Gamers Started A Petition With LG Over Non-Responsive TVs

With the Gaming market seeing an uprise in implementing HDR, TV manufacturers have bumped up their displays to support these technologies and provide customers with the best display experience.

[nX]

Hahaha, I wanted one of those OLED 4k TV's and actually didn't buy only because of input lag. They have my sign for this :D

[Godz Kastro]

How can you sign up if u don't have one

[nX]

Ehhh... I would buy one if they fix the input lag? So hard to understand?

[Princess_Pilfer]

@nX it's really not. Input lag is exactly what it sounds like, the time it takes for the image sent to the screen to actually display on screen. There are factors other than just the TV, but it can be tested on TVs specifically. Anything above 50ms (that is .04 or .05 of a second) is bad, at that point you're getting into the range where you'll actually be able to feel the delays, especially when you add in the *extra* input lag of the games current framerate. At 30FPS that's another .03 seconds btw. It won't feel like a big pause or anything, it will just make everything feel sticky.)

HDR just means more colors.

[indysurfn]

LG should be concerned for future purchasers so... Anyway also wanted to buy a 8999 OLED LG but I figured I could save 5500 and get a 3499 Samsung that only had a 23ms delay. Glad I made that decision.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Roommate has 55 in 4k OLED and it's fantastic.

[PGRfox]

God, gamers are so entitled. OLED's are NOT responsive by nature. Do some damn research first!!

[Korix]

Is that why both the HTC Vive and Oculus Rift use highly responsive OLED displays?
You should do some research as well. OLED can be used for high end gaming if done right. LG just can't be bothered, it seems.

[ninsigma]

Or, just maybe they made an oled tv without gaming in mind??

[Thatguy-310]

Like the guy said do some research before buying something. You can't blame LG for not making a TV with gaming in mind. Nothing but entitled individuals that feel they call the shots on these things. The individual is the one to blame simply because they purchase things uninformed.

[livedeht]

Vice and rift are led... psvr is oled

[zivtheawesome]

@livedeht
they are all using OLED actually.

[PGRfox]

I did my research thanks, which is why I went with Samsungs LED. It doesn't take much to find a response time for a TV. In fact the first review I pulled up mentioned OLED poor response time. These gamers are morons and made a poor decision and now want their money back? Give me a break

[MyDietEqualsGames]

People need to do the research. I remember when we didn't have most questions answered by a search bar.
No excuse and no need to feel sorry for someone making an uninformed purchase, unless they are truly naive then I digress.

[IamTylerDurden1]

It's hdr that causes lag. This TV has a jaw dropping display. OLED + HDR + 4k = stunning. If you are a competitive mp fan you can turn off hdr and motion flo to dramatically improve input lag. A great connection/hardlined into your console will also balance you out in mp. Decide what type of gamer you are. Do you want the most stunning tech and visuals, or do you want to every tiny competitive advantage you can get in order to be atop the leader boards?

I game for immersion and fun, not to get the most trophies or be the number 1 Cod player.

[SoundGamer]

@IamTylerDurden136m Bingo. I don't play fighters or competitive FPS' so I really don't care. I saw that input lag was worse than other TV's with the OLED's but since it really only matters to those type of gamers, I didn't care. I got the OLED and it's the best freaking TV I've ever laid my eyes on.

[indysurfn]

You go Korix!!!

[Ausbo]

I'm glad I know this now, since I was considering this purchase

[ninsigma]

Research is so important when it comes to tvs. Especially if you're looking for a 4k one to go with the pro.

[OpenGL]

OLED is by nature the most responsive display technology we've used other than Plasma. If it's got input lag issues it's because the display controllers and other hardware used in the TV is bad, not because OLED is bad.

[MyDietEqualsGames]

Entitled for wanting a feature in what is considered one of the best brands on the market, today? You know.. so they can throw money at the manufacturer?

[n1kki6]

Normally I would agree. But in the case of HDR and input lag the numbers are not always easy to find. In addition these numbers are not provided from the manufacturer, as well as the ability for them to change depending on firmware update. One could also assume that a $2000 - $4000 tv should certainly accommodate for gamers consider gaming consoles are the primary driver of HDR and 4k content at the moment even if it's upscaled. Instead of being up front about performance the manufacters have hid behind marketing jargon, very similar to 240hz refresh rates.

