 'the PS3 should be kicking the 360 all over the place'...implying that it isn't...but it raises a few questions immediately...

how exactly isn't it trashing the 360 visually?...multiplatform titles have always been that...no multiplatform title yet has shown the best of what either console can do, so little differences between the two versions are entirely moot...but take exclusives vs. exclusives, and you clearly see a major trend that can only be ignored by the most die hard of fanboys...

where is a 360 equivalent of MGS4?...or Uncharted?...no game on the 360 has anywhere near the tech in either of those...and devs have admitted it...the best looking games on the 360 are ALL UE3 based...and yet UE3 doesn't even have tech featured in both MGS4 and Uncharted yet...the refractive/reflective water (which has been confirmed to also be in resistance 2) is something that Epic announced to be put into UE3, and its still not here...it hasn't been shown in Gears 2 yet, which thus far looks like a brown version of Gears 1...not saying that that is a bad thing, but it doesn't look to dethrone any of the best looking console games from whats been shown so far...

then take for example Motorstrom PR, Wipeout HD, GT5P, and Killzone 2...all of which are yet to be released...but where is the 360 countering any of those?...Motorstorm PR went through a strange dev process, in which it has been constantly changing in a drastic manner all summer...the demo looks pretty similar to the original game, yet look at the new preview build given to IGN, which looks out of control...Wipeout HD has recieved nothing but 'zomg teh grphx' praise since the preview build released...GT5P was easily regarded as the most photo-realistic console game ever made (or was arguably taken over by MGS4)...and Killzone 2 has mo-cap and lighting technology that made even a $45 million budget sweat...

this sounds biased; I realize that...but its a serious question...I simply don't see 360 games pushing visuals limits like these PS3 titles...while these mentioned games may not absolutely destroy Gears 2, that is the only title that even gets headlines when pertaining to visuals from the 360 front...and its new features seem to be mostly stuff already put into some PS3 titles (again, the water effects for example)...

the simple truth is that UT3 is arguably the best looking title on the 360, with CoD 4 running a close second...and they both look identical to the PS3 versions...yet neither of those titles are close to the best looking PS3 games...which is easily MGS4, or Uncharted, when addressing only the tech of each (you may not like the softer art style of Uncharted compared to other titles...I am talking about the lighting, physics, animation, AI, etc...not the art style)...you can spin that in a lot of directions...but I think even the media is grabbing on to these facts as well...the PS3 has delivered in a lot of ways what was promised 3 years ago...it just took a lot longer than what Sony said...

[KBDuB]

Lol. Nasim..

[infekt]

Totally agree with you, Kleptic. First party games on the PS3 look, sound, and perform so much better than multiplatform games and its understandable why. Not to say its not the same with the 360 but did MGS4 ever put that into perspective. People can say as much crud about the game but the fans out the haters several folds over.

[Foliage]

I agree with you 100% Kleptic. Too bad the "bots" won't respond to any intelligent comments like the one you just made.

They would probably mention Alan Wake, a game that has pretty much disappeared. A game that is looking to take the flop crown from Too Human. The visuals of Alan Wake piss me off as a 3D artist. It is like taking a picture of a house and placing it as a texture on a cube and pretending it is realistic because it is a picture of a real house. The geometry/character models in Alan Wake were laughable from what has been shown.

Just see this image off the official website to know what I mean: http://www.alanwake.com/scr... that car is the most hideous thing I've seen in over 5 years. Nice high-poly engine you have going on there. A picture of a headlight and a tire sure beats actual geometry. Not to mention the character leaning against the car, did a college student model it?

[juuken]

Preach it Kleptic.

I agree with you as well.

I have yet to see any games on the 360 that comes close to the games on the PS3. 360 fanboys like to brag about having thew best graphics but the only thing they can brag about is the multiplatform games. Now that multiplatform games are starting to look the same, they try to attack elsewhere.

Now watch them smack disagree buttons and disagree with logic. -__-

[Cajun Chicken]

Oh, such a complex piece of game design to do right.
Its amusing that these PS3/360 comparisons have got so close these days people can only pick on 'colour'.
Hilarious, does anyone believe it? We're not in 8/16/32bit you know.

Keep on being blind, because apparently another system has more 'colour' in a game which makes it 'superiorly better'.

A developer who have so much experience in gaming can't get 'colour' right on another system, yes. I, totally, believe, you. Such technical geniuses, you can't get colour right on one system to another.

