2008 Fall Dashboard Preview: Installations Revealed

A Video found by Gametrailers forum user NextGenSucks on game installations for the new 2008 Dashboard Update.

[elitewh0re]

looks promising!

[MazzingerZ]

Looks better than the blades. I'm more curious about which game MSFT will start distribuiting via XBL, the reason for all this is not directly the optional installs but digital distribution of games similar to what can be found over the PSN. The only negative with this is that owners needs to buy a new HD, the rest is just positive things, better games, less crappy XBLA, competition between XBL and PXN that will result in better prices for users on aither console.

Looking good!

[power of Green]

"I'm more curious about which game MSFT will start distribuiting via XBL"

They've been doing that for months, just because they havn't done anything outside of the *XBL Arcade market* and *Xbox originals market* doesn't mean they are not distribuiting via XBL.

[Gondee]

They say that if you had a disk 2 you could install only that one. But still play off the the first disk =)

According to majornleson podcast

[MazzingerZ]

@power of green

Exactly.

I'm talking about digital distribution of REAL next-gen games, 5 GB and higher, original games not handhelds ports, nor games like Joust, Frogger, Paperboy and only god knows what else...they are cleaning up that mess now, which is good. I know very well about all that as I owned a X360 during a whole year.

To be more clear: Games like Warhawk, Socom:Confrontation, Wipeout HD, SIREN: BC, GT5P

[GOTY 2007]

Agreed mate! It's gonna be sweet!

[power of Green]

My point has more to do with the excuse in your post about claiming PS3 had still 1uped the 360 (in your mind). My comment was pun for your off topic comment and the excuse you posted to mention PS3.

[radzy]

i cant wait

[Omega4]

Cant wait for this, might just have to buy an elite if they dont drop the 120GB harddrive price

[Silellak]

I'm gonna need a bigger hard drive :|

[sak500]

Yep, my 20gb (13free) from launch still has 10.9gb but with fall update and installable games i think it will be time to upgrade. MS LISTEN TO YOUR LOYAL GAMING AUDIENCE AND DROP THE PRICE OF 120GB...

[HAZ3]

You can now install full games on the 360 HDD faster than it takes to install 3-5GB on other consoles. Even better, is the fact it's optional.

[Silellak]

We were doing perfectly fine here, there was absolutely no reason to bring up the PS3 and turn this into ANOTHER fanboy wank-off.

[OMGLOLZ]

Come on, take a break from the console bashing for once, it's a good idea to e-rest every now and again...

[tatotiburon]

"Oh well, there aren't that many good games on 360 anyway, so the 20GB will suffice. "

More better games than PS3...or you wanna check metacritick? i guess not

[kinggeoff]

go be a tool elsewhere please

[vdesai]

IM DAMN tired of these damn fanboys they should be permanetly banned from the gamer zone. I prefer the PS3 myself but I may be getting a 360 soon. Is there any easy way too mod the drive too use any type of hard drive? Well anyhow I think both sides can agree on one thing banning those fanboys.

And the thing is most PS3 installs dont take that much space anyhow.

[byeGollum]

cant wait fro the fall update, ill be getting a 360 around then

[Stryfeno1]

Nice

[elitewh0re]

What i'm looking forward to is how the multi-disc games will work, Major Nelson on (i think) last week's podcast mentioned something about how well the multi-disc games will work, presumably, install all 3/4 discs, and just use disc 1 to play through? this update news is getting better and better :) As above have mentioned, definately time to get a bigger drive !

[Omega4]

Hope thats true will make playing thoses JRPGs a lot smoother

[DA_SHREDDER]

I cant wait to see how long it takes to download a game life FF13 on the 360. I bet I will beable to take a crap, shower, eat lunch, and dinner before that download is done.

[elitewh0re]

yeah but the key word : Optional...
do yourself a favour and look it up

[Mr BlueScreen]

Yea, so 360 users get the choice of having to install for a game that can somewhat be just as good as a ps3 or not having an install for the same game so that the same games just sucks compared to the ps3 version.

Whats going to happen to the 360 when you are going to need to install those extra discs on to the hard drive?

[PoorDroids]

and your PS3 will never have the option to run a game as well as 360 with its superior GPU and easier-to-program-for CPU.

[GOTY 2007]

Delusional Droid pwnage up above.

[Boink]

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[Mr BlueScreen]

This looks strangely like the PS3's XMB. Its cool and all but why?