[Castus]

That's not true.

I have an OLED55E6.

Firstly: The OLED's have actually the highest response time of 0.1. Generally the big LED's etc, are higher to around 8 ms or so. I mention this because you're mistaking responsive and input lag I think.

secondly: The input lag is my screen is actually 34 ms in game mode. This is why I bought the TV, as this was acceptable. However it was hard to discover that when you play something in HDR, it leaves the game mode and turns on HDR mode.

So basically it has nothing to do with doing research as most people bought the TV knowing it would do 34 ms in game mode.

Thet petition is basically about adding game mode to the HDR mode.

[Articuno76]

Would be nice if more TV manufacturers also considered making panels that work well for gaming.

And on that note, where is Freesync in TVs? Heck, why hasn't Sony at least made their own version of it to work between Sony TVs and PlayStation 4?

[InMyOpinion]

A lot of them do. Some work for both, some are designed more for gaming and some more for movies. Why not research it yourself before buying? Can't blame the manufacturers on this one.

[LightofDarkness]

I have a B6 and the input lag isn't really perceptible to me. The pixel response is less than 0.1ms so there's no real need for there to be lag much higher than that, once you forego a good deal of image processing. But lag between your controller and console, console and TV is already well over 160-200ms, the extra 30-40 isn't going to spoil your experience too much more.

[thexmanone]

Agreed I have the C6, the few games that the Xbox one S does support with HDR, I have no problems with.

[Stwert]

Yeah I've got the C6 too and I don't notice the lag. It's not made a difference in game anyway. I was well aware of the higher lag of the screen before I bought it. I also tried it out first and it was fine. Of course if you sacrifice HDR you can cut the lag time in half, so it's odd that they haven't enabled it for HDR as well.

I've still got my Samsung (which was a top of the range one) the OLED is replacing and playing the same game on each feels no different to me so I've no complaints.

[Rimfro]

Exactly. If you compare reviews on rtings.com, you'll see that they are middle of the pack in HDR, and while the C6 isn't the fastest outside of HDR, it's faster than average. My C6 is faster than the plasmas I've owned, and is slightly faster than the non-HDR Sony 4K I just upgraded from. This is a total non-issue.

[nyctophilia13]

I have the E6 and what people don't seem to understand is that when the TV goes into HDR mode, like when firing up Uncharted 4, you can only select 3 picture modes on the TV: HDR Vivid, HDR Bright, and HDR Standard. Each one of these lets you change its settings, where you can tweak it to make the input lag way better. For starters, each one of these HDR picture modes has TruMotion turned on. Switching that off alone improves the lag greatly, then you can turn off settings like noise reduction to eek out any extra milliseconds. I've done this and my PS4 Pro looks stunning and responsive in HDR.

[Pancit_Canton]

LG = Laggy Games

[thexmanone]

No it dose not, I have the C6 with no problems. Do you even have a OLED tV?

[Pancit_Canton]

No, but I have a PSvita that uses an OLE Display.

[Ricegum]

Completely disagree. I have a 4k HDR LG and it's lovely for games and only set me back £500. LG do have gaming in mind with certain televisions which is why they use a feature called HDR Pro which allows for HDR and no suffering for response time.

This article doesn't apply to my LG tv at least.

[1nsomniac]

Like I've said 100 times on here stay well away from LG TV's.

[Nitrowolf2]

I recently bought a 4K LG for my PS4 Pro and I'm pretty happy with the results if there is any input lag I don't know what is it in comparison to my Samsung 1080

OLED in general for TVs are having issues with input lag for gaming. I almost don't think people should really be surprised though I remember the first wave of 1080p TVs having issues like that it'll be the same for 4K.

And people seem to forget much like the transition from standard to high-def however your TV is set up and sound system is set up a lot of it's going to end up changing too

[1nsomniac]

The only reason I say that is that every single LG TV I have had any experience with. Which has been I would say between 10-15. Have had very serious issues or completely died within 2-3 years. All of them bar none!

When it comes to TV's I would only ever go for Sony, Panasonic or Samsung. I wouldn't touch anything else. Even then you have to do proper research on them because they all have the odd terrible models no matter which brand you go for. I just find LG terrible across the board for reliability despite how good the picture quality is on some of them.

