Bethesda has remastered the wrong game

IM PLAYIN:

"Before I kick off into an article which I’m sure will ruffle a few feathers, let me start off by saying that I love Skyrim. In fact, Skyrim is one of my faovirte games, like, ever. It’s in the top five, for sure. So I am incredibly excited for Bethesda’s remaster, which I’m sure will be every bit as epic as the original."

[-Foxtrot]

Yeah it's Oblivions 10th Anniversary they should have done something special

[Eldyraen]

It's also Skyrim's 5th. I almost expected another 11/11 but that's being reserved for Dishonored 2.

[SolidStoner]

Morrowind anyone?

[nitus10]

I have never played Morrowind and I that may be the best choice for a remaster from my perspective. The problem is many people have played Morrowind and having looked at the graphics I do think that a compleat graphics overhaul (read expensive) may be needed.

I have played both Skyrim and Oblivion and graphically Skyrim is just so much better although gameplay-wise I liked both. I did find that traversing those Gates started to become a bit of a grind and if you did not set up your attributes properly at the start of the game then the game got almost impossibly harder unless you reduced your difficulty which IMHO is akin to cheating although I did make the game harder when I had high magic as well as buffed weapon and armour.

Having a 1080p Skyrim for my PS4 would be nice but I am not going to rebuy a game I have spent hundreds of hours on. Great for people who have never played the game before although I do suggest that to really enjoy the challenge start at normal or one level higher and don't reduce the difficulty (ie. wimp out) every time you hit a more difficult creature which can easily be overcome if you just level up or get weapons and armour.

[nowitzki2004]

@Solid

Morrowind deserves a full remake.

[generic-user-name]

But Skyrim can (just about) get away with being remastered but Oblivion would need a complete overhaul, it's gameplay has not aged well. And I'm speaking as someone who thinks Oblivion was 100x better than Skyrim. But Skyrim makes more sense and I understand why they did it.

Would pay many cash for an Oblivion remake.

[Testfire]

As someone who never played Oblivion what in your opinion made it better than Skyrim? It's in my backlog of games to play for sure though. Right now I'm finishing up Dark Souls and also Divinity Original Sin.

[thekhurg]

@testfire

Oblivion offered a little more freedom in terms of gameplay, spell creation, magic weapons/armor, etc.. Just like Morrowind offered significantly more of those freedoms than Oblivion did.

With each elderscrolls game, Bethesda has taken away features and toned down the amount of character customization that the player can do.

[Testfire]

@thekhurg, thanks for the reply. Morrowind is definitely on my backlog list as well. Isn't Skywind supposed to be coming soon? Can't wait for that.

[sullynathan]

Oblivion is worse than Skyrim in nearly everyway.

[generic-user-name]

@Testfire

Many reasons, one reason is because Oblivion was my first Beth game ever (you'll find people will pick their first Beth game as their favourite a lot) so everything it did felt new and blew me away.

But one area that I don't think anyone can deny is that Skyrim had REALLY shallow guild questlines compared to Oblivion. The Dark Brotherhood was my favourite but the Thieves Guild was a close second (the final quest for the Thieves was superb). I would have literally paid full price just for the Dark Brotherhood stuff and that was like 10% of the whole game. So I was ridiculously hyped for Skyrim once I learned the Dark Brotherhood would be returning but man was I disappointed, it wasn't just them though, all the guilds seemed way shorter and lacked a real sense of progression in Skyrim. Even the quest journal was simplified, in Oblivion it was like your character was writing a diary entry after each step in a quest that you could read and refresh your memory with, in Skyrim it's "go here, kill this".

Oh and the ability to create your own spells in Oblivion was also very cool. I still like Skyrim loads, it's main quest line is probably better than Oblivions and it's combat and visuals were much improved and I do plan on getting it again on PS4 but Oblivion is just miles better for me.

[Rachel_Alucard]

@Testfire

The quests offered a lot more creativity and were way more varied. I can give you a summary of all the problems with Skyrims dungeons/quests in one comparison

Oblivion: "Help! A gang of women are robbing the men of the town of all of their belongings! Why don't you go down to where they "persuade" people, try getting them to invite you, and then we'll catch them off guard."

Skyrim: "Help! A gang of women are robbing the men of the town of all of their belongings! Why don't you go down to this dungeon full of Necromancers/Dragur and get the key thats stored in the chest at the end of the dungeon. Then we can enter their house and catch them off guard."