[hahahabutt]

The PS3 XMB and new 360 dashboard look nothin alike..lol

[pshizle]

VISTA switch between windows

[Bladestar]

You obviously never used Media Center....

http://pixblog.members.wini...

which in case you didn't know it was available way before the PS3 came out... it there are some similarities between the PS3 OS and the xbox new UI microsoft was not the one who copied it... they already had it on Media Center.

[vdesai]

Your wrong, I have used mediacenter in my living room since 02 and the new 360 like interface was only introduced in vistas, media center. And clearly before vista's media center the PSX shipped with XMB, but sadly it never sold well. Not that im saying its copied just saying your information is wrong.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

@9.4: You're wrong. The cross media interface has been in Media Center since it launched(Windows Media Center Edition) It is most definately not just since Vista.

It doesn't matter though because the new dashboard looks nothing like the XMB.

[HateBoy]

I think it looks exactly like the "cover flow" system used in iTunes/iPods/iPhones/etc etc etc. Nothing like the xmb.

[chrisnick]

xbox.....still behind.....on ideas that is

[mboojigga]

Dumb a** comments...that don't stick.

[Vecta]

Yes just like how trophies and home are both fresh ideas.

[chrisnick]

jigaboo needs to hop off the t.i.p. of my d!ck .........and uhh...achievements matter how?...and i don't know of any other space like home that's dedicated to games, each game with its own particular room, if there is one i sincerely apologize.....here's a hat for ur avatar...it'll cost u 10 ms points.

[KBDuB]

Well, bro, have fun with home. I'm so jealous that I won't be able to goto my [virtual] friends house. Damn.

But, I'll tell ya what.. I'll play my PS3 for the games, and when I want to goto a friends house, they will actually be real. =)

When is HOME coming out again..?

[PoorDroids]

2018

[KBDuB]

Thanks, I won't be waiting.

[GOTY 2007]

hahaha PS3 is a joke.

[chrisnick]

home's coming out same time as ur balls drop

[vilmer]

I actually like the current dashboard much better. It looks too bare now. The blade system kept it apart from the others, now it looks very similar to them.

[thenickel]

Well just remember that you don't have to switch anything and if you want to keep the old dash board you can.

[vilmer]

Oh, sweet! I didn't know that :) And what's with the disagrees, come on kids.

[xSHROOMZx]

but what is really sweet is now tha old dashboard blade look, will be tha look when you hit tha guide button..... so tha blades arent completely goin away.

[projectile]

I thought you had to update to the new dashboard? They say you don't need to use the new dash because the guide button gives you a new version of the blades menu even if you are ingame. Which is pretty nice!

I really like the installs, finally I don't have to listen to the dvd-drive anymore. When it comes to sound I really envied the ps3 during gameplay, not any more :) (at least when the update is finally here!)

[Reibooi]

This is what makes me wish the Xbox didn't have a retarded hard drive. Wish you could just switch it out for any hard drive like the PS3. Here is hoping they lower the price on the 120 gig drive cause i sure as hell am not paying over a hundred dollars for it. Also love how in the video even over the static noise as soon as the install begins the xbox gets loud as hell.

[NegativeCreepWA]

I wish I could transfer the 26 gigs of content off my 40 gig HDD onto a new HDD without re-downloading everything or using a third storage device(Which I don't have)to transfer the information.

Both have there downsides.

[vdesai]

FYI, You can do that on the PS3. Don't make a fool of yourself by showing that you clearly dont have the other system.

[NegativeCreepWA]

Would you care to explain how you can do that on the PS3. I would seriously like to know if there's another way I can transfer data without having to buy a flash drive or an external hard drive. I've been looking into swapping HDDs lately, but this has been keeping me from doing it.

And the only fool is see hear is you telling me what consoles I own. And also stating I'm wrong without giving any reason for it.

[vdesai]

You cant do that on either console, if you dont have a medium to back up too you wont be able to do it on either. If you are going too take out one drive and put in another you cant copy them on either system. Because there is no magic way too copy one hardrive on the other without a means of transfer.

[NegativeCreepWA]

FYI: When you buy a 120g HDD for the 360 it comes with a transfer cable that allows you to transfer everything from one to the other including your music. Its quick and easy. The way things should be on consoles.

[user858621]

hahahahaha only way to stop it from sounding like a jet engine lmao!!

[CrazyOrange]

I will do it for 2 game im current playing this fall, i cant do it for all need bigger hard driver
still *optional*

[GlossGreen]

What's the point of downloading a game to the hard drive if you still need to insert the disc? I know people will be saying that the game will load faster and all that, but...

