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Throwdown Ep. 59 – Xbox One or PlayStation 4: Which is Actually “For the Players”?

Tony Polanco from The Koalition writes:

"Earlier this week, Microsoft’s Aaron Greenberg claimed that if people want a system to play games on then the only choice is the Xbox One. Also this week, our good friend Torrence Davis put up a Twitter poll asking his followers which system offered the most value between the Xbox One and PlayStation 4. Both of these events inspired the main topic of this week. Which box is the best box? We break down each systems pros and cons and determine which one is in fact 'for the gamers.'

Other topics we discuss this week:
*Halo 5 releases a ton of stats… except sales numbers.
*Konami says next Metal Gear Solid game will require a “large-scale investment.”
*SNK is done with Pachinko machines and is re-focusing on Video Games
*Activision buys Candy Crush developer, King."

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sammarshall1023123d ago

I'd say based on updates/features like a new UI, backwards compatibility, etc that Microsoft is showing they're for the players right now

Profexxion3123d ago

Whatever the individual player desires more, seek it out. Or get all the consoles.

Majin-vegeta3123d ago

*Snk done with Pachi machines.

Yes than god.Hopefully we can now get a proper Fatal Fury game...and not this crap

https://youtu.be/aBj6k8wX6u...

Kyosuke_Sanada3122d ago

I agree. SNK has tons of heavy hitters in their arsenal that given proper care, they can yield awesome results. One need to look no further than King Of Fighters XIII.

carlosstyles3123d ago

Obviously Microsoft, i sold my ps4 after the last E3.

WeAreLegion3123d ago

The E3 where they showed The Last Guardian again, announced a full Final Fantasy VII remake, and gave us a live demo of Horizon: Zero Dawn, possibly the coolest new IP of the generation?

Are you absolutely sure you had a PS4?

muzikjunkie803123d ago

WeAreLegion

people like you need to realize not everyone is into final fantasy and other rpgs i for one passed up on bloodborne, good looking game but just not my type of game.

horizon looked pretty good but to say its the coolest ip of the generation is pretty far fetched as this generation is only 2 years old and there are lots of games to be announced in the next few years to come, the xbox one has some pretty cool looking games coming in 2016 also but i suppose to ps4 only owners they donr like admitting a rival console can also have cool new ips nothing new on n4g i suppose.

and what do you care if he had a ps4? if he sold it then thats his choice, who are you to question his decision?

as to the headline one simple answer if it plays games regardless of what name is in the box all cosoles are for the players. i own both ps4 and xbox one and both are fantastic machines in their respect. lets put this shite to bed and game on folks

WeAreLegion3122d ago

You think I only own a PS4? I have every system out there and build PC's. I just don't believe this guy.

I think every gamer should have a PS4, XBO, Wii U, and PC right now. There are too many great games on each not to.

What people like you need to understand is we can defend systems without hating other systems. I love this entire industry.

Insomnia_843123d ago

It's a shame we share the same name.

Trekster_Gamer3123d ago

XB1 has much more games, but if you want to see a few extra blades of grass and do not seek the better variety, and larger selection of AAA games then PS4 is for you.

WeAreLegion3123d ago (Edited 3123d ago )

Actually, the PS4 has at least 80 more games than the XBO.

As far as announced games go, it's not even close. We're talking HUNDREDS more.

PS4:
Exclusive = 90
Sony exclusive = 97
Console exclusive = 167
Multiplatform = 438
Total = 812

XBO:
Exclusive = 40
Microsoft exclusive = 9
Console exclusive or timed = 76/27
Multiplatform/TBA = 342/2
Total = 495

This is data off Wikipedia, by the way. If you have a better source, feel free to use it.

NewAgeisHere3122d ago

Don't bother explaining it to him, he's obvioulsy the type that won't let facts get in the way of his delusion. XB1 has more games?April 1st was couple months back:)

PreAtaric3123d ago (Edited 3123d ago )

That has to be a joke...

TripleCs3123d ago (Edited 3123d ago )

Idk why you're lying about the Xbox One having a larger catalog of games than the PS4 but if you really thought the Xbox One is as great as you claim it is then you wouldn't lie about it.

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10 Biggest Xbox Mistakes of All Time (So Far)

The Xbox brand has done a lot of good over the years, but their various blunders are pretty wild to look back on in their magnitude.

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piroh1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

Ironically number 9 can save them at this point (releasing games on multiple platforms)

ChasterMies12h ago

By “save them” you mean make more profit for Microsoft. Xbox will still be a dying hardware platform.

OtterX1d ago

You could add the naming scheme for the consoles, it just confuses customers. I know they wanted to avoid traditional numbering bc it would always be lower than their competitor, but this whole 360 then One then Series thing is confusing af. Imagine a Soccer Mom trying to figure this stuff out. I still mistakenly call the Series X the One from time to time on accident.

RNTody1d ago

Don't forget about the Xbox One, Xbox One X and Xbox Series X! Good luck to Soccer moms around the world.

S2Killinit11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

They did that on purpose to confuse and direct attention away from the generational numbering.

