What Happens If MGS5 Is As Poorly Written As MGS4 or Peace Walker?

We all know MGS5: The Phantom Pain will be fantastic from a gameplay perspective. But what about its story?

[xHeavYx]

MGS 4 was poorly written?? That's news to me.

[nidhogg]

That and peacewalker being told of as "poorly written" is news to me.

[XBLSkull]

I just need a stealth/action game to tie me over until the king Splinter Cell gets its next iteration. This game won't disappoint, I skip the cutscenes anyways, story is the worst part of this series.

[Captain_Wormy]

@XBLSkull

GTFO!

[Normann]

It can be explained very short an precise:

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[Exari]

@xblskull lol dude, you're awful

[AlphaKennyOne]

I think Peace Walker was better than MGS4. I thought MGS4 was great minus the ridiculously long cutscenes and anything involving geckos. I also didn't like that I could only call 2 people on my CODEC. Really? Just two? We can mess with a wide range of frequencies but we can only call two people.

[XboxOneX]

Metal Gear Solid V will be a masterpiece.

Hideo Kojima will be turning in his grave before he lets Konami ruin the Metal Gear franchise.

[PygmelionHunter]

Yeah, well... He'll turn in his grave alright, since Konami is likely to produce more Metal Gear *related* garbage after MGS5.

You wanna know the best part about it? Half the people who say they won't support the franchise without Kojima are still going to buy the damn games like hypocrites. Mark my words.

[Irishguy95]

Ah come on, i'm an anime fan and even MGS4 was too cheesy to handle.

"I am the lighting!!"
Johnny existence was an abomination
Ughh,,, Hal and Naomi's love scenes were cringe worthy. Not like MGS1 or 2, or 3 for that matter. MGS has always been cheesy but **** me 4 was extremely cheese filled panini with cheese rolled on top of it.

Its crazy to me anyway, why people will defend MGS4 when we could have the quality of MGS3 and before back. Never should have encouraged them for MGS4. I just hope MGS5 isn't like this...but to be fair, it doesn't look so cheesy so far.

I mean don't get me wrong, mgs4 didn't "Suck" but damn...it was the poorest of the MGS series storywise

Surely this takes a bit of the cake though
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Irishguy95]

Ohh **** me!

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

XD

[MysticStrummer]

"...it was the poorest of the MGS series storywise"

In your opinion.

In my opinion, MGS4's story is easily better than MGS2's.

[jambola]

"Its crazy to me anyway, why people will defend MGS4"

really? it's that crazy that people defend enjoyed something you didn't? that they liked it enough to defend it? and it shouldn't even be encouraged?

[RedDeadLB]

Metal Gear was always cheesy as hell. I mean, seriously, the entire series is so cheesy it's difficult to say which MGS iteration is cheesier than the other.

[tmh3593]

I agree but towards the end of the game the story got really good I just hated the beginning though. I'd love something like mgs3 the story was awesome and the bosses were the best. Mgs4 bosses just didn't interest me at all just pump enough bullets in them, there wasn't strategy to every boss like in mgs 3. Regardless I'm going to live this game too like all the other games.

[flyingwombat33]

*sigh* I see all your points, and I don't event think you're wrong per se, but I still absolutely love that game. I would agree that the core storyline was the least engrossing of the numbered entries, but there's something about the resignation with which that game was written that I find fascinating. It's almost as if, after being berated for years about answering all the questions of the saga, Kojima aggressively removed all the mystery from his series in a Damn-near self-aware manner. When you play (watch) MGS4, nothing is sacred anymore.

It's a strange game. On the one hand, I see more problems with it (both from a gameplay and story-telling perspective) than any other entry in the series, but I LOVE that game. Somehow, there's so much good in it that I overlook all the bad. I don't think I could pick a favorite in the series (although my least favorite is Peace Walker for sure), all of them are so different and magnificent in their own ways.

[showtimefolks]

I thought both games were well written

[formanbradley]

The nanomachine's nanomachines were interfering with the nanomachines, Snake!

[joab777]

One thing I know for sure, the author of this article suffers from the same bloated writing style as Kojima.

That said. Are ya kidding me? Of course the story is gonna be absurd. Have you ever actually gone through the entire storyline. It lost any semblance of continuity or realism a long time ago. Most younger ppl probably sit in the same shadow cast by Saints Row, oblivious to the original games story and intent. All they know now is MGS4, Peace Walker, and whatever 50 Page reddit guide you can find to try and explain everything up until now.

But that's MGS today. And we are fortunate and unfortunate that it's a sequel. Good b/c it isn't an open ended story that could end w/ Snake becoming a time traveler. Bad b/c it's bookended, so creating a cohesive standalone story and plot may be quite difficult. Hopefully, Ground Zeroes negates the desire to reintroduce everyone to everyone.