[rav3nz]

what bs you have had 10 to 15 lg tvs
why would you say all had serious issues lol what bs
Lg makes screens for Samsung ffs
LG won best gaming 4k HDR for 2016 high end oled with 24ms input lag on 4k hdr fool

[thexmanone]

You sir are wrong:

http://www.pcmag.com/articl...

[Nitrowolf2]

I enjoy samsung, but bough two of them two years ago, both craped out on me. I have a Sony still going strong, this was the 1st lg I bought (not the oled, just a 4k hdr for really cheap) and I'm pretty satisfying with its results.

Not saying ur issues aren't true, because believe me I've seen it happened, but like the other two have stated LG has seriously upped their game. I'll agree with you on those issues because I'd say 3 or 4 years ago LG wasn't really even much of a true tv manufacturer when it came to quality of their brands, but the last few years they have upped their game for 4k

[SmielmaN]

Don't know why you are catching so much heat. I wouldn't go by what "PC Mag" says for a tv either. Many of those recommendations are helped by advertising cash.

You have to have multiple points of research and sometimes you may need to buy a months subscription to certain sites to get that info. But it's worth it. Worked out fantastic for me. Heck, I researched trucks for 6 months before deciding what kind to go for. Then I spent another month searching for the exact model I wanted for the best price. Had to drive 5 and a half hours in a snow storm to finally get it but it was so worth it. Tip for car/truck shopping, don't buy new. Buy 1-3 years old then you will have lots of info on that model year and what's good/bad, what has had recall issues, etc. Not to mention you save a boat load of money by letting someone else break in the engine and deal with any defects or issues.

[blackblades]

Going by rtings lg tvs are behind samsung for sure. The only good tv lg has is there oled tvs which are the best tvs out but it's to expensive and higher input lag then samsung. They also always have a fake 4k tv on black friday which I bought one last year. People that don't know about it has a fake 4k tv sitting in there house and not know it.

[SmielmaN]

I agree. I would never buy an LG tv.

I know some ppl have to stick to a budget and that's fine, but if you research well, budget well, and can get a long extended warranty then you might as well spring for a high end unit that you plan on keeping for 6-8 years.

But I mean just from heading to a store to see the displays next to each other you can see LG is not in the upper tier of quality, in my opinion. Not trying to troll anyone's LG purchase, just commenting with my opinion. I take buying a TV very seriously.

[mogwaii]

What a shamozzle! I feel sony and microsoft got too ahead of themselves with the hdr/4k consoles.
I knew early on from doing my research that these tv's have a spectacular picture but are not good for gaming, i am hoping within a few years they might bring them up to speed and by then they will also be cheaper, fingers crossed.

[kakashi81]

One of the guys at best buy told me not to get a OLED just yet til the lag and price goes down.

[blackblades]

It'll be a decade until those prices go down.

[Zarock]

That's why I went with the Samsung 65KS9800 4k HDR TV. It has 19ms Input lag and looks just as good.

[SoulWarrior]

Don't know why you are getting disgaree's for stating facts, Samsung blow LG away when it comes to input, LG have stunning looking panels but input lag is not in their forte and I'm not sure why people are damage controlling it, for me anything higher than 35 is very noticeable and sadly most LG's are around or exceed this.

[SmielmaN]

I find Samsung is usually the way to go for high end. Always seem to look the best when I'm in a store browsing.

[HallowedSoul1]

they're disagreeing because 4k oled is untouchable PQ wise led doesnt even come close. quantum dot that would challenge oled isnt coming out until 2018/2019 and thats if oled doesnt get even better. this is why were all pissed because oled is glorious but lg sucks at making processors for their tvs. if we could buy oled somewhere else we would lg is putting people who want oled in a bad spot.

note panasonic new oled isnt coming out until september 2017.

[zb1ftw777]

Input lag is the first thing i look at when outlaying for a TV.

What a huge waste of money for a nice screen that displays your controller commands 2 seconds later.

[blackblades]

Yeah if you game that should be the 1st thing to look at then it's the motion. For me input lag has to be lower then 30ms cause they say 33ms is 2 frames. Motion has to at least be lower then 15 so that's the highest I'll go. Then judder and the rest of picture quality.