Well, the release of WipeoutHD will kill this ridiculous comparison and pointless biased argument/statement in recent weeks.
Then what else will people stupidly claim that makes a version superior with multiplatform games? because there's nothing but 'colour' separating platforms now.

[TitanUp]

good thing i don't base my purchase on e3 i remember all the reports coming in from 05 e3 people was expecting too much just like with ps2

[Anton Chigurh]

Xbox360 good for = multiplat and exclusive games

PS3 = exclusive games - only

[azmanmanz]

wtf

[joebahrjoebahr]

stated it flawlessly

[CrazzyMan]

Ninja Gaiden 2, Too Human, Mass Effect, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey and some other x360 exclusives doesn`t have problems with:
1) frame rate
2) pop-up textures
3) different glitches

yeah, sure. Believe!

[cahill]

X360 = good for just RROD

Ninja gaiden 2 =585p
GAYLO3 = 600p

0 games on TRASH BOX runs at 1080p native when PS3 has 24 running at 1080p native

Wipeout HD runs at 1080p native, 60 fps ---impossible on x360

COD4/BURNOUT/DMC4 --all run and look better on PS3

[ShinMaster]

Look at the Force Unleashed, Burnout Paradise, and eventually Mirror's Edge.

The PS3 versions are the superior ones.

Pure was developed on 360 and then ported to PS3. That should explain it.

[enjoi187]

way to just name off some ps3 exclusives...lol and out of your little list uncharted wins..all the others dont compare i could just say gears of war 1 looked better than mgs4

[PirateThom]

Gears may "look" better, but the engine also does a lot less. AI, number of NPCs at once, particle effects, etc

Gears looks good because it doesn't really do a lot, I mentioned this with Uncharted as well. Gears and Uncharted are comparable, but Uncharted's engine does more (see, water effects - Gears has none, even in the rain levels, characters don't look "wet").

[IaMs12]

True Gears 1 had some issues, but none the less was good looking and fun, but wait Gears 2 is suppose to have a lot more on the screen and doing more and have same graphics if not better looking with destructable enviroments... thats all suppose to lol true? i hope so

[PepeK]

gears of war looks very good (one of the best this gen) but physics are mediocre, dead bodies move like balloons and the way they fall just feels unnatural, hope gow2 solves this.

[n4gzz]

360 version looks better.. oh wait.. ps3 version looks better. Oh, i can't tell which looks better. wait.. wait.
Who gives rat ass which version looks better as long as there is not significant difference.

Either way, i am not buying pure. Not even renting. I don't want to ruin my Motorstrom experience. I can wait little longer and play MS2

[thor]

I can give a very clear reason why multiplatform games look the same. They are using the same character models, environment models, same textures, same animations, same basic particle effects. The list of things that are the same for multiplats goes on as far as much of the game engine itself. The ONLY THINGS that can change are

Texture resolution - it is sometimes downgraded slightly for one console. Doesn't usually change.
Shaders - these need to be completely rewritten for each console. But they want to keep the look of the game the same, and there's not _much_ you can do by tweaking the settings of a shader. Because they are different shaders, you might get slightly different colours, but the lighting EFFECTS will be mostly the same.
Quantity - of particles in explosions, of physics objects, of post-processing effects. These can only make a huge difference if there is a huge difference in quantity.
Anti-aliasing - is probably the one which makes the biggest difference (this is not postpro but I'm putting it in this category).
Resolution - this is never significantly different between versions to be able to tell a difference without a pixel counter
Framerate - perhaps the most likely candidate to change, but unless there are serious issues on one of the consoles there is no big difference here.

So it's pointless comparing. If a game is developed for one console, it is almost _always_ possible, given enough time, to optimise it for the other and keep _everything_ the same.

[Premonition]

one line i dont like is when he states “They’re both great machines and if you do things right, there isn’t much difference between them in terms of capability.” One thing is that ya they are both great machines but we all know what PS3 has under the hood, and for him to say "If you do things right, there isn't much difference between the them in terms of capability" That right shows that they dont want to show who has the better system and much rather keep them about the same just so one doesnt outshine the other for example the devs for RAGE. Sony didnt spend all that money on new technology for someone to say there is no difference between the two.

[divideby0]

considering they know the 360 hardware WHEN they know the PS3 hardware, than re post your opinions.

[Close_Second]

...PURE looks good and I dare say if you're lucky enough to have a 40" (or larger) display then you'll have a blast whether you have the PS3 or 360 version.