MS doesn’t like reminding people that they joined the industry after others had already been involved in gaming.

For instance, they called the xbox “360” to combat PlayStation “3” because they wanted to seem like “more” than “3”, so instead of xbox 2, they opted for xbox 360. Also this had the additional benefit of selling consoles to uninformed parents who might purchase a “360” instead of a “3” by mistake, or because they thought 360 was more than 3. Kind of a disingenuous move.

They have been continuing with their confusing naming patterns for pretty much the same reasons. Frankly, it fits with who and what they are as a brand.

FinalFantasyFanatic4h ago

I can understand their reasoning, but whoever came up with that naming scheme should be fired, bad naming schemes have killed consoles (I'm pretty sure it was the major reason for the downfall of the WiiU). They should have had unqiue names like Nintendo and Sega have had for their consoles, far less confusing for the consumer.

Cacabunga1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

Phil Spencer is the worst that has happened to Xbox.
They built a respectable brand up to Xbox one. Then this guy took over and things became a joke

Reaper22_19h ago

He still has his job. Something you can't say about Jim Ryan.

Cacabunga18h ago

Both bad execs. One is on job and one thankfully retired.

FinalFantasyFanatic4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

I didn't like either person, both people damaged their respective brands and produced worse outcomes, but Phil did save the Xbox brand from being retired by Microsoft. Although in hindsight, he should have just let it die, rather than languish in limbo like it is now.

bunt-custardly14h ago

Phil Spencer was also on the team back when 360 was around, alongside Shane Kim, Peter Moore etc. I think the damage that did the most harm was the Don Mattrick "Always Online" console (ahead of its time basically). They handed Sony and Nintendo a free-pass when that was revealed. It went downhill from there. Then the corporate machine went into full swing to try and recover. They have to a degree as a games company for the masses, and less so for the core gamer. Outside USA, the Xbox brand does not sell as well as Japanese based consoles (citation needed).

Cacabunga13h ago

Want a decision maker. The always online and TV plans was a disaster yes, but they caught up by announcing 1st party games that gamers actually kept the hype going.. until this moron took over and introduced the PC day one release.. e all know where that ended..

S2Killinit11h ago

I dont think they were ever a respectable brand, not since the beginning, when their goal was never to be involved and share in the gaming space. I think the OG xbox was an exception because MS as a brand was still getting its foot in and so the people behind that were people of the gaming industry.

FinalFantasyFanatic4h ago

The 360 was the brand in its prime though, everything went downhill towards the end of that generation. Its staple games like Halo, Forza and Gears are what kept the console relevant and afloat for so long.

MaximusPrime_22h ago

Really good video.

I remember the days with RRoD was big news on here, N4G.

Microsoft had it turbulence number of years.

Looking at the success of Sea of Thieves despite being 6 years old, time to release Halo, Forza horizon 4 & 5 on PS5. It'll help their revenue

shinoff218319h ago(Edited 19h ago)

2 of the 4 games they did already sold really well. So it's definitely going down. Idk about halo or forza but I feel those studios they've bought in the last 5 years, their coming

ChasterMies15h ago

I found this video painful to watch. Can someone list them out?

Top 10 for me from are:
1. 2013 reveal presentation
2. Bundling Kinect 2 with Xbox One
3. RRoD or why rushing to market with hardware is always a bad idea.
4. Buying studios only to close them.
5. Ads on the Home Screen
6. Letting Halo die.
7. Letting Geard of War die.
8. Every console name
9. Charging for Xbox Live on Xbox 360 when Sony let PS3 players play online for free.
10. Cancelling release of OG Xbox games after the Xbox 360 launched.

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Sony CEO says although AI "has been used for creation," it's "not a substitute for human creativity"

"AI is not a substitute for human creativity. We position it as a technology that supports creativity. Creativity resides in people. We will continue to contribute to people's creativity through technology," the CEO said.

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1nsomniac2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

...not yet but 100% within the next 10 years!

..Then Sony will use it like the drop of a hat. They're no different to the others.

isarai2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

They used to be 😞 sure it was always a business, and money's always the priority, but they used to have a very strong stance on supporting artists and creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" was a phrase they touted a few times back in the ps1-ps3 era, a philosophy carried over from their music branch PlayStation was created from. It's not COMPLETELY gone, but it's barely there compared to what it was back then, i just want them to return to that.

Eonjay1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

I am highly encouraged by their statement about human creativity. "Dont f#@k with the artist" is exactly what they are saying. But at the same time, I don't think people understand that Sony is a corporation. If they don't realize growth, they don't get to exist. When you say 'Sony', you are talking about a bunch of investors. To speak about them any other way is a illogical and incorrect. They haven't changed. They have been a group of investors since they became a public business.

isarai2d ago

Ugh, i really wish people would stop gambling people's livelihoods by turning a project/game into their political soapbox. Im all for statements and having your own opinion, but there's more people working on this than just druckman, ham fisting your political beliefs onto just seems inconsiderate for everyone elses job security when it can result in a failure due to people avoiding it for that reason.