Practically every quest is, "Go to this dungeon full of Dragur and open the chest at the end" with shallow room for anything outside of that. Not to mention skills, abilities, spells, classes, factions and much more being removed or dumbed down to some kitty pool levels of depth.

Also, just look at the steps required to join the mages guild in Oblivion.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Ob...

It was a long and monotonous journey but you actually felt like a mage trying to join the school. They even give you a quest to go get wood out of tree to make a staff for you, plus all the ranks you go through trying to eventually become arch-mage, instead of becoming arch-mage after 4 fetch quests to dungeons and never once having to cast a single spell.

[Bahamut]

They just need to remaster Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim and release them in a pack together.

[nX]

"just" three of the biggest games ever created, right? :D
If anything, Morrowind would be the one that deserves it the most.

[nitus10]

I don't disagree with you but have you considered how much a pack like that would cost to make? Skyrim would probally be fairly cheap to remaster but Oblivian and Morrowind would be progressively more expensive. Also Bethesda would also have to make a pretty good guess as to how many people would purchase such a pack.

I am not saying a remaster of all those game would not sell but Bethesda would have to weigh he total cost to remaster and test (they are all massive games) against total sales.

[Bahamut]

@nitus10

I doubt a simple remaster of these games would be a major hit to them. Especially after all of us start buying it. They could take a pack like that and sell it for like 80 bucks and most of us would still buy it.

[raWfodog]

I'm thinking that Skyrim remaster would require less work on their part than the older ES's.

[nX]

Skyrim also has the least benefits, they should've waited with it until the new consoles arrive.

[hirobrotagonist]

I'd love an Oblivion remaster, but they'd have to do a lot more work than they did on Skyrim. Namely, making the character not look like potato heads for a start

[ProjectVulcan]

Skyrim got more love but Oblivion was just the better game for me. I loved Oblivion. Never felt that for Skyrim. Oblivion blew me away, it might have been because it was one of the first true 'next gen games', coming out literally just a scant few months after Xbox 360. It was by far the best early title in 360's life, it was amazing whether you got it on PC or 360.

It was impactful even for me as a PC gamer because you did need a bang up to date expensive PC to get Xbox 360 level visuals when the game launched. Oblivion had nearly all the bells and whistles on 360 (HDR enabled + 2xAA, albeit at 1024 x 600) and you needed at least a £300 ATI video card like an X1800XT to get about the same experience, when you could buy a premium 360 and the game for the same £300!

[Forum_Pirate]

But oblivion is like, not good. The actual RPG systems are deeper, but they don't actually add anything.

Like in Skyrim, there is 1 questline per guild with 1 ending.

Like with Skyrim, the story is a poorly executed with boring characters and consists primarily of combat and offers little to no opportunity to roleplay.

Like with Skyrim, many of the dungeons are quite obviously Copy/pasted many, many times.

Like with Skyrim, Enemies scale to your level (in fact it's worse in Oblivion) and it sucks the tension and feeling of progression out of the game.

Like with Skyrim, the world is not put together with thought for things like trade routes and how the people in the world would actually have to get around which means it feels like a themepark instead of a world

Like with Skyrim. even if you *wanted* to turn the map markers off and actually have an adventure instead of being lead around by the nose you simply have no way to navigate the world.

Like with Skyrim, any lock can be unlocked at any time simply because the player is good at the minigame instead of because the character has a skill they can use.

The "Special" thing to do with Oblivion would be to remake it from the ground up so it's actually an RPG instead of an action game parading around in an RPGs flayed husk. Come to think of it, that's what they should do with SKyrim too.

[Forum_Pirate]

See, thing is, you can disagree with my opinion that Oblivion is bad, but the things I stated (the people often complain about in Skyrim but seem to overlook about oblivion) are simple facts and not subject to your opinion.

[TheSaint]

Agreed, Skyrim is too fresh in the memory, a remastered Oblivion would be amazing.

Though with how buggy Oblivion was I expect they were too scared to try.

[nuckfuggets]

they shouldhv given us TESO freeeeee

[JackStraw]

nah. they should've remastered the game that sold worse. makes a lot of sense from a business perspective.

[markoghc]

Morrowind, anyone?

[Cy]

They need to wait until Skywind is almost done then serve a C&D and steal all their assets.