I am guessing however that because PS3 owners have a choice between PURE and the upcoming Motorstorm 2 that sales of PURE won't be as strong as on the 360.

[Mc187]

I think you called it PS3 owners want motorstorm so there will be less Pure bought for our console.
Then 360 folk will be like " we bought more copies of Pure" and PS3 owners will say "....................... " because we will be too busy with Motorstorm 2.

[cheapndirty]

Someone go tell the peeps on the iD story to hurry up and comment bash this one to death!

I will be getting the 360 version since my launch ps3 did not come with rumble. And no I am not going to go buy another controller since they got 599.00 out of me to begin with.

[Close_Second]

...another controller just so I could have two for playing Bionic Commando Rearmed. Two player BC is fantastic! I just wish Capcom's other recent release, 1942, was as good.

[LinuxGuru]

Well, if you've had a 360 for a couple years, add 100 dollars, plus the cost of any recharge packs, batteries, upgraded HDD, 100-dollar wireless adapter...

So once again, how much was your 360 investment, counting all that?

[cheapndirty]

I did not buy a wireless adapter for my 360. The only wireless I will use is wireless N. G is too slow compared to wired. 54mbps? No thanks.

So no 100.00 "loss" there.

Recharge packs? Umm I use rechargeable batteries.I needed rechargeable batteries for my wireless pc stuff and tv remotes. I had to buy those anyway. That made more sense than buying a dedicated for 360 recharge kit. So no loss there.

The pro 360 came with a HDD. I do not by DD TV shows or anything like that. I delete demos (who keeps demos long term?) Right now I have about 8gb of free space left and that works fine for me. In fact since I will never be a DD suporter(blu ray is is second to nothing for movies!) I will never need to upgrade the hdd. So no loss there either.

I am wondering is you had the ps3 at launch. PSN was so second rate at launch you could not pay me to use it. I had no problem paying 50.00 per year for XBL after using the psn at launch. Sure it is getting better. But still not as good as XBL. One day I am sure it will be.

And all of this stuff still adds up to less than I paid for my launch ps3.

[aiphanes]

Can xbox live do 60 players online with no lag? Can it do 250 players online with not lag?

Why is xbox live not free since microsoft has a lot of money, its not like they are broke. I am just saying...you still have to factor in that yearly cost for the Xbox 360...I think that is really holding the casuals back. And everybody knows the new $199 Xbox 360 needs a a harddrive and not every body has a internet connection port located next to their 60 inch plasma. Most people use wireless. The Xbox 360 should have wireless built in Wireless G is fast enough to get online...nobody has a 54meg internet connection yet. Also the PS3 has gigibit ethernet vs the 100 meg ethernet on the Xbox 360.

Both systems are good in the end.

[tk]

Check up on this.
They use different color pallettes. No mystery. Withs some work they can display *exactly* the same colors.

[jmare]

The article never states which is the "Good LCD" and which is the "Plasma". Everyone just assumes which is which because he talks about working on the 360 for longer and the PS3, which they haven't worked on as long, was a "new challenge". People always seem to forget that challenge does not mean difficult or impossible necessarily. Some people like a challenge. That's why games like Ninja Gaiden and Bionic Commando are popular, because they are challenging.

[pain777pas]

Time will tell! No one would have thought that GoW games or Shadow of Collosus could be done on a PS2 the weakest system graphically. Both these devs have not released anything yet. Give it some time. I can guarantee after those games the gap will widen.

[DA_SHREDDER]

I have a ps3 and a 360. I played demos of Pure on both consoles and I can say that the ps3 version looks alot more crips and the colors stand out way more. I was gonna get the 360 because of in game custom soundtracks but I felt that I wanted the version that looked better. Im sure that Custom music will come eventually,, but it dont matter. I also didn't wanna pay the 7.99 a month just to play online as well. I honestly dont know why you ps3 fanboys are even worrying about this. I know for a fact the ps3 version looks better cause I seen it with my own eyes, and the ps3 is the better version.

[Marquis_de_Sade]

i don't know where you get your Live sub from but 7.99 a month wether USD/EU/GBP is a stupid amount, is there really any need to exagerate?

[KiddyBrownTurd]

lol, it's true. PS3 is like a cheap Sony plasma and 360 is like my highend Samsung LCD.

[DA_SHREDDER]

Why would you say that if the 360 is the one with the cheaper price and the hardware problems. I think the 360 is like a cheap computer running on windows xp while the ps3 is like a better computer with bluray running on vista. Thats a better metaphor, and yes, windows xp is better then vista, but vista is almost the same thing.