I play games for escape, im so tired of nearly every AAA game blatantly dragging real world issues to shove in my face when I'm trying to take a break from it all. They don't even bother to be subtle about it, quite the opposite, it's blasted and force fed to you and it's just getting exhausting

Einhander19721d 20h ago

People are taking a whole interview and cutting it down to clips that make him look bad and take what he actually was saying out of context. For example he also said things like this AI has "ethical issues we need to address"

-Foxtrot1d 19h ago

@Einhander

Why defend him at this point?

It’s not taking things out of context, he said what he said.

Old ND would never talk about soulless AI taking over so many creative things they are well known for. The whole “ethical issues” is just a good PR spin people who push this crap fall back on to make their statements not seem as bad. So many AI lovers do this.

AI has no place is so many creative based things.

Einhander19721d 20h ago

Well yeah, because everyone else is using it so they need to stay competitive. It's the same as paid online, they didn't want to go that route but their competition was making so much money they needed to add paid online just to keep up.

RaiderNation1d 17h ago (Edited 1d 17h ago )

AI will never replace humans in game development in terms of conceptualizing new games. Humans still need to come up with the ideas and what they want to implement. However much of the day to day menial coding could be AI driven to reduce production time and team size. I could also see AI being used for bug testing/optimization that could lead to better quality games at launch. I'm actually very optimistic about how AI can positively impact game development.

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XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Good statement but hopefully this holds up

NotoriousWhiz1d 18h ago

People that aren't software developers just don't understand the benefits of AI. People who's only exposure to A.I is the Terminator movie and other related sci fi films won't understand the benefits it provides.

It's not about replacing human labor. It's about making human labor easier.

Many years ago, I had laser eye surgery done. It was performed by a robot. The doctor took my measurements and calibrated the machine to make sure it would do what needed be done. And then the robot corrected my vision in 10 seconds.

15 years later and I still have 20/20 vision.

Eonjay1d 18h ago

AI in and of itself is not a 'bad'. Money is bad. Money is evil, and corporations will do whatever they can to get more of it. They will find ways to implement AI to replace as may jobs as possible. This isn't even up for debate. It is the charge of the corporation to maximize returns for the investors. They have no choice. I'm a developer and I know that my job will absolutely be replaced. Therefore, I have decided to become an AI dev. AI has a lot of potential to help us solve problem on a scale most can't even imagine. The issue, as ever is that our monetary system only ever allows us to focus on greed and fiscal growth.

But I am a pragmatist. Perhaps an AI model can be built to help protect us from our most dangerous instincts and habits. And perhaps Congress can pass laws to protect us from people who would use AI to manipulate and control us (spoiler: they wont).

RaiderNation1d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

Progress is inevitable. Nobody driving cars today is complaining that the horse and buggy is no longer around. Yes, some jobs will be lost but guess what? With innovation comes new job opportunities. It's how the cycle of the job market works.

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Microsoft to Add Copilot AI to Video Games

Microsoft recently revealed its plans to incorporate Copilot directly into video games, with Minecraft being the first showcased example.

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Fishy Fingers5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

F*** AI

"Hey Copilot, what's a good meme to prove I dislike AI".... https://giphy.com/clips/sou...

Einhander19725d ago

Two trillion dollar company that just can't wait to put as many people possible out of work as fast as possible.

It feels like every single thing they do is making gaming worse and destroying the industry.

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darthv724d ago

....you know it takes people to program the AI.... right? It isnt like it is sentient. We haven't reach skynet level of situation or anywhere close to the matrix just yet.

That's next Thursday.

Einhander19724d ago (Edited 4d ago )

It takes a people to program the AI then that AI is used for who knows how many games eliminating countless jobs which only grows as AI is used for more and more game creation functions.

What you're saying is so ridiculously short sighted and truly larking any kind of understanding and foresight.

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CaptainFaisal5d ago

Why all the hate? Im actually excited about this! Always wanted this kind of immersion, and an AI companion with me all the time helping me out knowing the status of my skills/inventory/progress and giving me tips on the best approach or how to craft something specific is game changing for the industry.

Hate all you want about AI, but this is just the start and I can see the potential already. You wont be complaining in the next 5-10 years about this, but rather complain if a game hasn’t implemented it.

MrDead4d ago

Yes we can't wait for the work of others to be used without the need to pay them so that MS can profit even more from the people they fire.

I_am_Batman4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

There is no chance I'd ever use something like this, especially if it's not part of the core game design, but a layer on top of it. It's way too much handholding. Many games already feel like busy work, because they don't let the player figure things out on their own. Having a real-time interactive guide defeats the purpose of playing the game in the first place in my opinion.

If this were to become the standard like you predict, we'll see more and more video games get away with bad design, because people will just be used to ask for help from the AI companion anyway.

Number1TailzFan4d ago

Well Nintendo don't need this with some of their games these days, with invincible characters, items, easy bosses etc.. they do the hand holding built in

helicoptergirl4d ago

Takes "hand holding" in games to a whole new level.

BlackDoomAx3d ago

Because human nature xD Almost every new technology had these kind of comments.

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