There is a huge plus though. It's open world. And while it works against games like TW3, Fallout etc. when trying to tell a gripping linear story, it may be just what this game needs. Instead of playing for an hr and watching cutscenes for an hr, we will be lost in an astonishing world for 100's of hours, building our base, tackling strategic missions.

The story won't be front and center anymore, and that could be the best possible thing. Not b/c I dont love it, but b/c even in a game like TW3 (which has the best questing I've ever played), having a world to get lost in always takes precedence.

[jambola]

I understand why you wouldn't want too much cutscenes, i mean you don't even have the time to finish your words so you clearly don't have the time to sit through cutscenes.

[CDbiggen]

MGS4 poorly written? No.
Peace Walker on the other hand had some of the most cringe inducing dialogue and scenes of the whole series. The focus on Paz and peace. Anything to do with the Sandinistas. The magical, flying, singing, self-drowning machines. It remains my least favourite Metal Gear to this day. Although I loved the mother Base aspect of the game.

[WitWolfy]

Obvious troll article is a troll.

[_-EDMIX-_]

This whole article is some crazy, BS news! LOL!

Poorly written, sure bud......sure. MGS easily is the most craziest storylines I've ever seen in any game period. If anything, MGS is in another class of great game writing that doesn't happen often.

Once you play an MGS game....prepare for every other game's story you play from now on to be lessor lol.

MGS Story line > everything else.

We don't even have a close second to MGS amazing, crazy story arch of clones, family of family, children of, etc lol

Sunny in MGS4 is Olga's daughter, Raiden was told that he had a nano machines in his body that if his heart where to stop, Sunny, Olga's daughter would die.

....this happened lol, yes people...things get THAT WILD in the MGS time line, folks from MG1, have influence in things in MGS4, 5 etc.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie....

You could write a whole game on just 1 of MGS many, many crazy, crazy story arcs. Every time I play an MGS game, I reminded that no other series is even close to such an amazing world as the MGS world.

MGS fans know how amazing those games stories are because....I mean hey they are MGS fans for a reason lol

[McToasty207]

Feel free to read the opening paragraph before commenting as he says MGS4 was poorly written in that it was bloated, which as someone who likes MGS I can totally agree with, having regular 30 minute exposition dumps is shitty writing in any medium. I still like the game a lot (it's an 8.5/10 in my view) but clearly that games narrative needing serious editing or better pacing and when compared to the original MGS or Snake Eater it really stands out as poorly written.

[gamerben]

I think so... MGS4 and MGS2 are the worst in the series story wise.

[daBUSHwhaka]

MGS4 rocked man.Far from poorly written.To this day is still stands tall with the best games I've ever played.

[PygmelionHunter]

It's actually My favorite Metal Gear, let alone one of my favorite video games ever.

Poorly written my buttocks! If anything, it's arguably the best conclusion to a video game saga ever. That goes for both its story and gameplay (which I still find innovative to this day!).

Peace Walker, on the other hand, raises a lot of eyebrows regarding the technology already present at the time when you consider the events of both MG1 and MG2:SS. But aside from that, it's also far from poorly written, it's a rather crazy and unbelievable story, but satisfying for a change of pace.

Peace Walker's gameplay, though? I can only say that I despise the Monster Hunter style mission system in this game, and that's coming from a MH fan, but it simply doesn't fit in...

[DevilOgreFish]

The only thing i thought was poorly written was the whole liquid snake manifesting through a hand, which actually sticks thorough the series. I would have written that Ocelot gotten a fully Prosthetic hand to be like BigBoss. And that Foxhound reconstructed liquid snake like they did with Frank Jaeger.

The rest of the story i thought was great.

[pixelsword]

You realize that ocelot hypnotically induced himself to believe that, don't you? In MGS4, they even had a scene where he snapped out of it for a second.

[DevilOgreFish]

right, but do you agree that bringing back liquid as prosthetic hand was not the best script writing. Kojima even said him self liquid was only brought back through fan reception, if he could he would rewrite some of lore leading from MGS to MGS2.
http://www.gamespot.com/art...
http://www.metalgearinforme...

Do you disagree with kojima's opinion that he couldn't have done better?

[Irishguy95]

Thats just as bad though...

[_-EDMIX-_]

Even though thats explained in MGS4....its still just AMAZING! Its one of those crazy things that MGS only does great.

Classic moment in MGS2 and just very, very Kojima.

[jambola]

If the writing is on par with those then it will be amazing.

[Bigpappy]

It doesn't matter. When fans get locked in to a series, The just buy it automatically. Look how good the demo sold. Normal gamers reject the idea of paying for a demo. But Metal Gear fans are a totally different breed.

[2pacalypsenow]

Yes we are :-)

[_-EDMIX-_]

Demo? MGS Ground Zero is just a small part of MGSV.

