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Gamers Started A Petition With LG Over Non-Responsive TVs

With the Gaming market seeing an uprise in implementing HDR, TV manufacturers have bumped up their displays to support these technologies and provide customers with the best display experience.

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nX2757d ago

Hahaha, I wanted one of those OLED 4k TV's and actually didn't buy only because of input lag. They have my sign for this :D

Godz Kastro2756d ago

How can you sign up if u don't have one

nX2756d ago

Ehhh... I would buy one if they fix the input lag? So hard to understand?

Princess_Pilfer2756d ago

@nX it's really not. Input lag is exactly what it sounds like, the time it takes for the image sent to the screen to actually display on screen. There are factors other than just the TV, but it can be tested on TVs specifically. Anything above 50ms (that is .04 or .05 of a second) is bad, at that point you're getting into the range where you'll actually be able to feel the delays, especially when you add in the *extra* input lag of the games current framerate. At 30FPS that's another .03 seconds btw. It won't feel like a big pause or anything, it will just make everything feel sticky.)

HDR just means more colors.

indysurfn2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

LG should be concerned for future purchasers so... Anyway also wanted to buy a 8999 OLED LG but I figured I could save 5500 and get a 3499 Samsung that only had a 23ms delay. Glad I made that decision.

IamTylerDurden12756d ago

Roommate has 55 in 4k OLED and it's fantastic.

PGRfox2756d ago

God, gamers are so entitled. OLED's are NOT responsive by nature. Do some damn research first!!

Korix2756d ago

Is that why both the HTC Vive and Oculus Rift use highly responsive OLED displays?
You should do some research as well. OLED can be used for high end gaming if done right. LG just can't be bothered, it seems.

ninsigma2756d ago

Or, just maybe they made an oled tv without gaming in mind??

Thatguy-3102756d ago (Edited 2756d ago )

Like the guy said do some research before buying something. You can't blame LG for not making a TV with gaming in mind. Nothing but entitled individuals that feel they call the shots on these things. The individual is the one to blame simply because they purchase things uninformed.

livedeht2756d ago

Vice and rift are led... psvr is oled

zivtheawesome2756d ago

@livedeht
they are all using OLED actually.

PGRfox2756d ago

I did my research thanks, which is why I went with Samsungs LED. It doesn't take much to find a response time for a TV. In fact the first review I pulled up mentioned OLED poor response time. These gamers are morons and made a poor decision and now want their money back? Give me a break

MyDietEqualsGames2756d ago

People need to do the research. I remember when we didn't have most questions answered by a search bar.
No excuse and no need to feel sorry for someone making an uninformed purchase, unless they are truly naive then I digress.

IamTylerDurden12756d ago (Edited 2756d ago )

It's hdr that causes lag. This TV has a jaw dropping display. OLED + HDR + 4k = stunning. If you are a competitive mp fan you can turn off hdr and motion flo to dramatically improve input lag. A great connection/hardlined into your console will also balance you out in mp. Decide what type of gamer you are. Do you want the most stunning tech and visuals, or do you want to every tiny competitive advantage you can get in order to be atop the leader boards?

I game for immersion and fun, not to get the most trophies or be the number 1 Cod player.

SoundGamer2756d ago

@IamTylerDurden136m Bingo. I don't play fighters or competitive FPS' so I really don't care. I saw that input lag was worse than other TV's with the OLED's but since it really only matters to those type of gamers, I didn't care. I got the OLED and it's the best freaking TV I've ever laid my eyes on.

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Ausbo2756d ago

I'm glad I know this now, since I was considering this purchase

ninsigma2756d ago

Research is so important when it comes to tvs. Especially if you're looking for a 4k one to go with the pro.

OpenGL2756d ago

OLED is by nature the most responsive display technology we've used other than Plasma. If it's got input lag issues it's because the display controllers and other hardware used in the TV is bad, not because OLED is bad.

MyDietEqualsGames2756d ago

Entitled for wanting a feature in what is considered one of the best brands on the market, today? You know.. so they can throw money at the manufacturer?

n1kki62756d ago

Normally I would agree. But in the case of HDR and input lag the numbers are not always easy to find. In addition these numbers are not provided from the manufacturer, as well as the ability for them to change depending on firmware update. One could also assume that a $2000 - $4000 tv should certainly accommodate for gamers consider gaming consoles are the primary driver of HDR and 4k content at the moment even if it's upscaled. Instead of being up front about performance the manufacters have hid behind marketing jargon, very similar to 240hz refresh rates.

Castus2755d ago

That's not true.

I have an OLED55E6.