What's the point, really?

[vdesai]

No disk spinning = Less noise and less(hmm sounds funny) scratches.

[outlawlife]

you need the disk for authentication...to cut down on piracy

if people just ripped games and ditched the disk, nobody would buy any games

[HateBoy]

Considering a lot of games in the near future will be on several disks on the 360 I'd say its a pretty good idea, supposedly you won't have to change disks in that case. For example when playing Lost Odyssey, XIII, Rage or whatever you'll just install the whole thang and have one disk in the drive. Minus the spinning, which IMO makes it worth it alone...

[Saigon]

This has nothing to do with the disk spinning, because if you watch the video and turn the sound up, you can still hear the 360 go a little crazy.

To get back on topic, MS did this to compinsate for future games. Most games coming out soon will be multi disk. Such as FF13. Rage is another example. Doing this will decrease all the issues devs complained about, but at the same time MS has to still decrease the multi disk fee or have none at all because the game quality issue will still exist.We will see how this plays out, and I wish MS luck.

The only thing I hate about this is that they are forcing people to buy bigger HDD's or a new console. I know its not mandatory, but the situation still exist.

[power of Green]

Your lying, the installed games make no more noise than playing Xbox originals games from the HDD, no game was even shown, where did you see a game being played in this video?.

The most likely reason for installs is the fact MSFT doesn't wan't Sony to have an edge in reviews due to load times, pop-ins etc.

Having an install feature for 20-30 gig "games" according to you; is ridiculous. lol

[SkolarVisari]

The fact that it will load faster is the point. Though this will not really affect game quality since games will still have to actually work without using the HDD because of the core/arcade units.

[GlossGreen]

then I can live without installing the game. Space is not a concern (I have an Elite) I just don't think it's that necessary. The dashboard update does look pretty cool and clean, though. That is something I can get behind. Others will disagree, but that's OK, too.

[Bladestar]

GlossGreen aren't you glad is optional? and it's support for ALL xbox 360 games... the only purpose of this is to reduce loading... and xbox 360 owners have the option of ignoring this features and run it from the disc... or install the games they rather want to speed up loading... I see myself installing games that I play online often...

[kevanio09]

You do realise that the 360 has hard drive required games already? Therefore installs wouldn't be much different, merely reduce your customer base

[IaMs12]

What i like about MS is doing a lot right now is its all Optional for the time being of course.. You do not have to update if you dont want to, or install if you dont want to.. Id like to install favorite games like Oblivion for faster loading, and soon to be Rage... i wonder if you can install disc 2 and play off Disc 1 so there is no swapping?? If not, all well ill swap it, takes 5 secs :)

[elitewh0re]

"i wonder if you can install disc 2 and play off Disc 1 so there is no swapping??"
I too am curious about this, and from what I interpreted from the MajorNelson podcast is that they are working towards this.. still, early days yet.

[vdesai]

yes because you only have too prove you have the game

[IaMs12]

yah i dont mind leaving the game in the drive its just like using a CD key but your literally using the CD lol

but what makes me doubt that is since you need the Disc in the drive wouldnt you have to swap Disc 1 out for Disc 2 then so you can continue as planned lol?

[NegativeCreepWA]

I don't like the look of the new dash. The installs and party system are the only things I'm interested in.

[Gamefan79]

ha ha >do you realize people some games on xbox are 7 or 8 gigs just for one game.How many games do you people expect to install even on the 120.Oh what about your favorite movies.Your 120 will soon be zero.ha ps3 ftw

[Marceles]

Finally I'll have a reason to fill up my Elite other than with old demos, I'm installing all my games

[sovietsoldier]

so what does the install even do other then make games load faster?

[MGRogue2017]

Well, Basically You won't hear any noise from the console's drive.

In other words, It will be as quiet as if you are playing a X360 demo as Nothing is been read from the Disc itself.

[MGRogue2017]

That looks so Awesome. Looks so much better than the old dashboard. Out with the old, In with the New!!

[ThichQuangDuck]

so I can get respectable load times o whatever. But I really wish they would have thought about it more before putting out a 13gig hard drive

[Gamefan79]

the 60 want be 60.It will be 52.Read up on formating drives.

[zonetrooper5]

Well it depends on whether you want to get a 120GB hard drive or 60GB hard drive if that ever comes out in the UK.