[FastRedPonyCar]

They can't. The Skywind team is literally building the game from the ground up. Every model, every square inch of the land, every rock, tree, recorded dialgue, etc. Everything is being done from scratch. It's essentially a total conversion mod.

Bethesda can't legally do anything but pat the guys on the back, tell them good job and probably offer some of them jobs.

[TheFirstClassic]

Morrowind overhaul is awesome

[iiorestesii]

Morrowind will get the remake

[Tankbusta40]

Oblivion, Marrowind, daggerfall all deserve to be remastered before Skyrim (of course I am sure that would take more work, hence why Skyrim is getting the remaster)

[Bobafret]

I think Daggerfall would look a tad rough even with a remaster, it's 20 years old.

[TheFirstClassic]

It would pretty much have to be remade from the ground up. Might as well make a new tes at that point.

[Gorilla_Killa_X]

I wonder how much space Dagger fall would take up on someone's hard drive if it was completely overhauled to meet current gens graphical fidelity. That map was massive. And it seemed like a million places to visit.

[Randostar]

Those games would require complete overhauls.

[JEECE]

I know it's cool to say the older ESs are better than Skyrim because too many "bros" found out about Skyrim and made it "mainstream," but can we not pretend that Daggerfall belongs in the same category as the other games? It was absurdly big, randomly generated, and empty. The game would have to be completely remade to not be terrible by modern standards, and at that point Bethesda might as well just focus on Elder Scrolls 6, since they'd basically be making a new game anyway.

[Jayszen]

@JEECE

"...it's cool to say the older ESs are better than Skyrim because too many "bros" found out about Skyrim and made it "mainstream"..." ;

Really?

[nitus10]

I thought the main idea of a game developer and producer like Bethesda was to make and sell games. If "bros" like your game and your have great sales then Bethesda have done allot of things right.

[vickers500]

Another reason Skyrim is getting remastered is because it was practically already done. Todd Howard said they remastered Skyrim as practice for making Fallout 4 for next gen consoles. Groundwork was pretty much already done.

[kevnb]

Morrowind is the one I want, but Skyrim is the one more people are going to buy. So they arent wrong unfortunately.

[FlameBaitGod]

Exactly, they do it cus this will be the one that will bring the $$$

[brianunfried]

I would have preferred Fallout 3

[Keyblade]

new vegas tho

[Movefasta1993]

Skyrim has a way bigger fanbase,so it makes sense.BUt I would have preferred a moroowind/oblivion remaster, but there still is skywind for pc .

[Playable_Gamez]

Skyrim is overrated

[nX]

No, it's not.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Are its sales?

[sullynathan]

and Oblivion is overrated too especially here in N4G. The game was terrible in 2006 and is even worse now.

[Playable_Gamez]

OVerrated doesn't mean terrible. I enjoyed Skyrim.

[nitus10]

If I said "I think Skyrim was a great game". could probably get away with just those words mainly because allot of people would agree with me, however, just saying "Skyrim is overrated" will get you allot of disagrees although you are entitled to your opinion but many here would like to know why you think that way, otherwise you basically come across as a troll.

[ocelot07]

Agreed I would of preferred Oblivion or Morrowind to be remastered.

[GamePeace]

No. I'm fine with what they're doing ...

as long as they're working on a completely new Elder Scrolls along those remasterings.

[Duke19]

As someone who has beaten Oblivion and Skyrim, I would also have preferred Morrowind. Never played it before, and its hard to get into because it looks so dated now

[IIFloodyII]

Would have preferred Morrowind or Oblivion too, but can see why they've gone with Skyrim, it'd be much cheaper to make and will likely sell more, as it's the most known TES game.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Would be more work and take longer to release. Also they're already working on a few projects too so...

[Eidolon]

And if not Oblivion. I want Fallout 1/2 for Vita, Please do it.

[TheFirstClassic]

I don't know lol. I honestly really like the Vita, but its the truth at this point. I would have loved a TES on Vita, or if the canceled oblivion game got picked up for it.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Agreed, I enjoyed Fallout III so much. A remaster would be awesome!

[masso9112]

Skyrim being the most popular and the one that had more sales is the best option bussiness wise.

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Fallout 3 all the way!

[scark92]

Oblivion needed it, it was a fantastic game, Id love to beat it again.

[BlackIceJoe]

I want a Morrowind remake. That is the one that l want the most. It would be great if Bethesda bought the source code for the remake one that modders have been working on. Because it would save them time not having to make it themselves and because it is a mod it would be cheap to get the source code.