Firstly: The OLED's have actually the highest response time of 0.1. Generally the big LED's etc, are higher to around 8 ms or so. I mention this because you're mistaking responsive and input lag I think.

secondly: The input lag is my screen is actually 34 ms in game mode. This is why I bought the TV, as this was acceptable. However it was hard to discover that when you play something in HDR, it leaves the game mode and turns on HDR mode.

So basically it has nothing to do with doing research as most people bought the TV knowing it would do 34 ms in game mode.

Thet petition is basically about adding game mode to the HDR mode.

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Articuno762756d ago

Would be nice if more TV manufacturers also considered making panels that work well for gaming.

And on that note, where is Freesync in TVs? Heck, why hasn't Sony at least made their own version of it to work between Sony TVs and PlayStation 4?

InMyOpinion2755d ago (Edited 2755d ago )

A lot of them do. Some work for both, some are designed more for gaming and some more for movies. Why not research it yourself before buying? Can't blame the manufacturers on this one.

LightofDarkness2756d ago

I have a B6 and the input lag isn't really perceptible to me. The pixel response is less than 0.1ms so there's no real need for there to be lag much higher than that, once you forego a good deal of image processing. But lag between your controller and console, console and TV is already well over 160-200ms, the extra 30-40 isn't going to spoil your experience too much more.

thexmanone2756d ago

Agreed I have the C6, the few games that the Xbox one S does support with HDR, I have no problems with.

Stwert2756d ago

Yeah I've got the C6 too and I don't notice the lag. It's not made a difference in game anyway. I was well aware of the higher lag of the screen before I bought it. I also tried it out first and it was fine. Of course if you sacrifice HDR you can cut the lag time in half, so it's odd that they haven't enabled it for HDR as well.

I've still got my Samsung (which was a top of the range one) the OLED is replacing and playing the same game on each feels no different to me so I've no complaints.

Rimfro2756d ago (Edited 2756d ago )

Exactly. If you compare reviews on rtings.com, you'll see that they are middle of the pack in HDR, and while the C6 isn't the fastest outside of HDR, it's faster than average. My C6 is faster than the plasmas I've owned, and is slightly faster than the non-HDR Sony 4K I just upgraded from. This is a total non-issue.

nyctophilia132756d ago

I have the E6 and what people don't seem to understand is that when the TV goes into HDR mode, like when firing up Uncharted 4, you can only select 3 picture modes on the TV: HDR Vivid, HDR Bright, and HDR Standard. Each one of these lets you change its settings, where you can tweak it to make the input lag way better. For starters, each one of these HDR picture modes has TruMotion turned on. Switching that off alone improves the lag greatly, then you can turn off settings like noise reduction to eek out any extra milliseconds. I've done this and my PS4 Pro looks stunning and responsive in HDR.

thexmanone2756d ago

No it dose not, I have the C6 with no problems. Do you even have a OLED tV?

Pancit_Canton2756d ago

No, but I have a PSvita that uses an OLE Display.

Ricegum2756d ago

Completely disagree. I have a 4k HDR LG and it's lovely for games and only set me back £500. LG do have gaming in mind with certain televisions which is why they use a feature called HDR Pro which allows for HDR and no suffering for response time.

This article doesn't apply to my LG tv at least.

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Pokemon fans stunned by official shiny hunting guide for Scarlet and Violet

The Pokemon Company has dropped the first-ever official Shiny hunting guide for Pokemon Scarlet and Violet, leaving fans in awe.

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IGN Entertainment acquires Eurogamer, GI, VG247, Rock Paper Shotgun and more

IGN Entertainment has acquired the Gamer Network family of digital brands for an undisclosed sum. As a result of the acquisition, some redundancies have been made across the UK-based organisation.

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darthv729d ago

Well this can only mean one thing... more job layoffs even in the publication industry.

Jin_Sakai9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

“Layoffs occuring“

Yep. IGN now has a monopoly in the gaming media.

“As a result of the acquisition, some redundancies have been made across the UK-based organisation.”

“Gamer Network's publications are GamesIndustry.biz, Eurogamer (including six local language editions), Rock Paper Shotgun, VG247 and Dicebreaker. The business also holds shares in Outside Xbox, Digital Foundry and Hookshot (which operates Nintendolife, PushSquare, PureXbox and Time Extension).”

“IGN Entertainment is the division of Ziff Davis that includes IGN, MapGenie, HowLongToBeat, and Humble Bundle. It has acquired the websites from PAX and New York Comic-Con organiser ReedPop, which initially bought the Gamer Network business in 2018.“

Jingsing9d ago

When say IGN you mean Microsoft's chief propagandist.