[KiddyBrownTurd]

vista < xpiss

[xg-ei8ht]

Funny really, because decent plasma screen sh^ts all over a lcd.

Tearing is still a common problem still on lcd's.

And rendering differences, this guy is talking out of his a$$.

What he really means, is 360 does not output colour correctly.

Everything has a tinge of red.

But the funniest thing of all is, wtf is pure.lmao.

[Mc187]

Pure is nothing more than SSX but with ATV's.

[DaTruth]

ps3 and 360
lcd and plasma tv

He said one first and one second, than said one first and one second.

[atomdooze]

goes to XBOX not a suprise.

[squablo]

Seriously, will this ever end? Someone said it best up top. Buy both systems and this silly crap will stop. Do what I do. If it has online multiplayer, go with xbox 360 version. If it doesnt, or its an exclusive, go with PS3.

Graphics dont mean anything at all if the gameplay sucks. Army of Two looks killer, but gets boring really fast. To me the argument is not about graphics, but more about gameplay.

I hate to say it but nobody is discussing the thing that really sets these systems apart, and that would be the online features. PSN may be free, but thats only because you couldn't charge somebody for a service as crappy as PSN is currently. Sony can build some hardware, thats for sure, but the thing that is turning the tables this generation is online service. Having said that, Sony is fighting an uphill battle againts one of the largest software companines on the planet.

Once again, its not graphics that decide which system I buy a game for, but rather the online experience it gives me. Xbox Live is the premier online service, and may continue to be for quite some time.

[DaTruth]

Wow, you're so different than them.

[squablo]

Most people argue on this board over which system has better graphics. I am not stating opinion, but rather fact! Besides, why would I care which is "better" when I own them both?

[badkolo]

last gen the ps2 was your favorite console, it had no live olnine play till the end and it sucked, it had inferior graphics but it had the games.

none of this extra stuff like hardrives and motion mattered to you guys.

Now the ps3 arrives with less games, the hits are missing for 2 years, like tekken etc... the only hit in 08 for ps3 was mgs4 and now its october in a week and yet this was suppose to be the year of the ps3.

2 years later and multiplat games, the majority of them look better on the 360. yet you have the nerve to mention 3 games out of 60 that look better on the ps3. get real.

When the ps3 launched it launched at 699, lets not forget it. with little games but it had all the extras and now thats more important to you guys then games.

well the fact are at 199 without all the stuff you can play and save games and play online for 199 and you get all the games the competition has and they play equal or if not better on the 360 for 199 bucks, for 199 bucks you can play a 360 with its own exclusives thats doing what the 600 dollar console still doesnt do.
THE 360 AT 199 PLAYS THE SAME GAMES AND PLAYES THEM BETTER AND DOES ONLINE BETTER THEN THE 400 BUCK ONE.
THOSE ARE FACTS. BOTH HAVE EXCLUSIVES AND WHAT MAKES YOUR PS3 EXCLUSIVES BETTER THEN THE 360 ONES, BECUASE YOU SAY SO.
PURE IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE, SO IS STAR WARS FORCE WHIC LOOKS AND HAS LESS BUG THEN THE 360 VERSION

[nieto]

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[aiphanes]

They should be rejoicing since they got a price drop....but they only have Gears 2 and maybe Fable 2 to look forward too this christmas season. The PS3 line up is just too great. And we all know the Xbox 360 needed a price drop since it is almost 3 years old...the PS3 has only been out for less than 2 years...some parts of the world (europe) only since march 2007...and it is only 5 million units behind the Xbox 360. But here is the deal though you will not see the Xbox 360 go lower than $50 more than it is now....and PS3 will drop quicker and faster...and then its all over for the Xbox 360 this time next year. Sure the Xbox might sell a few units this christmas, but there are just no games for people (casuals) to buy. I know there is LIPS...but why buy that when there is Singstar, Rockband 2, and GH World Tour?

The xbox folks are just in denial....have they seen the latest graphics and gameplay of Killzone 2 and the new Resistance 2 footaged released today showing new weapons that make Gears 2 look kinda weak? Sure we have not seen the final Gears 2...it will be awesome...but so will Resistance 2. Remember Gears 2 is a tactical third person shooter with up to 10 players online...versus a first person shooter Resistance 2 with 60 players online. They are totally different games but graphically resistance 2 is looking almost as good or better than Gears 2 after looking at the latest builds today.

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

..and then next year Killzone 2 will blow everybody away. Also I own both consoles and I see more potential in the PS3.