Valve has done that in the past with mods, so l see no reason that can't happen with this too.

[EricHonolulu]

Yes!!! When they said Skyrim remaster, I was like... Hey, what about OBLIVION!!!!!!!!!!

[LoveSpuds]

More than happy to play Skyrim on my PS4. I played it to death on PC but would love to play from my sofa on my big TV while earning my trophies. Quite how I will fit it in I dont know, there are just so many games coming out!

[ONESHOTV2]

what's the difference playing skyrim on a 32 in monitor compare to a TV yeah the monitor would win because of the higher res and better colors if you have HDR and higher refresh rate. dont talk about playing on pc if you dont have one becuase if you did you would know you can kick back with a controller on pc. you console only guys sometimes give the best jokes

[AZRoboto]

Rude. He just wants to kick back on a couch with a big tv and earn psn trophies. It's not a grave insult to your PC master race to crap on someone that just wants to game (like he already did on PC)

[LoveSpuds]

Dude, I am not some kid who needs to make up stories, I am a 41 year old professional with a family.

I am currently sat in front of one of the latest 65inch 4K televisions with all 3 current gen consoles plugged into it, along with my beloved ps3. I also suffer with a disability that means I prefer to get comfy in my armchair with my pooch on my lap, rather than sat at a desk (which I do all day at work).

I havent said anything inflammatory, just a personal expression about my excitment for an upcoming game. I have news for you squire, you are the kind of person that ruin what could be a great community, you are the one with a chip on your shoulder, you are the one who looks to take offence at other peoples personal preferences.

Thank you for the insult mate, another perfectly innocent comment turned into an argument.

[ONESHOTV2]

LoveSpuds&AZRoboto--- for your answer below as i have said it makes no difference to game on your tv with your rig compare to console there are no downside to it no draw backs you are just looking for a fault to complain about." you just want to sit back unlock trophies isn't that something that steam does better than consoles. just admit you are not the pc type of guy dont try and downplay something you are not apart of you see people like me that own both console and PC i can go around and say whatever i need because i have the right to do it. but someone like you that complain about a simple thing as hooking up you HDMI to your tv and setting your controller up needs to get with the time or dont say anything. respect to you but next time dont start with insults Dude, "I am not some kid who needs to make up stories, I am a 41 year old professional with a family". who would you say is the rude one

[LoveSpuds]

Again ONESHOT, I havent downplayed anything, I havent said anything negative about PC, I actually alluded to just how much I loved Skyrim on my PC.

I started gaming on a PC around 20 years ago, some of my favourite games have been PC games, not that I need to justify myself to spiteful people like you who refuse to accept that different people have different preferences.

All I did was express my excitement at playing Skyrim on my PS4, a console that I get a lot of enjoyment from. Quite why that has offended you is baffling to me.

I am well aware that I can hook up my PC to my TV by the way, thanks for that brilliant insight. I dont want a PC in my living room and the PC is also used by the rest of my family for school work etc so that will be staying under a desk where it belongs.

Enjoy being angry and rude pal, while you may be able to read you might want to spend some time working on your comprehension, because you seem to see complaints and negativity where there were none.

[ONESHOTV2]

LoveSpuds----- again with the rude comment i would expect something better from a person like you that claims he has been gaming on pc for last 20 year "Enjoy being angry and rude pal, while you may be able to read you might want to spend some time working on your comprehension, because you seem to see complaints and negativity where there were none". if it's a rude person you are looking for i can be that guy if you want but i like to keep a leveled head. and my friend as i have said have you need to keep up with the time what person that has been gaming on pc for last 20 years dont know about steam link http://store.steampowered.c... you dont need your full tower in your living room again you are looking for faults that has been solved already. what are you going to come up with next another insult ? i'm expecting it. it's alright stay where you are on consoles you will fit in with the rest of the senile that think the same way as you. enjoy your day sir

[Ausbo]

I agree. Oblivion was my fav Bethesda game. But skyrim was fantastic as well.

[EricHonolulu]

But if they ever remaster Oblivion, they should try to change ares where you can just run though like getting the sigil stones in the oblivion gates. Should make it have gates that stay closed and then open up after you kill a certain enemy. If you just run through all the enemies and get the stone, it's not really that meaningful.

[leahcim]

totally agree with headline
imao
Oblivion > Skyrim period

[KentBenMei]

Skyrim > Every other Bethesda game.