VenomUK9d ago

Surprising news, also a little sad as the magazine era is over and the website era is slowly coming to an end. But it must be said that many of the bastards who work at these places have operated as a mafia to control opinion on not only what can be said about games, but who can be allowed to talk about them, and what can be allowed to feature in them or not. As said above, redundancies are coming, Eurogamer pays the highest salaries for a team of staff who for some their output is minimal. Eurogamer also campaigned against Hogwarts Legacy and refused to review it -, the site took a hit. PAX has probably thought to cut its losses. Some job layoffs? I know of some of these people and they took pride in excluding - I will shed no tears.

S2Killinit8d ago

This is good news for Microsoft. IGN is like their advertisement arm.

Abear218d ago

This is exactly what Microsoft needs to better their image, control over the narrative by having the same message come from different colors umbrellas that are all really made by the same company.

Simon_the_sorcerer8d ago

You're right about every single thing that you said...

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-Foxtrot9d ago

All this means is a collective hive mind when reporting the news

They’ll discuss with each other how to handle topics and what kind of headlines to go with so they can fire round after round of whatever point they want to make

And the sad thing is over the many years even to the old GameGate days they love making gamers look bad as a collective. Anything for a hit piece.

victorMaje9d ago

Narrative control. I don’t like this at all.
Independent reviewers will be more important than ever.

JEECE9d ago

"They’ll discuss with each other how to handle topics and what kind of headlines to go with so they can fire round after round of whatever point they want to make."

You say this like it will be a new thing that they didn't already do.

OtterX9d ago

Yea, I had actually just seen today on Linkedin that a GamesIndustry.biz guy was talking about being laid off. I didn't read all of his post, but I bet it's because of this. That's a shame to hear. :\

MestreRothN4G8d ago

All praise the late stage capitalism God, the only real One
\o/

Babadook78d ago

Hopefully the IGNorant journalists get the boot and not EG.

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Petebloodyonion9d ago

Probably Microsoft's fault!
They surely gave IGN the idea.
What's next IGN Pass?

But joke aside let's hope that this makes the news better compared to some of IGN branches

Jingsing9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Microsoft and IGN work quite closely so it isn't a stretch to say this is a move to control the gaming press to get everyone singing from the Microsoft hymn sheet. Not a good look at all. It is transparent stuff like this which is backfiring in Microsoft's face. First they want control of all the games now the media.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

While there's obviously a desire to preserve add revenue and early access to review copies, I doubt there's the level of conspiracy here that you imply. I mean there's no direct link between MS and IGN right?

Petebloodyonion9d ago

You're probably right!!!!
Here's MS evil plan
1) Make sure that Hellblade 2 receives inflated reviews.
2) Fire all the ppl across UK who gave Starfield the justified 6/10 reviews
3) Make sure that Game industry.biz stops giving Sony's president a tribute to spew their lies and have them talk to Sarah Bonds and Todd Howard only.
4) Control the majority of players for the GOTY award so MS wins from now on.

PPL needs to know about this!

Jingsing9d ago

@crazyCoconuts The world has moved on from "direct links" as companies were easily caught doing that. These days corporations can merely operate as a cartel through shared mutual interest which is not strictly kosher either but is also more difficult to prove. It's the fundamental flaw with big corporations in the US economy today and no one in power is addressing it.

Lightning779d ago

Is there proof to anything you're saying?

I've never heard of anything like this or is this N4G once again make believing stuff outta thin air again?

crazyCoconuts9d ago

@jing if you have proof then I stand corrected.
Otherwise it seems like more conspiratorial thinking to explain what could otherwise be explained by natural forces of market economies.
Don't get me wrong, I believe there is bias all over and unsavory influences. I just don't think it's all centrally planned by evil villains in a smoke-filled room

S2Killinit8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

I don't think anyone has proof but my personal experience corroborates what he is saying about IGN being in MS’s corner for whatever reason.

Granted, Last time I visited IGN regularly was years ago, I literally stopped once I realized the huge bias they showed in favor of xbox. Their pages for the two consoles were fundamentally different. When they would invite xbox president he was treated completely different than when Shuhei Yoshida was invited. The xbox pres was treated as one of their own. There was just too many examples, it wasn’t even much of a secret.

Jingsing8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

@Lighting77 The proof is in the pudding, "Partnerships for Events: Microsoft and IGN partner for specific events or showcases." "Sponsored Segments: Microsoft has sponsored segments within IGN's showcases." "Industry Relationships: Microsoft and IGN, as major players in the gaming industry, simply have good working relationships. This leads to collaborations on shows & joint announcements without any ownership involved." They just had an event together recently. The crux of it is money is being exchanged for favors, when that happens editorial independence goes out the window.