There is just so much hate...and in the end...the Wii is kicking both the PS3 and Xbox 360 butts! Go figure.

[Nate Frog]

KZ2 isn't as "advanced" graphically as PS3 fanboys emote. And it is in no way the same quality as the 2005 CGI sony claimed was gameplay. Played it at E3 and it's obvious the use of so much gray is to blend it's poor textures. It's on the same level graphically as COD4(which isn't a bad thing at all), but it's not beyond anything already on the market.

[cheapndirty]

You might want to do some homework before you make certain opinions. You say everyone needs the HDD drive to play 360 games, Really? Strange I have an arcade model I still do not need the HDD. All the games play the same. Strange.

DLC? I will not pay for it since I have so many games (45 now) that DLC on 45 games adds up to the cost a 2 or 3 more games.

DD movies or Tv shows? Uh I have ps3 for the blu ray so I will never do DD.

Play online with out a HDD? I sure can. The arcade came with a 256mb memory card. and that is plenty to hold my gamertag.

Wireless? I have 2 360's hooked up with out wireless at the same time.

I hate to break it to you, but the arcade has alot of value in it WITH OUT THE HDD OR WIRELESS. I am glad it was 200 bucks. I did not need the other stuff for my upstairs SDTV.

So "everyone knows" is the uninformed and nothing more.

[TheDesperado]

Just open your eyes and see that PS3 is clearly vastly superior. It's ok, it doesn't make Xbox obsolete.
The RRoD takes care of that.

[darkequitus]

ME, gaming fan

darkequitus:XBL/PSN/Steam/XFi re/WoW

[rockbottom3076]

Xbox is a great system (faulty yes) but good for people that want a cheap console that has some great games and becoming more casual. The PS3 has by far the most potential BUT it does not make sense for most developers to make one look better than another. It takes to much $$ and the bottom line for any company is that,not to make one company look better than another.
With more people going HD (TVs are coming down in price and people in most areas feel its time to upgrade) The PS3 will really start to take off faster than the 360 did b/c of BR then you might see developers but some more effort into the PS3 to look better. I work with a few very casual gamers and they all want a PS3 now and/or regret purchasing a Wii/360 mainly due to the BR and the graphics on the exclusive games coming out or out already. These are the people that will decide the console winners not us!

[BoBo33]

That isn't the truth, that's the ps3 fanboy opinion. It's like someone said in the first few comments, the only people who think the ps3 is something special are ps3 fanboys. Hell I know 3 people who own both, and they prefer the 360 hands down.

[cheapndirty]

Not exactly. Guess what was the number one seller the past two quarters? An RCA tube tv with a digital tuner. And guess where most of the sales came from? Walmart.

More people are adopting but not as fast as the manufacturers would like. If you want the link I am happy to provide it.

[arngrim229]

while i own both tell me why does ninja gaiden sigma look and run better than ninja gaiden 2??? why is it no 360 exclusive looks even close to as good to a ps3 exclusive? duuuh, fanboys nothing compares tot he detail of mgs4 facial detail and overall detail but w/e no matter how many disagree's its a disagree from a person who only has one of the console so their point is invalid. i own both, i lol at halo, mass effect and gears being the best graphically games on 360, while they are very good its nothing compared to heavenly sword, gran turismo, mgs4, etc etc. i mean just look at exclusive final fantasy versus 13 compared to normal ff13, verusus looks graphically so much better, but w/e

[Ps3Fanboy777]

.... Seriously... We have LBP, R2, KZ2, M2 etc coming up sure we can find something else to play.

Enjoy it 360 users not like you have anything else.

[TapiocaMilkTea]

Wait....
I thought Plasma is known for having better colors than LCD, they are more realistic.

[cheapndirty]

Sound and Vision agree

Home theater magazine agree.

Anyone that knows hdtv's also agrees.

Go to avsforum.com and go tell them that is not so. That site is full of videophiles and professional installer to say the least.

[Morgue]

Tell this to the people who are using the composite cable on a non HDTV and they'll tell you the game looks killer too them and what it also comes down to is that a majority of people don't even know how too properly adjust or calibrate the picture on their TV's. I wouldn't be surprised if half or three quarters of the population uses the default factory settings. I go too friends houses and have too wipe the dirt off of the screen, adjust the color, bright, all that stuff because the picture looks like garbage. In the end this whole article is garbage because not every gamer owns a HDTV and is " in the know ". This is just another fan the flames article in disguise.