[windblowsagain]

Do your research before spending $$$

[SmielmaN]

Always! That's advice everyone should keep in mind.

[Castus]

I have an OLED55E6.

The input lag is my screen is actually 34 ms in game mode. This is why I bought the TV, as this was acceptable. However it was hard to discover that when you play something in HDR, it leaves the game mode and turns on HDR mode.

So basically it has nothing to do with doing research as most people bought the TV knowing it would do 34 ms in game mode.

Thet petition is basically about adding game mode to the HDR mode.

[corroios]

I think all companies must start to improve TV's for gaming, improve the gaming mode, the lag, because gaming is worldwide.

I just dont understand why any of the TV companies take in count the gaming world.

[SunnyZ]

Instead of writing a petition, how about you just, you know...
NOT BUY IT!?

Nahhh that's way to logical, we need to protest everything these days...

SMH

[nonpracticingatheist]

Input lag is one of the most important things when it comes to gaming. If you are playing a game that is 30 fps, then that means a new frame is drawn ever 33 miliseconds. So an input lag higher than 33 miliseconds will be perceptible on a consistent basis for a game running at 30 fps. If you are into FPS games and you feel the need for 60 fps, then an input lag of less than 17 ms otherwise there will be a consistently perceptible lag. Not everyone is as sensitive to input lag as others. Once you get into input lag above 40, it can severely hamper your gaming. The problem is that most TVs not just 4K tvs have input lag above 30 and many have above 60. Once you start adding on image processing like interpolated frames, HDR, Chroma, etc, the input lag can jump to 100+. Input lag above 100 ms is unplayable for almost all games. Input lag above 40 is unplayable for any fast twitch reflex gaming.

OLED is very responsive so the lag is introduced through the image processing circuitry. I hope that TV manufacturers would start to address this issue and start advertising the actual specs that are important to gamers and people who use it for a PC monitor.

[Afrokk]

Exactly, agreed.

[AsiaticGodBorn]

This isn't about entitlement when it comes to a corporate conglomerate like LG with the time and resources to at least provide an official statement/clarification if not an actual solution which Samsung and Sony have already attempted to provide to their customers of their 4K HDR TV sets. The fact is that many LG 2016 OLED owners are avid gamers who invested a significant sum of money expecting to use their tv's for a good number of years anticipating 4K HDR gaming. The input lag is only an issue with HDR enabled which poses a problematic predicament with the future of gaming trending towards HDR. This petition is the very essence of consumer rights and hopefully a catalyst for change that will benefit more than just those who own these particular tv's. Hopefully, this will get the attention it deserves and the powers that be take note.

[gbsrnctaln]

Thats the risk you take being an early adopter.

[cd1]

Do your research and you wont get stung. I was reading reviews months before upgrading to 4K HDR.

[HallowedSoul1]

people are mad because for monthes lg lead gamers on saying there was a game mode hdr patch coming by the end of the year. than out of nowhere they said sorry no hdr game mode for 2016 tvs. why cant some people understand its not about buying a tv we knew was missing the feature we wanted its about lg being incompetent on their flag ship expensive tvs. we all need to complain because lg needs motivation to step their game up with oled because right now if you really want oled you have to go with lg which sucks when lg are under delivering yet charging over delivering prices. after seeing oled PQ its very frustrating to have to downgrade to led because lg messed up a simple patchable feature on their 6000 dollar tv. why is this so hard to understand.

[DaGR8JIBRALTAR]

Get the ks 8000,8500 or 9000 from Samsung. Problem solved.

[IamTylerDurden1]

The 55in, 4K, OLED (LG) is jaw dropping with Pro.

The OLED and HDR make Infamous 1st Light look absolutely stunning. I have never seen anything like it in a game.

Tomb Raider at 4k on the TV is literally next Gen looking. The impressive tech in the TV makes Tomb Raider at 4K/30fps feel like it's about 40+ frames.

If you are not a big competitive mp fan and you want a stunning 4K/HDR/OLED display with great motion flow/improved framerate you are going to love the 4K, LG, OLEDs. The visual display of this TV is phenomenal, and if you are playing mp or Co op just turn off motion flo and HDR and you are golden.