Because folks didn't buy Crackdown to play the Halo 3 beta?

Because folks didn't buy Type Zero day 1 edition for FFXV?

You sure bud?

[Tdmd]

If it's as good as mgs4, it'll make me very happy with my purchase. :D

[Sly-Lupin]

*sigh*

Whoever wrote this article is a moron. Kojima fans are absolutely incapable of understanding that good writing and enjoyable writing are not the same thing. Sisyphus had an easier time of't.

[microgenius]

Wow MGS4 poorly written?
that would be the joke of the year
Im waiting for a PS4 remaster of that master piece

[Yui_Suzumiya]

Actually from a gameplay perspective it doesn't look as good as MGS4. Story is the only thing I'm not worried about. MGS was always about being linear and cinematic. I'm afraid some of that magic could be lost due to the open world nature of the game. I won't judge until I play it for myself though.

[2pacalypsenow]

Poorly written? Wtf MGS 4 was a perfect ending to solid snakes saga and the story was great lol
Seems like this was written by one of those people who first heard of MGS after MGs4 and don't understand the saga

[Klonoa-dreamtraveler]

How the hell was MGS4 poorly written? Dude You're embarrassing.

[BinaryMind]

While I wouldn't call MGS4 poorly written, "bloated" is certainly a fair term. Also, hand-waving every supernatural occurance as "nanomachines" was pretty lame.

MGS5 has given every indication from Ground Zeroes and from the few people who have already played much of the campaign that it certainly won't be the bloated story MGS4 was.

[Tony-Red-Grave]

In MGS4s case it had the task of having to tie in every other MGS game in one game while keeping it's own story intact. In that regard I think it did a pretty good job; even though it did feel bloated, without those cutscenes MGS4 would have left a very hollow ending to a saga.

[BattleAxe]

I hope MGS5 is as poorly written as MGS4, especially since MGS4 was one of the best games of last generation :)

[marioJP87]

Because of the article's title, I refuse to click the link to visit the article.

[jznrpg]

The stories were good to me in a video game kind of way.

[F0XHOUND]

Didn't even click the link.... the title was just that bad!

[Shineon]

MGS on Psone was awesome I still remember fighting one of the bosses and hearing my 2nd player controller vibrate. I was like how does this guy know my every move and wth is wrong with my second controller???ooh ok that's clever

[flyingwombat33]

I'm not sure that I get this guy's point... He's afraid of 'blatant fan service', which I understand, but forgets that Peace Walker was comprised of almost ENTIRELY New characters. Sure, technically Miller is a returning character, and the Boss' AI is in there, but that's about it. My main complaint with Peace Walker is that it felt like it fucked up the chronology of the series technology, and honestly, I think that trend with continue in TPP. I don't think there'll be any convincing bend between the tech in mgs 3 and the original, but oh well. So long as the individual stories are well told, it's not a big deal to me.

[TomRL]

It's incredible how wrong a community can be. This is the best critique of the MGS series I've ever read. I'm amazed that out of nowhere in game journalism someone could come out just be totally spot-on about MGS.

[aLiEnViSiToR]

That title makes no sense O_o

[Wedge19]

What happens if this article is as poorly written as its title? There's a difference between poorly written and poorly comprehended. It seems you just failed to comprehend the story that was taking place for all of its nuances.

[Carcosatrill]

Poorly written as opposed to what? Leo fucking Tolstoy, your favorite movie? The brats who still 7 years later whine about long cutscenes or that I couldn't play for a half hour boo hoo. You what I did during those cutscenes? I rolled a blunt, smoked it spanked my girl on her ass and told to pour me a drink. And I enjoyed what it took a bunch of talented people who actually put effort into creating created and I shut the fuck up.

[Tross]

Poorly written? That's news to me, as I enjoyed them both, story and all. Granted, neither is my favourite in the series, but that's just personal opinion. I suppose MGS4 is the only game in the series that doesn't rest on its own merits since you pretty much have to be familiar with at least MGS1-3, but as the quintessential epilogue chapter that's kind of to be expected. Sure, both games have their cheesy moments, but so does the entire MGS series, bearing in mind that MGS2 has to have some of the most cringe-worthy dialogue in the series.

[Gatsu]

It's all opinions in the end. But I personally think every MGS game have been amazing masterpieces with a brilliantly written story. Which is why I'm confident MGSV will be like that too.

[formanbradley]

MGS4 is a good game in hindsight, but the first two playthroughs were epic. Only problem was long cutscenes, and gameplay largely missing after act 3. Of course there is Shadow Moses... with no human guards. And Peace Walker could have had a stellar narrative if they didn't have to dumb it down to a Teen rating. I didn't like the anime cutscenes, but they would have been more tolerable if it wasn't so... childish. I can see them focus testing MGS2 on kids and they don't have any idea what's going on.