[InMyOpinion]

Fallout 3 from the harddrive, less loading times...sweet!

[PoorDroids]

KICK ASS!!!!!!!!

now I finally need to get a bigger harddrive. it's going to be well worth it considering GTA4 looks and runs better on 360 because of its superior GPU.

now because of an installation, no more popin. (even the PS3 has popin LOL, but also runs SUB HD and has no AA and blurrier textures LOL)

[originalrece]

quit fuking lieing to urself to make u feel better
PS3 is better
abox sucks
our graphics way better
keep swapin them disc u bich!!!
and go fuk urself!!!!

[BLUR111]

Yea switching disk is soooo hard I rather wait 10 miniutes to play a game.
installing please wait...............installing please wait.....u droid just wait beyond......installing please wait....

[juuken]

It actually looks nice.

[stevec32]

If this is supposed to reduce loading, it would be good to see him actually load up the game, that way we can see just how fast it loads GTA IV. I've seen it load before at a mates, and it was about one/two pictures faster than the PS3 wierdly, not that I was bothered about having the PS3 version. So with this, it should load SO quick. Be awesome to see, cos I'd love to have Fable 2 loading that quick when I get it!

[rob6021]

Happy now i finally have a good reason for having an elite now, feel sorry for all the people with 20gb systems, that will have to pay ALOT for a bigger hdd if they want to use the feature much. I think this video pretty much confirms the system pretty much copies the whole disk to the hdd, so its going to take up a lot of space for games. I'm sure 6.8gb will be more common than 360 owners would like to think. I think MS has alienated a lot of its fan base here to try to one-up the competition - I mean it just got a lot harder to be content with a 20gb system.

one more thing Is 30% load time even worth it??? Probably not worth $150-$180 for a new 360 HDD.

[elitewh0re]

well the load time will reduce steaming data, so pop-ins become irrelevant, games such as skate, mass effect, lost odyssey and gtaiv will really benefit!

[quiquitos]

i dont think that installing the game will reduce the amount of pop in textures as i think its something to do with the game engine rather than the game being installed or not but still thats what i think please feel free to correct me

[elitewh0re]

Well I can't say for definate either, but It's my understanding that pop-ins is to do with how much data is being displayed versus data being read. For games like mass effect if the texture data was stored locally (on the HDD) then the read time for said data would be conciderably reduced since HDD's transfer data quicker than DVD's streaming, but like I said I'm not 100% sure, I might be completely wrong...

[Rob0g0rilla]

I'm definitely installing skate and Mass Effect.

How do you switch back to the dashboard? I really don't like the new one at all. I don't think I ever will.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

Is to stream all of your content from your Laptop or PC. I have my 360 wired to my Linksys Wireless-N router. So I can stream my videos, pictures & music by "Windows Connection" instead of having it on my HDD. Also I have a 4-port USB block also connected to my 360 in the back. The video streaming works really well. Buffering times are decent when fast-forwarding or rewinding.

[stennexxx]

The xbox sound like a 747. The dashboard is a major rip off from Nintendo. How can anyone be proud of that. The Blade system was ok. Now hardcore Xbots are going to be known as Xiis. I could not live with that. And GTIV looks the same on both system PS3 lighting provides a softer lighting for Tru HD.

[VMAN_01]

HDD installs would be mandatory if there was no Arcade model.

[shamusl93]

listen to that thing SCREAM! (the 360)

[JEDI WOLVERINE]

It makes you wonder what theyve got up their sleeves for the futute - what with optional game installs and such.

And to think alot of people were b*tchin about the 360 having nothing decent to look forward to.

This + Live + AAA games = winning combination.

[TheMART]

Video has been taken down (probably by Microsoft themselves :P)

Anyone with an alternative source to view it?

[B1ueBurner]

The Xbox sounds like 747, and plays smooth like a baby's a$$, The Ps3 is as big as a 747, and is a garbage system. Look, out of 100 million users/buyers of the Ps2, Why is it taking so long for PS3 to sell 20million in a 1year and 1/2 .. oh I got your answer, OVER ALL It F&CKING SUCKS as a gaming system . That's Why over 60 Million of previous users haven't jump to the PS3 yet. Nuff said. DO THE DAMN MATH!

[VMAN_01]

Why people disagreeing with me its the truth.

[Citizen Cook]

Why?

I need to 360 goodness...

[elitewh0re]

yeah I added a alternative source from youtube, maybe microsoft did take the video down, guy's account is deleted too! :S