[DivineAssault]

I strictly looked that up when i bought my samsung but ill sign the petition for the people who got shafted

[Petebloodyonion]

And suddenly gamer are realizing that a good tv cost more then 400$ and that perhaps it has more impact compare to resolution.

[e3kehoe]

I've got a 65 oled. It's a 2015. And the PQ is AMAZING!!!! Especially With the ps pro!! But I signed the petition because there is lag that they should address. Side note my wife thought I got a new tv when she saw the picture quality after I hooked up the pro because it looked that GOOD 😊

[Skankinruby]

I'm gonna wait on the pro til I hear good news about oled compatibility. I wanted the 65 inch LG oled with the pro and psvr but I'm not spending that much money until I know it works

[plmkoh]

LG is your problem, they can never get processing right. They can't even get basic 23.98 fps mode correct without juddering all over the place.

People may salivate at the 'OLED' word but it's not even full OLED, it's P-OLED but LG doesn't want you to recognise the difference. There's a big big reason why Samsung or Sony haven't bothered with OLED TV but yet LG could miraculously make them after buying the Kodak patents for P-OLED.

[Ashunderfire86]

And that Best Buy employee try to convince me that LG OLED TV is the better pick, but I choose Samsung UN55KS8000. One of the best HDR TVs for gaming! OLED TV is really good at night, can't hold a candle to the brightness of Samsung KS 8000 and 9000 series.

[Kaiou]

LG need to get their shit together , Samsung and Sony patched LAST year TVs for HDR input lag and LG is struggling with 2016 top of the line OLED display that cost thousands? , shame ..... shame ......shame ......shame....

[InMyOpinion]

Check yourself before you wreck your...wallet?

If you don't research this sh*t before you buy a pricey TV, for gaming also, the blame is on you.

[Pastorfuzz]

I wont get another LG anyway. I have had 2 of them over the years and the HDMI board crapped out on both after 2 years.

[GHFB70]

Hey people, I have no problem on my 4K HDR Oled tv. The petition is a nogo because you can play with HDR in game mode. I have it and it works perfectly. You must only use the right settings on your oled screen and in the PS4Pro.

1. First start the PS4Pro and log in. Then select the game modus on your TV.

2. On the TV, make sure that you have activated on the advanced settings > Picture > HDMI ULTRA HD Deep Colour on, you can do this for all the HDMI output ports.
3. Then go to advanced settings > Picture > Picture Mode Settings (Game) > Advanced Control > and make sure that Colour Gamut is select on Wide. (this text is grey and you cannot select this).
Then you go back to you PS4Pro and go to... Setting > Sound and Screen > Video Output Settings > and make sure that you have the following specs on...

4. Resolution: Automatic
5. TV Size: Your specs
6. RGB Range: Full
7. HDR: Automatic
8. Deep Colour Output: Automatic

Then go to Video Output information, and you must have now seen that HDR on your TV 2K/4K is Supported.

That's all... Once you start a game with HDR your TV will give you a short message that HDR is On / or Off.

Good Luck, it's all in the settings. I have no problem with input lag now, because it's in game mode and it do HDR.

[iistuii]

Hilarious. The amount of people who rush out without doing any research to buy a tv for gaming then complain when it's lagging. People rushed out to buy 4K tv's for their Xboxs/PSpro & got them home not realizing they don't have true HDR. Do research & stop whining.

[FlyShootRaceSims]

What a bunch of self-entitled fools. Rtings.com (best HDR gaming tvs for 2016)----there!

[Daoshai]

..... oled is ranked best on that site for hdr gaming. You fail, sir

[FlyShootRaceSims]

Wow aren't you stupid. You missed the part when they said "if you care about input lag then you should skip the OLED's" and suggested the Samsung K series.

[cd1]

I believe Richer sounds have the Samsung 55" KS7000 for £999 on sale atm - that would be the best grand you will ever spend, i have the 49" and its epic. You need a long cabinet to put it on btw, unless wall mounting.

[KingAlistair]

My Acer Predator XB321HK destroys these tvs,especially in response rime...And they are more expensive for being quite worse lol.

[T2X]

Sometimes, you do get what you pay for. I would stick with a nice Bravia or Samsung anyway. I don't have one yet.