There was controversy about Microsoft having involvement with Polygon in the past and it proved to be real and effected their editorial bias. "Investment in Web3 Startup: Microsoft's venture capital arm, M12, participated in a $20 million funding round for Space and Time, a Web3 data warehousing platform, alongside Polygon (amongst other investors) "

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shinoff21839d ago (Edited 9d ago )

I mean news did come out the same day hellblade did.

Jk

Petebloodyonion8d ago

The embargo was to make sure IGN had time to finalize the deal and make sure Eurogamer gave this game a 5 stars instead of a 3.

Man, how devious and low can Microsoft go just to promote Gamepass
I heard that it costs a ton of money to MS and they will raise the price of Gamepass by a lot of money just to compensate
true story

Christopher9d ago

Oh boy! If we've learned one thing about recent news, corporate shrinkage of an industry via buyouts from those at top only leads to good things for employees and consumers!

Aloymetal9d ago

100%!!
IGN and Eurogamer...A match made in heaven!!

thesoftware7309d ago

Aloy!
Yes, good credible websites, I agree, it is a good match.

IGN is one of the most trusted gaming sites, weather you like it or not, but I know because they don't fit the N4G goofiness bubble, they can't be good.

shinoff21839d ago

I left ign years ago. Used to be on the ign forums all the time. I left there and found here. Not sure if you remember but this place used to be pretty bad for Sony fans. 360 was king for a few years. Anyone I don't quite remember but ign changed. Whatever the fk it was it seemed for the worse.

VenomUK9d ago

You’re right Christopher, just look at how N4G has improved since the buyout. .

Huey_My_D_Long8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

I think the consolidation is an issue. the whole conspiracy angle n4g guys are playing at by saying MS gave IGN money for this is annoying, but overall the Consolidation is not a good move.

Christopher8d ago

I'm not on the bribing for reviews thing. Scores themselves should be ignored entirely as far as I'm concerned. But, consolidation is not helping anyone but to solidify IGN even more than ever before. Less competition at the top.

Lexreborn29d ago

Ummmm not sure that’s a good thing that all these review sites are under the same umbrella. There’s no guarantee that they will maintain a non-bias opinion not paid for by the highest bidder.

MrNinosan9d ago

They haven't been non-bias since GamePass was crowned "best service in gaming".

Amplitude9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

You can go much farther back than that. Never forget the Kane and Lynch 2 review drama

Edit: wait that was GameSpot. Still though - don't trust these websites for anything. Find YouTubers like who's opinions you agree with and watch them instead. GaminylGames, Minimme, Digital Foundry, GMan, whatever. All better than these ad-filled "reviews" from people who are forced to play games and score with an arbitrary number

MrNinosan9d ago

@Amplitude
Digital Foundry has lost my trust ever since they got that MS money, but other than that, I'm with you.

If I'm on the fence of a game, I wait till the reviewers that share my taste has given their opinion.

Cockney8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

@MrNinosan
I didn't blame Microsoft for inviting digital foundry to expressly launch their new hardware, I mean good move by them getting a non bias technology focused influencer to gush about the series x, my issue is they took them up on their offer, taking a blatant sweetener like that really irks me, ever since I view their content with a pinch of salt

Charal9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Ouch, that does not sounds good for Eurogamer.
With so much of the industry media that will more or less follow the same editorial line, it will be harder and harder to distinguish PR from actual journalism in a couple of years.

Thinking about it, may it explain their review score for Hellblade 2?

Christopher9d ago

***harder and harder to distinguish PR from actual journalism in a couple of years. ***

The age of gaming advertorials.

Petebloodyonion9d ago

You're right all of this is just to promote Hellblade 2 and inflate the score.
Also the why cuts are indeed coming to Eurogamer and other UK branches because they only gave Starfield an average score.

Jingsing9d ago

Shed the non US assets that are not favorable to Xbox keep the US assets that are. Microsoft are going to deliver crap and they are going to tell you their crap is good and you are going to buy it. That seems to be the strategy. At this point I just want them out of gaming as they are operating like cancer.

VenomUK9d ago

YouTubers ursurped the games media years ago.

victorMaje9d ago

Exactly right. No more journalists. Just 1 take regurgitated & paraphrased down the chain. Smh.

Abear218d ago

Their marketing budget is nonexistent. Instead they will publish articles for you to click on this site to get information (biased propaganda) about their games and ad dollars from you here and on their website too.

This is the new marketing strategy

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Two JRPGs inspired by the classics are doing great on Kickstarter right now

Runa and Alzara's crowdfunding campaigns are booming

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Even though I think runa looks great I'm more inclined to back the second Kickstart they show. One because they are actually doing a console version. Two because they have physical pledge.

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god. this gamesradar is riddled with ads and popups