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Do all RPGs really need to be so long?

Although everyone expects RPGs to be dozens of hours long, one gamer wants to know, after playing short titles such as Undertale and South Park: The Stick of Truth, if they can be better paced if they just trim all the fat.

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FallenAngel19843021d ago

It's very expected of the genre

syotos773021d ago

Well most rpg story games are single player. So if these companies expect me to buy their game for 60 dollars, I expect to get 60 dollars worth of entertainment. I wouldn't be happy paying 60 dollars for an rpg that only lasted 10-20 hours with little to no replay value.

aquaticDonut3021d ago

And what about when they're only $10, like the one used in the thumbnail?

syotos773021d ago

@donutboy honestly I don't really want a short experience when I play an rpg so I typically go for the larger titles, but things like bastion and Transistor weren't too long but we're definitely worth the play through, so there are exceptions, but I've heard people say there is too much to do in games like the witcher or dragon age or fallout and it just always seemed silly. The main point I was trying to make is that it's important to me to feel like I got my money's worth.

Bdub20003020d ago

I wouldn't enjoy a role playing game that wasn't very long. The whole idea is to take your time and build your character to a role you want to play, and spend hours using that character to complete missions.

CarlosX3603021d ago

Yes, and my answer to the question of this posting: Yes. The whole point of RPG's is to start from zero, and climb up to a climax of sorts. FF7 does this brilliantly by converging story and how "experienced" your player is (Cloud at Level 30-ish for example).

Sunny_D3020d ago

RPG's are literally the only game genre that makes me feel that I get my money's worth and then some when I buy them. I put hundreds of hours into them and come out satisfied even if they aren't the best in the genre.

Thefreeman0123021d ago

Well no but it needs replay value and substance story/ plot wise

GryestOfBluSkies3021d ago

the length of these games is why i now (usually) pass on them. RPG used to be my favorite genre, but i also used to have a lot more time to dedicate to playing them

xerokai3021d ago

So since you no longer have time to play full length RPGs should the remaining player base be denied a lengthy RPG experience? I'm not criticising perse. I also no longer have time to invest in a full RPG but I wouldn't expect game play to be changed to follow my availability. I just play more ARPGs or strategy titles.

Sunny_D3020d ago

This is true. I have had Witcher 3 for months now and I'm still early into the game due to my busy schedule. But, I am willing to keep playing it. I just play other games with RPG's as well.

Articuno763021d ago (Edited 3021d ago )

A lot of them have way too much fluff, both in terms of grind and meandering narrative. It's funny because older JRPGs tend to be blisteringly paced in comparison to modern ones: more happens the opening 15 hours of FFVII than the first 30 in newer games. And all of Chrono Trigger's excellently paced story is over and done with before the 30 hour mark.

It's better to tell an average story with excellent pacing than it is to tell an excellent story with average pacing.

wonderfulmonkeyman3021d ago (Edited 3021d ago )

I would argue that what goes on during the bits between the story paces is what defines whether or not an excellent story with average pacing is a better choice than an average story with excellent pacing.

To be fair, a lot of games recently haven't had that much in terms of meaningful between-story content, but there are some stand-out examples that use smaller side-story narrative to fill the gap, rather than merely meaningless fluff.

I think with games like Witcher III and Xenoblade X, we're getting closer to devs realizing what makes good content for between story missions.

Unless something goes horribly wrong in the next few years and we get a string of stupid mistakes from both old hats and new faces, I think we can at least hope that it will be a gentle up slope in quality from here on out...

Articuno763021d ago

"I would argue that what goes on during the bits between the story paces is what defines whether or not an excellent story with average pacing is a better choice than an average story with excellent pacing."

Yeah, I was making the assumption that "all other things be equal". But in reality it's rarely quite that black and white.

Khaotic3021d ago

I like long rpgs as long as they keep me engaged. Its a good value to have one i can put 100+ hours into since i dont buy alot of games.

_-EDMIX-_3021d ago

Agreed, as long as your engaged. I just don't feel value is in hours as one can play a RPG that is lots of hours that is with a lot of filler or bad or your not engaged as much etc.

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How To Solve Fallout 4 Next-Gen Update Performance Issue On OLED Steam Deck

Despite being verified for the Steam Deck, Fallout 4 has issues running on the OLED version of Valve's handheld device. Here's how it works.

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Firebird3608h ago

Isn't this a better and easier work around?...

There is a partial workaround that adds the Fallout 4 launcher back  ;to the Steam Deck version of the game. Players need to add “SteamDeck=0 %command%” to Fallout 4’s launch options in the game’s settings on Steam Deck. But it’s wild and not great that players have to do this just to change visual settings while playing on Valve’s portable PC.

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Fallout 4 next-gen upgrade woes continue for some PS Plus users

Some PS Plus subscribers can now access the next-gen version of Fallout 4 after Bethesda addressed concerns on Thursday, but others have still been left in the cold.

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gold_drake1d 12h ago

yup, worked for me a few hours ago

MrDead1d 2h ago

This update on PC kills mods, they still didn't improve or fix the draw calls and if you have an RTX card the game still crashes unless you turn off debris.
So if you mod the game it now looks worse, plays worse, all of your saves are broken and the game breaking bugs are still present.

purple10122h ago(Edited 22h ago)

Good work detective

Bethesda strikes again, always thought their games were a tad boring anyway, this was even before Microsoft brought them. Used to quake 3 team arena to death, on an old pc, at the time it was new, fresh, fast paced and innovative, their games these days, are none-of-the-above

Michiel19899h ago

Ever heard of a game called Doom or Wolfenstein, detective?
Also quake 3 arena was made by ID, which at the time wasn't part of Bethesda.

Profchaos12h ago

Yeah I've had friends rebuy the game because the ps plus didn't work and they used to own the last gen version sold off the physical after the PS plus pack included fallout when they got the ps5.

So overall I know ms has likely warned quote a bit from this error.

Barlos5h ago

This game hasn't aged well. I was really looking forward to the update, but I'm just not enjoying it. I never did get on with the settlement building and raiders, and I still don't. I won't be going back to this now.

mkis0072h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Settlement stuff was way undercooked. Too many settlements and QOL updates are needed, and can only be added by mods...which disable achievements. The game does 2 things better than past games: Gunplay and scavenging.

Profchaos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Have to agree settlement stuff was boring and dull but I loved the game outside of that still do. But next to other games is it's era like witcher 3 it always felt a little stuck in the mid 2000s

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Fallout 4 Next-Gen Update Has A Bugged Out Quality Mode On Xbox Series X|S

The next-gen update for Bethesda Game Studios' Fallout 4 currently has a bugged out Quality mode on Xbox Series X|S.

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anast20h ago

Ha! They messed up the Xbox upgrade.

GamerRN17h ago

It's not messed up. This mode runs 60fps 1440p with ultra settings. If you want to see the other modes, disable 1440p somehow.

Ironmike20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

They have and they haven't just download 60fps and ultra setting mod and gane looks great

GamerRN17h ago

And Ultra Settings ... @1440p. It's working as expected. There is a star that states in the patch notes that if 1440p is available, quality mode will stay in 60fps 1440p with ultra settings.

Barlos17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Surely not! Bugs with something from Bethesda? Get outta here!

Father__Merrin6h ago

I noticed that performance mode on or off both 60fps which is best mode to use then?

BeRich2335h ago

"On" does seem to perform better too me.

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