[TheFirstClassic]

Dear God no.

[KentBenMei]

Oh God, yes.

[sullynathan]

Oblivion is fucking terrible. It would need an entire remake to make that shit work.

[Gamist2dot0]

I prefer a remake of Oblivion, not remaster, though.

[SCW1982]

Should have been Morrowind

[MasterD919]

Yeah, they should have remastered Rogue Warrior. What a turd of fun that game was.

[mahmoods26]

Well it's a financial decision I think. They pretty much admitted that they ported Skyrim to the Xbox one in order to prepare making Fallout 4. It would make sense that porting over these features wouldn't cost them a lot and that the version would sell.

[DarXyde]

Let's just hope they can get a console remaster of a last gen game running on current gen hardware to run properly on day one.

Then again, this is Bethesda.

[DragonPaw]

When Skyrim came out, it was in the age of not needing online service to play games. Now, it is pretty much a must, and those who played single player missed out on this game. This is for the 360 users who wouldn't pay for online service because it was free for Sony. There are a lot of converts!

[Rayman757]

Bathesda was going to remaster Morrowind, but then they took an arrow in the knee.

(I'm so sorry. I just really couldn't help myself.)

[TeamLeaptrade]

I think Skyrim was the bigger hit out of the franchise and that's why they went with Skyrim over Oblivion, but I would welcome oblivion to be remastered as well.

[rcalafactor]

The Reason They choose Skyrim is, because they already had it started. They used Skyrim to help design Fallout 4. All they had to do was to do some adjustments to the test model. In which made it easier to remaster skyrim than Oblivion or morrowind.

[brando008]

As much as I love Skyrim, I wish they had done Oblivion

[jmc8888]

It's the same game. It's not a full remake, they're just making the graphics better. Also it's hard to complain, it's free for PC users who have the DLC.

But I know Morrowind is what we all wanted to be remastered, but they'd have to do it all from the ground up, a true remake.

[showtimefolks]

i am buying it since i didn't play it last gen on ps3(due to many issues with the game)

i would love for them to remaster fallout 3 and new vegas(with best dlc not all) from ground up

also original prey remaster

[cheeko]

COMPLETELY agree with you. Oblivion is a straight masterpiece. nuff f'in said.

[AZRoboto]

As much as I'd love to see Bethesda do it, a Morrowind remaster would be too big an effort for them. Skyrim is the quickest and I'm getting it free on PC anyway!

Maybe ES6 is so far off and Skyrim is first is because it will be entire continent?

[jay2]

It was only done for fo4 then someone opened their mouth so it was then given a release

[Yetter]

MORROWIND!!!

[kingjames18]

I agree. i would of loved to see Oblivion remastered with a updated engine.

[irishyort]

good article but I'm extremely happy with Skyrim. I actually missed this world and it was cut short at the end of my last gen gaming cycle. I was actually pissadointed with the rumors not being true with regards to some of these remakes for the new gen.

Im hopefully looking forward to : Mass Effect Collections bundled with Andromeda please... I wish...

[beebap]

Also Fallout 3 would be great along with new vegas too.

[beebap]

I wish they would remaster oblivio, it is my favourite elder scrolls and one of my top games ever as for Skyrim I didnt even finish it but might now it has bee remastered, would of also liked morrowind also as I tried to play it once and the graphics put me off.

[m2stech]

Being the newest it was probably the easiest and cheapest to remaster anyway.

[Tzuno]

They remastered what was the easiest to do without taking too many risks.

[Malacath]

Would have preferred a Morrowind remaster.

It's the game that would have benefited most from a remaster considering it's something like 14 years old.

It's also the best Elder Scrolls game ever.

[star129]

a remaster of E.S IV Oblivion is in need of an remaster yes. But how without losing features that the game has to a another engine that cannot not implement.

[dmonee]

Hogwash! Skyrim was a mess on the PS3. Bethesda can't be forgiven for that. Now they have an opportunity to make good and redeem themselves. I'm looking forward to this remaster.

[Crakface]

dark souls crushed the buildings. Remaster Skyrims crappy combat mechanics.

[ASSASSYN]

I can't lie. When I read about the remaster for skyrim, my first thought was... what about morrowind? That would have been an amazing game to play again. It was my first experience with elder scrolls, and made me such a fan that I transitioned to playing fallout 3 with ease given the similarities.